>JAPANESE WWII THREAD Time for some forgotten warriors.

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>>33400590

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why is everyone so oppessed with Europe for anyway?

the weather here is sooooooo much better.

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I always had a blast with the ending

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>>33400825
Japan will have it's revenge, mark my words!

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>>33400590
Jap guns were sexy as fuck.
Pity only the rifles actually worked...

>>33400825
>Oh, just a ronry weather plane, no reason to HORY SHIIIIITTTT

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>>33400590

This Jap .303 ripoff with lack of interchangeability.

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>>33400837
You guys keep nippin' our heels, go ahead and try

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>>33400590

Grandfather was in the 25th. Never talked about it much.

Also been to Lake Hamana recently where the only few Type 4 tanks were scuttled.

>>33400875

Didn't they try finding it in the lake last year? IIRC they failed to locate it

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>>33400849
>implying

>>33400915

They failed to find it. Still failed to find it.

>>33400831

People give the Type 89 a lot of shit but they always forget that the thing is from fucking 1928 when most countries (like us) were still operating FT-17 variants

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>>33400825
you'll get yours. just you wait, cheeseburger.

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>>33400938

It's a shame, a surviving Chi-To would be an amazing find

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>>33400999
noice get

Member the time Japs executed like 25 female Australian nurses by machine gunning them on a beach?

What's weird, is I hate the Japs a lot more than I hate Germans in ww2. I wonder why that is? Maybe I sympathize more or am biased because I'm white? They both did reprehensible things

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>>33401323
silly japs!
you're supposed to rape them first.

>>33401323
Because the Japs were literally worse than the Nazis.

>>33401323
Nope, I hate the Japs too.


Cool equipment though, Ki-61 is the most aesthetic plane of the war imo.

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>>33400590

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>>33401422
Why on earth was that picture taken

Also, I know the Japs had an SMG they issued in limited numbers, why couldn't the japs into SMGs?

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>>33401422
you die first, funny man!

>>33401452
Nambu 8mm wasa weak cartridge, and couldn't properly operate the blowback system.
Stovepipe central.
They also had logistical problems such as lack of raw materials, and using the Type 38, and Type 99 rifles simultaneously and getting ammo shipments mixed up.

They bit off more than they could chew and had to choose between mass production of rifles and ammo, or a shitty SMG that barely functioned.

>>33400590
>Look up 21st IJA division
>They were station in Vietnam and were colonizers
>End up joining up with Vietnamese people and their cause, defecting from Japan after the war and fighting the French and Americans
Neat.

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>>33401577
restless souls and all that
hope they had fun operating

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>>33401532
Yea, I read somewhere that the high commands mentality on what weapons to make and issue was "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" hence everyone got rifles and they made a fuckload of rifles

Was there any worthwhile Jap weapons though

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>>33401652
woodpecker was fuckin brilliant.

sure it was heavy, but damn was it accurate!

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>>33400862
Wait.. they developed 4 identical rounds that were not interchangeable.

How did they fuck that up?

>>33401707
Did this go on to inspire any modern lines of machine guns?

Like MG42 --> M60 kinda shit?

>>33401652
The type 99 (your pic related) I think was fine.

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>>33401761
um..... idk. but it was cool

>>33401707

It also didn't feed reliably due to its brass strip mechanism, and the fact that nips liked to oil their cartridges.
Never mind it's low ammo count
Only the Type 99 and 96 LMGs were particularly reliable as far as Jap machine guns went.

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>>33401323
I have a almost pathological hate for chineses and french's.

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>>33402083
Like almost everything in the japanese military of the 30's-40's, the Army and the Navy had two separate paratroop programs of their own, which has no relation whatsoever with eachother. Formation, training, equipament and etc, all differnt from eachother.

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>>33402121

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>>33402131

>>33402131
>Weapon canister
These niggas weren't smart.

>>33402166
In theory it was a great idea, allowed the paratroopers to be able to move easier and have a better jump, as they weren't weighed down so much, and it allowed them to have heavier weapons on the jumps. But in practice, especially in combat, it tended to go rather bad. Either the canister breaks open, falls into enemy hands, or you end up in battle with just sidearms. But, when it worked, it worked well.

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>>33400768
>t. never experienced serious high humidity heat

>>33401376
>implying

>>33402083
Why is that so?

>>33402145
Is that a shaped charge on a stick?

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>>33402166
Fallschrimjager did the same thing. They usually jumped unarmed aside from a pistol, or Mp-40, and a knife.

>>33403828
HAI!
It's called a Lunge Mine.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUqz5h2kmPY
Cool to see a thread for this. Something I've been reading and learning more about.
Japan is very underlooked in WW2. Same for Italy.

>>33404200
bloody beautiful plane
comfy song too.

>>33403828
>Is that a shaped charge on a stick?
Yep, but is not a Lunge mine as this anon >>33404092 thought. Is simply called "Pole Charge", it was a special purpose built artifact that would be used in a planned but never materialized airborne suicide attack of the Saipan airfield, in which airborne commandos would crash-land in the base and start destroying B-29's, until everyone of the unit dies. The book from where those images come from describe this thing in the following manner:

>a 2kg (4.4lb) explosive charge at the end of a pole; a rubber suction cup was attached on the top of the charge. Gripping the pole, the raider pushed it up under the B-29's wing, and pulled a cord to ignite the delay fuse.

>great grandpa fought in the Pacific
>he was at Pear Harbor, as a naval gunner
>ended up on a ship supporting the MUHREENS
>went ashore for the first time because unexplained reasons
>was onna beach
>told that all the Japs were dead
>so he delt safe
>ended up hanging out with some Marines and Navybros.
>they are sitting near some ammo cans with a makeshift table playing cards
>hear someone over a hill say "Oh SHHIIIIIIII-"
>followed by "YAMAMOTI NIGITI BUSHIDO BANNNZAAAIII"
>50 japs come over the hill. All get almost immediately shot to fuck.
>Great Grandpa was thrown a 1911 and he proceeded to fire it into the general direction everyone else was shooting in
>He went back to his ship and never complained about being on a boat again.
>the Japanese hid for nearly two days with no food or water waiting for the Marines to chill and people from the ships to come ashore.

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>>33404805
that's fuckin badass!

Were Japanese torpedoes on cruisers that much of an advantage? Their overall hit percentage seems pretty miserable

>>33401761
It was already a copy of the French Hotchkiss

>>33405165
What are those two industrial fan shaped devices above the DP turrets?

Could Japan have better optimized their shipbuilding decisions

>>33405207
Just my guess, but I think they are searchlights.

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>>33400590
> this thread

>>33405207
Spotlights

>>33405352
>>33405418

Thanks. That's what I thought, but I had second thoughts that they might be AA directors

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>>33402076
You could connect the brass strips together for substantiated fire so low ammo count was not an issue as long as you continued to connect the brass strips together. The oil used to lubricate the cartridges prevented harsh extraction that may rip the cartridges or add needless stress to the gun's internals. Is it a major issue with the gun, one could say so. Could you run the gun without it? You could but it would not be 100% reliable

>>33401323
The Japs were fucking ruthless in WW2.
Do a little bit of research on the way Enemies treated American pilots that were shot down and recovered. The Black cross Germans sported use to mean something before hitler fucked it all up.

>>33401323
>>33401376
>>33401411
>>33401414

Majority of the war crimes perpetrated during the war were by insubordinate behaviour; especially reservists for both the Soviets and the Japanese, even British and American (occupation-period). Prince Asaka's rape of Nanjing was considered insubordination because Iwane Matsui was overall commander, and Iwane Matsui seriously forbade it. While in the South East Asian campaign, navy troops were attached to army units but army commanders had no control over them.

But the majority of the Japanese commanders and troops generally fought a clean war. Iwane Matsui forked out money from his own pocket to build refugee camps and Tomoyuki Yamashita had a strict policy of "no looting; no rape; no arson" and took it to himself to personally apologise to civilians for his soldier's demeanour.

It's sad that World War II is the most 'black and white' viewed war.

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>>33400590

Curry Udon is a popular dish in Japan not only in civilian life, but in military life as well, however not many people know it's origin. It was actually introduced by the British when the Japanese were learning from the Royal Navy, which was the best at its time.

"As curry was introduced to Japan via British cuisine, it was originally considered to be Western cuisine. This Western-style curry co-exists alongside Indian-style curry, which has become popular since the increase in Indian restaurants in the 1990s. Western-style curry is influenced by stews mixed with curry powder, which were popular amongst the British Navy. The Imperial Japanese Navy adopted curry from the Royal Navy to prevent beriberi, and now the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force's Friday menu is curry."

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>>33400590

>>33400849
Ian's arguably an ijn-aboo and he thinks the
Lmg was good (woodpecker)
Pararisaka was cool
And knee mortar was brilliant
Lets not forget he has a Japanese sword

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>>33406100
Not just that, it should be said that their treatment of POWs and such during the Russo-Japanese War was praiseworthy, as far as possible, back in the day.

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>>33400590
Fug, this thread is literally jizz in my pants. I've been a military weaboo since I read "Samurai!" when I was 9 years old.

>>33404805
>butthurt rednecks and dipshits chastise the Muslim extremists for cowardly acts
Shit like this is why VC didn't get out of their tunnels
Its a waste of manpower
I mean props to the ijn, they probably have the meanest fucking determination if any ground force ever, but still, those tactics only seem geared towards killing, not winning

BOTE SLUTS

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>>33406441
DID SOMEONE SAY, "BOTE SLUTS"!?

>jap milsurp thread
>immediately devolves into vintage tentacle porn

never change /k/

>>33405877
Yeah, but you couldn't run the gun with it because the fucking lube turned dust and dirt into a nice gummy mess that caused it to jam.
Same with the Type 11.

Next you're gonna tell me 8mm wasn't a terrible cartridge or the type 94 wasn't a shit pistol.

It's a shame what happened to the Japs. They used to be respectable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIzPsjJrbRs

>>33401577
Check out the Indonesian revolution. When Japan surrendered, they still had a ton of guys in the Dutch East Indies. Part of the peace process was that they would use the divisions still present in the DEI to preserve law and order until Dutch troops and administrators could return from Europe, India, Australia, and the US (where they all fled to during the Japanese occupation). Indonesian nationalists clashed with them a bunch at first, but eventually conflict between the Japanese and the Indonesian population died down. The Japanese troops were pretty sick of war and just wanted to go home, so they generally didn't do much besides dealing with major crimes by executing murderers and rapists and the like. When the Dutch finally did arrive, a lot of them had spent the majority of their adult lives in Indonesia and were very sympathetic to Indonesian independence. Even today there are old Japanese veterans living in Indonesia who have adopted local customs completely, sometimes to the point of abandoning their old names.

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>>33407108
The type 92, had many dust covers and less areas for dirt to get into as opposed to the type 11. Many times, the Japanese even kept the boxes on the feed strips to prevent the rounds from getting dirty. According to reports, the gun was pretty decent. I cannot defend the type 11 for that was riddled with problems that even the Japanese soldiers hated it. I also cannot defend the type 94 for it was pretty bad, however, there exists no complaints from the Japanese about it. The Americans naturally complained about them upon finding them tho.

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I know it's not the greatest. The Type 11 is so cool.
I'd love a semi-auto version.
Japanese guns in general are really interesting. They may not be the best, but they were built with a different mindset and unique lineage that is worthy of respect. Too bad a lot of people just write them off entirely.

Wasn't the type99 lmg supposed to be pretty decent for its time?

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>>33408006
I agree for all its deficiencies, it is a unique and cool gun. It is from an era in which, creative ideas flourished and were not held back by tacticool faggots.

>>33400837
Jap here, you're retarded. Unless Parliament can stop being such old fashioned piles of shit that continue to blame animu and mango for declining birth rates instead of their own dumbass laws that's preventing people from marrying or having "happy families," then we can start talking about rearming Japan into Asia's #1 military.

>work to death mentality is a troubling thing in my country
>retirement age is 65
>bringing up a kid costs a lot of money in Japan
>owning a house kinda expensive, small apartment is expensive
>the father would come home late, probably drunk, not enough time with family
>wife and husband would probably argue the fuck out, divorce eventually

Something like that... basically the idea is that due to Japanese mentality, law, or work environment, being single is a better option than marrying and having kids?

Last time I heard, Army, Navy, and Air Force don't really like to work together even by today, but I could be wrong. We, the Japanese, haven't learned a single thing since WWII ended, perhaps?

Listen, I'm just some Leaf born Jap. A lot of my info may not be accurate so take it with a grain of salt. Regardless, I think Japan would only fight as a "Support Role," in regards to any future conflicts. We're not ready YET as a primary fighting force in any conflict. Our current weapons are made for DEFENCE, NOT ASSAULT. Take that into consideration.

>>33400862
Army and Navy hated each other before WWII or Sino-Japanese war even began. You know you already lost the war when the Army made subs for the Navy which were not compatible with their torpedos. Also, weapons from the Army could not use ammo from the Navy and vice versa with each other including Air Force. Logistics were a total nightmare for Imperial Japanese Military.

We didn't get our priorities straight and we didn't evolve our tactics or thought of Plan B and C. We didn't listen to those below our ranks and management was a mess etc etc.

>>33408276
>You know you already lost the war when the Army made subs for the Navy which were not compatible with their torpedos
That's petty as fuck top kek... can i get a source for that? I'd like to learn a bit more about this

>>33408276
Which weapons were incompatible?
Never heard that, only that logistics had to supply both the 6.5x50 ammo and the 7.7 since both were commonly used.

As far as I can tell the Army and Navy rivalry was due to demands. The Army wanting men and materiel for the war in China, and the Navy wanting it for the Pacific. Caught in the middle is the limited Japanese industry trying to feed both forced and fronts.
Then there was heavy disdain between the officers of both branches, and even squabbling within the IJN over things like carriers/aircraft vs battleships.

>>33406100
You seem pretty knowledgeable. I want to know something. How would you provide your argument for events such as Nanjing. The Japanese Nationalists of today use the "safety zone argument" and say "oh this and that information is not clear enough, how are you so sure that rape or this murder happened?"

There's also arguments pertaining to piles of bodies next to a river but those were the doing of CPC or KMT of Chinese people trying to flee by boat or something. And by the time the Japanese arrived, the blame was put on them for the piles of dead bodies. I particularly found this article interesting, but other than that, I don't know too much about the whole Nanjing Incident: http://apjjf.org/-David-Askew/1729/article.html

I do have to agree that both the Japanese and Chinese concentrate too much on numbers and particular events restricted to Nanjing Incident only. Hopefully I can learn something from you or learn new viewpoint, anon. Thanks.

>>33408305
There's a FB group by the name of "Banzai!" There was a discussion pertaining to it. I forgot the specifics, but I wouldn't be surprised if that happened. There was no unity between Army and Navy back then because after WWI and/or Russo-Japanese war ended, Army was like...
>"Fuck off Tojo, we don't want anymore wars and we are not invading China!"
>We're leaving the military!
>Tojo recruits Nationalists and those that shared Tojo's views into Army

Mind you, this is a very basic understanding of what happened pre-WWII.

>>33408311
I think it was something on the lines of the ammo used by Army is somehow not compatible for the Navy, or parts incompatibilities between both weapons. For example, a machine gun made for Army has no parts compatibilities for a machine gun made for Air Force or Navy.

>>33408276

>retirement age is 65

That's the case in America too in the best of cases. And it might be the diminished expectations of future generations but to a millennial like me I think of 65 as great for retirement because for our generation it'll 100% be 70 (Since it's already supposed to become 68 for a lot of western countries by the 2020s).

Yeah you have the Europeans with retirement ages of 60...but they have the same birth rate problem. Now the workaholic mentality is definitely a huge issue and a distinctly Japanese one.

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>>33408480
Well, college fees are expensive. I know by that age the kid of the family should have a part time job by now, but let me tell you pay isn't that great in Japan and you're kinda fucked if...

>a) you're the workforce of your family, the father
>b) the company you worked for with good salary one day goes bankrupt due to whatever circumstances it may be
>c) having to work 3~4 "random jobs" to sustain your family
>d) having your salary downgraded to "part-time" once you hit age 65 in which both father and mother may have to work hard to pay for your college and future or whatever

Please note I'm also helping out the family as well, I'm not some dumbass liberal who took gender studies for a major or anything. I'm more interested in higher paid jobs like Engineering. I want to repay my parents completely in the future, but we'll see by then. And yes, I have a fairly stable part time job to save up for college too...

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I should also mention something. I wanted to comment about it last thread, but I'll say it here while we're at it. A friend of mine told me a while back that the currently issued Type-64 for Secondary Line of JGSDF is actually based on ZB-26 of Czech Republic of all guns. Essentially, Type-64 Battle Rifle is nothing more than an "upside down ZB-26."

In terms of accuracy, it is said to be superior to M14 Battle Rifle, but the rifle is too complex and rumour/legend says it that it has a reputation to fall apart while in combat. Hence why, all issued Type-64s must have various points taped with electrical tape to make sure it doesn't fall apart. You're also not supposed to use the bi-pod because it's kinda delicate and useless to boot... I think? Yellow are the areas that it should be taped, in actuality it should be black tape.

>>33406100
What about the plan of 3's or whatever it was called?

>burn all
>kill all
>loot all

>>33409097
It's called the "Three Alls" or "Scorched Earth Policy." The fourth one is "rape all," apparently. Such "policy" only came to "international light" when a book in 1957 called, "The Three Alls: Japanese Confessions of War Crimes in China" was published. From what an acquaintance told me, those that were interviewed were apparently "brainwashed ex-IJA soldiers from Russian POW camps that got heavily indoctrinated by Communism during their stay in said camps Therefore, they developed lots of hate for Imperial Japan or Nationalism or something. Whether or not this is true or not, I have no clue.

Either that, or the book was written by Japanese Communists (which exists btw) and parts of it could potentially be lies. Again, I don't have any concrete evidence to put forth.

The issue with Japan is their mentality of "if it works for others or if it worked in the past, then we should do it too!" For example, why do you think we continued to use Banzai Charges or Kamikaze up until the end of the war? For Banzai Charges, it worked well during Russo-Japanese war, therefore we believed it would somehow continue to work in WWII. Such tactic supposedly only works well in Trench Warfare, WWI, but that era was long gone by the time WWII started.

We Japanese are only good at improving something that presently exists until perfection. It appears we don't have the capability to create something far exceeding current technology into something better, and same with tactics. I think this is an issue that continues to plague Japan even by today and for Asia as a whole.

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Another song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A75AQgDBtJI

japan will and is remilitrizing...china is forcing their hand. no matter what anyone likes they will have their time in the sun again. also did you know the japanese messed with suicide paratroop units towards the very end of ww2? only used them a few times but they were effective

>>33408839
So there Nipponbro, about the Type 64 rifle. Yes it was based on the ZB-26 except the Japanese opted to make it as cheap as possible. Also the 7.62X51mm was NOT NATO spec, it was 30% underloaded to both be easier to shoot, and to not beat the rifle to death instantly. As an American, I truly feel sorry about your military, and the lack of personal firearm ownership. To me, a nation of your size, and with China so hostile, Japan should have a conscript military. At 18, all Japanese males should serve at least 6 months in the JSDF. Also YOU NEED NUCLEAR WEAPONS. It will serve as the ultimate defensive weapon, NO nation will be willing to attack a nuclear armed Japan.

>>33409645
Tell that to the dumbass liberals that say "NO NUCLEAR, GO GREEN" or some dumb shit. Also, nukes are considered as "offensive weapons," I THINK. If so, we are not allowed under Article 9 which is stupid. Gib me my Tomahawk missiles and aircraft carriers reeeeeee!

And correct, 30% underloaded ammo because MOD thinks the typical Jap cannot handle a MAN WEAPON is I think partially the reason as well. Hence, why our standard issued sidearm is P220, which only has ammo capacity of 8(?) because MOD thinks P226 is too big for Jap hands. Fucking morons.

In regards to conscript, the thing is that China knows very well without Japan, Chinese economy will sorta collapse. Furthermore, even if China wins the war, their economy would be fairly "crippled" as for any country post-war, no? Also, China is not as rich as USA is, so I really don't know if they have the luxury and money to go to war. A country's success is determined by economy after all.

>>33406436
whats the zero?

>>33409760

the A6M fighter plane, usually known as the zero

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>>33409245

>33409735
>Tell that to the dumbass liberals that say "NO NUCLEAR, GO GREEN" or some dumb shit. Also, nukes are considered as "offensive weapons,"

Yes, let's greatly increase military tensions in Asia-Pacific. This is a great idea.

>>33409097

The origin of the 'Three Alls' policy was counterinsurgency, similar to the way the British handled the Boers during the Boer war. This involved removing villages that were prone to being in conflict areas and areas that were sympathetic to Communists. The specific aim of the 'Three Alls' policy was to target "enemies pretending to be local people", as the Chinese military doctrine involved masking of military forces as civilians, or the use of civilians as deterrents against Japanese attacks. That was the general policy at least.

The reason why its gain such notoriety is because of the name, and the inevitable (I'm not denying) war crimes that did arise from this policy.

>>33409813
You mean like South Korea's THAAD? China is the master of excuses... Korea similar and Japan to various or some degrees as well. I know I may be biased, but that's because I'm Japanese at the end of the day.

>>33409896
The issue with THAAD is its ability to detect missile launches. And that sort of ABM (which always has an initial response disproportionate to its capabilities, for example something like 100 warheads were dedicated to suppressing Moscow's ABM which intercept maybe 1 or 2 warheads), is nothing compared to putting nuclear weapons minutes away from China which will very likely force them to move away from a no-first strike policy, and certainly increase the alert level of those strategic forces.

And what did Japan gain from this? Fuck all.

>>33404717
>delay fuse

Knowing the Japanese line of thinking, I'm somewhat amazed they weren't expected to just hold it there...

>>33402121
The navy and army leaders had several cases of assasinating each other as everyone was involved in powerstruggles and sucking up to the emperor.

>>33406339
>Good
>Low rate of fire, fed by short stripper clips and jamming like all hell
Guess that's what goes for "good" in IJA.

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>>33400849
Excuse me?

Why have I never seen any pictures of the IJA's class A uniforms?

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>>33410131
idk wtf u saying, have some of these

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce2kCmHtDQ0

>>33410327
WWII Imperial Japanese Army dress uniforms. I don't think I've ever seen them.

>>33405010
Long Lances were actually pretty damn good and one of the best weapons Japan had in the war. One of they huge issues though is that due to their fuel being super Oxygen-Enriched Air, they had a tendency to catastrophically explode when struck from even small caliber weapons.

During the Taffy 3 Incident, the Escort Carrier USS White Plains with it's Single 5" gun scored a hit on the IJN Heavy Cruiser Chokai that detonated 8 of her Long Lances torpedo's. Killed the ships Rudder, Engine and large structural damage that forced it out of formation and later bombed then scuttled.

Overall Long Lances were a a great weapon when they worked but also proved a huge double edged sword in allowing IJN ships to be massively damaged from lesser capable ships if they manage to strike them.

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>>33410492
You mean like the one in the bottom left of this image?

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>>33410572
Gonna put the rest to pump the therad.

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>>33411177
And that's it.

>>33409645
I think for Japan to be threatened wouldn't they have to worry about SK? Japs could prob rest easy until that happes, so if and when China fights through SK and the US in SK Japan will probably be ready and CHina would probably be bled to fuck

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>>33400862
>>33401748
It's not as big of a deal as people make it out to believe. Japan wasn't retarded like Italy.
The rimmed 7.7 (which is just .303) was only on aircraft MGs and captured SMLEs (pic related).
The two rimless rounds could be used in both rifles and in the Type 99 LMG, it's just one round had a heavier bullet set up for the LMG.
The semi-rimmed rounds were all packed on strips for the Type 92 with their own supply chain. Just like the British with their BESA MG. Just because it was in 7.92 doesn't make it a problem because they had their own supply chain.

It's nothing, really. It's like complaining that the Americans had a .30 carbine round that can't be used in the Garand.

>>33401577
>>33407746
Look up the Chinese general Yan Xishan. He convinced a good number of Japanese troops to fight for him after Japan surrendered.

>>33408408
>I think it was something on the lines of the ammo used by Army is somehow not compatible for the Navy, or parts incompatibilities between both weapons. For example, a machine gun made for Army has no parts compatibilities for a machine gun made for Air Force or Navy.
Mostly the IJA and IJN used the same small arms, in fact it was the IJA controlled or subcontracted factories that made them. That's why you see the IJN trying to make their own rifles like the "Naval Special" type 99.

Some guns like aircraft armament may have been different, but that's a completely different thing.