So I am finally going to make the plunge and buy my first gun.

>>33418810

an AR-15 is cheaper than all of these and more accurate. I have no idea why you would get one of these as a first gun unless you live in a cuck state that bans them

>>33418810
Buy an ar15.
Better than a mini14 in every way.

The Mini 14 is a fine gun, don't listen to the aspergARs cases.

>>33418833
>>33418832
I don't know I just don't really want an AR-15.

>>33418850
Literally the only difference is the furniture

>>33418850
If you've got the cash to spend twice as much on half the gun then go for it. Mini-14s are pretty aesthetic, I think they're cool. I'm only telling you this because it's your first gun and I don't want you to feel like you wasted money. You could literally buy an AR-15 and a 9mm handgun for the same price as a Mini-14.

>>33418850
That's fine. The mini14 is a serviceable weapon.
My ar15 is far from my favourite gun but given your list of uses an ar15 fits them much better and cheaper than a mini.

Also

>proprietary mags

>>33418873
This is not true at all.

>>33418810
As the owner of an M1 Carbine they would certainly be a great first gun. Recoil is nothing, weight is nothing, they are just overall a huge load of fun to shoot. Ammo will be a bit more expensive and your local shop probably won't stock much, but you should be ordering ammo online anyway.

>>33418873
Wat

>>33418810
M1 Carbines are cool, but the magazines are a pain, the 30 rounders are known for misbehaving.

The Mini has much better magazines and also cheaper, more versatile ammo.

>>33418832
Because it's a cool gun that's good enough.

>>33418850
They're genuinely great rifles, but not everyone is gonna like one.

>>33418873
And action.
And gas system.
And magazines
And sights.
And everything else.

>>33418810
I had a Mini-14 and I personally didn't like it. It's still a great gun though. If you like the ergos and how she looks, she should serve you well. As for me, I traded mine for a Windham Weaponry AR and I have no regrets.

If you are just "thinking" about hunting, stick with the mini-14.

If you are for real going to get some deer tags and go hunt, then get the mini-30.

>>33418810
The M1 carbine is magically light. Like seriously I don't know how they do that shit. Just wish ammo wasn't so expensive.

>>33418810
Ditch the M1 Carbine from your list.

It's two only benefits are that it is 1) muh historical 2) light weight.

The rest of it's properties are nothing short of cringey level frustrating for modern shooters. I know guys who have one. No one of them has any use for it for hunting or precision plinking, ever.

>>33418810
If you are really stuck with the idea of a straight wooden stock, then Mini-30 of those.

You mentioned hunting. It's the least embarrassing of the ones in your list regarding hunting, due to a decent selection of proper hunting bullets in 7.62x39. Those rounds will stop the game but not shred the good meat.

>>33422843
Could it be? Universally good point anyway.

>>33422843
You can get the Mini-14 in .300BLK if you so desire, which gives you more options for magazines.

>>33422943
It is amazingly light and handy.

>>33423045
.30 Carbine isn't a bad performer, but the carbine has aged some.

I think it would be cool as tits if someone made a shortened down AR15, like seriously the same kind of bolt and gas system, then scaling it down for .30 Carbine (to cut weight) while retaining as much AR15 parts commonality as possible (for cost).
Doesn't come factory with any railed fore-end (it'd still fit), just lightweight MagPul plastic and a 14.5" pencil barrel with a pinned flash-hider.

I think it would help compared to the Carbine's kind of lackluster accuracy, and giving it a new magazine design, helping with reliability.

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>>33423129
>I think it would be cool as tits if someone made a shortened down AR15, like seriously the same kind of bolt and gas system, then scaling it down for .30 Carbine (to cut weight) while retaining as much AR15 parts commonality as possible (for cost).
>Doesn't come factory with any railed fore-end (it'd still fit), just lightweight MagPul plastic and a 14.5" pencil barrel with a pinned flash-hider.

>Bubba thoughts, after a few shots of 'shine
>another M1 Carbine goes down the Bubba-do
>the result: Bubba'd
>introduced at /k/ in an appropriate thread at some point.

>>33423118
>Hunting
I don't know about deer but 556 soft points will drop 80kg pigs no problems.

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Get a Ruger AR556, 700 ish and more customizeble, comes with a telescopic stock.

>>33423756
those are more like 450-500 these days

>>33423806
Well they are a pretty good deal either way

Compared to an AR15, the Mini14 is less customizable. Ruger brand magazines are more expensive. Off brand mags are unreliable. Also, minis are less accurate out of the box, you need a barrel strut in most cases. Most scope mounts are shit.

>>33423519
All the Texans we've heard from use bonded boolits for hogs. Hornady TAP is a favorite.

Any one of your options are fine.

I might go for an M1 for the history cool factor.

The Mini-14 for the handiness and common ammo. Good looking gun.

The Mini-30 for deer maybe.

These were my thoughts between 1994 and 2004.

Today I own none of the above and have several ARs.

>>33423244
>design a new carbine from the ground up based on an AR15
>durrr cut down an M1 and stuff

>>33423872
>you need a barrel strut in most cases
No you don't, only on old 180 series rifles with pencil thin barrels.

And even then it's 'acceptable' as long as you're not looking to do lots of magdumping.
Barrel struts won't even fit on current Mini-14s and they don't do anything either because the barrel doesn't exhibit excessive flexing and whipping.

Stop perpetuating fuddlore that hasn't been true in 10+ years.

>>33423519
three or four I guess.

>>33424046
And that's the Bubba-do right there.

>>33418810
Just get a ruger 10/22 first. It's very cheap to buy and use. You won't be dissapointed. A fantastic starter.

>>33424210
>Shoot pig once in chest cavity
>It runs 10m and dies.

14.5 inch bbl 55gr soft point. Only one shot is necessary without resorting to aiming for CNS

>>33418810
I love my mini, but I should have bought an AR first. so many perks to having an AR. get the mini later man

>>33418810
SKS

>>33418973
Ammo ballistics are revolver tier is the M1's problem. They are fun guns to shoot.

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>>33425380
That, or a fucking ares furnitured AR.

Fuck you OP get an AR.
We live at a time where the NRA got what they wanted and banned almost all import of nice foreign guns, all that's left here is AR's and more AR's. No reason not to get one.

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If you want a fun shooting rifle go for it. If you want an optimal defense rifle though then you are much better off with an AR15 and spending the extra 200 on accessories.

Honestly though It's not as cut and dry as it might seem. I fell for the AR15 meme, and while I love having it as a defense rifle and find it extremely accurate and effective, I don't really find that much enjoyment out of shooting it a lot. At indoor ranges it's extremely loud, even with earpro, and leaves lame looking .22 sized holes, but also extremely accurate. I move the carrier all the way to the back, shoot a group and the bullets are all in the red zone with me barely even trying, meanwhile I feel weird shooting it from a bench as that's clearly not what it's designed for, and it doesn't drive tacks the way a glassed out bolt gun does. Guess I could have fixed that by sperging out on a free floated cold hammer forged 20 inch barrel and all that shit, but I rarely feel compelled to shoot more than one box of ammo when I bring this thing to the range.

What I did do was buy a cheap .22 with some glass at a pawn shop that I can take along with it and plink away for another hour after I'm done shooting the AR.

So yeah, consider getting an AR and a .22 to go along with it. You'll have a more practical rifle and something to scratch your plinking itch and give you more trigger time for a better price.

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>>33418810
Get the Mini-14. If it was good enough for Him, it should be good enough for you.

>>33418810
I'm going to agree with most of the other people here and tell you to just get an AR-15, especially if you're serious about wanting to be able to use it defensively if the need arises. More importantly though, as your first gun you're going to want something you can care for easily and customize as you figure out what works for you.

AR's are easy as hell to clean, and don't require any disassembly aside from cracking the upper and lower apart (just watch some youtube videos on doing this).

Furthermore, as a new shooter you're going to be figuring out what you like for sights, furniture, and trigger out of a gun. For optics on an AR the sky and your wallet is the limit, and you won't be stick with a particular set of iron sights if you don't like them or want only some kind of reflex sights. Similarly, if you feel like a foregrip, just grasping the barrel shroud, or any number of angled grips work for you that's your choice. Finally, if you realize that you really don't like your stock trigger there are replacement ones that can be installed with little more than a punch and a rubber hammer.

My point is, get the gun that you can make perfect for you, not one that may or may not shoot as good as it looks.

>get an AR
>get an AR
>get an AR

Every fucking rec thread.
Fuck off already

>>33427445
>all that shit clamped onto the rifle
Why are white supremacists always so retarded?

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>>33430128
Because it turns out he was raised by a single parent and was really kind of dangerously autistic.
For instance, he has body image issues and got plastic surgery to make his face more symmetrical, which is why he has such a fucking creepy look to him.

This is also a guy who thought wanton destruction and making martyrs out of a bunch of defenseless socialist dipshit teens (fish in a barrel basically) would be in his ideology's favor for some reason ("What do you mean 'Hearts and Minds'?")

Here's his rifle, pay attention to a few things:
>the stock isn't actually polymer, but regular wood, he just painted it black (note that it's not hard or bothersome to get tactical furniture or polymer for a Mini-14 in Norway, it's a reasonably popular rifle)
>the fucking manlet bayonet, holy shit
>holosight + magnifier, not actually bad conceptually but Jesus it's so aesthetically out of place
>"Gugnir" autistically etched onto the sling (on his Glock he had "Mjolnir" scratched)
>grippod, which, unlike a lot of guys, I don't actually hate as an idea, but again it looks so horribly wrong on this rifle
>big chunky laser sight
>on the other side is a big chunky lamp
>also he thought you could fill the tip of bullets with nicotine and that this would make them extra deadly

>>33431157
I notice also that his rifle has a tapered barrel (meaning it's made after 2006), yet it also seems it has an AccuStrut, which is entirely fucking superfluous on his rifle, as they're for improving the bad accuracy on the old rifles, so here it's doing nothing but add weight (but maybe he thought it looked cool).

>>33418810
I really like the Mini-14 and I only had to pay around 500 for a brand new one.

>>33418810
>mini-14
Decent ranch rifle.
>mini-30
Actually a PITA--doesn't like steel-cased (which is 80% of x39) and uses less common magazines.
>m1 carbine
Would actually be my vote. Fairly capable at shorter ranges, handier than the other two. 15-round magazines are a nice in between ground if you're afraid of being labeled a mass-shooter. To be fair, modern semiauto rifles are VERY common. A lot of shooters, (especially younger) have one or multiple.
>>33418850
That's a choice for yourself, I suppose. But a $500 AR-15 matches a Mini-14 and STANAG magazines are like $6 to $20/ea (depending on manufacturer/capacity/gucci features). Value-wise, the AR-15 is a better choice. Also tends to be more accurate and reliable.

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I understand not wanting an AR15, but Ruger Minis are just so fucking lackluster (and have a shitty as fuck company history). Get an M1 carbine to satisfy your historic urge, but get a decent gun to actually shoot for sport.

AK, Vepr (RPK), Galil,...

Now that Bill is dead, Ruger is looking better and better, but the Mini14 is still junk compared to things of the same price.

>>33431177
>doesn't like steel-cased
Supposedly the currently made ones can handle it, but I've heard that replacing the hammer spring or polishing the bolt face can remedy that.

But there's also the Mini-14 in .300BLK

>>33431198
You'll generally spend a lot more for an M1 Carbine, one in good condition by a good company will cost like over $1000 sometimes, and the current Inland ones are, poor to say the least.

Meanwhile you can get a brand new Mini-14 for like $700 and it has more range, cheaper ammo, more common and reliable magazines, etc.

I'll fully agree though, Sturm Ruger improved momentously when Bill passed away. Clever fucking guy but WAY too fudd.

We can thank Michael O'Fifer for the last 10 years of improving the Ruger lineup, guy's done an amazing job running the company, bigger and better product lineup, no more fuddery (hicaps for everyone!), better pay and work conditions for employees, larger bottom line than ever (during the Obama scares they recorded new record profits each year), and they seem to come out with cool new stuff that their customers are actually really interested in a few times a year.

Really positive growth in general.

>>33431198
>but the Mini14 is still junk compared to things of the same price
I think they're honestly just holding onto it for the sake of tradition. They improved the rifles a lot but ultimately an AR is better, and I think it's just kind of understood that even if they kept improving the Mini-14 it would just not be as good as an AR, so trying to improve the Mini-14 in an effort to compete with the AR is a fool's errand, just let it be it's own thing.

I mean I can't think of any other reason than this line of thinking for them to stop improving on the Mini-14 and then pursue low cost AR15s on the level of the M&P15.

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So let's set the AR15 aside from a moment, we can all agree that it's a really good rifle, some would say the best (and I can largely agree).

But let's look at a current 580/581 series Ruger Mini-14 rifle, from it's own merits:
>works reliably, will eat any ugly-ass cheapo .223 steelcase you can feed it
>factory magazines are more available these days, don't have to look at dogshit third party mags if you want 20 or 30 round capacity, Ruger is cool about this now
>recoil is pretty light
>accuracy is good, average of 2 to 3 MOA out of the box, maintains it's groupings to average levels
>overall pretty strong build and is robust
>some people really like traditional curved stocks and/or wood
>racking the bolt feels really fucking ace, just like on a Garand, M14 or Carbine
>looks really sexy with a wood stock, sling, 20rd mags, flash-hider (available as factory option), and plastic oprod cover (pic related)
>available in .300BLK if you want to play the silencer game (this might be more relevant in the future depending on where the HPA goes)
>assuming you're not buying from a megajew, can be had for $700 or maybe even $600 for a basic model
>can be had unmolested in ban states and available in less fun countries

The only considerable drawbacks is that the action is really open to the elements (compare to how the AR is very well enclosed and even has a self-opening dust-cover), but lets be realistic here; do you frequently see yourself getting obscene amounts of mud in your gun? Do you live in a WW1 trench? Most people in civilian life (and police employees), will never ever have to worry about mud or dust getting in the mud of their action, it's really a very rare issue.

The other drawback is simply just this: the Mini-14 isn't AS GOOD as an AR15, but consider the fact that this doesn't mean the Mini-14 is a BAD rifle, it is not.

>>33418810
i would recommend the m1 or an ar15 my friend.
i bought a brand new mini 14 last year shot 50 rounds through it and then took it home went to shoot with it again and it wouldn't work turns out the burr on the firing pin got a lot of brass stuck in it. i will never buy another ruger this thing just sits around now. additional reason to buy and ar would be mags are fucking cheap and easy to come by mini mags are like 40 plus also only tapco and ruger make good ones. ppu makes 30 carbine 50 rounds for 20 bucks which i dont think is bad

I don't like AR-15s very much either OP. My mini-14 has has 1200rds fired into it without any misfires since october, the only issue I've had is actually with the 5rd ruger mags I got (tfw new york). I have 4 promags and they feed fine.

It's a fun rifle, looks pretty good with a wood stock or you can tacticool it out. Even if I didn't live in NY I still probably would have bought one, all of the scurry 'salt rifles I like are like $1800

>>33430128
Fuck that, why does he look like he's about to go scuba diving?

>>33418810
>Ruger Mini-14
>Ruger Mini-30
>M1 Carbine
>all except the m1 carbine have noticeable problems
>the m1 carbine is considered an assault weapon in some states
>no SU-16 or SKS

>>33434973
>M1 Carbine
>no noticeable problems
Except the 30 round magazines are janky as shit.

The current Mini-14 has no outstanding problems.

>SU16
Are you fucking shitting me? It's brittle and has a lifespan of maybe 10 000 rounds, the receiver is known for breaking from frequent magdumping.

The SU16 has only TWO, maybe three things as an advantage over the Mini-14, it's super light, but arguably too light, it's VERY cheap (unless you're in mapleland). It's only substantial advantage is that it takes AR mags, everything else about it is poor.

>SKS
Good rifle, but only 10 rounds.