Thinking about getting the Ruger LCR .38 as my first gun/CC.

getting a 101 for the option of .357. otherwise good call

>>33344943
They aren't pleasant to shoot, so making yourself practice enough will be a struggle.

>>33344948
What's the point of .357 out of a 2-3" barrel?

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>>33344962

>>33344986
I'm asking because I really like the look of snubbies, but at that short of a barrel, .357 doesn't look like it has any advantage over 9mm.

I really loved my LCR in 357. The gun did have some nasty bite when you shot it, but if you aren't a woman or a manlet you won't have a problem shooting 100+ rounds per practice session.

>>33344990
the more i learn the more i realize i don't know, but. my thinking was if i needed to get some meat to eat i would be better off with a .357 than say a 9mm

>>33344990
think it matters more what you do on a day to day basis than anything. i live where i see bears almost daily. therefore .357. if you lived in a city i would advocate a hi cap 9mm.

>>33344990
It doesn't, all that powder doesn't have a chance to burn. It'll be loud as a motherfucker though. Don't waste your money shooting .357 out of it

any evidence on muzzle energy of .357 vs .38 out of short barrel?

>>33344943
I hate ruger triggers. I'd take a Smith and Wesson any day of the week over it.

>>33344986
>>33345050
> snubby .357 for bears
Buy a .44 magnum or bigger if you're actually worried about armored rape bears. Otherwise you're just wasting your time and money.

>>33344943
It's gay.

>>33344943
>Enclosed hammer
>5 shots capacity
>Plastic crap

No.

>>33345085
.38 is shit, remove about 30% for snub

>>33344943
whats the consensus on revolver loads for 38spl on this fine jurian silk board?

>>33345822
Seconding this inquiry. I feel pretty good with .38 125gr HP +P's in my LCRX.

I like it.

I'd go with the .38. Less blast and recoil.

It's a "get the fuck off me" type gun. Don't overthink it.

>>33345776
Lrn 2 shoot fgt. D/A is superior

>>33345822
>>33346018
I use Lehigh/Underwood ammo "Xtreme Defender" or "Xtreme Penetrator." Depending on then situation. There are some good ballistic tests on YouTube.

>>33344943

I like mine alot.

I've CC'd a few different snub revolvers and its by far my favorite. Its got fairly mild recoil compared to scandium framed S&W revolvers and the recoil impulse isn't particularly unpleasant. Its the only snub nose .38 that I put a couple boxes of ammo through every time I hit the range. With other airweight revolvers I would usually just shoot the ammo that I carried in with it after a couple sessions getting familiarized with the gun. They can be really unpleasant even for experienced shooters just because they will beat the shit out of your hands.

While I don't think its the best first gun it definitely has its merits. Its extremely reliable (mines approaching 10,000 rounds with almost no maintenance) and extremely simple to operate under stress. Literally just have to point and pull the trigger. No slides, safeties or anything like that.

Don't get a .357 though. Been there, done that. So have other people that I know.

>pro-tip: nobody will actually practice with one enough because they are fucking horrible to actually use

>>33344986
Yeah, .357 out of a 2" is 9mm. Out of a 3" it's .40 S&W. Neither of those beat bear spray. With .357 it's 5" minimum, just like cocks.

>>33344943
I like the design, feel, and trigger of the Ruger LCR. That being said, it is just too light to me.

>>33345822

I use Hornandy Critical Defense because I can never find enough Gold Dot on the shelves to actually practice with.

I have the LCRx with the 3 inch barrel and larger grip and love mine. I have a S&W 642 that I sometimes carry but like the Ruger much better. I also belive the LCR trigger is nicer the the Smiths.

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>>33344943
It's a good CC gun, though I'll highly reccomend starting out with something else for a first gun, the LCR is Double-Action Only and has a small grip, so it wont be the easiest for a beginner.

They do make the LCR (X3 I think it was) with a longer grip, 3" barrel and exposed hammer, not quite as easy to conceal (though it's still pretty slim), but it'd make training much easier, and it could work as a stepping stone towards the regular LCR.

>>33344962
Some particular loads exists which actually makes good use out of the barrel length, but honestly for a light and small gun like this I genuinely think that Specials is the easiest option.

>>33344986
>snub
>bears
Yeah, no. Unless you're scaring off a blackbear with loud bangs that's an outright atrocious idea.

>>33344962
Literally nothing.

>>33344943
It's not a bad gun but get in 9mm with moon clips.

>>33344994
You really don't get the best worth of most off the shelf .357 with a snub barrel m8, all but specific defensive loads wont do much beyond acting like +P .38

>>33345050
You could have a .44 Magnum and a snub barrel would be the worst idea for bears. You'd need at least 4" to work with reliably, and even then I'd suggest some Underwood XTPs (the cross shaped copper things) to get really good penetration.

Black bears are easy to scare off with just a harsh tone of voice, but brown bears you do not fuck around with.

>>33345822
There's some really fucking fine defensive ammo that's ideal for a small and light gun like a snub.

>>33346063
DA is all well and good, but sometimes it can be good to SA

>>33344943
>as my first gun/CC
My friend told me *not* to do this since it's not a newb-friendly firearm.

>>33346552
They make the snub with the hammer spur as well.

>>33346624

This. Pretty sharp recoil, long and heavy DA trigger pull. Slow reloads.

>>33345610
You've never shot an LCR then. They have amazing triggers.

>>33345776
Lcr-x?

>>33344986
fucking no guns faggot

>>33347303
Can confirm, I'll only shoot my SP-101 in SA, but I'm seriously considering a hammerless LCR b/c the DA trigger is so smooth.

.327 mag seems like the way to go for hammerless.

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>>33344962
>>33345085

it's still a good deal more potent than a 38 special even out of 2" barrels, the question is, is it worth it to shoot .357 out of a 10 ounce snub. Center fire cartridges just work better in short barrel handguns so the goofy 9mm airweights might be on to something.

The LCR has a fantastic DA trigger and nice rubber grips but it's still close to the lightest revolver you can get. I'd be happy if they put that type of trigger pull on the GP100's because for some reason they gave their .22lr version a stupidly heavy pull weight.

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>>33344943
Go with 357. Remember to practice safety and discipline.

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The LCR rattles a bit in my pocket, something I knew about but hadn't really considered for CC. Does anybody ever ask you, "Hey Anon, what's that little rattling sound you're making?" I'm not sure if it's something people won't think about or if it's a distinctly gunnish sound.

>>33348908
Shit tier infographic.

>>33350463
wouldn't worry about it, there's countless non-gun things people keep in their pockets that rattle (keys, change, lighters, knives, etc.)

>>33344943
They're fine. Best small revolver I've ever shot and certainly the best for the money.

I'm a big fan of the crimson trace grips for it, consider those.

>>33352015
Would you recommend the 9mm over the .38? Which is more comfortable to shoot at the range?

>>33350463
Anything with a transfer bar rattles a little.

>>33350463
First gun or new to carrying?

Nobody is paying attention to you that closely.>>33352505
>>33352505

Either for the range.

9mm moons can be faster than a speed loader. Unless they get bent a little in your pocket and you can't reload at all.

>>33344943
The LCP is lighter loaded than an LCR unloaded.
90gr 900fps 380 vs 110gr 900fps 38, I'll take the lighter, smaller, lighter trigger, and higher capacity LCP.

>>33348457
That chart is completely useless because it shows the extremes and means of each cartridge instead of lines for each ammo tested.

>>33346091
Your mom calls me the xtreme penetrator

>>33344943
Anon, CC guns suck to shoot. Shooting is a skill like any other, if you don't practice you're out of practice, but it's going to be absolute garbage and you are not going to enjoy yourself.

The nice thing about the LCR is you can work up low power handloads to acclimate people to the firearm, but it's not worth it.

>light
>small
>sufficient for self defense
>pleasant to shoot
>aesthetic
pick three

>>33346091

Federal .38 special +P HST
Hornady .38 special HP XTP

These look like the best loads for a .38 snubbie.

If you want an LCR, buy it. Its one of the most highly regarded small frame snub nose revolvers available.

Does it really matter what these mongolian basket weavers think?

We've proven over and over that caliber doesnt matter given access to good bullets. (no .32 and .25 dont count, they're garbage)

>>33344943
So many non-Ruger owners/shit fanboys in this thread. I know /k/ slowed down with that shit a few years ago - sad to see that it has become so prevalent again. People talking about shit they don't own, let alone actually have shot.

>>33344986
>>33344990

Snub nosed revolvers are not the go to weapon for bear defense.

You want at least a 5" barrel for many many reasons.
1 you
2 can
3 actually
4 aim

>>33344943

Given the choice, I'd get the LC9s every time.

From that gun, there is no real advantage to the 38 +p over the 9mm +p

but the 9 has a little more capacity and hides better ( more comfortable).

Revolvers have a little more redundancy in case of fail to fire, and zero problem with fail to eject, so take all yer numbers and calcumalate them into an answer.

There is no wrong answer, because training is far FAR more important than equipment, as long as the equipment isn't garbage

>>33353535
>You want at least a 5" barrel for many many reasons.
>1 you
>2 can
>3 actually
>4 aim


Thats actually pretty smart. Given that whatever you're firing at can be killed with whatever you're shooting with, placement remains #1 again

who would have known, You actually need to aim these fucking thingsa

>>33344943
1. decide if you want to appendix, hip, or pocket carry
2. choose firearm by getting your list together and going to a gun range and actually holding the guns, and trying the rentals out
3. you will easily decide which you want that way

Really, the only thing you would be asking us is if we own said firearm and have had any problems with it failing in some way. I think Rugers are fine and own 2 of their handguns. I just bought an LCP II yesterday and shot 300 rounds through it. Snappy but perfect for pocket carry for the summer so I can actually wear just a t-shirt and shorts. If you like the LCR go rent one. If you like how it feels and how it shoots, get one. Congrats on going ahead and getting a self defense piece as everyone should nowadays.

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>>33344943
I got me a RIA m206 for CC and my dad ended up buying it from me to give to my mom. I love that thing, however my model was double action only.

Presently waiting for my second to ship as single / double.

>>33355077
OP didn't say he was a poorfag.

Those things are heavy and not rated for +P

>>33355077

I traded mine in...fucking hated the grip.

>>33357102

Rude, not him but they're solid little guns for what they are. I held one at the gun store and it felt better than the Windicator in MY opinion.

Also, .38+p vs .38 isn't much of a difference really. I'd feel perfectly fine carrying pure .38 special wadcutters

>>33357498
I think they're pretty dope. Remind me a lot of the old detective specials, but I wouldn't buy one to carry it.

>>33357562
Then you just don't know any better.

>They think that .38 +P and .357 Magnum have the same performance in a 2'' barrel.

Ah yes, the old "there is no appreciable difference in power between .38 +P and .357 out of a 2 inch barrel if both rounds have identical bullet weights and are fired out of the same gun because the short barrel makes .357 lose all of its power" argument. In case you all were not aware, this is pure fuddlore that is easily disproved by simply using a chronograph.

The reality is that a 125 grain .38 +P out of a 2 inch snubnose barrel averages ~840 feet per second, while a 125 grain .357 out of a 2 inch snubnose barrel averages over 1250 feet per second.

There are very good reasons to not use .357 in a snubnose, but "it only has the same power as .38 +P out of a two inch barrel!" is not one of them.

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>>33344943
Why use a revolver? Horrendous trigger pull length, "more reliability" is just a meme, less capacity, they are way wider than an automatic (and therefore less comfortable to conceal), and they take forever to reload.

Get a Glock 43, PPS, Shield, LCP, or Sig p238 you scrub

>>33358508
Post the guns that you own with timestamp.

What are the laws about cocking the hammer if you need to use it for CC. Are the laws the same for racking the slide on an automatic?

>>33358508
>Trigger is far safer than a semi-auto, the LCR is known for its good trigger (actually way better than a shield)
>Far more reliable, no FTE malfunctions
>Large ammo selection, similar capacity to guns its size
>revolvers are sexy

No gunz detected.

>>33358924
Revolvers are sexy. LCRs are not sexy.

>>33357562
I'm not saying the Armscor is useless, for it's price it's agreeable, but it's a far cry from a Ruger.

>>33358508
Maybe he just handles revolvers better?

Like, preference matters a lot, many (including myself) would argue that 9mm Luger is a more versatile cartridge than .45ACP, however, that doesn't mean .45ACP doesn't work just fine, and since it has a different kind of recoil compared to 9mm Luger, some people just handle it better.
Some like the grip and balance of a revolver much better.

Basically you're a shitchucking faggot; anything centerfire larger than .32ACP and with a capacity of 5 or higher is generally good enough for 99% of all defensive shootings (a rare thing to begin with).

>>33358659
I have heard dumn fuddlore about "Dun cock da hammer!" but it basically comes down to:
>how will they prove it
>how does it matter
>many guns are not double-action so cocking the hammer is necessary for function

It's just an old wives tale, cocking the hammer, having a laser or grip tape on your gun, nobody has ever been convicted by something like that, what people get fucked by in investigations like these are

>you accidentally pulled the trigger (manslaughter)
>you executed the guy as he was surrendering/running/incapacitated (second degree murder)
>what actually happened was that you planned to shoot some person and then tried to make it look like self-defense (first degree murder)
More often than not, people who get fucked in court over an alleged SD shooting were either fuckups, or what happened was actually legit shady.
If you kill someone in legit self-defense, the prosecutor is actually desperately grasping for straws when bringing up your gun or your ammo. Ask a defense laywer after reading this by the way.

And if ANY of you fuckers start quoting Massad Ayoob (who is NOT qualified to give legal advice yet frequently does), I will fuck your waifus.

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>>33359035
>Opinion intensifies

I love all revolvers regardless of color, faggot.

>>33359317
The cocking the hammer thing comes from an old courtcase where the defendant was convicted of negligent homicide b/c he admitted he didn't intend to shoot his target, and had the hammer cocked.

It is Fuddlore as far as SD goes, but it won't help you if you ND someone (looking at you /k/)

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>>33344962
To piss off ballistics data hoarding spergs like you

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>>33344943

No.

Get a first run 640. All stainless. No sintered metal. No plastic. No porthole. "Horrible trigger pull" is a meme. All steel means it can be slicked and lightened like a mofo...

Wouldn't use it as a primary, but it has advantages others don't - you can shoot all 5 rounds out of a coat pocket without having fabric or whatever cause a stoppage.

Fastest draw is the one you don't make.

>>33359482
My point exactly, unless it's manslaughter or premeditated, it's %100 irrelevant.

>>33344962
So anons can bring up "he was shot 5 times with .357 and survived" memes in caliber fight threads.

>>33359738
Shot placement matters and handguns are largely mediocre stoppers.

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>>33344943
>Any thoughts?

I don't have one but I think they're neato, kinda like a Glock revolver.

If I were to get one, I'd get the .22 as a camp gun.

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>>33348457

I don't see 10mm Auto there.

>>33360249
.357 out of a 4"+ barrel is an exception

Out of a 2" barrel it is high recoil 9mm

>>33360271
sneks BTFO

>>33358377
No, it's not fuddlore. It's just bad science, and in all fairness your opinion on the opposite end of the spectrum is just as unfounded. You can't just generalize a cartridge like that and expect it to hold up 10/10 times.

Yes, you can absolutely beat 357 with "+P" 38 Special in a 2" barrel. It all depends on the powder selection, which is complicated enough in a real barrel and is made hell to model with a cylinder gap.

Take the NAA 22 pistols. The NAA-22LLR with its 1 5/8 barrel will match or even beat (depending on the 22LR) the NAA-22MS/NAA-22MSC with its 1 1/8 barrel. One might think that 22LR in the NAA-22MSC would beat them both due to the cylinder gap being more forward, but it doesn't.

My point is that while you can always load 357 hotter than 38 special, you can load 38 Spl +P to beat some 357 loads. It's a lot harder to do in a revolver though, again due to cylinder gap.
>The reality is that a 125 grain .38 +P out of a 2 inch snubnose barrel averages ~840 feet per second, while a 125 grain .357 out of a 2 inch snubnose barrel averages over 1250 feet per second.
I chrono upper 900s with an LCR and 125gr +P from Buffalo Bore, and the gap closes with lighter bullets. I'll freely admit that you will almost always get more momentum out of a 357 LCR than a 38 LCR, but when the 38 is $100 cheaper and the 357 doesn't really kill any better it's just not necessary.

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>>33360330
Don't you dare derail this thread faggot!

>>33344943
I have the 9mm version, it's awesome. That being said get the 9mm.

>>33353371
>lighter
>smaller
>harder to hold

>>33358272
>buht, you NEED at least a 9mm for CC!
>ignore all the people killed with less than that
>show my guns? What guns?

>>33360690
>intentionally being underprepared
>admitting to being no gunz, but still posting your opinion

>>33344943
Why not lcp?

>>33360403
Also, the recoil is insane.

The argument isn't that .357 is weaker than .38+P, it's that it's less efficient.

38+p can already be snappy out of a 1 pound revolver, and .357 typically has 3x the recoil. But your only getting about 50% more kinetic energy.

>>33360403
>Yes, you can absolutely beat 357 with "+P" 38 Special in a 2" barrel. It all depends on the powder selection, which is complicated enough in a real barrel and is made hell to model with a cylinder gap.

I am comparing commonly available factory loads from major manufacturers, not handloads or boutique ammo. A .38 +P made by CCI, Remington, or Winchester is always going to be weaker than a .357 Magnum of the same bullet weight by the same manufacturer.

>My point is that while you can always load 357 hotter than 38 special, you can load 38 Spl +P to beat some 357 loads.

Do you think you can achieve that kind of performance with no deleterious consequences? If a .38 +P surpasses a .357 Magnum of the same bullet weight in performance, it means that the .38 +P has been loaded in such a way to allow it to surpass a .357 Magnum in performance. It is doubtful that you would be able to do this while still remaining within the SAAMI recommended limits for .38 +P, which are very low.

>I chrono upper 900s with an LCR and 125gr +P from Buffalo Bore, and the gap closes with lighter bullets.

See, that's exactly my point. The Buffalo Bore .38 +P, which is the hottest and most powerful commercial .38 Special loading available + costs $1 per bullet, is still weaker than your generic and inexpensive Remington SJHP in .357 Magnum when fired from the same gun.

>>33361427
>Also, the recoil is insane.

It feels comparable to firing a full power.44 Magnum out of a 6'' gun to me. I can understand why many people would find that uncomfortable, although, as with a .44 Magnum, I also think it's something that most people are able to handle with some practice.

>38+p can already be snappy out of a 1 pound revolver, and .357 typically has 3x the recoil. But your only getting about 50% more kinetic energy.

I'd like to hear your explanation of how 50% more kinetic energy somehow translates to 3x the recoil. I think Issac Newton would too, for that matter.

Jokes aside, though I get your point. As previously stated, .357 Magnum in a snubnose is something that requires specific practice in order to use well in a real-world situation.