Hello /k/. I come here now and then, but since I'm swiss,

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>>33465520
Bump
Also does this one seem good ? It's scratched.
1200 CHF, that's like 1200 $

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Modern 9mm should be fine. Lugers were designed to run with hot ammo. Good luck, Mountain Jew, the Luger is a 10/10 pistol.

>>33465520
>The european laws are somewhat beginning to apply here, and the federal government will soon tighten up reglementations on firearms

what?

>>33465730
Ok
What do I have to check if I'm buying, let's say, this one >>33465722

>>33465734
What, what ? There is pressure from the EU. (Switzerland is not in the EU)

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>What should I look for, when buying?
Minimal wear. Spare parts are hard to come by.

>Can I have one that can safely shoot (I heard about modern parabellum ammo that's too heavy for the old build)?
I've never had any trouble shooting modern 9x19 ball ammo through my Luger.

>How not to be scammed?
It's not like anyone makes knockoff Lugers. They're too difficult to manufacture.

>>33465734
The EU is opposed to civilian firearm ownership. While Switzerland is not part of the EU, they are surrounded by the EU, and tend to bring their laws into alignment with their neighbors.

>>33465762
Great, thanks

Do you have an opinion on this one ? You said minimal wear.
http://www.rochcustom.com/produit/dwm-1906-2eme-serie/

>>33465734
theyve also got this trade thing going on where they have to generally follow eu law without a say in it

>>33465722
>It's scratched.
The finish is going to be worn on an old gun like that, unless it has been refinished. Collectors do not like refinished guns, so refinishing lowers the value.

More concerning is that it's rusty, and being sold that way. That's shameful.

>1200 CHF, that's like 1200 $
The only way it would be worth that much in the US is if all the serialized parts had matching numbers. If not, it would be $500 gun, and that's assuming it isn't badly rusted inside, and that it works properly.

>>33465791
Rust ? The dark traces on the safety and other moving parts are rust ?

> unless it has been refinished
I don't understand. Do you imply this one has been refinished ?

Concerning the price, note that the salaries are high in Switzerland. A monthly salary for a shop cashier is 3800 $ minimum
Since it's an old ordonnance weapon, I think there's little chance the parts are not serialized. These weapons are pretty common.

>>33465772
Oh , you meant it's chambered in 7.65×21mm Parabellum. 9x19mm Parabellum is more common, I thought you meant that. I have no idea about modern 7.65mm loadings.

It's impossible to tell if it's worth buying from two pictures, and "Très bon état."

>>33465791
>any luger
>$500 gun

What are you smoking? I see standard lugers for around $900

>>33465812
>The dark traces on the safety and other moving parts are rust ?
Yes. A very light amount of rust.

>I don't understand.
Scratches are normal. They don't lower value very much. Refinishing lowers the value a lot.

>Do you imply this one has been refinished?
No, I don't think it has been refinished. The wear looks normal for the age of the gun.

>I think there's little chance the parts are not serialized
The parts are always serialized. The question is whether any of the parts have been replaced. Do all the serials match? If yes, and the gun shoots well, it is a fine price.

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>>33465821
Oh yeah, it's 7.65, sorry.

> Impossible to tell
Ok then, I should go to these shops. Do you have any idea of what should I ask or check when examining the weapon ?
- No rust
- Matching part numbers ?

Also there's this one, any opinion ? However it's too recent (1929), I want one from before 1923.

>>33465832
People can ask whatever they want.

>>33465844
Ok great
I'll ask if parts have been replaced
I suppose I can make the rust go away myself

>>33465851
Also it's 890 $

>>33465520
Youll be able to get pristine lugers in MountainJewland, the Swiss lugers are fantastic, and not nearly as expensive in Switzerland as in the US.

Swiss lugers run 2500 USD for a decent one here in the States.

Make sure the grips arent loose.

Other than that no big deal, lugers are fairly robust, all the wear components are easy to replace and find such as springs and firing pins.

>>33465851
>- No rust
>- Matching part numbers?
-Has it been test fired?

>Also there's this one, any opinion?
It looks like it has been refinished. I think the grips are plastic replacements. The holster appears to be a reproduction, the spare magazine is a reproduction. The other Luger is probably a better deal.

Why does the year matter?

>>33465879
Oh and ensure the safety works, the sear on my luger is damaged and the safety doesnt work.

Just push the safety lever to the safe position and mash the trigger.

>>33465889
>the sear on my luger is damaged and the safety doesnt work.
How in the world did the sear bar get damaged so that the safety won't engage?

>>33465879
> Make sure the grips arent loose.
Why ? It can't be replaced ?

>>33465884
>Has it been test fired?
Why is it important ? Sorry if stupid question.

> Replacement, reproduction
Oh. He says that the holster is 1940, but you may be right for the rest.
http://www.armuriers.ch/pistolets.html

The year matters because I wrote a story that happens in 1923 and I want physical inspiration. But the year is not so important actually

>>33465889
Gosh. This could lead to drama.

>>33465922
>Why is it important?
You don't want to buy a broken gun.

>He says that the holster is 1940
Then the leather is in surprisingly good shape.

>>33465910
Not that it wont engage, but the sear surface was damaged, when the trigger is pulled while my safety is on the firing pin surface skips over the sear.

Not good.

More than likey uncommon, but its easy to check.

>>33465922
Grips can be replaced, original grips are more valuable.

>>33465821

Modern 7.65 x 21 Parabellum ammo is very similar to old one performance wise in that sense they have similar bullet weight and produce similar muzzle velocity. I tested both Prvi and Fiocchi against old ammo made by Lapua and Sako few years back. Muzzle velocity also proved to be similar as listed in World War 2 era records.

If you plan using factory ammo from the two Fiocchi is considerably higher quality and produces better accuracy. Also: Prvi uses wrong kind of gunpowder, which fails to burn in large extent before exiting tip of barrel and hence produces considerable muzzle flash.

>>33465520

Things to check:
- Overall condition.
- Bore (for any signs of corrosion).
- Serial numbers (matching or not).
- Mechanical condition (everything should work).
- Toggle (weak part of the design).
- Any possible later modifications (-> less value)
- Recoil spring (pulling toggle back and keeping it there should require bit of effort - if not it might be time to replace recoil spring - they are commonly available).

These are fine pistols, but get familiar with the right way of putting the pistol back together before you disassemble one. Its not really that difficult to disassemble & put back together, but assembling it wrong can jam the pistol.

>>33468430
Good to know thanks

>>33468525
Thanks !
Are mismatched serial numbers a physical risk ? I suppose it lessens the value, but could it damage the weapon, for example if a replacement part is slightly smaller than the original one ?

I'll be monitoring the thread forever, btw, so if any of you have more tips, don't hesitate. You already helped me a lot

>>33468783

Normally mismatched serial numbers only effect financial value.

>>33465755
Dont listen to this guy OP.
The Lugers you find are all in 7.65.
Doesnt change the quality though.

>>33468430
To add, theres subsidized ordonnance ammunition available. They even made new ones now.

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>>33465520

>>33470197
No regrets.
Uve switched to mine as main pistol for the range.

>>33465520

I don't know about Switzerland but in Sweden you can legally own guns produced before 1890, for exampel an mauser 88 is okay to have at home.

Otherwise I recommend that you join shooting club or get hunting license, then apply for weapons license.

>>33470486
>>33465520

https://www.google.se/search?q=where+is+it+legal+to+but+luger&rlz=1C1AVNE_enSE710SE710&oq=where+is+it+legal+to+but+luger&aqs=chrome..69i57.4840j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#safe=images&q=where+is+it+legal+to+buy+luger+europe&*

Maybe this will help. Or just build you own.

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>>33465520
>but since I'm swiss, I suppose I have a reserved space

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>>33470197
Nooo

>>33470486
I don't even need to join a shooting club or any license. I only have to fill a buying request form.
That applies to all revolvers, pistols, shotguns, lever action rifles and semi-automatic rifles, without regard to the date of production.

However I can buy hunting rifles and old ordinance weapons (pic related, my family have a lot of them, they are awesome) like I buy cheese.

>>33470750
Why no?

>>33470808
You will mock me, but at first I thought the barrel was pointing at Switzerland. Yes, yes, I can't recognize my country.

Otherwise your luger looks beautiful. Almost new ; or is it the photo ? Also I did not know they came in black, but it seems there was a shit ton of variants

>>33470867
P06/29 the sideplate with the trigger lever is a little worn. Was the service pistol of a Oberstbrigadier OF-7
All original. Made in 1941.

>>33470867
Its not Switzerland.
Its a figure of speech;
Its Lucern and Zürich, I dont respect them.

>>33471052
Oh sheiiiit it actually was Switzerland
Now I'm really questioning my geography skills

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My gf called me from the bedroom on my field telephone
Hope the thread will still be up tomorrow.

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>>33470163

Might be in Switzerland. The other country besides Switzerland to issue 7.65 mm Parabellum in large scale was Finland, but Finnish ammunition manufacturers (Lapua & Sako) stopped making 7.65 mm x 21 in 1980's. Hence only thing available here are Fiocchi, Prvi and small batches of old ammo appearing to market every now and then. Lately only Prvi has been available, so I don't shoot my 7.65mm Parabellums that often anymore. Should probably start making ammo for them, but I shoot them rather rarely, so I have not bothered yet.

Attached is the Parabellum that I usually shoot with - 1920's commercial version in 7.65, which apparently was originally P-08 built sometime around 1914 - 1916. It cost about 750 euros in here. The cheapest ones run around 400 - 500 euros, but they do not have all matching serial serial numbers, unmodified sights or original barrel.

>>33473734
Is old ammo ok to shoot ?
Also, is building ammo possible without a full workshop ?