Why CC a revolver? Why CC a more modern semi-auto? Genuinely

/k/'s reasons are a mix of:
>reliable
>option of bigger boom
>fudd

>>33323034
>but man, revolvers are pretty cool IMO

As cool as they are, they're obsolete for the most part barring maybe J-Frames. If you insist on carrying a revolver over a handgun, just understand what you're trading off.

Luckygunner has a ton of good info on revolvers for conceal carry. Their youtube page has a ton of info on them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_hF-C1Dl_0

>>33323034

When it comes to compact semi autos vs j frame revolvers. Revolvers win in this regard.

If we're talking like a Glock 19 vs a Smith and Wesson 66, then the Glock is more practical once we start talking about medium sized handguns.

I like to carry very small and light so an airweight revolver for me is the perfect carry gun for ME in my opinion. Especially since I live in very hot weather and I can't conceal properly with a t shirt and IWB gig.

For home defense though, I do have an 8 shot .357 magnum with a 5 inch barrel ready to destroy any nig nogs or Jose's who go bump in the night.

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>>33323034

>>33323120
>I like to carry very small and light so an airweight revolver for me is the perfect carry gun for ME in my opinion. Especially since I live in very hot weather and I can't conceal properly with a t shirt and IWB gig.
What exactly is it?

>>33323120

I meant to say SUB COMPACT semi autos.

You're getting 5 to 6 rounds in a small pocket revolver, of .38+p which is better than the pocket semis where you're shooting. 25, 32, or 380 and also getting around 6 rounds.

Not to mention more reliable and less prone to being pushed out of battery in a struggle

>>33323137
did all the 5.56 shitposting in the recent week cause this guide to be made?

>>33323150
hopefully

>>33323137
holy shit, the autism.

>>33323139

The smith and wesson scandium body guard .38 laser combo.

When the weather gets a bit colder I can and do carry a 19 IWB especially if I know I'm going to a bad neighborhood to visit a friend

>>33323034
They don't make .45 Colt auto loaders.
Not pistols, at least.

>>33323162
Cool thanks dude. I'll keep that one in mind.

>>33323161
>.380 fag detected

>>33323034
people like to overthink this a lot. whats more important is paying attention to your surroundings. these days I wouldn't feel undergunned carrying a revolver, but I live and work in a rural area. do what is best for you.

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my main reason for carrying a revolver is because i ride a bike and it just goes with my "style" lots of chrome very ostentatious in nature

>>33323301

What bike you ride? Obviously like a cruiser type bike I imagine. I only have a shitty 250 kawasaki :(

>>33323341
I got
>harley seventy two
>harley super low
>harley wide glide
>harley streetbob

Then for hondas
>street fury, wrecked (bought it off the guy super cheap)
>shadow phantom

>>33323341
Hey dude, if you ride a bike you ride a bike, i give all of my bikers nods,
Chinese rice burners
Harleys
Pocket rockets, you feel?

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>>33323034
Heres my CCW

u fkn mirin m8?

>>33323034
My buddy carries a lil snub nose 357 revolver. He loves it and apendix carries it. Its good enough and its compact if you are in a situation where you need more then that then ur proably fucked.

>>33323034
Because someone who CC a wheel gun knows how to make proper shot placement and isn't gonna be getting in a gun fight .

>>33323034
Other than simple machines like wedges and pulleys, there's basically no machine that mankind has ever invented that's as simple and reliable as the revolver. They don't jam or fail to feed - ever; when you need them to go boom, they go boom.

The revolver vs. semiauto debate boils down to reliability vs. capacity. The revolver is more reliable; the semiauto carries more bullets and reloads faster/easier. The thing is, in most self-defense situations, reliability is WAY more important than capacity. The vast majority of the time someone draws a firearm in self-defense, it never gets fired at all - the bad guy hightails it as soon as he sees the gun come out. When it does have to be fired, well, you'd either have to have shit aim or shit luck (and probably the former) to need more than six bullets to end the confrontation. Outside of actual war zones, extended, minutes-long, back-and-forth gunfights are pretty much exclusively the stuff of shit-tier TV cop shows. Street punks don't wear body armor, and self-defense confrontations pretty much always happen at close distances. One or two rounds, and it's over.

>>33323676
Thats what I like about 357, if u were to hit someone w 1 or 2 rounds only it would fuck them up more than half a clip of any semi auto would.

>>33323449
Wow takes me back to the "Got rice?" days.

I like both, im impartial imo.

Looking at both in terms of footprint and weight, equal length guns the semi will have a longer barrel. It will also weigh less and carry more rounds. Compare a glock 19 to same sized revolver, barrel is at least 1.5 inches different. Which makes 357 pointless on those snubbies.

Plus reload speed, although 99% of the time youd use a gun you wont get to reload

Then autists will say either the slide can get jammed by clothes or an external hammer can, and other stupid shit.

I would only carry a revolver cc if it had at least 4-5 inch of barrel, big caliber. But thats a big fucking revolver and negates a lot of good cc points. Anything less is inferior ballistically to semis.

>>33323736
>Anything less is inferior ballistically to semis. See >>33323137

Nothing comes close to a .357 even if you lose some velocity bc of the shorter barrel (which would be negligible).

My philosophy is, if ever I were to get into a situation where I need to physically stop someone from harming me I want to incapacitate them as quickly as possible (high caliber will stop them in their tracks) and I want 99.99% reliability.

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>>33323736
Check this shit out, 9mm vs .357 vs gallon jugs.

https://youtu.be/8O_bHR3BmTY

>>33323784
There is one of them otters now.

125gr corbon ballistics by the inch website, overall gun size the same:

9mm from 4": ~1225fps
357 from 2": ~900

9mm is clearly better here. I wouldnt carry less than +p, and fuck any caliber smaller than 9mm.

I own two 357s, but they suck from short barrels. oc with a 5" or bigger is great.

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Just want to point out in terms of reliability

Semi auto
> Assailant is in arms reach
> You miss 1st shot
> Grabs your Semi Auto
> Pushes it slightly out of battery
> Gun is disabled

Revolver
> Assailant is in arms reach
> You miss your 1st shot
> Grabs your Revolver
> Rotate your Revolver, load next round
> Gun goes off and puts down Assailant

Semi auto 0 vs Revolver 1

>>33323845
Assailant grabs hammer, 1-1

Fleck of shit gets caught between hammer, 1-2

Fleck of shit jams in cylinder, catches body, cant rotate 1-3.

An assailant can just twist the firearm and your bitch wrist will fold, cant hit them now. 2-4?

>>33323863
You = So salty

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>ITT: hardware circlejerking over actual skill based assessment

No matter how much of a scrub you are, .357 and a poor attempt to predict a gunfight will never take you anywhere like a handgun and skill will.

>>33323871
Lol no, called it here
>>33323736

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>>33323843
Git fucked @3min

https://youtu.be/yqDysouNjL4?t=185

my edc carry handgun and why i chose the 357sig
https://youtu.be/-VSiXCLilks

>>33323143
For me once it gets to pocket guns I don't really care about the caliber so much as I car about being able to get a good grip, so small revolvers are a godsend in that regard.

>>33323676
>They don't jam or fail to feed - ever;
That is objectively false and there is a reason revolver failure drills exist and you're ignoring a substantial chunk of the early revolvers that had plenty of issues

I have big and small autos and revolvers and carry them all, but my .38 J frame gets the most carry use by far. It's a true "always" gun.

If I was starting from scratch buying carry guns, knowing what I know now, I would buy in this order:

1st carry gun: .38 j-frame

2nd: 1911

3rd: Hi-power or CZ75

>>33323676
While I used to agree with much of this, that was before "wilding" and "HE WHITE! BEAT HIS SHIT" became an accepted phenomenon (seriously, fuck the police and politicians that let Daquan and his brother Dindu think they could actually pull this shit without getting shot)

6 rounds vs a large pack of dindus? No thanks.

Not even 15 rounds is enough for a mob. That's why I carry a full size pistol, and have 19 round mags.

I like revolvers. I like them a lot actually. But in my area (suburbs of a large city, 100% black areas less than a mile away) I can't assume any hostile contact will be one on one.

I've thought about getting a snubnosed revolver for back-up ankle carry though.

Since they don't eject the spent cartridge you can fire one from inside your coat pocket and not risk getting a nasty burn mark on your hand. That way if you find yourself being robbed at gunpoint or otherwise being threatened with an armed assailant you can take him by surprise. Might need to practice shooting from the hip first before you even try it, though.

>>33323034
Honestly people on here focus what's the objectively best and forget that things can be really good without being THE BEST. 5-8 rounds of .357 magnum is more than capable for self defense and if you really like the aesthetic and your confident in your shooting abilities, I'd say go ahead and carry a revolver brother.

>>33323439
Quick question brother, what would you recommend as a first bike? I've been looking at getting a Honda Rebel.

>>33323137
>Nothing about expanded diameter or penetration depth

Fudds pls go. Do people really still think that muzzle energy by itself is an accurate way to measure the effectiveness of a particular handgun round? Kinetic energy transfer isn't a wounding mechanism.

Dr. Gary Roberts would like a word with you. .357 is actually a lot less effective than people tend to believe. Most loads either overpenetrate without expanding or underpenetrate. Look up Dr. Roberts' data on various .357 loads.

>>33324866
The CZ 75 D PCR Compact is what I plan on getting for my carry gun.

>>33325446
Dr. Roberts is a 357 anti-shill who used under powered loads for his testing.

>>33325397
>>33325397
Not him, but rebels are fun as a first for a little while, but they're really underpowered and you wouldn't really be able to go highway speeds on them. I'd only get one if you don't have a lot of money and are deadset on a cruiser/don't really need to go outside of town on it, otherwise I'd say go for a used 700ishcc Shadow, or a 500/650cc sport bike like an SV650.

>>33323034
Fallout new vegas was good

>>33325584
During the early to mid 1980’s, like many people, I was duped by articles singing the praises of the .357 Mag 125 gr JHP. I carried a 4” 686 and a customized 3” M13 loaded with Fed 125 gr JHP. However, after going on active military duty and being in a position to test ammunition at the Letterman Army Institute of Research with Dr. Fackler, it became obvious that the .357 Magnum 125 gr JHP’s tended to have relatively shallow penetration, frequently fragmented with resultant decrease in permanent crush cavity, and had temporary cavities of insufficient size to contribute significantly to wounding. In addition, these loads had a large muzzle flash and blast, as well as a relatively harsh recoil which inhibited accuracy and re-engagement speed. As the FBI established a science based ammunition testing program, their research data also showed less than stellar performance from the lightweight .357 Mag loadings, including the 125 gr JHP’s. .357 Mag can certainly offer adequate terminal ballistics, however, there is a reason very few agencies issue .357 mag revolvers for self-defense/force protection purposes anymore. I personally would prefer a good service pistol in 9mm/.40 S&W/.45 Auto over a .357 mag revolver for SD/duty use. We don’t do much .357 Mag testing anymore, as it simply is not used by the folks we test for, however, in past years, like the other facilities noted above, in our testing the lightweight 125 gr and under .357 Mag loadings often had insufficient penetration, while the 158 gr and heavier loadings frequently penetrated deeper than ideal for use on biped opponents. To be honest, I no longer have much use for .357 Mag, always choosing a 4-5" .44 Mag revolver (wouldn't mind a .41 Mag or hot .45 Colt) for any back country purposes and preferring the "controlability" and reduced blast/flash of .38 Sp +P loadings for urban self-defense use in 2-3" barrel revolvers. (Cont)

The best modern .357 Mag loadings we have tested have been the Winchester 180 gr Partition Gold and loads using the Barnes XPB all copper bullets when shot from barrels of 4" and longer; the old Win 145 gr Silvertip works OK as well, as do a couple of the newer bonded loads.

For those individuals who doubt evidence based research and prefer “street results”, the CHP, the largest agency to issue .357 Mag 125 gr JHP’s on the West Coast, clearly reported significantly better results in their officer involved shootings after switching to .40 S&W 180 gr JHP loadings, based on officer perception, objective crime scene measurements, as well as the physiological damage described in the relevant autopsy studies. The CHP used a variety of .357 Mag loads, depending upon what was available via the state contract. According to the published CHP test data from 1989-90, the .357 Magnum load used immediately prior to the CHP transition to .40 S&W was the Remington 125 gr JHP with an ave. MV of 1450 f/s from their 4" duty revolvers. I first saw the data when it was presented during a wound ballistic conference I attended at the CHP Academy in the early 1990's; I heard it discussed again at a CHP Officer Involved Shootings Investigation Team meeting in November of 1997 at Vallejo, CA. The information reviewed the differences in ammunition terminal performance such as penetration depth, recovered bullet characteristics, tissue damage, as well as other physiological measurements and physical evidence detailed during forensic analysis."

From 2014

>>33325814
>>33325822
And I'm by no means anti-revolver; I just bought a 586 yesterday. However, unles you can shoot a .357 revolver as quickly and accurately as you can shoot a 9mm semi auto, you're placing yourself at a disadvantage by using a .357.

>>33323034
Rule of cool my man!

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>>33325814
>>33325822
Rickfags
>B T F O
>T
>F
>O

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The tremendous power of a concealed .357 revolver, even with its short barrel, is truly awe inspiring.

>>33325446
>Most loads either overpenetrate without expanding or underpenetrate

This sounds more like a problem with specific loadings and projectile choice. Liberty Ammunition, for one, is a hollowpoint that penetrates 12" of ballistic gel and also defeats IIIA armor. There are plenty of loadings out there that are effective.

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>>33325397
Bike guy here,

it all depends on how youre built my man,

if you're 5'6-6'2 get a medium sized bike, you could go up a size

if youre shorter than 5'6,look at the rebel or a harley forty-eight

if youre 6'3+ go with a big fucker,

bikers are like revolvers, they come in different sizes :) i hope this helped,


the rebel is a fine bike.
i hope you find what you like

>>33326546
That would be a super-sexy revolver if it didn't have READ INSTRUCTION MANUAL on it.

I wonder if the gun manufacturers know that there are a LOT of people will not buy a gun if it has fucking anti-darwin award shit engraved/stamped onto it.

>>33323166
Mmm maybe a shrunk down version designed to perfectly mimic the round but fit in a proprietary automatic colt pistol. Could call it .45 ACP

>>33324981
I'd argue most people, even nig nogs, would run away from a person shooting at them, even in a crowd. Nobody wants to be part of the group of people that take your first 6 shots enough to over power you.
But having more rounds is definitely better than having less especially if it doesn't bother you.

>>33326546
thats really good looking

>>33323676

Oh they jam alright. Albiet very rarely, but when it happens it's fucked.

>>33327859
It is a fucking pain to shoot. I was firing some hot magnums with it and it left my hand sore for over two weeks. Its super pretty though, and its really comfy for CC because of how smooth it is.

>>33328037
its a really nice piece anon, could you imagine a .44?

>>33328159
With that grip it would literally fracture bone.

>>33323034
depends on your sneak skill, what perks do you have?

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>>33328179

oh hell yeah.
but still, there's just something alluring to me about carrying a ,44 be it magnum or special

>Taurus tracker for a throw-away if i use it in self defense and the cops never give it back
>ruger gp100 .44 for bear country/backup
>charter arms bulldog so i really wont care about losing muh gun

>>33325425
I have notes for that stuff on my own edited version and you can too, there was just no room for it all on there plus ppl are gonna go by different metrics.

Just note that .40 penetrates about half way thru a human chest cavity.

>>33328239
Depends on the load. And even though people may use different metrics, the only ones that matter are penetration depth and expanded diameter. Should just post a link to this:
https://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/

>>33328179
Not if you aren't a pussy.

>>33323120
What airweight revolver would you recommend?

>>33328402
>1.5~lb gun
>44 magnum
>zero rubber for softening recoil

Nigga that shit isn't even up for debate.

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>>33328438
Did I fuckin stutter?

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>>33328438
I can smell your pussy from here.

>>33328435
Not him, but 442 Pro or 642 Pro.

>>33323034
.357 magnum is when stopping power stops being a meme, but generally speaking .357 magnum is only good when fired out of a 6" or longer barrel so a cc revolver is pretty moot.

>>33323034
Six shots are more than enough to kill anything that moves.

I CC a 3" .44 special sometimes just for fucks sake. Other than funsies I have no legit reason tho.

Anyone here CC a derringer? I obviously don't plan on using one as a main CCW, but it seems prime for pocket carry on occasion.

Pros/cons?

>>33324981
>I've thought about getting a snubnosed revolver for back-up ankle carry though.
Get a knife instead if your state (((allows))) you to.

>>33328964
Anon tells us he packs a full size 9mm with extra big clipazines and wants another gun on his ankle. I'd bet a handful of Tubmans he already carries a knife or two.

>>33326546
>tremendous power of a concealed .357 revolver
>2.25" barrel

naw senpai

Any thoughts on 135g ammo for .357 magnum?
Speer Gold Dot?

>>33328037
Really? Two weeks?

My 5' wife has that gun, good choice BTW, and we shoot quite a bit of magnums out of it. Neither one of us has ever needed two weeks to heal.

>>33328755
>not wanting to be on the right side of history by picking up the lightest non-meme stoppan powah cartridge, the 10mm

>>33323301
I've got a gun pocket cut too, but I never put it in there, as the nature of being even in a non 1%er club means that someone at some point, may try to take my cut in a violent action. So the thought of being disarmed in a fight is not something I look forward too.
Also
>Victory Hammer, and yes I'm mad they're out of business

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>>33329938
not to be rude,
but why would you let someone take your cut?
like a cop doing it or some hardass 1%er?
i can see the worry my man, maybe you are right.

it can be slow to draw now that i think of it.

>>33329938
also, pic of your cut?
i always like seeing a brother with some skin.

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>>33330122
>let
fights happen, mang
I've seen some nasty stompings, I try to avoid that stuff. It happens though. As far as cops, I've only been harassed by them in a few places, and that was right after the Waco shit.

I'm the youngest guy in this pic

>>33330212
alright fair enough brother,

nice shit you got going on.

>>33330242
Yeah, I was Navy, so I had to get that Navy Jack, which I think is more aesthetic
than the Gadsden.
But back to wheelguns. My Model 66-2 is a wonderful weapon, but at a 4 inch barrel, I don't think I would take it anywhere but the range, or maybe as a truck gun. My wondernines are more easily concealable.

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>>33330278


i got you, thanks for your service
>tfw i never got my chance to serve bc deaf

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>>33323060
>reliable
Yea, I watched GITS too.

>>33330299
>deaf
fug, that sucks
after years of shooties, flight ops, concerts and bikes, I'll probably be wearing a hearing aid at 45.

>>33323986
>-13˚f
Jesus, put a hat on.

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>>33330301
Brogusa was top tier character

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>>33330310
the thing is, it was cancer that fucked my hearing, at fucking 13 i was told i had it all my life,
4 surgeries and years later im just a bit under half deaf,
i went to go recruit and got shown the door, my heart broke.

there is one good thing that came out of it,

i tell bitches that the scar behind my ear was from a knife fight, definitely helped me pull some tail


so if you have a surgery scar that can pass for a fight scar, you know what to do,

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>>33325814
>>33325822
I carry 158grn gold dots in my .357 sp101 2.25" hammerless. Fite me fgt

I'm a big guy(4u) though, and have practiced a lot, and have rarely felt at a disadvantage with it. If I run out of ammo/speed loaders I can always beat the rest to death with it since the sp101 is a fucking brick. Have been wanting to try out some of the gold dots for short barrels though

>inb4 "big guy = fatass"
I'm 6'7" 250lbs give or take, come at me manlets

I can't wait to get into reloading some day.. I want to cook up some not-so-hot heavy 180-200grn loads for it and see what happens

>pic related

>>33330420
Sorry for shitty lighting btw

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>>33330357
my only surgery scars are two very small incisions on opposite sides of my belly, from my hernia operations, so probably a no go.

>>33330420
sexy grips

>>33330438
Hope it healed well brother, what grip is that on that wheelgat?

>>33330452
Right? I was tickled fuckin pink when I ordered it and the guy at my lgs opens it up and goes "this the one?"

I figured it was going to come with the black slatted plastic ones.. which are hideous. I was going to swap it out for a wood grip but those are kinda pricey, bit still want to some day.

In the long run, I want a wood grip, night sight on the front, and have the trigger worked on a little. The DAO trigger is a bear... but putting hundreds through it, will really make you appreciate a "good" trigger and make a man out of you in the process

>>33330469
Trausch. Got it some years back, apparently the guy who made them died in 2013. Probably going to get some Cocobolo or rubber hogue grips, because these are so big they interfere with speedloaders and ejecting cases when I shoot .357. It was an old cop gun (apparently) from my step dad, who, as a news photographer, got to become friends with a number of cops.

>>33330519

nice get dude, wood and stainless/chrome is so ostentatious i love them because of that.

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>>33323863
Really? You're so pleb...Do you even shave your hammers?

>>33330539
Yeah, I really like the look of wood grips, but the rubber, well, grips so much better.

>>33330326
It's true

>>33323034
Reliability and magnum rounds.

And even the reliability argument is overrated. It's a serious argument to carry revolvers innawoods where mud and grit are an issue, but it's not really an issue in your CCW holster.

The argument is basically just magnum rounds.
>inb4 stopping power is a meme
All right, faggot. Maybe between 9mm, .40, and .45 the difference is negligible. But don't try to tell me that .357 isn't a lot better at stopping an assailant than any of the above.

Now, there's not much reason to carry a dinky revolver. If you're going to pocket carry, or you're just getting a .38 or a snubnose, just get a little single stack semi. There's no point to revolvers unless they're at least .357 and have a 4" barrel.

>>33331388
We get it. You love your Glock or HK or LCP.

There is a reason small revolvers are a hot selling item. You should carry one for a bit and find out why.

>>33324573
Well, we're not talking about early revolvers. The issue here is modern ones--in which failures are very, very rare.

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>>33331471
No, you don't get it. I don't like semis, and I make fun of my roommate's LCP constantly. I'm saying to carry a .357 with at least a 4" barrel.

>>33331651
A 4" .357

To the beach?
Jogging?
The gym?
In flip-flops, shorts, and a teeshirt?
While gardening in the backyard?
At your kid's birthday party?
In a winter coat pocket?
On an ultralight hiking trip?

>>33330122
>>33330212
What's a 1%?

I'm planning to buy a motorcycle soon because it looks fun as shit, but is there some weird gang culture I should be aware of? What do I do to avoid drawing their attention/getting on their bad side? All I want to do is ride around for fun...

I know there are gangs in the south like Hells Angels and stuff, but is that something that everyone who rides a motorbike anywhere needs to deal with? I'm in New England if that matters

>>33323034
A revolver so you don't worry about the casings.

>>33331808
1%: hellsangels/vikinga/warlocks

basically SOA if you ever watched the show.

the criminals that make a bikergang and run drugs and pussy kill people

>>33331781
>shorts/T-shirt
I could carry this in that, as long as they were denim or cargo shorts with a belt
>gardening
I work outside in pretty much those exact clothes. T-shirt and jacket over it
>birthday party
I wear this to birthday parties. Last time I was hanging out with a kid I actually took it out, unloaded it and showed him (at his dad's request).
>winter coat pocket
If you're wearing a winter coat, you can get away with carrying as big a gun as you like. Just don't use the pocket. IWB or shoulder holster, hell even OWB if you're keeping the coat on.
>hiking
I OC when I'm hiking.

All the other things I don't really do. But if you did I suppose I could see the need for a smaller gun. My point was that with any less than a 4" barrel you can't really take advantage of the power of .357--it needs the extra barrel length to really get up to speed. So the main reason to carry revolvers is out, and just about any tiny pocket gun will do.

>>33331864
I kind of figured that much. How much do they effect random people who want to ride a motorcycle and aren't involved in gangs? Are there like rules I have to follow, things not to wear, etc.? Like in LA where if you wear some color in the wrong area they'll attack you?

>>33331950
OK. I'll agree to disagree. Whatever works for you. Anyone who carries a wheelgun as their main piece is good people.

20 years of carrying all sorts of guns and the only one that is a non-negotiable, must-have for me is a J-frame .38. Probably why I have six or eight of them.

>>33332155
Thanks, I guess...

My only problem with that is that .38 is a really inefficient cartridge as far as space. It takes up a ton of room yet has less power than even a 9mm. I love revolvers, but dislike .38 for that reason.

If I absolutely needed a tiny gun for some reason, I'd probably get an LCR in 9mm.

>>33331995
no patches. they are affiliated with their club at all, colors should be good because i dont think they care about colors like blacks do, dont sit on their bikes, etc etc
they usually mind their own business just dont cut them off or goodbye window.

>>33331995
another one
>no green bikes
they will make you regret buying a green motorcycle

>>33332254
>>33332285
Ok. But plain leather jacket and black shit is fine?

And does that mean I shouldn't even wear generic patches like gadsden flag and such?

And what's with green bikes? Not that I would get one, but what's the story behind that?

>>33332378
>)
yeah totally fine

generic shit is fine

green bikes hold a stigma for being very unlucky. it goes all the way back to the 1940s or maybe even farther back IIRC

and knowing bikers they'll wanna keep that stigma going by fucking you up. I've seen it happen a few times. i think its on live leak too,

>>33332378
>green motorcycle
we don't have Angels here, what's with green? Vagos MC? Boozefighters love green and we have plenty of those guys floating around

>>33332243
.38 is lower pressure, less noise and flash.

I carry heavy bullets, standard pressure.
Would like to continue playing and enjoying music as well as sleeping with as little EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE as possible.

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>>33330420
The Gold Dot 135-grain? I keep hearing it's a really good round for self-defense and general purpose (besides being expensive as hell), but what's the actual review from people who've shot it?

Worth it?

>>33332437
So don't shoot at the range without earpro.

I figure the chance I'll actually have to use my CC in a real life situation is so small, I'll take the chance of some EEEEEEEE in exchange for really, really putting the guy on his ass

>>33323034
People who carry revolvers are classic Americans

>>33332413
Okay. What about patches/t-shirts with metal music stuff on them, band logos and such?
>inb4 faggot
Fuck you, I like the aesthetic. I'm just making sure not to wear anything that will start fights

And that's really weird about the green bikes. Any idea how that started?

>>33332586
dude youre talkin to a metallica suicide silence rings of saturns fan and all that shit

that stuff is totally fine my man.

no idea how it started.

>>33332586
they will get pissy if you wear any possible logo that could be a biker gang
just don't do rockers. like in >>33332491

dont wear sons of anarchy patches bc they get pissed off from wearing wannabes

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>>33332586
>>33332586
now, with >>33332657

being said.

you are totally fine making your own club,
just dont copy names or rip someone elses charter off,

if you want a name, you can join,. or ask to start a charter of their club and be that charters president,

>>33323034
If you reload, you can save your brass. If you get a click when you pull the trigger, just pull the trigger again and it'll go off

>>33332608
Awesome man \m/

I'm more a fan of melodeath, little bit of black metal, Dark Tranquillity and Dissection are some of my favorites.

>>33332657
Ok. Not thinking anything like that, and I've never watched SOA. Maybe a big Watain or Behemoth logo in the middle of the back, but I don't think they look like any gang logos, and no rockers.

>>33332682
Not really interested in motorcycle clubs, the only way I'd probably join one is if I made friends in one or something. I just like metal shit, and riding around on a motorcycle through pretty state parks and such sounds fun

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>>33332738
dude rock the fuck on, dark tranquility is the shit!

amon amarth is my #1 band though.

Really? Nobody's got advice on the Gold Dot ammo?

>>33332764
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxXTNzpBcvM

>>33332764
It's fucking Gold Dot. It's good ammo, what more do you want? Do some fucking research nigger

>>33332682
>you are totally fine making your own club
>totally fine
>making own club
wwwhooooooa there, anon. Starting a club that wears patches is a time consuming process, and in California, you aren't doing it at all unless you're trying to get your shit stomped. In Texas, I've seen it take years for a riding club to become an MC, and a few less years if they're suckling Red and Gold dick and promise to wear support patches. Furthermore, club politics are not for everyone. My suggestion is if you actually want to join a club, hang around bars with motorcycles, and talk to guys in patches. If you're not a spaz they might invite you to a party or something. Hanging around and prospecting takes a long time, and the work is just getting started if you get patched. When it's fun, it's really (legal, I swear BATFE) fun though.
t. Vice President of a chapter of non 1%er club

>>33332752
I don't mind Amon Amarth. Didn't really like their oldest or their newest albums much, but a couple in the middle were really good. With Oden On Our Side and Twilight of the Thunder God were great albums.

Mors Prinicipium Est has been my favorite lately. New album is fucking kickass.

It's tough being a metalhead /k/omrade haha. I secretly love the black tactical gear and other shit that's labeled mallninja here. I know it's less practical I just like the aesthetic

>>33332531
The hearing damage in a SD situation is a trade some are willing to make. Not me though.

Look twice. Save your life. Cars are everywhere.

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>>33332797
whats your club name bro?
nice to see a VP on 4chan,
bike?

i meant in originality,. but you definitely know more about it than i do,

>>33332815
i totally agree, some of the tacticool stuff can be cringe though, the weapons mostly, everything else is kickin

>>33332793
Not the guy who asked, but I'm curious what the hype is.

Seems like everyone on here who cares enough to specify what brand they use gets Gold Dot. What makes it better than other good defense ammo?

I'm carrying Hornady Critical Defense right now, not so much because I researched and picked it but it was the best defense ammo at my LGS. Is Gold Dot significantly better than that?

>>33332833
Knedd, as the result of an unfortunately well done Ned Flanders impression. I made the mistake of going to a big party as a prospect with a big bushy moustache and glasses, and someone said I looked like Flanders. What they didn't know is that I'm super good at cartoon voice impressions, and I just couldn't help myself.
Also I'm the guy in this pic >>33330212
, from before I was VP.

First bike was 1200 Sportster, too small for me, but a great scoot
second was a Softail Standard, also fun, and once put 800 miles in a day on it
Now I have a Victory Hammer. 6 speed gearbox, 100 inch engine. A big step forward, even if I'm not crazy about the aesthetics of it.

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>>33332880
>bonded
>wide deep cavity
>proven reliability and performance in the field

It's much better than Hornady shit. It was the standard before HST came on the market.

>>33332846
I mostly meant black MOLLE and clothing and such, skull and metal band insignia.

The mallninja weapons are pretty bad. I'll admit to owning Mtech knives but that's just because I'm pretty broke, and I avoid the tacticool ones and just get their simple ones.

>>33328893
Pros: small
Cons: everything else

>>33332907
They are a good company when they make simple shit

>>33332894
That's good to know. Got a source on the image? At least know some more details about the test?

In theory the Hornady sounded like a good idea--a rubber plug in the hollow point so it penetrates thick clothes and such better but still expands.

Similar question, since you seem decently informed about ammo:

I have a box of old .38 +p from my grandfather. Speer brand "Lawman" lead wadcutters. Would that be good defensive carry ammo? Better or worse than the Hornady? I know it's probably stupid paranoia, but I'm afraid of hurting innocent bystanders via overpenetration, which is part of why I got the Hornady to begin with

>>33333009
Over penetration is a meme. Under penetrateon can get you killed.
Lawman is OK stuff, but I wouldn't use it primarily. But that's just my opinion.

My top 4 ammo choices are
>Federal HST
>Gold Dot
>Winchester Ranger (rebranded Black Talons)
>Hornady TAP

I know I said Hornady Critical line of ammo sucks, but the TAP bullets are actually pretty good performers, even in .380.
Don't remember where I got the pic from, but I've seen many tests where the FTX rounds failed.

>>33333009
Wadcutters are great for taking down bikers. No expansion, but they cookie-cutter right through those leather jackets.

>>33333089
Why do you say it's a meme? I know I and many other people probably worry about it too much, but I have no doubt that if I shot someone with .357 ball ammo it could injure or kill a bystander behind them, maybe behind them and a wall or shelf or whatever.

What's the pros/cons of lead wadcutters? They're the really old ones

>>33333091
That makes sense. Do they do it any better than regular ball ammo?

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>>33323034
lots of reasons that boil down to preference and circumstance
>very simple to use or learn on
>usually can be found for cheap (or cheaper then an auto)
>wide array of different loads to use
>also they dont have to be swapped out like the barres of an auto
>might be in a mag limited state
>might be in te woods and have to consider 4 legged attackers as well as two
>you can carry in a coat pocket and fire from it
>no concern of a slide getting fucked if its a up close struggle
>you genuinely enjoy shooting with a revolver and are better with it
you can argue "why not carry an automatic" the same way you can argue X is the most practical automatic and anything else is stupid and special snowflake. You could do it, and you might even be right, but then youre an asshole

>>33323034

For a CC weapon, you need need NEED something that fits well in your hand and points naturally. Historically, quite a few compact and sub-compact automatics had trouble in this regard before manufacturers quite knew what they were doing with the grips. There's a number of good options nowadays, but the negative impression carries forward.

Also, machining a good CC automatic is harder and more expensive than a CC revolver of a comparable size - at least, the manufacturers seemed to struggle with that aspect of it. Some of them cut corners to save costs, and as a result there were problems with the small automatics, either in terms of function and reliability, or in terms of ease of carry (sharp edges that tear clothing, etc) Again, many / most of these problems have been solved either through design refinements or additional offerings on the market, but it did sour the reputation of small CC automatics some.

If and when you get your CC gun Anon, get some hands-on time with it. What grips naturally in your hand should be the most important consideration. When you take hold of the right gun for you, you'll know it - it just feels right.

Might be an automatic.

Might be a revolver.

Might be in any one of a zillion different calibers.

It can still potentially save your life someday.

>>33325397
>>33325707

Hey Anon, I'm gonna chip in here as well. I had a Shadow for years. Good bike.

I think it'd make a decent beginner for you if you're sized for it.

Proper sizing - sit on the bike. If your feet rest comfortably FLAT on the ground, it's right. If you're on tippytoe, bike's too big. If your knees are bent, it's too short.

>>33329497

Gold Dot's not bad. Hydrashok too.

Personally, I lean towards +P loaded frangable rounds - Glaser Safety Slugs or Magsafe rounds if you can get them.

>>33332492

I've used it. It's a good round. Shoots well, consistent, expands reliably.
It's not fucking magical or anything, but it's a good round.
So are Hydrashoks.
So are a lot of rounds I've shot.
Not American Eagle, though. Those are crap. Fine for range plinking, but I'd never trust them with my life.

>>33323801
>flagging fucking everywhere with his talking hands
>Nah no need for hearpro
okay.

>>33323034
Only reason to carry a revolver is if you're shooting behind a riot shield or some shit that might interfere with a slide that could cause a malfunction.

Anything hotter than a 125 grain 357 is wasted on a human target.