Why aren't rifles made with the barrel properly in-line

>I have never held a gun

Modern pistol-gripped automatics are in line with your shoulder. Old-fashioned comb-stock guns aren't, because the design predates the invention of a pistol grip on a rifle.

>>33465169
That's too bad, they're a lot of fun.

>>33465169
>Old-fashioned comb-stock guns aren't, because the design predates the invention of a pistol grip on a rifle.
Also, the invention a firearm you could fire more than once without setting down.

>>33465172
Uh, wut. I'm saying you haven't held a gun, faggot OP. I have an AR lying next to me.

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OP, you just described the AR. It was designed with a straight stock and a gas system that's inline with the barrel to reduce controllability

>>33465310
>reduce controllability
reduce rise, increase controllability
hurr durr

>>33465310
Also modern AK's also have stocks that are largely inline with the barrel.

>>33465190
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>>33465310
Blue line is inline with the stock, red line is not inline with the stock.

>>33465340
You probably haven't handled a rifle in your life, have you?

>>33465340
No.

>>33465348
>>33465350
yes

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>>33465368
There's different ways to shoulder a rifle depending on what type of shooting your doing. Inline matters less when you're doing the bottom while it matters when you're doing the top. Not really difficult. You don't shoulder the damn thing in the middle of the stock.

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>>33465378
But with those stances the problem is even worse.

Red line is the current line of recoil force, blue line is what would be optimal considering their stance.

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With the MG42 the recoil force is concentrated almost straight towards the shoulder, there is almost to torque, i wonder why other guns don't do this.

>>33465399
>hey look at me, I can draw arbitrary lines!
The bottom one is the only one semi-accurate.

>>33465412
>The bottom one is the only one semi-accurate
well yeah, so what?

>>33465415
The point is that the fag is bullshit shit out of his ass and trying to pass it off as gold

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Here with super duper oper8tor stance by Chris the recoil impulse is going straight into his shoulder, there's almost no torque here.

>>33465419
Illustrations don't need to be 100% accurate for you to get the point.

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>>33465429
>Exaggerating to "prove your point"

>>33465434
Well how about you draw "accurate" recoil force vectors then, lets compare ours and see how much they differ.

>>33465438
how about you go eat a dick? I'm not going to play your pedantic games, Pal.

>>33465453
You're not my pal, buddy.

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>>33465325
Frankenpasta

>>33465472
You're not my buddy, faggot

>>33465483
You're not my faggot, dude.

>>33465488
You're not my dude, nigga

>>33465508
You're not my nigga, famalam.

>>33465513
You're not my famalam, Black Betty

>>33465525
WHOAH

>>33465207
I like the Kriss and I don't care who knows it.

>>33465981
Amberlamps!

this is goode thread

>>33465144
the simple answer is for a rifle having the barrel higher reduces variation from the sight picture and a lower mounted barrel also requires a shooter to protrude higher from cover to be able to shoot making you easier to spot

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The center of the stock isn't lined up with the center of the recoil impulse in the Kriss either.

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>>33466261
Look, I can draw arbitrary lines too. Mine are more accurate, even.

Fuck off.

>>33466303
Those are some cool lines i'll admit but my lines atleast have some purpose.
Red: the vector of the recoil impulse
Blue: where the recoil impulse vector would have to be so it would be directed at the middle of the stock

>>33466330
A portion of recoil energy is diverted downwards in the Kriss, this allows it to negate muzzle climb without requiring the barrel be dropped below the sight picture

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>>33466261
>>33466303
The Kriss originally was going to take that to the extreme

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>>33466355

>>33465340
Your a stupid sum bitch

>>33466330

>vector of recoil impulse

you apparently don't understand shit about how the vector functions, and have never actually fired one.

your shit is all fucked up.


do you really think you've stumbled on something that 500 years of gunsmiths and engineers haven't already figured out? you? who the fuck are you? king of fucking mensa? do you have a doctorate in mechanical engineering?

your lines are stupid. your idea is stupid. I'm not going to point out why because you'll just counter argue with arbitrary bullshit, as you've already convinced yourself of some grand abilities to come up with fucking colored lines.

>you rusted muh jimmies

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>>33466355
>>33466358
So if shot with only holding on to the grip it would recoil downwards? Seems kinda impractical doesn't it.

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>>33466358
Also the Ruskies messed around with it. Allegedly this performed so well at the olympics it was banned.

The problem is that there is no good way to attach a stock

>>33466330
Is this a bait thread? Are you implying you put the center of the stock at the top of your shoulder or something? Or shave you never shot a rifle before? In case you didn't realize that red line you keep drawing along the barrel to the top of the stock is exactly where you hold the stock on the most firm part of your shoulder. If the recoil went along that blue line then you would be holding the stock way too high up on your shoulder.

>>33466386
At that point the thought was most likely just to move the reciprocating mass downwards as to not hit the hand behind it, then when it changed to a more "traditional" style setup they added mass to the system to create the downwards force. I'm not OP, and I agree his idea is retarded, and he's especially stupid for thinking it hasn't been tried.

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>>33466369
>your idea
What idea are you talking about?

>>33466387
carefully placed opposing and attractive magnents

>>33466414
Your insistence that you shoulder a stock right in the middle is retarded.

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>>33466387
Lines up pretty well with the hand eh?

>>33466423
Do you shoulder it on the bottom then like here? >>33465378

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>>33466423
It's ok, op is just trying to base these assumptions off his nerf collection.

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>>33466399
Not my thread tho, i just draw lines.

>>33466429
Yeah, it works alright with pistols since the recoil can go straight back into the hand. There was also a Ruskie muzzleloading shotgun that attempted to use a similar system, which I'm trying to find the pic I have of it, but IIRC the stock was a fucking mess

>>33466438
On the TOP
You shoulder it along that fancy red line you drew on the ar and vector

>>33466456
>>33466449

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>>33465423
>>33465411
/thread

OP the chris costa grip is primarliy implemented to address your issue. And designers of the past have aknowledged the issue too, so you're not alone.

>>33466438
see
>>33465423

>>33466462
Oh like this then?
>>33465423

>>33466456
You're right about that m1a, it's slightly too high. that's why people printed out earlier that the ar is designed to put the recoil directly in line with your shoulder

>>33466469
That's a big barrel.

>>33465169
Yes, also the addition - with repeating rifles, "classic" stock is easier to use if you want to cycle it.

I mean imagine.

Bolt action rifle with pistol grip.

Just imagine. There is some French sniper rifle that does this, but it's not really meant to be fired form a shoulder.

>>33466474
Yes. Finally i can rip in peace. No more posting about how recoil needs to go to the middle of the stock to line up with your shoulder now ok?

>>33466478
It's not directly inline with the ar either tho, unless of course you use the oper8tor stance.

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The ak-74 is pretty nicely inline as well, not as good as ar tho.

>>33466496
no however it is as close as possible while keeping a comfortable shooting posture

To lower the recoil point requires you to lower the barrel.

The effect of this is sights mounted much higher on flimsy mounts that will rapidly lose zero and require a shooter to be much more exposed vs a normal design.

>>33466496
Ok you're on the right track. That "operator" stance is not some special stance though, it's a normal way to hold it and how most people do hold it when in the move or firing rapidly. The way those soldiers hold it higher in the pictures up above is only done when you want to keep the sights high so you don't have to move your head forward. Those soldiers are accepting the torque so they can keep their necks straight up. I bet once they want to shoot fast up close or whatever they then move the gun lower on their shoulder

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>>33466508
Akm pretty nice as well.

>>33466485
ww

>>33466485
U U
U U

>>33466496
>not shoulder your rifle on top of your shoulder and/or body armor is an "operator stance"

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>>33466528
I wonder if this is comfy to shoot.

>>33466529
The AK is a little less controllable than the lines suggest because of the weight of the bolt and carrier compared to other guns

>>33466555
Maybe, the bottom of the stock is probably going to be in your armpit if youre not a big guy though.

>>33466578
Replying to self, the top of that stock is going to be besides your face so that might be annoying.