Why were the Germans leading up to and during WWII, so ahead

>>33412623
Because we are a superior race

>>33412706
Please don't get this thread deleted. I want to keep this 100% /k/.

>>33412706
t.Ahmed

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>>33412719
Stop this shit right now.

>>33412623
The Germans were technologically successful bc they had a lot of Jewish scientists then they got all antisemitic attacked the Jews and lost everything now Germany might as well be Pakistan.

>>33412623
Because they had a useful testbed for tactical and technical innovations in the Spanish Civil War and the Italian war in Ethiopia.

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>>33412745
Fuck. Off.

>>33412762
That's a good point but the Soviets and a few other powers tipped their dicks in the pool in Spain as well and didn't come out of it with nearly the same sort of benefits.

Germany had a bunch of very smart people and a culture open to innovation. This is similar to the US. Most of what tripped Germany up was logistics (horses, field kitchens, etc.), fighting the entire rest of Europe plus Russia and the US all at once, and general Nazi irrationality like the whole "judenphysiche" thing.

>>33412828
Soviets also had Stalin and his clusterfuck of purges

>>33412828

Not with nearly the same fervor as Germany though. The allies mostly just sent weapons and a few people joined volunteer brigades. Soviet aid to Republican Spain was more substantial but like >>33412844 says most of the experience gained there and from the Winter War was lost when Uncle Joe decided to kill off almost everyone in the officer corps.

>>33412844
Fair enough I guess. So are you suggesting that we might have seen the Soviet adopt an intermediate cartridge, among other things, much earlier in the war/in the war if the purged hadn't have happened?

>>33412868
Idk, it seems a bit daft to blame it all on the purge and not on the lack of industrialization.

A big failure on their part was constantly trying to make bigger an bigger tanks. They should have just stuck with the Pz4 instead of putting so much resources into making new shit. Russians just made the KV1 and T34 in the fuck tons an it worked out fine. For every Pz4 lost so were 4 T34s. The whole blitzkreig into Poland mainly worked because of how suprising it was an Polands shit military. Their supply lines were super slow. When Hitler invaded Czech it was a gamble, as 3/4 of their tanks were light Pz2s and Pz3s.

>>33412917
The difference was that the Soviets could out produce them anyway so the idea of a bigger better tank in an effort to concentrate their resources makes sense. Compensate for lack of quantity with quality, the problem was that they lacked the production capacity after '43 to build the kind of quality they needed anyway.

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>>33412623
>Why were the Germans leading up to and during WWII, so ahead of the times in many regards?
The 1871 German unification had a huge degree of success with regard to consolidating existing military power. Regions that were once autonomously managed by independent arms developments were able to come together and compete for arms contracts post unification. Companies like Walther and Mauser gained the benefit of competition shortly before the turn of the century. Additionally, the Fascist system also has to be credited with fueling tons of money into military research in order to effectively give Germany an edge in combat against western powers. Without a doubt, the NSDAP was interested in fighting a massive war and prepared to do so with fervor. The Nazi military-industrial complex was really only rivaled by the US and Soviet systems, which only later adapted to German aggression. German leadership very wisely (at least initially) attacked individual regions which had military capabilities that were dwarfed in comparison to Germany. The long and short of it is that Germany had a serious head start relative to financially damaged countries like Britain and France.

After the Blitzkrieg, the Germans were able to capitalize on the immense amount of intellectual and physical capital that was captured from other countries throughout the war. Most of this was the ability to expand their production base to include raw materials and expertise gathered from Czechoslovakia, Poland, Ukraine, Africa, etc.

Germany's inventive capabilities are certainly astounding. However, equally as impressive in my mind is the ability of the US and USSR to very quickly adapt their economies to a 100% wartime focus.

>>33412882
you definitely would have as Polte had German/Russian cooperation in the 30s. in fact the round they created is essentially that round made for a Russian bore.

You can read about it in the extensive book "strumgewhr' good luck though, last one I saw was like $400. i'm hoping for a reprint.

>>33412735
t.Muhammad

>>33412990
>slavboos taking credit for the Stg 44 and 8mm Kurz
wew

>>33412623
The Germans during the build up period are interesting. They had objectively inferior armour to their planned foes in the Pz I, II, and early IIIs, at least compared to the Chars, Matildas, T-26 and BTs. Their small arms were also generally of equal waulity, with the exceptions of the MP-40 and MG-34. Yet, where the Germans truly excelled was in aircraft. The BF-109 was one of the fastest planes in the world, the Stuns was one of the best dive bombers, and the JU-88 and HE-111 were easily the best medium bombers of the early war. The reason for German success was in application of resources. The scwehrpunkt combined with combined arms offensive allowed them to defeat a superior France/BEF.

Which nations' top military minds were thinking about an imminent future war? The USSR and Germany. The USSR was caught pants down and had to abandon many of the ideas they were in the process of implementing, as did Germany. However, both powers were far ahead of the western allies in terms of forward military predictive thought. Interwar Russian military thinkers and writers generally came the closest to predicting how the next great war would unfold on the battlefield.

>>33413186
Interwar Russian military thinkers were incredible, but they got purged by the autistic Georgian.

>>33412623
In "Leadership: The Warrior's Art" that topic is discussed and explored. In essence it had a lot to do with the after effects of the limitations placed on the German Army after WWI. They were limited to a small force and therefore had to think outside the box on the doctrinal and tactical levels.

They way they raised armies also played a role. The German army raised units from regions of Germany and occupied territory and did their utmost to ensure that people never got split up from the unit they trained with in order to promote camaraderie and improve morale. They also had systems put in place that took the preferences of the individual soldier (with regard to job in the army) and facilitated interaction and trust between the enlisted man, NCO, and officer class.

Going back to the whole "thinking outside the box", the Germans practiced auftragstaktik--mission oriented tactics. In essence, the officer Class would give their general intentions with regard to the enemy and not only encourage, but expect that the junior enlisted and NCOs to exercise their own initiative and create their own solutions to achieve the goals set forth by the higher ups.

Granted, this is oversimplified.

>>33412623
They weren't all that, they just had a bit of a head start because they were going to initiate war and had advanced knowledge thereby.
But they weren't all that good. They would design every single part new for a new design rather than try to use off-the-shelf, existing parts.

>>33413773
Yeah, a (((Georgian))).

>>33412623
>inb4 hurr they used horses for logistics
Gee, lets just ignore the vast majority of the facts and stick to stuff that satisfies my wehraboo inclinations

You don't just get to "inB4 hurr" your way out of this one. Lack of motorization is a huge thing, and motorization was the only true technical revolution in warfighting forces of the inter-war period. Forces moving on foot are slow and prone to more casualties from mere movement and exposure, than equivalent motorized forces that can move via truck or APC. Unmotorized supply chains are pathetically inefficient.

In so many words, no u and fuck off back to /pol/

>>33412988
>German leadership very wisely (at least initially) attacked individual regions which had military capabilities that were dwarfed in comparison to Germany.
>which had military capabilities that were dwarfed in comparison to Germany
Assuming you are talking about CZ, shouldn't that be the other way around? Germany inherited a lot of strategic industrial capacity from the Czechs.

>>33413773
Incredible how

>>33412623
>inb4 horses
Go fuck yourself.
>radar
>navy
>amphibious operations
>heavy bombers
>Standard infantry rifles
>Intelligence
>Logistics
>Special forces
>Penicillin (PENICILLIN for fucks sake)
A short list of things they weren't better at.

In short, the answer to your thread is that all nations have strengths and weaknesses.

Neck yourself or end this stupid thread.

>>33414129
how well do you think germany would fare against a ussr that would not receive any trucks, arms or supplies from uk/usa etc?

>>33414392
Shush now, now he's going to go rant about muh glorious USSR/patriotic war

>>33414117
his last name was Jughashvili you cant see that name and say they arn't Georgian. also His accent was so thick it was difficult to understand at times.

>>33414473
>having a last name of a particular ethnicity means that you don't have ancestry or association with any other ethnicity
lel

>>33414472
Probably still lose, but Russia would get bloodied even worse than they actually did in the process. And there's the possibility that a weaker Russia would merely drive the Germans out and then make a peaceful settlement instead of going all the way to Berlin. Your military position and your negotiating position are closely linked, after all.

>>33414485
did you just ignore the rest of it to shitpost?

>>33414515
And had a thick Georgian accent too? Wow, you sure got me.

>>33412623
>Why was a nation in the grips of fascism that spent a decade building up their military have an advantage over countries severely lacking in nationalistic fervor?

Gee, I just don't know man.

>>33412623
short answer is that it relied on meritocracy rather than monarchies and took place during the depression when those monarchies were struggling to stay in power and the people were just trying to eat, long answer is too big a redpill for the kike supporters here to swallow

>>33414256
They made some pretty good predictions about what WWII ultimately ended up being like. It even leaked over a bit into period Russian cinema. Also, even tho many prominent military minds were purged the culture of the highest echelons of the red army was such that the whole "revolution in military affairs" thing actually was theorized well prior to it gaining traction in the west. The Soviet military leadership took one look at the Yom Kippur war and what themselves when they realized the West was basically Israel but much bigger and scarier. However, by then they sort of realized their current parity wasn't sustainable and the Soviet economy couldn't support the technical revolution required to maintain it.

>>33414990
>monarchies
Like the United States, the Soviet Union, France and Poland? Huh?
I think that redpill you swallowed was a little to old to be eaten.

>>33415684
>United States
in depression, like said
>the Soviet Union
busy overthrowing their monarchy, like said
>France
struggling to hold onto colonies (i said keep power, same thing when generalizing)
>and Poland?
busy overthrowing the government made up of elites (which is basically a monarchy when generalizing)

so what are you on about lad? kikes are evil, the world would be better off if we sided with germany and fought communism(a kike invention) like patton said at the end of the war, this is a fact

People tend to focus on the evil and crazy science Germany spent time researching, but you have to think about it, Hitler envisioned an entire world under his control, he knew he'd need power. So he pointed alot of his research into warfare.

Like, he was playing Civilization and decided he was only going to win by the war route, so he pumped all his research points into warfare.

>>33414013
MISSION
TYPE
ORDERS

>>33414346
>Radar
Was still new
>Navy
Was gimped after WW1
>Amphibious operations
They didn't need to
>Heavy bombers
Numbers over size, they weren't targeting just military, they wanted to cause destruction over swaths of land.
>Standard rifles
Fair point, they were pretty similar.
>Intelligence
It was hard on all sides
>Logistics
Yeah, they screwed up on that, rapid expansion does that
>Special forces
Special forces before WW2 were just spies, and they had those.
>Penicillin
wasn't mass produced ANYWHERE until 1940s

>>33412623
They were the only ones who knew what was coming.

>>33412623
Someone had planned all this from the beginning.

>>33417474
What?

>>33415838
The Russian monarchy had been dead for a while by WW2

>>33412836
Germans were not by any means "fighting the rest of europe."

They had the italians, spanish, croats and finnish on their side politically and/or literally, in addition to a lot of noncombatants, like switzerland and sweden. Many people they conquered were so dissatisfied with soviet rule that they were willing to join their foreign armies and fight for them as well.

>>33419517
Don't forget the Hungarians and Romanians.

But Naziboos often forget them because muh narrative.
Or they use them when talking about muh tolerance in the Waffen SS.

>>33412988
>>33413151
Basically, preparing for war when (most of) the rest of the world just kinda hopes it won't happen is bound to give you at least some kind of advantage.

>>33414129
>>33414346
Consider that germany's resources were sharply limited compared to the western allies. Motorization was not a technological issue, it was just a drain on industrial capacity and oil production they couldn't afford. They also had no use for a navy (still spent a stupid amount on it) or heavy bombers.

>>33412828
Commies in Spain were also huge idiots, and the international aid from other Commies did not help.
>Comintern says support government, but don't take any minister posts
>Okay now take minister posts
>Now give them up
>Kill other leftists for not being part our group, who cares if they're fighting the enemy
>Here's some guys who don't speak your language

>>33417266
>>Amphibious operations
>They didn't need to

what is operation seelow.

>>33412623
>in many regards?

Tbh, they were behind on more things than they were ahead

>>33412735
t. Tan German

>>33422632
A worse idea than barbarosa

bamp!

>>33412623

Despite all this shit, they still lost.

Twice.

They weren't. Germany was in a shit position until they took over neighboring countries and turned their infrastructure and industry into cogs in their war machine.

>>33419517
This. WWII was a clusterfuck, you had Russians in the Wehrmacht, partisans shooting at everything that moved, SAS troops in deep bumfuck Europe, colonial units from all over the place, etc.

>>33412745
>muh holocaust
>over 6 million
Kys

>>33425700
Do you also believe dinosaurs didn't exist?