Could a single Atago-class destroyer tip the balance of powers

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no
It's missiles couldn't hit ww2 fighters, they travelled too slow + were made out of wood which is a natural radar absorbing material.

>>33425025

>retards keep making these inane threads

>>33425098
The CIWS can destroy any WW2-tier air threat which need to travel in a straight line to zero in on the target.

>>33425156
CIWS has not been proven to work

>>33425025
Is the 5 year supply being provided to Imperial Japan or does Japan have to provide for the 5 year supplies?

Who would be operating the ship? JSDF or Imperial Japanese soldiers?

If it is the latter for both, then the destroyer easily alters the course of history. It would be like a force of death to anything in a 15 mile radius. The individuals involved could also contribute in tech advancement for the state.

The US would be forced to broker some peace agreement until after the US deals with Nazi Germany. By then, it is hard to say who would be a bigger threat: Soviet Russia or Imperial Japan. The US would pick the weaker country and destroy the other.

>>33425163
How would it not work against WW2 aircraft? It's practically fish in a barrel with its tracking system.

>>33425025
If this isn't the plot for a nationalistic japanese anime yet it will be soon im sure

>>33425182
>It would be like a force of death to anything in a 15 mile radius
Good thing battleships can shoot out to twenty miles.
Also, aircraft.

None of the Atago's weapons can penetrate the armor of a BB. Same with all Burke copies, btw. Harpoons literally only scratch the paint.


We have established that through CMANO tests already.

The only thing that can actually make a difference when sent back in time are Russian and Chinese warships with their supersonic anti ship cruise missiles.

It would wreck shit up, but there is no way a single asset would be able to tip the scales in japans favour.

Once the USA knew of the threat they would Zerg the fuck out of that ship. No way it can carry enough munitions to stop swarms and swarms of TBF Avenger's from wrecking their shit.

>>33425163
If CIWS can intercept missiles during practice runs, it can easily intercept WW2 aircraft.

>>33425199
Zipang 2000

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>>33425199

It is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zipang_(manga)

>>33425098
Almost got me, nice bait mate.

>>33425163
Land based CIWS kills 60 & 81mm mortar rounds all the time.

Killing a WW2 aircraft would be child's play for its Fire Control System.

>>33425238

You're supporting my argument. The ship won't be traveling alone. It would be supported by battleships, other aircraft carriers, and destroyers.

Even the radar on the Atago would be game changing. Imperial Japanese battleships could be directed by the Atago and told exactly where to fire and Imperial Japanese aircraft carriers would be given early warnings. The radar alone is enough to change things like Midway.

>>33425025
It'd basically make it impossible to destroy any Japanese carriers protected by it. It could be used as an offensive weapon to great effect but for it'd be more useful for the IJN to basically immunize their carrier groups to submarine and air attack.

The USA would build a shitton of Iowa-class battleships and eventually get it though, but god knows what kind of losses would be incurred.

I'm gonna ask the real question here

Some say it doesn't have enough firepower to penetrate, but does it have the precision to aim for the enemy bridge?

>>33425182
>It would be like a force of death to anything in a 15 mile radius
Try 150km

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_90_Ship-to-Ship_Missile

>>33425329
Admittedly the sensors would be useful. But that's about the only thing that's a huge deal. But one ship can't be everywhere at once, and sooner or later the IJN will be crushed by sheer weight of numbers and attrition. Early warning doesn't really matter when you've got only a handful of competent pilots against a 1000+ bomber raid from ten fleet carriers and a couple dozen smaller ones. Remember, the longer the war goes on, the more and more it tips into the favor of the USN.

>disable Iowa's FCS with missiles
>damage its propulsion
>kill it with jerryrigged oxygen torpedoes

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>>33425163

>>33425373
>what is radar horizon?

>>33425349
cont.

After a couple encounters with it (assuming USA doesnt have intel on it prior) it would basically rove around with its carrier group uncontested. If an American fleet encountered a Japanese fleet and discovered its presence the order would be to retreat immediately.

But, in the vastness of the Pacific Ocean it and its fleet can only be in one place at one time and with good communication and planning it could probably be avoided for the most part. The impetus to spend the considerable resources in both steel and human life to destroy it would come from its ability to embargo islands and starve out invading Marines (think Guadalcanal) or garrisons on islands that dont have adequate coastal batteries to repulse it.

Enough battleships would do it though, and eventually it'd catch some ludicrously massive shell specifically engineered to destroy it by pure luck.

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>>33425401
I'm retarded

>>33425386
I'm not too sure. It think it would depend on when the Atago enters the war. Is it before Midway? The US public morale was somewhat suffering because of their continued defeat by the Imperial Japanese. Also, if Imperial Japan wins at Midway, that means that Japan secures the resources that it desperately needed in SEA and it doesn't suffer the loss of their best pilots.

After Midway, Imperial Japan didn't have the access to oil that they secured in Indonesia. It effected their ability to built ships, train men, supply their military, continue critical domestic activities, and etc. They had no way to secure their shipping lanes because most of their Navy was totally fucked. Afterwards, their merchant Navy was destroyed because they had no Navy to protect their ships.

I could see Imperial Japan taking Hawaii, securing China, SEA, and possibly Australia and then negotiating some type of peace with the US. The peace would be temporary until the US acquires nukes but it would still change the balance of power in the pacific. The US might even ally with Imperial Japan to destroy the Soviets.

>>33425411
Not really. Assuming a 100% hit rate (which DESU isn't that big of a stretch considering prop aircraft) you're only swatting about a hundred targets before a lengthy reload, assuming the IJN can actually conduct an UNREP with AShMs. In this time period, that's a large, but not unsurmountable amount of losses.

And once the USN learns of such a limit, it would not surprise me if a couple carriers in every fleet are held back specifically to fuck over that one ship if it pops up.

It would depend if it was allowed to load up on tailsitting spotting drones

As long as it can find & hit US carriers it could easily carry the war

>>33425419
At least you're man enough to admit it.

>>33425386
I think this would be an amazing movie. If not this, then a US version with like Nazi Germany having access to a German ship. It would be a fun watch.

I would decimate anything it faced.

"Anything it faced" is the key word.

Even if it had the supplies to continuously operate, it can't be everywhere at once, and it won't fix the other problems japan faced in the war.

If it has to go out into battle, It can't stop US submarines or minelayer from capsizing the japanese merchant fleet.

It can't unfuck the Japanese fighter pilot mentality and stop them from wasting their manpower.

It can't prevent the IJA from throwing away resources in land wars in China

It can't attack US factories and shipyards from making ships faster than the Japanese can, although that's probably what the IJN high command would want it to do.

It can't stop the US from breaking the IJN codes, and even if they could, would they have the spare hardware to outfit every ship and every island post with the same encryption levels that they do?

It's leagues beyond the IJN tech, but it's still one ship.

And knowing the Japanese command mentality, unless the dudes on the cruiser put their foot down, the high command would probably make them go on some asinine mission that the US would catch, decrypt, and maneuver around.

>>33425533
It doesn't have to be everywhere at once, just sink about 20 US carriers.

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>>33425366
>The mighty Iowa Class Battleships are known for their heavy armor, yet their bank vault-like conning towers were possibly the most blatant example of how over-engineered these vessels were so that they could take a brutal beating and keep on fighting. These armored inner-bridges were massive steel cylinders that rose three stories high, from deck three to deck five. Deck three’s conning tower compartment was used by the Admiral and their staff. Deck four’s was used as the primary navigational interface for the ship.

>>33425562
Which will prolong the war and oh look, now the USN has twenty more carriers. And they're all capable of holding 120+ aircraft.
Oh, and a fuckton of smaller carriers as well.

gg no re Nips.

>>33425576
>oh look, now the USN has twenty more carriers
Oh look, 20 more carriers sunk.

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>It's another "alt timeline WW2" episode
At this point I suspect all these threads exist solely for Kancolle/GuP/StrikeWitches dump

That said, how do you fags feel about moe warships doing moe things?

>>33425477
You gotta realize that a hundred missiles is enough to break up any given raid of as many aircraft as you can imagine.

>>33425583
Except no.
Because no destroyer no matter how advanced can hold off 2500 aircraft that will no doubt be coming for its conning tower.

>>33425598
Implying the USN was capable of sending a 2500 bomber simultaneous attack that wouldn't buttfuck itself

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>>33425616
>you will never watch a modern destroyer spray its CIWS and RAMs at waves after waves of enemy biplanes trying to kill it.

feels bad

>>33425616
Okay then. How about ten 250 plane raids spaced an hour apart?
Or twenty 125 plane raids?

There comes a point where numbers will win.

>>33425590

>100 missiles

> Operation Ten-Go
> 386 US carrier based aircraft
> implying they can't send more

Hopefully the destroyer has plenty of cover and reloads.

>>33425637
You sound like someone who's never read an account of a WW2 naval battle. The scenarios you are proposing are about as realistic as an Atago-class traveling back in time.

>>33425639
>destroyer detects aircraft at radar horizon
>change course
It's that easy.

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>>33425025

It kills everything in its path for a short period of time until it runs out of missiles/ammunition and then America wins the war like it never even existed.

>>33425942
5 year supply of non stop supplies

>>33426110

>requires a caveat of hammerspace supplies to not just run out of fuel or ammo

>implying some IJN captain won't just commandeer the supplies and spread it around on his ships or something

if you're going to go that way you might as well say that Japan has an unlimited supply gate for five years.

>>33425025

An Iowa could eat its missiles and blow it to smithereens, though it will probably highlight the imporance of missiles /and/ heavy armour and lead to the creation of the arsenal ship in this new timeline.

>>33425401

They're active guided. Assuming the Japanese could still scout with relative accuracy they would be intertially guided to the target location and use active radar homing for terminal course correction.

Maybe if it wasn't crewed by bitches, took part in the Battle of Midway, used Arrow of Sagittarius properly on Guadalcanal, preemptively sank the Wasp or got word out about oil at Daqing earlier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlFuZf3T32k

>>33425186
If you don't already know, you don't have the need to know.

>>33425240
Lol no. Send back a submarine.

>>33425025
Checkmate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Final_Countdown_(film)