Speaking realistically, will the AR pattern rifle ever be replaced

>>33401015
>look mom i posted it again!

>>33401015
>I think (X) is the epitome of everything. Nothing will surpass (X) in any amount of years.

This is what retards have said about many things throughout history. You know what usually happens? Technological advance comes along and fucks your whole statement up with things like better methods for cheap production, materials advances and help from computer modeling. Everything gets replaced eventually.

I'm sure people thought the same about the musket, moisen, enfield, m1, etc etc etc. Everything gets replaced. Old guns will be there, but new technology happens.

>>33401054
if that was the case, why hasnt anything close to an AR replacement even been proposed? All possible replacements are AR pattern derivatives.

>>33401072
muskets and old pattern rifles had firing rate and lethality problems. The AR is select fire and hydrostatic shock makes it 100% lethal

>>33401204
I guess it hasn't been that long yet.

>>33401015
AR and AKs are this era's flint lock. We'll be stuck with them for a century or two.

The design of both is so close to optimal, we won't live to see anything fundamentally new. Just minor refinements to both.

Cassless electrically fired rifles with massive capacity are next

>>33401383
....like in mass effect?

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>>33401383
Nope. Caseless is a pointless meme. What happens when you have a dud? You need to eject it, so you still need an ejection port. Caseless ammo has been around LONGER than cased ammo. Cased ammo replaced caseless, not the other way around.

>>33401383
Powered by dreams?

>>33401434
Would the case behind it have enough energy to push it out?

Well I imagine once technology allows us to store a vast amount of power in a compact space we may see practical hand held rail guns or even laser weapons.

>>33401383
>small arms requiring active cooling to work properly

>>33401383
what about the massive increase in heat build up you would get when you remove the heat-sink that is the brass case?

>>33402008
you dont know how caseless arms work. watch a video

>>33402041
New materials? Who knows...

>>33402008
The chamber pressure would skyrocket and the gun would blow up.

>>33401204
Because 60 years is shit-all as far as a timeline.

The next step will be cased-telescoping ammo, which will drastically shrink mag dimensions and necessitate at the very least a rehash of the design.

Step after that will be caseless, miniaturizing things even more.

Directed energy weapons are already in development, expect them to see widespread fielding within the next 250 years.

I wouldn't be surprised if 50,000 years from now either through evolution or augmentation humans (if we still exist in any semblance of our current form) will be able to just think people to death.

>>33402049
I think he means chamber another round while the first is still there, pushing the first deeper into the barrel. That's assuming the chamber and the barrel have the same bore diameter, which of course isn't the case with caseless ammo anyway. But even if you could do that, you'd blow up the gun.

>>33402060
You just went down the wormhole buddy.

As for telescoping cases that would be pointless as you'd just be adding air.

>>33402041
Potentially mitigated by a number of factors.
>radical change of propellants to reduce temperature of firing
>change of barrel alloys
>adding a radiative cooling mechanism (cooling fins, etc), although this will increase weight and bulk just like it did on the G11.

>>33402075
So why has cased-telescoping ammunition already been proven viable via tech demonstration (LSAT) and why is it being heavily pursued by multiple nations' militaries?

>>33402095
Because they need to justify their budgets somehow, and there isn't much else left to try.

>>33402116
yeah. About that.

You're wrong.

>>33402152
Time will prove me right. In 100 years we won't be using telescopic ammo.

Very expressive now but I could bet this will become common in 30 years.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nOIAlmvSvEo

>>33401408
Those are logistic's dreams, infinite ammo because you're shaving off 0.01 mm off an aluminium block and propelling it at 80% lightspeed.

>>33401204
>why hasn't xxxx been invented yet?

Because you're a faggot

>>33403726
yeah but is it even close to realistic

>>33401015
>will the AR pattern rifle ever be replaced as a service rifle? A hundred or thousand or fifty thousand years from now there's a good chance we'll still be using the AR

LMFAO! The AR/M4 is essentially a .22 caliber and should have been replaced years ago. It'll be replaced within 5 years.

>>33402060
I've never understood how case telescoped and caseless ammunition can work. How does the propellant on the sides of the round en up pushing it forward?

>>33405834
Containment

>>33402313
probably not. that will most likely never leave special units.

>>33405887
How does that work with the way bullets are rounded?

>>33402041
Liquid nitrogen cooling system built into the gun.

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>>33405910
pic related

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>>33405982
better pic related

>>33406038
My guess would be that the primer ignites the base of the cartridge (extreme left side), pushing the bullet forward enough that that the propellant only ignites when the bullet is already passed by. Then the chamber is basically just a pressure vessel

>>33402041
Magnets mein negger

>>33406170
That would make sense, but propellant burns pretty fast from what I understand. Maybe they have a special formulation that makes parts of it burn slower.

>>33401015
It will stick around for awhile, but eventually a better round will be developed and with it a gun suited to fire it.

>>33401015
The AR will keep changing little by little until it is unrecognizable as an AR.

>>33403726
Never understood why they didn't make the projectile effects of the guns in ME seem like they were actually going at 80% lightspeed. Always going so slow you could sometimes see enemies actually take damage from the hitscan before the lightshow hit them.

>>33406298
Powder burn rates vary greatly. Large magnum rifles with long barrels have very slow burn rates, while most pistol powders are very quick.

>>33406298
what you're talking about is more or less explosive geometry. because the ignition HAS to move from left to right, and to the right is the only way that the bullet CAN move it will take the path of least resistance and go that way. also the blast forces will be focused largely in this direction.

>>33402008
>>33401434
It's a lever action.

Also caseless fags get out it's 2017!

>>33406663
I can see that most energy would be to the right, but it seems that the propellant in front of the bullet would just slow it down if it adds anything at all.

>>33401434
>What happens when you have a dud?
Push it out with another round, of course!

>>33406434
Mass Effect guns muzzle velocity is 80KPS which is insane, in real life the projectile would instavape into plasma making a FUCKYUGE muzzle blast.

>>33402162
That's nice. Too bad OP extended his timeline to 50,000 years and beyond.

You must be a child or have the mind of one to be so shortsighted.

>>33401383
So rail gun

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>>33406762
No, its chemically propelled, electric primed caseless.

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>>33406693
Most of the actual caseless ammo that's been produced had all the propellant behind the ogive. Very little has been fully encapsulated in propellant (with most of those having a combustible binder up front for rigidity that provided little or no actual deflagration), and not even half the designs have been fully encapsulated period.

Also, when you consider most rifle bullets will leave the barrel in around 1.2ms but full powder burn takes around 3/4 of that the powder in front of the ogive hasn't even ignited yet.

Pic related.

>>33406818
>combustible binder up front
This makes a lot of sense. Thanks. Surprisingly hard to find explanations for this kind of stuff.

>>33406791
Replace cartridge with bullet and batteries than. Seems less practical

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There's already a superior alternative

Our military just can't swallow their pride and admit it

>>33401015

He does have a point. Until there's a huge leap in energy storage we won't be seeing rail/coil gun, or energy weapons for some time now.

>>33401204
>hydrostatic shock, 100% lethal

You're right, we achieved maximum disintegrator ray lethality when the venerable .223 was handed down from on high by Remington, hallowed be thine rust.

>>33407190
are you saying hydrostatic shock isnt real

>>33409150
>hit with 5.56
>body gets pulverized all over
That's not not what he's saying anyways. You just massively overestimate its lethality. You don't buy hydrashocks, do you?

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>>33401015

>>33401072
>moisen
that actually is more of a case of probably will be around for all time

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>>33406926
>muh rimless 30-30
I guess Russia couldn't handle the superior alternative either.

>>33406918
You don't need big batteries. A simple thermocouple could charge a capacitor for primer activation after the first shot.

>>33402060
>expect them to see widespread fielding within the next 250 years.
>expect
...How when I'll be fucking dead?

>>33405834
What I don't get is how caseless can make such massive weight and space savings. I ran the numbers and a shorter wider case does not even slightly explain it.

>>33412889
Oops, meant telescoped, not caseless.

I think the near future of ammo lies in the 5.7
Not exactly 5.7 ofc, but improved so that it's as small and lightweight but maintains same kind of power as, say, a 5.56x45

>>33401015

Probably not. If it is it'll either be the AR-18 or an L85A2, both of which are derivatives of the AR platform.

At this point, the only way intermediate caliber assault rifles are replaced is if there is a major change in how warfare is conducted.

>>33403726
its tungsten but okay