Hey, /k/. I'm in a bit of a dilemma. I live in an area

This will be my only bump. Here are some more details.

I am going to buy the gun on monday. Both will be about the same weight, both are capable of taking black bear and moose, and both are at about the maximum level of recoil I can handle comfortably.

The real question is, will one of these calibers be unsuitablke for the conditions I mentioned above?

>up to 300 yds
>heavily forested
>mountains and shit

cost IS an issue. I don't like buying something that will be irreplaceable, and I don't like paying $5 a shot. but it seems with the flora around here that the cheaper option will be less functional.

If anyone has any experience with both of these, that would be helpful.

>>33341605
45-70 if you like fun and lever gats

.308 if you're part of the modern fudd movement on /k/

>>33341650

I like killing things.

>>33341650
then buy whatever the fuck you want that shoots bullets anon. It's all gonna kill things dead.

>>33341731
meant for >>33341720

>>33341388

Youre gonna have a rough time shooting 300 yards with 45-70

>>33341388
What Marlin has a 9 round magazine for .45-70? I have the 1895 GBL and it's only 6+1.

I have an AR-10 as well, and the .45-70 is decidedly more fun to shoot. (point .45-70)

I reload ammo for both, and the .45-70 is simpler to reload, but the initial price of .308 ammo is significantly lower. (point .308)

I assume you're wanting this as primarily hunting? Not looking for taking on the US gubmint or any kind of make believe SHTF scenarios? If that's true, then this is definitely a harder decision to make. I'd say go with the .45-70 because it'll still do what you want (it'll be tough making 300 yard shots, but you should be confident hitting a large target within 200 yards)


Basically what >>33341731
said. Either one will do fine, i just think lever guns and decidedly lever gun cartridges are way more cool and fun. Ammo price bing the only detriment. Maybe .30-30 instead?

>>33341739

I want what will work thwe best. .308's can be unreliable in brush but .45-70 is hard to find and expensive. I just want to know what EXPERIENCED people think, anon.

>>33341776
Both of those things are fudd lore anon.

If you want experience opinions why are you on a himalayan gote milking forum?

>>33341760

thanks. I didn't know the .45-70 was unreliable at 300 yards. That's a big factor.

yes, just hunting.

for my make believe SHTF scenario, I'm going to get an M1A. when I have the spare change floating around, anyway.

>>33341776
what >>33341791
means is that both will do the job. .308 doesn't have a problem with brush, and .45-70 is not hard to find (although it is more expensive).

You won't find answers here, only opinions. Because they are both good choices.

>>33341731

The .308's biggest advantage is it is a faster flatter round. Though I'd say you are better off with .30-06 or .300 winmag as they can load heavier bullets which are better suited for big game then the .308. Yes they kick harder but have the advantage of bigger heavier bullets.

The biggest thing is the ballistic trajectory.

at 300 yards .308 only drops about a foot, while .45-70 drops nearly 4.

>>33341791

I hope that you are often reminded of how stupid you are, anon.

>>33341828
Exactly.

>>33341835
>>33341731 aint OP friend

>>33341837
read >>33341837

>>33341821
>planning on getting a battle rifle in .308 later

I would definitely recommend getting a .308 now, then.

This thread's probably about to unweave into madness. Good luck, OP.

>>33341828

opinions are good. That's why I'm here.

>>33341853

.308 2+ points so far

not looking good, marlin.

.300 win mag my friend. You can handle it.

>>33341851
the higher rate of twist in a .308 and smaller mass will cause greater deflection when impacting obstacles because of the action of the angular momentum forcing the projectile on a tangent. typically the rate of twist of a .45-70 is half that of a .308.

hick.

>>33341851

Sorry friend, clicked the wrong one, obviously it was meant for the OP.


.45-70 is a great round, but its not the round for long range.

>>33341917

thought about it. pricey but common. also, typically long barrels in heavy guns. wouldn't wanna carry it 15 miles. thanks though.

>>33341388
45-70 can and will reach out to 300 yards with at minimum acceptable hunting accuracy.

45-70 lends itself to cast bullets (for handloading) much better than .308 so if you start reloading, it is something to factor in.

Heavily forested mountians and shooting 300 yrds though "plants"? First you arent shooting 900 ft through heavy forest. Second dont shoot through brush at animals. Learn to hunt. Anyone can shoot.
To answer your questions, neither would be my choice. Like others have said get a 30.06 or .300 win. Id go with .06. I sold my .300 win. Found that it got left at home while i took 338 win.
If you are just starting hunting get a 30.06. Never go wrong with one

.308, it shouldn't even be a question unless you're going to suppress your gun. [spoiler] or you just want a fun gun [/spoiler]
>Higher velocity
>Better ammo availability
>Lighter to carry spare ammo for
>Better armor penetration (.308 AP fucks everything up)
>Greater distance
>Inherently more accurate
>Cheaper

>>33342358
.30-06 is a meme round, it's like 30% larger than .308 and performs AT BEST 10% better.

.45-70

Just more fun all around.

It will shoot fine at 300 yards. You just have to learn how to aim it. Which is part of the fun.

>>33342629

.30-06 is far from a meme, yes it is bigger, but for hunting its is a great round when loaded hot and heavy and has a great range of loadings available. Everything from sub caliber high velocity rounds to heavy hunting rounds.

A very versatile cartridge that has a lot of availability and many rifles built for it.

.308 Winchester isn't a bad round by any means, but we aren't looking to save fractions of an ounce when we take a rifle into the woods for hunting. We are looking for a round that will do what we need and in a lot of cases will do the most for the least money and in a lot of cases, the venerable .30-06 does this just fine.

>>33342805
The difference between .308 performance and .30-06 performance is negligible, despite the massive weight and size difference.

Of course it'll still kill shit dead, so will .40 s&w. Doesn't mean it's not a meme round.

>>33341388
>.308 winchester or .45-70 government

Simple: .300 Winchester Magnum

>>33341388
What two guns are you looking at as well? What is your price range?

308 would be a better all rounder. 45-70 would be a niche gun in a sense. It looks like you are sold on the 45-70 though.

>>33343010


The difference doesn't come in until you get to heavy bullets, the .30-06 can throw a heavier bullet then the .308 giving you a little more flexibility with what you can do with it.

>>33341388
8mm Mauser and roll your own rounds.

Heavy (good penetration) better accuracy than a 45-70, better guns than the 45-70, and it's about the same lever of availability as 45-70.

It's a nice middle ground and you can load via stripper clips.

If you're looking at medium to large game at 300 yards, I think that eliminates both 308 and 45-70. I'd do 300WM or 7mmRM or 375H&H

>>33341388
>lever guns be fun as shit
>with that brush clearing capabilities
>but ammo costs a fuckton even with reloading
>and if you get into a clearing, you can't have good reliable range

I'd go with the 45-70. The brush is going to be consistently high enough that it could be good for you to have. Get into reloading and have something to do while watching movies at home. You'd get an extremely reliable, well made gun. And if it's cost is low enough for you to consider it inexpensive, then you can certainly buy some reloading equipment.

>>33341757
You just have to understand where to hold. Or get a scope with .45-70 trajectory tic marks

.338 Lapua Magnum.

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>>33341388

...30 carbine

>all these replies

and not a single mention of a The glorious Mosin Nagant

>>33344852
can you even hunt with 54r? it's weaker than .308 isn't it

>>33345194
>yes
>no

>>33341388
Pre "freedom group" Remington model 7 in 260 Remington.

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>>33341388
I have one of those 1895CBs with the 9 round mag. Get a sling for it and I could see it being a very good hunting rifle in the conditions you describe. I've been able to put 4 shots in a quarter sized group at 50 yards with 300gr hunting rounds and it has those buckhorn sights designed to make it easy to account for bullet drop over range. Would definitely recommend.