Need some help. Most of you are surprisingly knowledgeable about

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>>33444933

>Should also mention

I have a fully loaded Dillon 550 set up for 357sig and 40 with even a few defense rounds in mind. I'm not concerned with ammo and training costs. I'm going into this knowing full and well it will be expensive, so I've already made all the preparations necessary to make training possible.

>wasting more money on a boutique meme cartridge.
Yeah i see no reason to help you.

>>33444933
You could build a 1911 for this. But you would have to give up the double action to do it.

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>>33444933
p250 or p320 subcompact. Its modular so you can switch up your caliber, barrel, size ect.

>>33444964
Strictly looking for performance. Like I said, money isn't a problem.

>>33444933
Honestly I'd hate to mention it, but the Sig P250 sub is exactly what you're looking for. It's modular so you could even put a full sized frame on it and train if you want to.

>>33444933
How about a Sig P239? 7+1 of 357 Sig. You might be able to find one with a DAK trigger, but I'm not sure.

sig p239

>>33444983
>>33444998
These two anons know whats up. By the way the 250 is actually a pretty decently made gun as long as you get the 2nd gen. The gun itself was a flog due to Sig's marketing department overhyping the gun into the hands of new shooters, who then chose to hate the trigger because it wasn't striker fired. But for a DAO, it really is one of the smoothest out there.

>>33445014
aren't those fairly large tho?

>>33444933
I would build one if that's the case. Look for companies that custom build 1911's. You can pretty much get anything you want in whatever you want.

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>>33445024
I picked a used one up at a gun show about a month ago for 400 even. DOA takes a little getting use to but just get some snap caps to practice at home with.

>>33445024
This. Sig Sauer marketing completely fucked the 250 from ever being publicly mainstream. It's a good example of how you can have the engineering, staff, and company, and then have your PR branch completely waste your time and money. Plus they're dirt cheap right now. You could probably buy 2 for less than $800.

What you are asking for does not exist.

That being said, having a hammer on a CC that sticks out isn't going to be conducive to concealment

I strongly suggest you consider a striker fired handgun, if only because itll be easier to find one in the .357sig you want so much

Of course, .357sig is hard to find as it is.

Im no glockfag, but you may be able to rechamber something like a g43 in your desired caliber. That may be your best bet

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>>33444933
>>33445014
>>33445015
If you can spare the extra space I would go with this. If not you should really consider 380acp. From what I understand the pressures from the 357 require more meat thereby pushing it out of the pocket carry classification.

>>33445038
It's comparable in size to a Glock 19. Not terribly large.

>>33445093
>That being said, having a hammer on a CC that sticks out isn't going to be conducive to concealment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Os6e1UZsg4

>>33445024
I really bugs me how the p250 got so much hate. Sig CLEARLY STATED it was DAO straight on the box, yet people who only like strikers still bought it and then decided to shame it. Doesn't make any sense.

>>33444959
>pics of said rig

What the other anons said. The Sig P250 is almost dot to dot what you're looking for. Where's my prize?

Am I the only one who pictures every .357 sig guy as some doucheneozzle hipster droning on about their meme round while they sip meme coffee they home brewed from meme beans they ground in their meme grinder after meme waxing their handlebar meme before a long day douching around some marketing firm? What I'm saying is they're not players they just meme alot.

>>33444985
>3.57mm SIG
>Performance

How bout you stick to 9mil like an actual trigger puller, ok son?

>>33445150
>I posted first

That's my prize you fool.

>>33445156
Eh, if it some kid looking to swing his dick than yes. But if it's for an actual application where it's warranted then I see nothing wrong with it.

>>33445177
ZOMG tell prease where meme round is "warranted"

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>>33445127
>Doesn't make any sense
It makes perfect sense you dingus. The sig marketing branch wanted something different than the manu branch, novice shooters wanted to buy it because it was in their price range completely forgetting DAO hasn't been really all that popular since the revolver days. The DAO was implemented because various agencies requested it, so they delivered, but the gun was never supposed to be anything of a flagship firearm line. It was purpose built.

And yet Sig's marketing sounded surprised to find out it got bad PR. New shooters want something that is fun and easy to shoot, not something dug up for a specific application. That's where they failed. The gun had a specific purpose, and marketing wanted to hype the fuck out of it for everyone to use.

>>33445156
More to the point, why does it even bother you at all?

>manlet faggot detected

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>>33444933
>1: Looking for something chambered in 357sig. Mostly because I already have $2000 tied up into it, but also because I'm a physicsfag and love bottlenecked cartridges. Other bottlenecked rounds are also considered.

As .357 sig seems appealing, you're better served with a 9mm and plenty of practice done with it being more cheaper to afford and more shootable, especially with a smaller gun. People often say "I can handle .40/.357 sig etc" then their performance falls apart when you all of a sudden tell them to shoot at speed while keeping an acceptable level of accuracy. A larger caliber does you no good if you cannot control it let alone afford shooting it.

>2: It must be concealable enough to avoid printing under normal teaching attire for normal indoor conditions. Any giveaway could potentially lead to press interest, which could further lead to aggression from the student body, then leading to an early retirement. I simply can't take the chance, regardless of the legality.

I will not tell you what exact gun you have to carry. I will tell you that a good quality holster and belt will greatly aid in concealment along with comfort. Do not skimp out on this.

>3: Preferably DAO, or at least DA/SA. My work habits involve sticking things in my pocket and I'm always standing up/sitting down. It's something I don't really have much control over.

I would suggest AIWB at this point provided you understand how to safely holster and draw while thumbing the back of the hammer.

With that kind of money, definately look into going to a class taught by Tom Givens or Darryl Bolke and Wayne Dobbs. They are known to have good defensive classes that teach both how to shoot defensively and how criminals operate. A $500 class will greatly accelerate you into effectively defending yourself far more than buying a tricked out $1,500 "just because you can"

fwiw, I carry a PX4 Compact Carry in 9mm AIWB

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>>33445193
>being this assmad because someone else wants something else

Grow the fuck up kid

>>33444933
>czeched
P250 is an oddball OP, I've shot one (no idea what gen) and it just felt weird. the trigger is pretty good though.
see if you can find an HK p2000 or P2000sk to try out, I've seen them at lgs' around $6-700
if your price ceiling is 2k, pretty much anything in factory .40 is gonna be pretty cheap and have the option for a 357 sig barrel. except for CZ, EFK doesnt make them anymore for whatever stupid reason

>check this out, genitronDOTcomSLASHCompare-Handguns

>>33444933
P320 in .357 sig with SC grip mod?

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>>33444933
>What would be the smallest 357sig subcompact/pocket available?

ALWAYS.
FUCKING.
GLOCK!

>>33445276
>admits there is no situation where meme round is called for specifically.

keks internally

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Holy shit, believe it or not after some research a pocket 357 actually does exist.

My willy just got hard

>>33445311
No, you're just this chucklefucked

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>>33445160
fudds

fudds everywhere.

Buy P250

Train with P320

And you'll still be under your budget

Can I get a Quick Rundown on .357 SIG?

>>33445353
out of a subcompact barrel, the flash will be massive, the bang deafening and the gain in muzzle footpounds less than impressive.

>>33444933
P229 DAK. I believe they are available in .357 SIG

>>33444933
>Most of you are surprisingly knowledgeable about personal carry firearms.

Reading this thread and seeing what everyone is actually posting, probably not.

So far the responses are:

>P250
I don't know much about it. Do people still hate it or has it finally met it's preferred clientele?
>custom 1911
I kind of like the idea if I didn't have to always keep cocked and locked.
>Glock
no
>Sig P239
I might actually look into this provided I can conceal it properly. I'll need to head to a range somewhere up here in the DFW area that actually lets me try out their guns.
>9mm, 380, 40
No, maybe, and probably. I'm not concerned with costs.

>>33445283
seconding P2000sk

P250 meets your checklist OP. They make them in 3 sizes and all have models for 357sig. Then just change out the barrel and practice with 40 SW.

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>>33445276
>Grow the fuck up kid

The problem is that OP is under the assumption that .357 Sig is optimal for self defense where 9mm is lacking in it. Other fucksticks are prodding him into buying .357 Sig because they too don't know any better.

OP is trying to buy a gun that will potentially be used to save his or someone else's life and suggesting him to buy a .357 Sig and nothing else is plain reckless. If OP was looking for recommendations for a fun range gun, that's another story.

And yes, 10mm/.357sig fanboys are cancer that obsessively oogle over ballistic charts but couldn't name a drill that isnt a mozambique or tell you what shot timer is because actual performance shooting or meaningful practice is something they have never considered.

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>>33445376
In a classroom scenario I would actually see the large flash being more a benefit than anything.

>JAMAL PUT DOWN THE MACHETE
>2 flashbangs ring out
>Blinded by glorious chamber pressures, Jam's gets swamped by hordes of closet alt right autists

That or he get's dropped by a .355 lead slug going at minimum 1000+ fps from a 2.5 inch barrel. I can't really see a downside.

>>33445498
>I can't really see a downside.
if I'm going for bastardized 10meme rounds, I'd go for 40sw. its more powerful than 45acp and I don't have to deal with >lol 9mm banter

>>33445407
It *shouldn't* matter if people hate it OP. Retards who get behind a computer will always find something to hate when the gun in question isn't theirs.

>>33445407
>DFW area

There's that one indoor place south of Denton on 35w that lets shooters try pistols.

Btw, sounds like you are UNT fag. My condolences.

>>33445528
>I'd go for 40sw. its more powerful than 45acp


I will rape your face bitch

>>33445581
>I will rape your face bitch

well, it hurts the fudds right in the feels but it's true.

>>33445156
Not at all. My dad has a glock in .357sig and he's 6'0 180 and works for the DOE, and carried it for the exact reason OP wants to.

>>33444933
I suggest a G42 or a small glock or the sig P238/239 in 357sig. It works well, is well hidden, and can be a fun little gun to shoot.

>>33445407
Honestly I'll never understand why anons get so buttflustered over caliber choice. From the sound of things I'd guess you've put some sort of serious scientific thought into it. But there are probably some things you're not considering like blast and muzzle jump. If you can handle that then keep with the 357 meme. That being said, you're best options are the P250 and P239. I wouldn't mess with building a 1911 unless you really know what you're doing.

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>>33445139

>>33445683
Muh nigga

>>33445580
Yes, I awaiting an adjunct position at Texas A&M, Tarleton, or TCU. The kids here are pretty much literally insane right now. I just saw a some ass ugly trans muslim girl/guy walking around campus earlier that had a posterboard taped to it's shoulder saying "NOT ISIS". I hate this place.

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>>33445683
Is that a fucking cabinet? Nice.

>>33445407
What kinds of clothes do you wear at your job? Do you spend a lot of time standing or sitting? What position do you think you might carry? These are the questions that you'll need to answer if you want a gun that will be viable in your circumstances.

>>33445528
>I'd go for 40sw. its more powerful than 45acp

I don't even like fuddy five, but you're delusional.

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>american education is in such a sorry state that teachers need to carry to feel safe around theie students
Murrika

>>33444933
>Most of you are surprisingly knowledgeable about personal carry firearms

whoa whoa whoa pump the brakes OP. There's a loud very small minority of pistol enthusiasts here but that's where it ends

>>33445841
>I don't even like fuddy five, but you're delusional.

you clearly have never bothered to look up ballistic charts for the two rounds have you?

>>33445599
Quad dubs speaks the all knowing truth.

>>33445732
He's just declaring that he's not a hateful terrorist, he's just sick of people assuming so becausebhebis brown and that is an effective way of making that point. He seens like he could be a chill dude, or would you prefer he was an ISIS sympathiser/supporter?

>>33444985
>>33444933
>teacher
>money isn't a problem
Ask how I know you're lying

>>33444933
If you have a fetish for bottlenecked cartridges and DAO pistols get a NAA guardian in 32 NAA.

>>33445599
Holy dubs

>>33446090
>uni STEM professor
checks out

>>33445940
Still trying to influence the boards, eh? Out shill.

>>33446090
>thinks I'm just a teacher lol

Motherfucker I just signed a grant for 3 million last week.

>>33445386
Don't do this, i had one in .40S&W. turned me off of sigs in general.

>>33445829
Mostly tucked in button ups and slacks. Sperry loafers and leather watch kind gitup. What would you suggest?

>>33446723
Why? I just spect 30 mins looking at youtube vids of them.

said vid:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqtUW1n0q5E

>>33446135
Interesting...

>>33446090
Dude, the average rate for STEM profs are >90K with just an adjunct position. That's not even if he's a full professor, much less tenured, not including research or grants. This ain't no basic teacher drug up from some high school.

>>33445683
clean

>>33444933
I mean, you do you, but .357 sig only has like 100fps over similar weight short barrel specific 9mm loads from a barrel that short, with a hell of a more pronounced rocket nozzle effect.

Subcompact is a no go as far as im aware but but there are plenty of compacts in that caliber that should be easily concealable in the AIWB position. Sig p320, M&P, sig p239 all come to mind. im pretty sure H&K and maybe FN also have some compact sized handygats in that caliber.

>>33444959
Don't do this, it's gotten people prosecuted before. TL;DR if the burn rate of your powder is slightly different than the examples their forensics techs are used to the prosecutor will think your story doesn't quite add up. this combined with a prosecutor who's looking to make a point and the fact that the defense cant manufacture their own evidence has resulted in unnecessary trials in the past. If you want to run hot .357 then use your rig for range ammo and just buy some underwood for carry.

>>33446742
>tucked shirt
single stack pistols with small beavertails or bobbed hammers
look into the urban carry holster, also consider pleated slacks and/or untucking shirt and/or wearing patterned or flannel button downs for better concealibilitah

whichgun.com/pistols/type:compact,subcompact/caliber:357-sig/sort_by:ccw_factor/sort_direction:desc

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>>33444955
Walther PP99

>>33446860
thanks anon. looking at it now

>>33446842
>Don't do this, it's gotten people prosecuted before
I didn't think about that. I'm guessing Underwood is the hottest out there?

>>33446878
I'd shoot before I buy, OP. The Sig .357 is a snappy bugger even in a full size handgun. You might be better off with a .380 you can shoot easily.

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Not op but anyone have more info on this?

>>33444933

SIG P250 SC

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>>33446923
i have a back up in 380...its shit.

>>33446891
They're definitely up there. more importantly IMO, their advertised velocities aren't bullshitted like some companies(cough cough buffalo bore) and they have a good reputation for quality control.

>>33446135
I actually like that

>>33446135
https://northamericanarms.com/shop/firearms/naa-32naa/ Pretty cool.

>>33446877
Underrated

>>33446135
>>33447121
See, it's stuff like this that intrigues me about firearm knowledge on image boards. That actually seems decent. Not OP, but I wouldn't mind tossing a few grand into that if I had the means and dispensable money.

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>>33446135
>>33447121

>>33447269
>>33447121
wopping 6-8" of penetration. I think i might rather carry a ruger mark 2 with CCI minimags then that.

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>>33447347
>Man, I think I'll just run with 12ga wax slugs than that

Another example of an uneducated dingus not understanding penetration by itself is completely meaningless.

>>33447578
Hello newfriend, are you perhaps confusing the terms penetration and expansion? penetration between 12-18" is the most important single attribute a round can have. a .22 caliber hole in the aorta is worth more than a .50(probably more like .45 in tissue) hole in one side of a lung. I guess maybe all my years of college level A+P courses combined with years of hobbyist research on terminal ballistics are just clouding my judgement on the subject. Would you care to enlighten me as to your surely impressive credentials and theories regarding this subject? I never get tired of hearing these sorts of things.

>>33444933
P320 subcompact

But be warned, I have had two P320's and both have had various issues.

Fullsize 45 acp can barely make it through a magazine without jamming

Compact 9mm wont catch the slide open on an empty magazine once in awhile.

>>33448899
not exactly a stellar recommendation.

>>33448954
It's just the smallest .357 sig I can think of.

I wouldn't recommend .357 sig or a P320 for a carry gun.

>>33448227
>tryhard with autism trying to justify his autism
>cites some stupid classes and hobby interest as evidence
>thinks penetration is the end-all of terminal ballistics
>still knows nothing about terminal ballistics

I guess it's back to physics 101 with you then, huh

lol stay mad fag

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>>33448227
>maybe all my years of college level A+P courses combined with years of hobbyist research on terminal ballistics

>>33448899
I'm surprised. That's literally the first bad thing I've heard from the 320. I kinda figured the gun was mostly hype.

>>33449259
I love your cohesive and non fallacious argument. the part where you cited so many sources, explained your reasoning, and totally didn't samefag just about swept me off my feet. love to do it again sometime

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>>33445732
Come to A&M. It's still safe here.

>>33448227
>>33449305
Just to clarity, I am not >>33449259, but I have a PhD in Physics and teach graduate newtonian mechanics at a large university and to think penetration by itself is the silver lining of terminal ballistics is the most asinine advice I've ever heard. There's literally 15 other parameters involved in the potency of a cartridge. You are naming only one and sperging when others don't agree with you.

>>33449332
Yes, I know some of the postdocs over there. Particularly those in Scully's graduate group.

>>33449305
we don't need a cohesive argument. your autism is already enough to choke on.

>>33448227
>muh hobby knowledge is superior

why does this retarded meme always converge on /k/?

>>33449405
/k/ is a buglight to butt raviged fudds and autism. Don't ever stop believing this isn't a magical place.

>>33449347
Alrighty then, would you mind pointing out which of these parameters are more important than the ability to reliably penetrate deeply enough to damage the greater thoracic blood vessels and/or CNS?

>>33449405
Greater than your hobby knowledge? probably.

>>33449382
omg im so totally going out on a limb here by literally parroting the consensus of the last 20+years of terminal ballistics research, such autism, you blew my whole belief system out of the water

>>33449470
just stop

>>33447104
Buffalo Bore exaggerates velocities?

>>33449365
Huh, well you're smarter than me then. I don't know what field you're in, but almost all of our stem buildings are pretty new, and quite nice. Hope you like drinking, there's not too much else to do here.

>>33449478
>>33449521
you literally don't have any argument do you? and here i was looking to break out my bookmarks of industry professionals and research papers...

>>33449470
It's widely disputed and nobody has a clear answer, but in my professional opinion velocity is the most important dependent variable in any particle's motion. The past 20 or 30 years of "terminal ballistics" is fathered from ancient advice of law enforcement and outdated optimism. Every round is different and good/bad in different scenarios. The goal is optimization, and calibrating the round to suit controlled scenarios. A standard on penetration is far outweighed if the bullets can not deliver energy that's mostly made from velocity, and have it stop as quickly as physically possible in a predetermined target of predetermined material. But that's only my professional opinion, as I'm sure other professionals might offer different ones.

>>33449493
Whoops, was thinking of double tap and had a brain fart, my bad.

>>33449558
Quit getting mad

>>33449563
WHY did you reply to that aspy? Don't bargain with an idiot anon.

>>33449521
Dr. Scully is 80 years old and dances on tables when he's drunk, but don't tell his undergrads that. Yet, me and Scully are in good company so there shouldn't be much to argue lol.

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>>33444933
Dear physics teacher,

Please help me with this math problem. And I'm partial to Sigs and sig has a p250 which is .357 sub compact.

>>33449638
take logs of both sides

>>33449638
Time to see if /k/ understands latex:

1st step: take logs of both sides to get

$$

Log_{3X-1}*11 = Log_{2X}*6

$$

2nd step: manipulate constants of LHS and RHS to whichever you want

3rd step: divide the logs over one another and use the logarithm identity of

$$

Frac {Log{a}}{Log{b}} $$ to make

Log {a} - Lob {b} $$

simplify the problem and solve for x

>>33449730
/k/ does not understand latex

strategy still applies tho

>>33449730
Also remember to use exponential to reverse the logs. Forgot that step.

>>33449730
>>33449742
>>33449764
k is a magical place indeed. you give me hope in humanity

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>>33444933

>has physics degree
>wants to carry the tiniest production pistol in .357 SIG

>>33449563
So pretty much energy dump theory which is more or less the redheaded step child of stopping mechanics. in relation to handguns none of them are capable of producing enough energy to kill on it's own. while i agree that facklers line of thought is narrow minded in its out of hand dismissal of energy as a factor in stopping an individual quickly it would seem even more narrow minded, or perhaps really intentionally ignorant to try to advocate pure energy as being more important than penetration. Even the more optimistic study findings(courtney & courtney) regarding the effects of "hydrostatic shock" indicate levels of brain damage consistent with a level 1 concussion on postmortem examination of animal model studies of handgun rounds. these also do not tend to occur in a very reliable fashion. Given these pressure related findings i would however think it likely that such a concussion would be accompanied by a strong baroreflex and may play a synergistic role with acute hemorrhage in bringing a person.

When it comes down to it my hyperbolic sperging out was in relation to a low energy(.32NAA) projectile mustering roughly 1/3rd of what a +p 9mm round does. I sincerely doubt that such a low energy load would be able to produce any noticeable energy related effects on target.

To use a metaphor, if a man were punched in the face by a middle schooler but not knocked unconscious, and simultaneously stabbed in the aorta with a 9" kitchen knife you'd be the physics teacher off to the side saying the head wound is what we should really be worried about.

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>>33449654
>>33449730
>>33449742
I don't even know why I'm going to college I should just sign up for Detroit PD.

>>33449730
>>33449742
>>33449764
And no I don't understand latex. Is precalc supposed to be hard or am I just a fucking retard?

>>33449824
whoops accidentallyd a sentence while editing in this fucking tiny ass window.

"bringing a person down quickly" specifically i was talking about those stops that tend to occur in less than a couple of seconds without cns damage.

>>33445732
You sound like a pretty badass proff. I'd love to take your class if my mecheng degree plan provides it.

>>33444933
the holster, belt, and dress attire is going to make more of a difference than any gun type when concealing. people can conceal full size N frame S&W revolvers no problem with the right set up. i would say just get a Sig 229 and call it a day, wear an IWB holster and always have some sort of loose shirt untucked and youll be fine. winter is even easier, just leave your sweater/jacket on

>>33444933
also, you say you have $2,000 tied up in 357 sig. do you mean you have 2 grand of ammo lying around? what are your other weapons in 357 sig?

>no one suggested ruger lcr
is there something I'm missing here?

>>33449843
It's get's a lot easier. The latex is just to make math pretty print on an internet forum and I was just testing to see if it worked here. You're not retarded, as I've met plenty of them in my times teaching and everyone struggles with something the first time. It took me 2 times to pass calc 2 for example.

Exponentials are incredibly important in your future career. Literally every sector of the scientific community would cease in a second if noone understood them thoroughly. To get a deeper, intimate understanding of them try directing your questions over to stackexchange. You'll get plenty of the help you need to understand the material, not just copy someone else's work.

Also, don't use Chegg. Every proff uses it to clarify who copies solutions.

also FYI op you got meme'd hard. the 40 s&w can do everything a 357 sig can. just load lighter bullets. the bottle neck cartridge is a meme and serves no real purpose besides looking cool

>>33444933
if money is no problem you should get another pistol with the same action in 9mm to practice in the range

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>>33445528
think thats bad, I carry Pic related myself.
>lol .30 pistol cartridge

>>33449919
Nope. I have an entire arms cache of 357sig ammo on hand. With the other ammo on my pile, I'm pretty sure my house bows in the middle from the outside.

>>33449976
so what guns do you currently have in 357 sig and why cant you carry them?

>>33449955
A forty shit and meme fanboy calling .357 sig a meme. Now I've truly seen it all

>>33449976>>33449993

IE, what platform do you have the most experience with

>>33449967
Tok bullet is actually my favorite round. The most impressive comparison I've seen was a x25 round with a 327 federal magnum speer gold dot shoved in it. It made power dumps comparable to a 357mag stubnosed, and at only 3-4 inches in, right where the vitals are.

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>>33449952
Jesus, I just hate struggling to see whats right in front of me. Im a computer science major by the way. Thanks for your wisdom physicsanon.

And I'd just settle for a .380 man its a very subtle defensive weapon and cam be minuscule in size.

>>33449999
Underrated post.

>>33450007
I always enjoy helping people. Very welcome.

>>33450007
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>>>33449952
>Jesus, I just hate struggling to see whats right in front of me. Im a computer science major by the way. Thanks for your wisdom physicsanon.
>And I'd just settle for a .380 man its a very subtle defensive weapon and cam be minuscule in size.
>>>33449999
>Underrated post.
>>33450007
>Underrated post.
its not underrated if nobody has time to rate it, he just posted it like 30 seconds ago faggot

>>33450021
do you even want our help OP?

>>33450000
>>33449993
>>33449919
>>33449894

>>33449993
Have a Glock 31 that I've had around the house. I don't want striker for carry though.

>>33450047
well, not sure why you would say that. the obvious choice would be to get a glock 32 or 33 for carry since you already have some compatible mags and holsters and experience shooting the platform. strikers are the safest carry guns and superior in every way.

but those points aside, my recommendation would be still to look into a sig compact like the 229

>>33449347
Thanks for the info OP, now I can find you and tell your admin that you plan on carrying a gun in a gun free zone! Fantastic!

Professor with a small penis looking to feel like a tough guy will end up getting raped by jamal in prison.

>>33450104
Spotted the /b/tard

>>33450047
>>33450086
i can also tell you dont have much real world experience or training in self defense. it would only take a few rounds of you shooting a short barrel compact 357 sig in a hallway or dark room before abruptly changing your opinion on the round. and if you take your pistol to the range and run the bullets through a chronograph i think you will be severely disappointed in the velocities from a short barrel pistol, and realize you get the same exact performance in a 9mm with a lot less blast and recoil. you are basically just shooting a cartridge that burns half its powder in a 2 foot ball in front of your compact barrel muzzle. go ahead and shoot around indoors sometime, youll see what i mean

>>33450104
It's legal to carry concealed on campuses in Texas. There may be certain restrictions on buildings, but there is not, and CAN not be a blanket ban using that provision.

t. Aggie fag

>>33450172
No its not. Do your research.

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>>33450021
Got it! In case anyone was wondering.

>>33450147
Also this. As cool as .357 sig is its just not designed for the size of weapon you are looking for. You might be able to conceal a 1911 in .357 though because they are pretty thin.

OP, is there a reason why you aren't considering a gun a J-frame-sized revolver? It doesn't meet your criteria of "chambered in .357 SIG or a bottlenecked cartridge," but meets all of your other criterion. They:

1.) Have great flexibility in terms of ammunition. A gun chambered in .357 Magnum can also handle .38 Special and .38 +P, and the three calibers themselves also have great flexibility in terms of how they are loaded. There is also the option of a gun chambered in .327 Federal Magnum, which gives you an additional round over .357.

2.) Are extremely concealable. The all-steel ones like the Smith and Wesson Model 36 or Ruger SP101 disappear in an ankle holster, while the lightweight scandium frame ones (11 oz. unloaded!) are ideal pocket guns. When in a proper pocket holster, they are indistinguishable from a smart phone as long as you aren't wearing hipster jeans or something similarly impractical.

3.) Are offered in DAO and DA/SA. Furthermore, in case you have never tried one before, a good revolver trigger is to double action shooting what a good 1911 trigger is to single action shooting. They have none of the grit, mushiness, takeup, or stacking that your typical semi-automatic DA/SA trigger does.

4.) Have a large number of options available to allow a prospective buyer to get exactly the gun he wants at whatever price point he wants. As previously mentioned, your options range from mundane all-steel options to scandium framed guns with laser grips and night sights.

Considering that your criteria is basically "I want a powerful round in as small a DA/SA package as possible," that you have to tuck your shirt in at your job, and that the P239 only holds 2+1 more rounds despite being significantly larger and heavier, you should consider whether something like the M&P 340 fits the bill for you.

>>33450200
indeed you did. one step forward.

>>33450147
we've already tried these approaches op doesnt care. he's a physics PHD who knows for a fact that the 100 fps gains he'll see over comparable 9mm loads are absolutely critical to successful self defense. not shot placement, follow ups, penetration, or expansion.

>>33450263
i am seeing that now, he seems stubborn and kind of dumb to be honest. especially that post where he argues penetration isnt the most important factor, i am saging and outta here

>>33450186
http://www.dps.texas.gov/rsd/chl/legal/newlegislation.htm

>>33450295
I thought shot placement was king?

>>33450263
I never said anything was a matter of fact. The last two are exactly why I'm looking into what I'm looking for. The first two come with practice, which isn't an issue so I'm not sure what you're on about.

>>33450295
samefag

>>33450228
I'm going to try one of those when I get a chance. A friend of mine suggested that also.

I'm grading midterms /k/ chill

>>33450306
>"Authorizes a license holder to carry a concealed handgun on or about the license holder’s person while the license holder is on the campus of an institution of higher education or private or independent institution of higher education in this state. Open carrying of handguns is still prohibited at these locations."

>Open carrying of handguns is still prohibited

op I'm not sure if printing is even legal on campus. If I were you I would just stick with a small 380 just to stay on the safe side.

>>33450468
>It's legal to carry CONCEALED on campuses in Texas.

Where did I mention open carrying? I carry on campus. As I mentioned, the college board can say certain buildings are off limits. Some types of laboratories and such. I don't see many in my day to day. They'll be posted clearly if its a no go.

Just like people used to say you'd be arrested for printing? How many times has that happened? I'm sure I wouldn't want to be the first person spotted, but just take proper precautions and it won't ever be an issue. You'd be in the clear legally at least.

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>>33450263
>>33450295
I always wondered if this is fudd's went through when they spazzed about the newer generation. There's just something about someone else going against their principles that brings out the autism of an individual.

>>33445732
I was a student there for 2 years, absolutely hated it. music major

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>>33450312
Not all of us have to rely on such obtuse methods to convey our points.

>>33444933
Probably a Glock.

>>33444933
>also because I'm a physicsfag and love bottlenecked cartridges.
What does being a "physicsfag" have to do with anything? Are you just trying to tell us that you have aspergers?

>>33444985
>Strictly looking for performance. Like I said, money isn't a problem.
So why not go full retard and "invest" another $2000 in 9x25 Dillon? It has all the autism of .357 Sig, and much, much more.