Why is it so hard to fight the drug cartels? What could

>continue to allow D. Trump to have his way

it inst lucrative brah

Police are underfunded and infiltrated by the cartels

>>33472237
"legalize weed" -person I have no good or bad opinion on

"legalize all drugs" -crack smoking faggot

Napalm death squads and the installation of the US territory of Mexico. So basically the entire world hating us for real and bankruptcy, since we wouldn't be allowed to loot our new holdings for gold and silver like the last white nation to claim them

>>33472237

>Why is it so hard to fight the drug cartels?
Because they have so much money they literally don't know what to do with it

When you've bought off all the people there to stop you, and kill the rest, it's pretty hard to lose. Even if you can't get some, you have their bosses.

>What could be done to beat them?
It is literally impossible. Even if you magically got the names and locations of each and every single cartel member and killed them all, someone else would just take that opportunity to fill their niche. It's like asking what could be done top stop the mob during alcohol prohibition. Absolutely nothing short of legalization.

>>33472237
Make drugs legal everywhere?

It's hard to say because even the American Italian Mafia still exist. I can't think of an instance where any type of large criminal racketeering organization was cleared out.

You need buy in from the corrupted politicians, bravery from the afraid peoples, and to create enough change where even the cartels reconsider their line of work.

>>33472237
tell the cia to stop helping the cartels

>>33472237

Devalue the peso. Without money, the cartels are nothing, but with it, they could literally buy a modern military a-la Saudi Arabia the moment things get hairy.

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>>33472385
Delete dis.

Pretty much all the same reasons insurgents are hard to fight

>>33472395
>buy T-72
>get shat on by Abrams
>buy MiG 29
>Get shat on by F-35

>>33472237
People are greedy.

>>33472395
They deal in dollars and that would just make Mexico even more attractive to companies wanting to outsource jobs.

>>33472395
My guess is the Cartel is smart enough to not put all of their assets in the Mexican Peso. You'd think they have enough brains to hire a financial consultant.

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What's the biggest factor preventing the police from cracking down on the cartels?

Is it underfunded police?

Is it limits on government getting in the way of the police doing their jobs?

Is it our poor method of waging the war on drugs?

I understand that with things like alcohol and guns restrictions and bans are ineffective or pointless. But surely we don't need to legalize heroin to keep the criminal underworld from gaining power?

>>33472237
>What could be done to beat them?
Legalize all drugs, then flood the market

>>33472546
government brand krokodil
so good it falls off the bone

>>33472569
If the government created their own Desomorphine itd be free from impurities that are the reason for the extreme toxicity of the street form and itd actually be pretty ok use desu.
Short of addiction and all. But no worse than hydrocodone and codeine that are prescribed.

>>33472237
prohibition only drives up prices, and historically has raised purity levels of all street drugs. You cant stop market forces. Legalization and regulation would largely eliminate the cartels source of income. People are going to continue to abuse these drugs no matter what state policies are. By prohibiting their sale and production you are essentially creating a problem that otherwise wouldnt exist. This is basic economics.

>>33472526
Corruption.

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>>33472739
How do we fight corruption?

Target their money. with not money they can't sustain their organized corruption and paramilitary operations. the entire organization implodes due to all the members cutting their loses and finding better employment.

Dictator's handbook is a really great source on various ways of destabilizing and establishing goverments.

>>33472784
take away their money.

>>33472784
Whistleblowers and journalism.

>>33472784
thats a weird fucking brake

>>33472882
could be for demonstration.

>>33472882
>>33472942
blank firing adapter

>>33472395
>Devalue the peso
That'd be a great idea, if it wasn't for the fact even the Mexican cartels don't deal in fucking pesos. USD is like the universal currency of organized crime in the West, and abroad.

Didn't something happen like... They sent special forces after the Cartels and it worked. But then the special forces were like:
>we the cartels now, lel

So the military industrial complex can make money

stop funding them

Legalization and regulation of drugs. The only reason why the War on Drugs is still going on is because govt agencies have to justify their budgets and corruption in politicians. Everyone knows Prohibition failed, so we're going to throw more money at Prohibition 2.0?

Although I honestly wonder what straight-up CIA SAD death squads could do to the cartel. Assuming they wouldn't get corrupted, of course.

>>33472237
They can buy anybody off doesn't matter how much you make, they'll throw a number out that is so high you'd second guess the good Lord himself. It also doesn't help that the US government has a history of selling them weapons.

>>33472395
are you retarded

>>33472237
blow up the particle accelerator, swim in some chemicals, get electrocuted, lie in a coma for 9 months, run Barry run

>>33472382
>It's hard to say because even the American Italian Mafia still exist. I can't think of an instance where any type of large criminal racketeering organization was cleared out.

The FSB sort of succeeded in Russia. Then they just kind of replaced the organised crime with new more official versions.

I'm not sure it's a win but the old networks were/are well suppressed by the FSB.

So if Mexico and the US were to institute state terrorism and become completely totalitarian, it could maybe be done.

>>33472443
>They deal in dollars
I don't think that they could exchange all their dollars even if they wanted to, I'm not sure there are actually enough pesos in existence.

>>33472334
This is basically the answer. Anything else in this thread is wasted.

The only way Mexico can be fixed is from the inside.
Mexico is much more corrupt than the states.
There is no other answer than to fix corruption.
You cannot force it. It has to change from within.
Mexico is in dire need of a revolution.

>>33472784
>How do we fight corruption?
Purge.

>>33472526
Corruption. There really isn't anything else. Its just corruption to the presidential level.

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>>33472455
>You'd think they have enough brains to hire a financial consultant

>>33472694
>By prohibiting their sale and production you are essentially creating a problem that otherwise wouldnt exist. This is basic economics.
Also basic politics.

The War on Drugs criminalises (and disenfranchises) blacks and hippies. Neither vote republican in large numbers.

>>33472830
>Whistleblowers and journalism.
And since this would require legislative, judicial and political support...never. Because we know how much police and politicians love whistleblowers.

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>>33472237
>Why is it so hard to fight the drug cartels? What could be done to beat them?
The proper application of a MacDonald recreation-nuke™

>>33472784
Revolution. There is no other way. Mexico is too far gonne for a "good" candidate. Im not to deep into Mexican government but i understand enough to tell you its corruption on top of corruption. Gov officials are bought worse than here in the states, every mexican president has been slowly selling Mexico off to the highest bidder. Nobody does anything because they cant. Even the Auto Defence groups that took over got destroyed. Mexico needs a revolution.

>>33472825
How?

>>33472830
No. It doesnt even work in America. There is no way it will work in Mexico. Every Mexican already knows how fucked they are. Its not like the states where you can just "vote" as i said before, even the auto defence groups that were acting within the bounds of the Mexican Constitution couldn't do it. Not because of incompetence but because its impossible.

>>33474532
Federals. They sent the federals to whip the police in place. The Federales are pretty fucking badd ass in the first place. After a while; We cartel now

Then they sent the Army to whip the Federals into place. Now the Army has been fighting the cartels since the 70s so they are hardened and even more badass. After a while; We cartel now.

So now they had a clusterfuck of police federals and army socializing and becoming friends and eventually part of the cartel.

It got to the point that an army patrol could pull you over and rape your girlfriend. Since they were pretty much cartel.

>>33472237

Legalize and regulate all drugs.

Have actual, honest to god, research done on the actual effects of drugs on humans. Not "reefer madness you'll kill your entire family if you smoke a single marijuana" bullshit, real research.

If the drugs are as or less harmful than alcohol, 21 years of age to consume. Anything that is illegal with alcohol is illegal with marijuana/shrooms/ecstasy etc. Places that sell it need a license. Producers need a license.

More harmful than alcohol or has very high addiction rates, needs a be a special establishment. The owners can make it look like a club or a lounge, but it needs nurses on staff to care for people, just in case. Taxes on these drugs will pay for treatment and thearapy for those who become addicted. Of the drug is especially harmful you get a sort of set of ration tickets or a card with a certain number of doses. Yes, you can shoot up heroin and chill in a nice lounge or whatever, but only so often so as to not develop addiction.

Adding taxes to things will still allow a black market to exist. However, this would be such a massive blow to the cartels that they would be more unable to fund literal armies and would be easier to mop up.

Watch a documentary, killing escobar or something similar, a group called Los Pepes (not even memeing). Vigilante paramilitary group who may or may not have been secretly funded by the police who went after anyone and everyone associated with the cartels and their families, basically utilizing cartel-like terrorism.

>>33472237
beat them? well...as somebody who lives in a narcotic saturated area of the south and has generated revenue through the production and distribution of controlled substances at one point in time, we would have to:
-domestically produce a quota of raw coca equivalent to or higher than that being grown in south america. This eliminates the need for a middle man (cartels) and creates a domestic and internal supply of base cocaine after semi-synthetic manufacture.
-produce more raw amphetamine and methamphetamine within the confines of the US, outproducing the ~93% pure icebeing put out by Mexico.
-Their pot is trash anyways and we grow more...no problems there.
-Massive production quantities of raw opium for illicit synthesis into heroin and other opiate bases.
-decreased regulation of pharmaceutical standards and output.

None of this will ever be accomplished. Coca does not grow well in our climate and altitude. neither does poppy. Backyard shake and bake domestic methamphetamine will never reach a purity level anywhere near 90%. Pharmacies are going in the exact opposite of lassiez faire standards and regulations are tightening by the month with the US prescription medication epidemic ravaging the nation.

TL;DR- they've already won and there is no reversal.

Legalizing drugs won't stop them. Sure it may hurt, but they are also in the business in running guns, protection, sex slaves, and owning legitimate businesses to hide their enterprises. Drugs are only a piece of the pie. With these assholes.

Ms13 has like thousands of members internationally. Do you think that's going away if some sandal wearing late sipping college hipsters legalize weed?
>>33475462
Interedasting...I wonder what the /pol/ propaganda machine could stir up in a "make mexico great again" revolution movement.

>>33472237
Just legalize all drugs. Cartels will dissolve as profits pummel.

a tarantula

>>33475509
Nothing, /pol/ would get behind it but ultimately it comes down to *drumroll* money.
Money how?
Revolutions aren't free. Revolutions cost money. Mexian rebels will needs outside financial and military help. Which of course nobody will help for free. Which will lead to more corruption.

Under the mexican construction it is legal for a town or city to secede if 80 or so percent of the native populus votes to.

This is how the auto defense groups started in mexico. They kept expanding effectively bringing drug crimes down. The problem was they were mostly peasants with grudges and shotguns. That is not an effective way to win. When the Army came to reclaim the towns (which is unconstitutional) there was nothing they could do so they gave in to a compromise to make them police officers and disband.. Simple as that. If they had money and resources they could arm themselves better and actually stand a chance.
Mexicans can be a forced to be reckoned with. They value strength in unity, shit their motto is "yes we can" (obama stole it) and (the town united will never be defeated) if one town secedes the rest will follow. But without financial help and organization they will fall again.

Now if /k/ decided to help with a couple dozen cheeky breeky ready /k/omandos and a solid truckload of ammo, weapons and a billionaire that wanted to donate some money then we actually have something.

>>33472382
If the mafia acted like the cartels do we would at least have the option or taking real action since it's own our soil. Can't exactly invade mexico.unless it finally got so shit that we could claim it posed a real threat to us.

If only Mexico would get back into yearly revolutions like they used to back in the day. Granted Mexico is just where the traffic happens and isn't the root of the problem

Legalize, tax, and regulate drugs. Cartel money will dry up when they can no longer compete with safer, cheaper, legal drugs. Yeah, you don't legalize Russian Krokodil, but you don't need to when safe opiates exist.

Spend hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars to ship Federal agents into sovereign nations for the purpose of waging war with connected criminal organizations.

Or, we DON'T do that, and instead we quarantine and control their entrance into America through those same domestic Federal agencies whilst allowing said sovereign nations to deal with their own fucking problems.

>annex mexico
>have army walk north to south, hand in hand lord of the flies style
>push everyone out of mexico
>build a wall between mexico and guatemala
>turn mexico into empty buffer zone where americans go to vacation
>????
>profit!

>implying the DEA wants to defeat the only reason for its existence

>>33476553
>implying the DEA only handles South American import drug cases
Lol, no
There are enough methlabs all across the U.S. to keep them busy.

Would be nice to see them folded back into the FBI along with the ATF though.

They own too much of the police force and government to have any serious action brought against them.
The people are too afraid of having their entire family hunted down, captured, tortured, raped, mutilated, and murdered to do anything vigilante.
The culture of criminal life is too ingrained in society, every little down trodden kid sees cartels living the high life and wants to be like that. Even if you had a magic button that would just kill every cartel member at once, the residual concept of the cartel life would still cause the kids today to get into it and carry on.

Corruption can be combated by having a constant turnover in places of power. If they have to keep buying off the new guy every few years, they would have to spend more and there's always the possibility of someone with some integrity refusing to be bought out. Even if they murder them until they get someone weak willed enough, they would still be drawing attention and making the corruption really obvious.

But the fear of what the cartels will do and the draw of their way of life would be a hell of a lot harder to deal with.

>>33472526
Two things: Corruption and Human Rights Watch.

The main problem is that people in the USA and Europe can't stop putting it up their nose.

Legalize drugs and stop the idiocy that is fitting drug cartels. Use the money you previously wasted on enforcement to actually treat drug addicts instead of wasting even more money sending them to prison and making it so they can't get a job and are more likely to turn back to dugs when they get out.

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Okay anons, if you were gonna go vigilante on the cartels how would you do it?

>>33472295
>Spain/France
>white

>>33478579
>Acquire silencer
>spend my weekend assassinating their US gang members
>pretty much just fuck their shit up punisher style

>>33477642
just make it so they cant get back out

>>33472237
>what could be done to defeat them?

Stop doing drugs.

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>>33475509
Well, legalize all the things

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>>33478579
Find their leaders and mutilate, torture and decapite them
You know, cartel style

Why can't everyone merely stop doing drugs and go straight edge? Weed kills your balls.

>>33472237
So we send in a group of three will be completely retarded while also being deaf, dumb, and blind. The fourth one will be salt personified. Then these four guys will work with some rebel group made up of old men, druggies, and other suicidal fucks to free the countries from the cartel.

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>>33478579
>acquire Frogfoot
>get some chucklefucks to do intel work for me
>proceed to blast the ever-living shit out of their assets, slav style
I'd operate out of a fortified platform off of the Mexican coast sitting in international waters. To ensure my continued existence I'd develop an all-terrain nuclear delivery platform to ensure peace through deterrence.

>>33480621
easier said than done, those leaders that are captured or killed is because the cartel gave them up to the government either for protection or favors, el chapo was turned in by his own cartel just so they can get off the constant government pressure in its territory due to the intensive search for him. el mayo zambada for example is rumored to be hidden in a fortified bunker deep in sinaloan mountain ranges or el mencho from the new generation cartel is known to be constantly on the move and protected by up to 700 men at all times. good luck getting to them without an army at your back

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Short of legalizing all drugs, there is another option for whittling away at cartel funds and manpower.

>Amnesty for all crimes committed
>no requirement to rat on colleagues
>no direct taxation of wealth accrued - all your offshore accounts and hard cash are instantly legal and can enter the normal banking system without impediment of any kind
>only condition is that 25% of your wealth go into a legitimate business venture
>You can become a venture capitalist, open Pollo Loco franchises, whatever the fuck you want so long as it somehow employs people and you own it
>this amnesty period lasts for two years- enough time for people to see Cartelieros getting out of the game
>the amnesty period coincides with a massive military/LE push to kill Cartelieros

It might just work. If enough are killed by military/LE or their rivals, you get a high incentive to get out of the game.

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>>33475485
-domestically produce a quota of raw coca equivalent to or higher than that being grown in south america. This eliminates the need for a middle man (cartels) and creates a domestic and internal supply of base cocaine after semi-synthetic manufacture.
>take E. coca plants
>apply A. rhizogenes to induce undifferentiated cell growth
>sequence DNA of cells exposed to auxin, salicylic acid, etc. to see what prompts production of tropane alkaloids
>isolate various DNA strands expressed only in cell cultures producing the most tropane alkaloids
>stick that into green algae cells via bb gun plant genetic engineering
>see which algae cultures also produce tropane alkaloids
BAM
>algae that shits out cocaine
>ultrasonicate to break cell walls (better than weed whackers)
>produce in continuous flow process
>domestic cocaine production on a massive scale is now possible

-produce more raw amphetamine and methamphetamine within the confines of the US, outproducing the ~93% pure ice being put out by Mexico.
>bioreactors with yeast and benzaldehyde eating dextrose
>produce tons of pseudoephedrine in underground bioreactor factories
>synthesize meth without need for many precursors
>distribute

Solved two of them. What do I win?

>>33472237

If were Trump™ I would use the CIA start/fund/arm/train/direct a revolution and install a puppet state, reform the country for US economic benefit and put it on track to officially become a US territory.

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Stop buying drugs

Same way they fought anti-prohibition "entrepreneurs". Decriminalization, regulation and taxation forcing them to go legit. Killing customers and rivals is bad business in the legitimate business world, and the guys in charge of the cartels are, at their cores, businessmen.

>>33480974
>The President
>Able to tell the CIA what to do
Sure he's physically able to do it, but it's hard to be President when you're impeached or dead.

>>33472237
>Why is it so hard to fight the drug cartels
Same reason it's hard to fight arabs and gooks. Every combatant is claimed to be a non-combatant.

>What could be done to beat them?
Kill them.

>>33481031
why would people disobeying the law start obeying the law just to pay taxes on what they illegally trade? Decriminalization only helps the junkies.

>>33481058

surely CIA would jump at opportunity to make puppet state out of southern neighbors, yes?

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>>33475473
I think you are talking about the Zetas Cartel, who were mexican Commandos hired by a cartel and then they became a new cartel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Zetas

>>33475462
A revolution will not change anything.

>>33481189
>A revolution will not change anything.
It would change their constitution into something less france tier.

>>33481198
That is not a change. A revolution would just cement cartel power, removing the government middle man.

>>33472237
Not have a massive market for drugs

>>33472237
Execute drug dealers and users.

Agent Orange, lots of it

They have too much money, those who they can't bride, they pay to have killed, without an external force its near impossible to rid yourselves of them

>>33472237
Americanize their gun laws, castle doctrine/stand your ground to the fullest, harsher penalties, all will discourage cartels from harassing people. Serious military/paramilitary action to wipe out drug crops and labs and capture farmers/cooks/chemists to stop the supply at its source and to capture or kill persons in key command and commerce positions within cartels to destabilize and disorganize as well as cut off business connections, and cooperation with US officials to ensure that cartel members and associates cannot escape across the border in either direction, will be handed over to their appropriate governments and cannot conduct effective business across the border. But the inherent problem in all this is that it requires a government and government officials to actually DO something about a problem, in the best interests of the common man, rather than bathe in vaults filled with bribe money and blow smoke up everyone's ass about how they're tooootally making an effort to fix this you guys.

>>33481065
Because obeying the law and dealing weed legally is easier and safer, both physically and financially. It removes the risks to life and limb associated with police fuckery, you end up being able to make and sell more because you don't need to keep shit on the DL, you can have whole farms set aside for it out in the open instead of growing innawoods or in Juan's basement, with better equipment and more employees, fuck, you can even advertise, sell for medicinal purposes (and of course charge extra fees, naturally associated with these specialized types of marijuana) as well as recreational (and charge more for premium brands or strains). It's also much easier to have a set place of business, either as a dispensary or as some sort of awesome weed bar, the latter of which could make more money by selling munchies and renting out entertainment devices. Even after taxes and license fees and whatever else, they stand to make more and do it easier and safer.

>>33472546

>Legalize all drugs

You want to know how I know you've never had to deal with junkies?

>>33482669
So?

>>33472784
A coup. Look at the roaches in turkey

>>33472286
Fucking this. Even the fucking DEA is smashing underage prostitutes sent by the cartel.

>>33472237
The "War on Drugs" / Cartel employs too many people for it to end.

>>33475407
They don't need to you dumb retard. If you buy things abroad you do it in dollars, if you buy things locally, you either do it in dollars too or just exchange a small amount to pesos if necessary.

Seriously, do you not have common sense?

>>33475481
Los Pepes was cartel.

>>33472237
It's a police problem, not a military one.

They operate in areas with shitty, shitty police.

The End.

>>33472237
>what could be done to beat them?
Absolutely positively god damn nothing. As long as the human species is alive we will be consuming drugs. Even in things like post apocalyptic fiction like mad max and fallout drugs still play a major factor in society. So as long as people consume drugs there will always be organizations dedicated to the manufacture and sale of drugs.

>>33483389
Unless you legalize them and those organizations become limited liability corporations, and the cartels go out of business because they can't make any profit.

>>33477267
This.

A lot of you fags underestimate this.

>>33478698
Dumb burger doesn't know anything about genetics.

>>33479840
Just make it so they stop existing.

>>33482296
You don't seem to understand.

They can already do whatever the fuck they want, they aren't worried about the police, or the government, they ARE the police and the government. They have millions of employees in many different countries, cartels are big organized mafias that work with other criminal groups, they are way more powerful than you seem to imagine.

The US prohibition of alcohol was a completely different situation and everyone who keeps comparing them is fucking retarded.

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>>33472526
It's because the cartels provide stability and money to those who work for them and Mexico is largely bereft of the two. The only ways to counter that are to magically make Mexico a stable, prosperous, and relatively corruption-free society or to inflict such violence upon the cartels that it isn't worth joining. Neither of those is going to happen.

>But surely we don't need to legalize heroin
Legalizing opiates doesn't work. We know this because other nations have already opened up that can of worms for us. Wars have been fought over it.

>>33472237

Cartels are difficult to deal with because of corruption(from illegal activity being a very profitable business) and due process

Corruption

>>33472237
>make their product legal and regulated
Oh wow where did their power base and income go? Where did all this extra money come from?

>>33472455
http://www.businessinsider.com/pablo-escobar-and-rubber-bands-2015-9

>>33472374
seventh post best post

>>33472784
With corruption

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>>33472237
>What could be done to beat them?

Nuke Mexico! It did wonders for Japan

>>33481151
That picture is actually from Brazil.

The guy killed a drug dealers brother. In revenge, the dealer stuck him with a knife for every year of his brothers life.

>>33485798
>>33485802
>>33485804

If there is money like to be made, virtually anyone would choose to be a Narco.

>>33473894
It's not gay if he wears a dress right? https://youtu.be/f9ldOlKrNVI

>>33472237
Stop buying drugs you junkie Americans.

>>33485829
>No piston system
>No AR Buffer Tube
>Battery plug sticking out.

I had that same shitty AEG Airsoft gun as a kid too...

>>33472237
>What could be done to beat them?
Legalize the drug they sell.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=888qHoAO-O4

>>33472287
What's wrong with legalizing all drugs? How about run a poll on your Facebook asking them if crack rock was legal if they would try it?

I swear you nanny state dick suckers are the most retarded bunch of humans to ever live.

"Hey we did a thing and it didn't work, better keep fucking doing it."

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>>33485835

>>33472256

>wall will be a porous joke
>slashing Coasties budget to try to pay for it
>no cross border co-operation with Mexico anymore

For sure bro.

>>33481189
This honestly... Certain cultures or races depending on how PC you are, are incapable of electing any politician other then the one who promises the most gibs.

>>33482669

You think prohibition is making less of them? You're fucking retarded.

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gotta use the right tool for the job.

>>33472237
the mexican mind is tolerant of corruption

>>33483580

Free heroin w/ prescription for addicts, administered with a clean needle under the supervision of a nurse in a depressing clinic where absolutely no impressionable youth will want to be.

Cheap as fuck, clean as fuck. Reduces disease transmission, property crime, OD's, and excessive abuse on the part of the user. Puts addicts in contact with the right people to help them get clean, but the reality is that most of them don't/won't.

When you stack it against the cost of court, police, prison facilities/staff, HIV treatment...

>>33485927
>help them get clean, but the reality is that most of them don't/won't.

Truth.

>>33485818
>Thought it was aregularguy90 from thumb
>cosmic eternal precringe
>realize it's Machine Gun Mike

Nice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqXJz_5aD84

>>33485873

I'm going to go out on a limb and say you know sweet fuck all about Mexican politics. Shit's pretty conservative. Catholic, patriarchal, business oriented. Not to mention they're literally fighting a war in their streets right now to keep the cartels in their place.

But ya for sure, you're super perceptive, brown people in Mexico are democrat CGI creations made to vote 12 times for Obama, or whatever.

>>33485979
Cosigning this.

>What could be done to beat them?
You mean short of disbanding CIA, DEA and ATF? Not much.

The problem is, to purge the Cartels you have to be willing to get your hands dirty, and that simply isn't feasible in the modern world. Even if by some miraculous coincidence Mexico managed to get a government that wasn't literally run by the drug syndicates, the reality of a military purge of undesirables would be all over global news. Look at how the media treats Robert Duerte, he's not even one tenth as harsh as the Mexican government and military would need to be to excise the Cartels and he gets treated like he's literally the devil and Hitler combined.

On top of that, you've got the reality that the CIA and alphabet agencies are all balls deep in the Mexican drug game because they're basically cartels themselves now. Really the only way for it to end is large-scale external interference from a foreign military, literally treating the cartels like ISIS and bombing the shit out of them. But that won't even happen for the same reason Mexico can't fix it.

>>33486002
Get your head out of your ass.

>>33486013
First part- Fine.

Second part- The ramblings of a crack smoker.

>>33486013
Flipfag here, I just like Duterte's leadership, but my problem involves more of his supporters trying to be as edgy as him but end up looking like some 13 year old's Xbox chat. Mind me, these are people who hold public office.

That's free speech, but still. At least the president accepts criticism a bit more openly than his impromptu internet defense force.

>>33472237
Legalise all this shit lol

>>33481189
You dont know what you are talking about. The auto defence groups were doing just fine. With proper backing mexico can revolt. Mexico has so much potential for greatness.

>>33481198
The mexican constitution is already being violated by its own government. A revolution would be to purge every politician and institute and enforce true mexican constitution while trying to keep corruption down. (Easyer said than done) but there is nothing else anyone can do.

>>33481289
Again doesn't know what you are talking about, the auto defence groups were doing okay at least. if they had the right backing they could of done a lot more and better.

>>33482086
So in other words, fix corruption.

>>33485873
If you dont know anything about the topic, do yourself a favor and keep it to yourself. You just look retarded to everyone.

>>33485923
>i dont know anything about anything but im going to throw out opinions anyways.

>>33472237
what helmet

>>33485798
>>33485802
>>33485804
*yoink*

>>33472237
Nothing

>>33472237
Take away their market. Decriminalize drugs in the USA so they can't make these huge profits.

>>33485843
t. junkie

Shouldn't you be sucking cock to earn your next fix right now?

>>33483317
>They don't need to you dumb retard
I'm aware.

I was just saying that I don't think that they could actually exchange their currency if they wanted to, the banks probably couldn't source that much currency.

>>33472237
Legalize drugs and the corporations will destroy them.

Hippy heads will implode, wetbacks will go out of business, cartels won't have the power to hurt Americans.

Legalize drugs

>>33483084
>DEA is smashing underage prostitutes sent by the cartel
Where can I join?

>>33480960
Nigga, you ain't done shit but science babble. Use that nerd talk and then you get something.

>>33483561
If that's the way it's always been and the methods we've always used aren't effective then why should we double down on what we already fail at instead of trying something different.

>>33472286
Infiltrated maybe, but the system and police already make a ton of money off drug enforcement but you want to give them even more money to be ineffective? Spotted the leftist.

>>33472237
Imagine you belonged to a race of landscapers and fruit-pickers. Now try to solve any national security issue without fucking it up.

>>33486035
>impromptu
they're literally paid

>>33472237
Have police and mil. doing the same things cartels do to their victims. Nobody what's to be a drug lord if it gives the US Govt. permission to peel all the skin off your face and then dissolve you in acid

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killing cartels is useless.

the cartels always reforms, the cartel always revives, it's not just a few groups of people acting like savages, it's how things work when poverty is the only other option. The business is profitable, the business gives them power over a careless, corrupt country, the business is always there. The common Mexican serf abhors the cruelty and brutality but will turn a blind eye to how it benefits him, how it's intrinsic to their culture. Cartel members rationalize it, they do it for their family, their towns and their identity.

you can't just kill the cartels in a place where only cartel crime can overcome the rooted corruption, thievery, poverty, mediocrity and disilusion with education and work and the state and even god. The entire Mexican people need to be treated by shock. They need to see their little towns razed and there being nothing left. They need to feel the compulsive, gut hatred and terror of true devastation.

>>33472784
Communism.

>>33472526
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG4mSZaKrho

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>>33472237
>Why is it so hard to fight the drug cartels?
The line between them and the "legitimate" Mexican government is non-existent.
>What could be done to beat them?
James K. /pol//k/ had the right idea.
Only kidding, not worth it, but it does seem to be approaching a point to me in which Mexico is approaching a failed state so fast we might have to invade and stabilize soon.

>>33481898

This. De-foliate all of Mexico, Columbia and any other major drug producing country. Then build the wall.

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>>33472237
Atomic weapons

>>33472237
legalize drugs.

dude look at the prohibition of alcohol.

i seriously for the life of me cannot understand the level of stupidity of people who cant see the solution 2 fucking feet in front of their face

>>33472374
>>33472546

/thread

>>33482669
you have interacted with junkies that have full time jobs and families.

>this is the problem, everyone thinks all users are burnout junkies, when like 95% of them look and act, completely square

>>33489240
yea until they die of an overdose prematurely

>>33489331

lol

do you live inside a 1950s PSA video or something?

>>33486149

>Mexico has so much potential for greatness.

Mexico's average IQ is around 88. They will always be a corrupt, third world shithole.

>>33489240
More like 90% of them function at the edge of society with dead-end jobs and no real dignity in their life and if they have kids they will probably abuse them. The myth of the completely normal junkie is just that.

Mexico will only fix itself when it legalizes guns or can no longer enforce the ban on guns. The cartel has guns and the only time militias against a cartel has guns is when they are backed by another cartel. If everyone had guns, then the cartels would drop dead almost instantly. I kind of suspect that the Mexican government knows this. Finally, there is no excuse for lack of gun ownership because the need for self protection is evident.

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>>33486526
>prohibit things I don't like!!!

Where have I heard this before?

>>33472237

The only way to stop the drug cartels is to create a society of people who have no desire to use the drugs.

Never met a well-adjusted drug addict. They are universally broken people. Bring back traditional values with ethnic homogenous high-trust societies. Bring back religion and morality. This will fix not only the drugs problem, but just about every ailment in society.

>>33489627

>people never used drugs before because everyone went to church

You must be high.

>>33489493
>>33489627
>>33489331

Prohibition makes that stuff worse, not better. A lot of the worst pitfalls of addiction are imposed or exacerbated by the law.

>drugs are dirtier, harder to quantify, worse for you
>get caught up in legal system, become unable to work at anything decent
>Almost guaranteed to reoffend via possession, so you spend the bulk of your life in the legal system despite not doing anything criminal to anyone else


No one who's sober now would start taking drugs just because they became legal. Nor do people avoid/quit because of the law.

>>33485928
I know where that is at in South Florida lol

Why is it so hard to fight pharmaceutical companies? Their drugs kill hundreds of thousands, and bankrupt the deprived!

And what can be done to make American police and military real men? All they do is bully and undeveloped third world humans that have no chance of winning!


Oh, the humanity...
Stop using my tax dollars to fight a war against fucking VEGETATION. Plants are not that severe. It's costed citizens TRILLIONS so you can put plantation workers earning pennies a day out of work.

Whatever the fuck you're doing, it is NOT HELPING ANYONE.

Besides, drugs are just candy for adults. Kinda like how chicken alfredo is Mac n Cheese for adults. Quit ruining everyones good time!

Focus on safety and improving the lives of the poor people harvesting and processing the drug lords crops. They earn dollars but get paid pennies while the drug lord earns pennies and gets pair millions.

Go watch a documentary. The people harvesting opium and cocaine are half starved and living in shacks you can't even call a home.

>>33472237
It's not hard to defeat them, the pussy leftists are the ones holding us back. All you hAve to do is kill every cartel member and their families. Done, no more cartel.

>>33472237
>step 1 - legalize drugs, but only when administered at designated clinics
>step 2 - incentivize private companies to run and/or sponsor clinically administered drug facilities with massive tax breaks
>step 3 - incentivize insurance companies to drop their premiums for covering drug clinics with massive tax breaks
>step 4 - cartel goes out of business because their customers prefer clean drugs administered in a safe environment
>step 5 - private company profits from customer revenue and government tax breaks

>>33489882

You're a genius dude nobody ever thought of that

>>33489882

>get sanctioned by the entire UN
>pay billions in restitution because ALL of humanity is literally related
>international backlash and hatred, every embassy burned, every anti-american sentimented organization has its day

>>33489627

>i-if I never had to see any black people things would be perfect!!!!

thanks for the enlightening take, alt-retard

>>33489991

Not an argument.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=VTROCGb5qj8

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>>33489240
They're easy to spot because they don't drink and don't smoke marijuana.

Most associated with laying on the couch watching TV or listening to radio news.

>>33485900
Is that a fucking USAS-12?

>>33489692
Is drug use less prevalent now than in the past? Plenty of studies on it.

>>33489736
Wasn't arguing for prohibition, rather a society of people with character strong enough to have no desire in doing drugs. There is nothing positive about drug use. There are no people better off by recreationally using drugs.

>>33489991
There is no multicultural nation on earth that comes even close to the productivity and happiness of ethnically homogenous ones. This isn't an opinion, it's available statistics if you'd like to read into it.

>>33489897
>incentivize
Thats where you lost me

You have to be a massive fucking retard to think you can just legalize drugs and be done with it.

Who will start making the legal drugs now? the same fucking cartels. Do you think they will just stop being thugs and become upstanding enterpreneurs? that they will play nicely? we live in a world in which you can't trust fucking food not to be hideously unhealthy and addictive, because corporations are NOT good at following the law, especially when they have a chance to legally defend themselves and constantly lobby and find exploits in the system to perpetuate their income and maximize their profits. We already have a glimpse of what happens when the health sector profits from drugs.

Legal recreational narcotics will be worse than Monsato, big pharmaceutics, fast food and cable companies put together. They will be a blight upon society.

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Send in the Ghosts

>just legalize drugs

wow you are so smart. its not as though these cartels dont control all corporations and natural resources as well. maybe if i google extortion ill realize that as long as the cartels have competent gunmen, they will run mexico.

>>33475481
Well, really they got rid of the cartel, then became the cartel, solved nothing.

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>What could be done to beat them?

Find every 20 something year old American female, the average drug user, and kill the fuck out of them in front of their friends to serve as an example. No society has the balls to do this. Not only that, these slags face no jail time ever.

Since the cartels consumer base is left alone, they will continue to succeed.

>>33485873
Most people vote based on what the person they're voting for will give them, dumb ass.

>>33490423

Then you'd get a massive rise in carjackings

>>33490423
spooks are shot on sight

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mexico-shooting-idUSBRE87S19K20120830

Four of five heroin users began with OxyContin and similar painkillers, and with the approval of OxyContin for children between 11 and 16, the intrigue surrounding this diabolical scheme is still unfolding.

The Western cure to this plague is the patent medicine of Doctor Goebbels: we must treat the underlying cause of our nation’s stress, rather than its external manifestations.

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>>33490575
>>33490460
If you simply kill the drug user, they cannot buy the drugs

Duterte knew this.

These drug obsessed women need to be dealt with.

>>33472237
Make better drugs
Like that australian dude did

>>33490595
Who?

>>33490608
Matt Bowen
but he labs closed now only Chinese still make and sell that stuff

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>>33485867
>no cross border co-operation with Mexico anymore
Because we wish to secure our borders better? Yeah, wouldn't want the gov. to lose that dirty money, huh?

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>>33490512
>Oompa loompas expend "hundreds of bullets"
>two non-critically injured CIA
>Beaner police acting like gangsters
Can we just invade Mexico again, guys?

>>33491119
Isn't bane supposed to be Hispanic

>>33491880
Yeah. From Not-Costa Rica or something.

>>33491042

Are you retarded? If you can't work with Mexico, you can't bust anyone on their side of the border, get far less intel on cartel... It's just fucking dumb.

>>33487075

thinking things in "left vs. right" still

lmao'ing at your life

>>33490342
Yes.

>>33489925
Fuck those haters, they're not the ones with drugs destroying their countries every day

>>33472237

make drugs legal so they arent cool anymore

>>33472237
its not difficult
legalize drugs

but then they'd probably run prostitution and human trafficking in which case you just have a ton of undercover buying prostitutes and then rescuing them movie hero style.

>>33472237
the laws of supply and demand

>>33486526
You're a fucking idiot. Take a second to look at the decrease in overall drug consumption in countries who have legalized drugs. Also, if drugs were regulated and heck, taxed, what would most of the drug cartels do? Think of what we could do with the revenues earned from taxing drugs? We could potentially buy your dim-whitted redneck ass a brain.

>>33482669
Do you think the laws prevent consumption? Sorry to ruin the surprise but no law will prevent a junkie from anything. Ever. I don't know what makes me angrier; the thought of billions of dollars being used to wage a "war on drugs", or idiot pleabs like you who think you can tell people to kick their habit because you don't agree with it. And before you reply with " t. Junkie", I've never touched any of that shit because I can formulate good decisions without government guidance. It's pathetic that you all rely on a government to dictate right vs wrong for you. You guys must be fucking liberal Democrats who want the government to do everything for you. Fucking pathetic losers.

>>33472237
Its not wanted. Drugs are needed as a source of money to fund black operations.

You have to stop thinking of the Cartel as a cartel and start thinking about it as the actual country.

The cartel IS mexico, their gunmen ARE their military, they are equipped enough and numerous enough to probably take on a large african country

That's why the only solution is a military one

Imo the cartels are on par with ISIS, and we bomb the shit out of ISIS so why not them?

>>33496012
If the US starts bombing Mexico the borders will be flooded with ppl fleeing into the US

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>>33492077
There is no incentive to ending the War on Drugs because so many of the parties involved make money off of it. We make no progress because no one wants to for fear of losing their jobs or being forced to work on hard problems like human trafficking and sexual slavery. With the War on Drugs we are throwing money into a hole and then buying shovels with what's left in the hope of digging the hole deep enough that we come out the other side to retrieve it. I don't see the wisdom in giving more money to agencies to fight a disease that those agencies aren't fixing either out of disinterest, incompetence or malice.

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The cartels could be ended overnight if the US government wanted it to. We have the intel. We KNOW everyone involved, from the lowest street peddler to the greatest kingpin. We know who ALL of these people are. This is not bullshit, this is true.
But here's the thing: we deliberately CHOOSE to do nothing (or at the minimum, we ACT as though we are doing something) because there are too many important people making too much money off of this shit. How many bankers and Wall Street types do you think depend on the illegal drug trade? How much funding does the CIA get from the illegal drug trade? And that's just the dark side of it.
Then there is the so-called "good guy" side of the equation that is worth hundreds of billions of dollars. Think cops, prisons, lawyers, judges, and all the industries that support this phony war on drugs. You stop the cartels, you stop all this stuff too.
It's quite funny in a tragic way. We as a society create this artificial problem (drugs are bad) and then we create an institution to combat it. It's almost like depression and big pharma. All just bullshit for the purpose of sucking money out of everyone's pockets.

>>33472237
When there is demand there will be a supplier don't go for the supplier go for the demand.

>>33491880
From "Santa Prisca", a fictional island country off of Mexico.

>>33489220
this anon gets it

>>33472334
What if we just killed them all and had the CIA secretly take over the drug trade?

>>33492064
Are you retarded? They don't want us to enforce the border because there's colossal benefits to be had in it. Just because you want to suck a spic dick doesn't mean we have to.

>>33498095
That's exactly what that means, faggot.

make your economy not depend on cartel money
make your political power not be based on cartel violence
make the prison-industrial and military-industrial complexes unprofitable

>>33477267
the main problem is cartels acting like fucking animals.

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>>33498076
>What if we just killed them all and had the CIA secretly take over the drug trade?
>CIA
>take over the drug trade
>take over
top lel

Nukes. Just purge the whole of Mexico with atomic hellfire. Bam, no more cartels.

It would make us complete monsters, and pretty much cause every civilized nation on earth to freak the fuck out, but you did ask.

>>33499260
>America invades Mexico
>Begins using tactical nuclear weapons on cartel forces and cartel forces only
Sounds great

>>33485927
5.56 is cheaper than either option.

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>>33483474
>t. Angery Agnlo manlet

>>33472237
>Why is it so hard to fight the drug cartels?

Because people want drugs?
>Why is it so hard to fight the tide coming in?
>Why is it so hard to fight the grass growing?
>Why is it so hard to fight the rain falling?

Take away their funding. I.e. legalize all narcotics.
You guys are fucking clowns if you think there's any other logical answer.

How do I join a cartel?

>>33481869
This

>>33472237
What if the government sold more drugs than the cartel?

>>33500940

So your going to shoot 2 and none of them ever show up again.

Or you shoot them up with what costs not much even for a goat farmer in bumfuckistan and they go tell all their degenerate friends 'this is great I don't have to spend all day jacking peoples shit and pushing marked up stepped on dimebags, we can just go get shot up and lay in a shitty dark dingy room full of scumbags like us'

I'm just saying; 99% of people are not going to sign up out of the blue to go into this place. The way it is now people start popping their state sponsored opiates with a beer and end up trying something their 'normal' friend offers them when they are all drunk and gonked out of their minds on their last prescription fix so they go for it.

We can have a 'look at how big my partisan cuckold fetish is' contest with retarded liberals saying we should totally unregulated all drugs because thats what we personally want.

Or we can like, try to actually manage and reduce bullshit.

>getting so triggered by a Malaysian comic book fanclub that you write a wall of text to someone who probably never even considered the context of what they replied to

>>33497286
>How many bankers and Wall Street types do you think depend on the illegal drug trade?
These guys don't benefit from it tho - banks, industry and the financial sector would benefit enormously from legalization.
>How much funding does the CIA get from the illegal drug trade?
We'll probably never know. Domestically I'd say not much since Latin America stopped being so politically interesting to us. Internationally, probably a lot, but the money would likely fund groups outside of the organization so that the CIA can outsource the real dirty shit to them.
>Then there is the so-called "good guy" side of the equation that is worth hundreds of billions of dollars. Think cops, prisons, lawyers, judges, and all the industries that support this phony war on drugs. You stop the cartels, you stop all this stuff too.
This, so much this. The war on drugs is the reason for the massive law enforcement/correctional industry in the US - and it is an industry. It's fucking cancer.

>>33498095

Right, so you are retarded. Going from busting cartel with cooperation of Mexico, to being a huge cunt and trying to work blind is surely the best way to stop smugglers.

>>33472237
Forcefully burn all the drug plantations, go full NKVD on drugdealing schemes, shoot every involved person (and most of CIA agents will be killed)

>>33485867
walls might not work but it will slow them down

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>>33472237
what we are doing is fighting a war

it should be faught in a social way that way the war will not be a war but a social problem then we end it

you will one ten will take up there place drug dealers are like weeds man one goes down ten take up there place

we need to find out what makes a dealer and what maeks them fight we take that out the war will be over

I am thinking having snitching programs having any person that looks like he is at risk of joing to be taken from school and put in special camps

having drugs are bad program having cartels are bad etc

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Consider the following.

The only way to permanently eradicate a market is to remove the demand.

The best way to do this varies on a drug by drug basis

>pot isn't that dangerous, so just legalize it and use the tax revenues from that to work on other more dangerous drugs
>heroin addiction is treatable if you prescribe the sufferer more heroin, so just open up addiction maintenance clinics and be done with it
>cocaine and amphetamines can't be legalized like pot and sustained usage destroys the brain
>just take everyone found with them, or who commits a crime with them in their blood, and put them in a mental institution until they detox completely
>if they keep getting caught, put them inside permanently, where they can't make any money to spend on drugs
>have CIA poison cocaine supplies to kill off crackheads and get smarter people to stay away from it
>loosen border controls with Canada so the Canadians can sell drugs to us cheaper than the Mexicans can
>everyone knows Canadians are too polite to kill each other

>>33476544
Better, do this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na2NQxDUMaY

>>33472237
>What could be done to beat them?
make all drugs legal.
intercept large shipments
spike all of it with ricin
decimate degenerate population
MAGA

turn mexico into glass

>>33501867
/thread

>>33472237
Corruption. No amount of tech or tactics will win in most South American countries because the cartels own half the government and hire all the best operators from the military.

>>33472237

Stop funding and training them?

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>if /k/ received a 2 million dollar grant and an order to wipe out the cartels in 1 year the cartels would be wiped out in 6 months

>>33478579
>buy mosin for $150 dollars
>use mosin to kill cartel member with fancy rifle
>trade up, sell old mosin
>repeat steps 1-3
>eventually end up with A10 warthog
>invade somalia

>>33501415
Motherfucker the Cartels RUN MEXICO. Fucking talk to anyone in the FBI, CIA, Bordercontrol, any fuckwit with 2 fucking braincells knows this.

They can literally take out ANYONE in the Mexican government, they've done so, they've taken out fucking entire police departments to keep them in control, they've even kidnapped FBI agent families.

If the US was involved, 3 months max, to completely dismantle the cartels. But otherwise, Mexico and it's government doesn't care because they like the power.

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>>33472237
kill drug users instead, fuckers will be out of business in no time.

>>33501867
Setting aside the fact that your plan to eradicate heroin addiction is to hand out free heroin and amphetamines are Schedule II substances, you could buy Columbia's entire yearly coca harvest at twice the market price and still have enough money left over for the DEA to have over a billion dollar a year budget.

>>33502369
You do realize the CIA and DEA have both been caught working hand in hand with Sinaloa cartel right?

>>33472237
Make all drugs legal.
No money means no soldiers.
No soldiers means no protection.
No protection means we could swoop in during the night and execute every drug lord.

>>33502537
>you could buy Columbia's entire yearly coca harvest at twice the market price and still have enough money left over for the DEA to have over a billion dollar a year budget.
This is something no one considers. Cocaine is profitable because of the US black market. I don't remember the name of the book I read, but it outlined that even if DEA could seize almost all cocaine that comes into the US it would still be profitable for cartels because the street value of coke is something like a 10,000% markup on the cost of labor and materials to produce it.

>>33502690
A kilo of cocaine can have a street value of $35,000 dollars; the value of a ton of coca leaves is $500.

>>33502752
So a 6900% markup? Literally how can the DEA compete?

Spoiler: They can't and that's evidenced by statistics showing that consumption trends have been mostly constant since 1970 despite costs of "enforcement" skyrocketing every year.

>>33472237

Big banks help the cartels with money laundering and other services. HBC was caught in the act but that doesn't say the others don't. As long as they bankroll the cartels, they'll have all the money the need to do whatever they do.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/12/10/news/companies/hsbc-money-laundering/

>>33502537
>you could buy Columbia's entire yearly coca harvest at twice the market price

Which would increase the demand, which would raise the market price, which would result in increased cultivation.

Do you even economics?

>>33475454
>The War on Drugs criminalises (and disenfranchises) blacks and hippies. Neither vote republican in large numbers.
Neither really vote, which is why both major parties are invested in the war on drugs.

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WOOOW

I didnt realize /k/ was completely full of disgusting ignorant racists!?
Let them in! The borders are bull shit. Honey, its time you realized you are on the wrong side of history.

>>33501867
>cocaine and amphetamines can't be legalized like pot and sustained usage destroys the brain
what did he mean by this?

>>33475473
>>33481151
Even soldiers, federales, or high ranking cops can pull you over on trumped up charges kek and yeah cop a feel off your girl as you watch impotently and if they decide take her to holding where they will run a train on her if you dont head over there in time with a couple hundred u.s. dollars homie, funny how I've never met a corrupt cop who took pesos only dollars. Fuckers.

>>33498076

CIA was in Laos in the 1960s getting opium from the crops there. Now they are in Afganistan. The "US Allies" in afganistan are people who the taliban was executing for growing opium and sodomy

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>>33473894
>are you in a legal jam?

drug cartel is like the mexican version of the CIA.

Campaign politicians can claim they will reel them in, but once they are in office nothing happens

>>33475462
>Revolution.
Because that's worked so well for Mexico in the past.

>>33506789
Try doing a bit more research.

>>33472784
Kill everyone.

>>33479711
>silencer

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gotta through them out of helicopters

>>33472237
>Why is it so hard to fight the drug cartels?
cia funding

>>33473894
>are you in a legal jam
Kek

>>33487075
What would you rather have. A war with Mexico, I mean the cartels and your shitty 55k a year salary and you might die... or 1 million a year kickback and all you have to do is convince the normies you really tried hard to catch those criminals and they were just too cunning and darn it they got away again

Watch the Untouchables

>>33508563
>Watch the Untouchables
I have and is partially how I've come to the conclusion that just giving the DEA more money to """fight drugs""" isn't going to do a god damn thing. I'm not going to say full decriminalization is going to solve it, but whatever we're doing now isn't working and throwing more money at the problem isn't going to fix it. We need to try something different.

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>>33472237

One of the most important things to remember: If there is a demand for it, there will always be someone to supply it, no exceptions.

If we really want to solve the drug problem efficiently, we must minimize the demand for drugs.

>>33485871
average /k/ meet.jpg