Do you think convicted felons should be able to own guns in the

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Yes.

The point of a sentence is to do your time. Once you're out you should have your rights returned, or else you didn't truly serve your time.

Anybody who disagrees is an enemy of freedom and a traitor of the murder cube

>>33322741
>The point of a sentence is to do your time. Once you're out you should have your rights returned, or else you didn't truly serve your time.
this.

>>33322725
They can petition for rights restoration ya know

>>33322725
It honestly kills me inside to say this.
However.
Felons are no longer full US citizens.
The constitution only applies to US citizens.
Ergo they are not allowed armaments.

This is even coming from someone who believes minors should be allowed firearms.
It pisses me off that there is even remotely a point where the Liberals are right.

>should violent convicted niggers have guns
no lol
>should someone who committed a nonreal felony have their gun rights stripped
No

ITT:
felons and n*ggers

Non violent felons, definitely.

If you a commit a violent felony, I feel you should have your rights restored a set amount of time after your sentence is over. Kind of like an extended parole.

>>33322725
Only the non-violent ones. But I also think murder, rape, etc. should be life sentences.

Not unless the time served was adjusted properly. Currently niggers get off too easy.

Non-violent/non-gang felons should be allowed to though.

>>33322725
I'm for restoring the rights of people who have served their sentence.

If they can't handle their rights, maybe they needed a longer sentence.

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>>33322783
Why not just give them the death penalty ?

>>33322746
The constitution is not "only applied to US citizens" ya sillyhead. It's tied to the land, not the citizens. A foreigner here on vacation has the same constitutional protections as any citizens. Likewise, all bets are off if a US citizen is in Syria or something.

>>33322821
Nah you go hacky slashy on a class of preschoolers you just forfeit your rights. Sucks to suck so don't commit crimes.

>>33322746
God you're such a fucking moron, if only you knew just how easy it is to get a felony charge in this country.

Do us patriots a favor and ND into your femoral artery

>>33322814
Because that's too good and quick for them? They should be a pondering their actions within the walls they made for themselves.

Also there are wrongful convictions and it actually costs way more in the free world.

>>33322829
If you can lose a right, it's not a right, it's a privilege. A right implies inalienable entitlement.

>>33322799
>>33322773
Only sane people in this thread

>>33322873
>Warrants aren't a thing

>>33322725
Violent felons ought to have some sort of probation period, yes. Ought to be tied to the average time that recidivists, uh... recidivate.

>>33322834
Haha, nah, I'm tired of paying for them to get pampered. Either put them on a chain gang to help the state a la Tennessee Valley Authority or give them 90 days to draft a will and then have them tie their own noose.

>>33322873
FUCKING THANK YOU.

/k/ has a statist cancer that need to be purged

>>33322875
>Murderers deserve guns

Fuck em.

I don't see why they should be granted the legal right to guns, since by being felons, they have proved they don't care about the law. If they really want funs they can go buy hipoints wherever all the other criminals get theirs.

Also clever choice of picture, op. Just barely less interesting than the topic.

>>33322884
Prisons should be work camps that way they're lives serve the community.

>>33322873
Yeah, you have all the rights in the world until you forfeit them by willingly committing a crime numb nuts.
>some people are unfairly accused
>corrupt system
>blah blah blah
Well, In the history of history no one has appealed I guess.

>>33322887
If they served their time they should get them back.

If you feel that they don't deserve them back, then maybe they shouldn't be released in the first place genius?

>>33322902
Those prison workers would quickly cause unemployment and undercut wages.

Dumbass

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>>33322761
Is mommy watching so you couldn't say niggers?

>>33322909
Rights and crimes are 2 totally seperate things.

Government doesn't give you rights, God does.

If a criminal uses his rights to a gun to assault you, you use yours to defend youself. It's called dangerous freedom for a reason pussy bitch. I swear to god you faggots sound like loser who don't CCW.

If a felon wants a gun he'll get it one way or another, quit the fucking bullshit. Your type of thinking only hurts felons that choose to be law abiding

>>33322909
See >>33322873

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>>33322834
and once they get out then what ? Their just going to continue being criminals. Also pic related should deserve the death penalty.

>>33322934
Maybe you should get an education where your life value isn't comparable to a fucking prisoner's hard labour.

>>33322934
Not if you have them doing conservation work. Or city service jobs.
>need gum washed off sidewalks?
>city services can't be assed to do it?
>1-800-call a crook
Have them do state jobs that never get done.

>>33322954
Now this is what I call under budget and ahead of schedule.

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>>33322934
>his livelihood is threatened by legal slave labor
Maybe you go back to school, champ.

Personally you shouldn't be a felon anything non-violent. So if someone is violent they should be in jail and stay there.

So if you are not in jail you should own a gun.

>>33322954
I would rather have gum on the streets than a bunch of chained felons walking around my neighborhood

Besides what you're proposing is criminals picking up litter

WHICH ALREADY OCCURRS

>>33322746
The problem is everyone is a felon. Everyone breaks three laws a day that would make you a felon.

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Should dishonorably discharged soldiers be allowed to own firearms? Why are they prohibited?

>>33322725
I mean they're still going to get a gun somehow. if they intend on doing something wrong, hopefully there will be a few people CC'ing to stop them

>>33323005
>the felons would just be ambling around suburban neighborhoods
Clutch your pearls harder. If you're fine with a subsidized prison system that sinks your state even deeper, come to Louisiana, its a fucking nightmare. Or would you like people actually doing something to help the state instead of soaking up tax money in a room for the rest of their days. The only kicker is that they all wear matching uniforms and jewelry that makes lots of noise.

>>33323005
When was the last time a chained felon under the supervision of an armed officer ever hurt anybody?

>>33322916
This

>>33322725
If they're too dangerous to own a gun, then they should not have been let out of prison.

>>33322745
Read that sentence out loud and try and realize how retarded it sounds. Remember rights are self-evident, not at the will of the state.

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>not allow to buy a firearm
>able to drive a car

Should we denied the right of felons driving cars ? I don't feel safe knowing they are driving some thing dangerous

>>33323053
A bunch of criminals picking up garbage on the side of the highway
>is fine by me
>already happens

Believe it or not you aren't the first person to conceive this great idea

>>33323057
They are a bigger eyesore than garbage, and would make people uncomfortable if on their daily commute they have to pass by chained criminals guarded by men with shotguns.

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>>33322761

>>33323018
Think of all the shitbags in the military for a minute.

Keep thinking.

Now imagine people so much worse than them, that the system that tolerates all the other shitbags decided to kick them out.

>>33323092
Oh wow, picking up trash, so progressive. I know it already happens you shit stain. Do you see felons digging ditches to improve drainage? Do you see them sweating their nuts off doing wetlands mitigation? Do you see them in chaingangs actually doing something useful for the state? Fuck no. They sit inside money pits with chain fence on the perimeter. Pull your thumb out of your dick and drop the attitude. Cunt.

>>33322746
Eat shit, this is coming from someone who believes that the mentally ill should be allowed firearms.

>>33323080
Would you trust a convicted felon or a completely neutral person with a gun purchase?

Yes. Natural rights come from god and not from some parasite piece of shit bureaucrat.

>>33322725
My .02 on this is that if you just got out of prison or you're on parole you shouldn't have firearms. Yes you should serve your time in prison and then get the rights restored, but doing that immediately is idealistic. A lot of people who are in prison are fuckups who will go back soon after getting out. It means our prison system needs reform to be actually effective, but in the meantime...

Instead of permanent suspension of gun rights (and voting right), after some time has passed there should be a review process that takes into account.
1) the nature of the crime for which you were imprisoned
2) the severity
3) the nature of violence
4) use/misuse of weapons (if any)
5) behavior while imprisoned
6) how long since release
7) how well the individual is coping with being released into society (jobs/relationships/psychological health)

Burden of proof should be on the court to find a plausible reason to deny a restoration of rights. If a person has reformed well and there's no reason to believe otherwise, their rights should be restored.

>>33323132
I'm not who you quoted but that stupid "Would you trust" could easily be used to disarm you.
"Would you trust some weirdo posting in a chinese cartoon website to own assault rifles?"

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Should convicted felons be allowed to own guns while they're still in prison? I mean, really think about it.

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>>33323114
>>33323018

Also the military really needs to crackdown on gangs in the Military.

>https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/2011-national-gang-threat-assessment

>>33323177
Mandate all servicemen with gang affiliations to serve as tank armor.

>>33323191
or we could give them suicide missions

>>33323124
>drop the attitude
>cunt

Okay big guy I'll bite, what happens when one of the prisoners "suffers" a "work related injury" on the job? You're going to have to deal with lawsuits up the ass from dindus looking for a handout. And for what? You take away ajob from someone with little savings to show for it.

>>33322725
nope
if you've proven that you cannot be in the general public, you don't have rights anymore

>>33323236
Oh wow, a prisoner gets stabbed in prison so they shut the place down and let all the rest of them loose? You get state health care (that's absolute shit, thanks Obama) and a modified workers comp system that's tailored to the work crew. It's not that hard.
Also
>letting dumbass inmates roam around a construction site freely
No, last time I checked a shovel and a pick can't crush a man. You fuck up with one of those you deserve anything that happens to you.

>>33323257
We're talking about felons who have served their time, not those still in prison.

>>33323146
only problem is this overburderns our already strained justice system. the amount of criminal cases which get railroaded into plea bargins by PA who have over a dozen cases to juggle at once is staggering as it is.

I think that felons who are convicted of violent crimes should have their rights revoked. But if you are a felon because you embezzled from your company their rights should be restored.

>>33322725
Yes. Unless they're like totally fucking asshole felons

ie. Serial offenders

nope

>>33323351
t. Bootlicking euro nigger

>>33323384
sorry that I don't want felons owning guns

>>33323395
Selling your own freedom for safety eh?


Congrat you played youself.

>>33323420
okay ?

>>33323479
fuck off my board

Yes. Even murderers. If you can trust a man or woman to get out of prison you must be able to trust them with a firearm as they are easily acquired regardless of legality. Ask Mexico.

If they can't be trusted with a firearm they shouldn't be let out of prison. Simple as that.

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You faggots seriously don't know how easy it is to get caught up in a felony charge. I've seen innocent men get fucked in court and plead to felony charges they didn't commit because the feds have unlimited money and will bleed you until you plead and take probation just so you can take care of your kids. Tax charges, structuring etc all hurt nobody and you statists think you can't have your balls on the chopping block too? By owning a gun you are even statistically more likely to get a felony charge than someone without a gun. Using your gun in self defense can still land you in prison in certain circumstances. A nutcase girlfriend can call the cops on you and just say you hit her, and nobody will fucking believe you, and you will be fucked. A right is a right, it is given to you by the creator, and the duty of the government is to acknowledge that right, and they haven't since the 1930s, no thanks to bootlickers like those in this thread. If it can be arbitrarily taken away by an unconstitutional "law", then it's not a right but a privelidge like driving a car. If you support anything less than all non prisoned, parole or probation citizens having full rights, you should kys immediately or move to UK.

>>33323530
/thread

If you're allowed out of jail, you should be allowed to own a gun. All constitutional rights should be reinstated after you finish serving your time.

Night/k/ is best/k/

>>33322873
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TSiJ2Gp058

>>33323554
What do you do for a living and how did you see this? Context, mang.

>>33323589
Yes. Yes it is.

>>33323636
I am a Sheriff's deputy and that my friend, is what we call "English"

>>33323636
Sorry, I mean "Engrish"

>>33322725
>Do you think convicted felons should be able to own guns in the USA?
Why does this matter, since I believe all felons should be put to death? Ideally, restoration of rights would not be a concern since they would be dead.

SHALL

>>33323675
Do you actually know what constitutes a felony in the United States, or are you just retarded?

>>33322745
they also have to pay thousands in court fees along side those petitions...and after all that could still be denied the right to bear arms

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>piss in a bush
>make some trivial mistakes
>exgf accuses you of something you didn't do
>be in the wrong place at the wrong time
>shoulder a brace
>practice civil disobedience by owning a gun in a cuck state
>download the wrong set of 1's and 0's
>posess a bottle opener
>shoot a porno but forget to record

NO GUNS FOR YOU, YOU FELON

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>>33322725
Quiet is pretty hot but she's the textbook definition of a butterface

>>33323112
I'd feel pretty safe.

>>33322942
>MUH GOD GIVEN RIGHTS

Top tippity kek.

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>>33323136
>believing god is real

>>33322964
It'll robots in 20 years anyway, get yo-selves some automation degrees on the ground floor.

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>>33322725
We need everyone to be ready to make the Govt. BTFO, so yes. Any felons that don't deserve to receive a summery execution should be allowed to keep and bare arms too.

>>33323675
Sure is edgy being 13 anon, isn't it?

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>>33322814
Because the convictions are sometimes pic related. At least you can be let out if you were just wrongly imprisoned.

>>33322725
Is that a 10/22 in an AICS?

>>33322783
Rape is basically a guilty until proven innocent crime, though. Too many are falsely imprisoned on it to make it a life sentence.

>>33322725
Shall not be infringed. If they're that dangerous, kill them or keep them in jail forever.

>>33322725
Convicted felon should stay in jail. There is no reason to release dangerous people free.

>>33322814
Not that anon, but good question. There are many reasons not to do so.

I can see where a policy of capital punishment for all murder and rape convictions could possibly bring about the destruction of the civilization that implemented it.

>>33322725
if you are actually ready for release from prison, then you are ready to own a gun again.

conversely, if you cannot be trusted with a gun, maybe we should find a reason to put you into custody no matter what it is you've done, until you're more mature.

>>33325468
Such policy basically started american revolution.
>pay taxes
>americans chimpout
>punishment for violent crimes
>americans chimpout overboard

>>33322750
>>should violent convicted niggers have guns
>no lol
yes they should. there is no faster way to eradicate them from the face of the earth than to give them a gun.

>>33322725
Maybe, because they are citizens and have rights. However I think if you are convicted of a violent felony you should be stripped of your citizenship. So there you go.

>>33325287
>gubmint gibs rites

Fucking moron

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>>33322725
For one thing, I don’t think anyone is suggesting non-violent felonies should deprive you of your 2A rights long-term. Only violent ones.
Like, there’s no reason you should be restricted from weapon ownership if you were in jail for financial embezzlement.

That said, I’m coming to believe what this >>33322741 says. Continuing to punish someone after they’ve done their time is wrong.

Pic related has a great perspective on it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxwnHVr192A

>>33322746
>felons are no longer full US citizens
Where do you get this premise? If true, the rest of your argument has some weight. But you need to prove it in order for the rest to make sense. Where does it say in the Constitution that felons lose their citizenship?

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>>33322725

This is a non-question.
The Fifth Amendment specifically allows that a person can be deprived of liberty by due process of law.

Everyone saying otherwise is another wanna-be constitutional scholar on the internet.

I play /tg/ games with a felon, he get his rights back in 2 more years to both vote and guns if he doesnt fuck up again, I dont think he will his lawyers are getting his rights back for him.
Im not a lawfag so I dont know how but suffice to say ill wait for him to pass a backgroubd check before I private sell him something.
He had a non violent drug felony. He was 19ish , why should his whole life be shit for the wieght of his paper the acid was on guy wasnt killing people.

If you dont teust felons out of prison to be allowed to protect there families and lives why let them out

Non-violent crimes shouldn't be felonies in the first place.
Those who commit non-violent crimes should not have 2A rights removed
Those who do commit violent felonies should have their rights suspended until they can be deemed safe to society (presumably after time served and after X amount of time released with demonstrable progress towards readjusting to society). There is actually already a system in place for this but it is largely ignored by many court systems, which is a breach of due process.

>>33325604
>a person can be deprived of liberty by due process of law.

WRONG

>>33325638
>"nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"

If someone has been wrongly convicted, they should get their convictions overturned. Then they won't be felons anymore.

Much fewer things should be felonies. Gun rights (and voting rights) should only be taken away for violent felonies. I have no problem with someone who cheated on their taxes or got caught doing a line of cocaine when they were 20 owning guns.

But as for violent criminals, fuck 'em - they voluntarily gave their rights away when they decided to victimize others.

Everyone has the right to defend themselves. It's not tied to the land. Or the law. You can take away his guns but you can't remove his right to have them.

>>33325656
If you conduct a crime and get sentenced, your liberties are forfeit until your sentence is OVER.

/k/, if you believe that the majority of crimes involving guns are caused by allowing the mentally ill and felons to get guns (via thefts/straw purchases etc), then why do you want to make it easier for the mentally ill and felons to get guns?

The only people you are helping by taking up such an idiotic cause are the kinds of people who want to do you harm and the Brady campaign (like there's a difference, amirite?).

>>33325701
Source

>>33323075
i see your logic there.
or to vote.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/06/exclusive-virginia-gov-pardons-60000-felons-enough-to-swing-election/

>>33325703
>if you believe that the majority of crimes involving guns are caused by allowing the mentally ill and felons to get guns
I don't know about the rest of /k/ but I've only seen this argument used in the cases of "mass shootings" and other gun violence over-represented by the media as "mass shootings" where there is a very noticeable trend of mentally ill individuals and people on terrorist or criminal watchlists committing violent acts.

I think most people on here agree that the core population committing violent crimes with firearms are inner city gang members and other people wrapped up in a general criminal lifestyle who are going to keep committing felonies and being violent regardless of the law.

No, serious criminals should not have the option to arm themselves.

>>33325703
>amirite

armalite

>>33322725
Wrongly convicted, definitely should get gats back right way because they genuinely dindu nuffin. Actually guilty and they should take the offense and such into account. People convicted of murder in the first should have to wait a while before being given guns again, you know? But drug charges, especially weed, or B&E or whatever, that shouldn't be a big enough deal to strip them of such an important and fundamental right at all. It should have to be a violent offense for the felon in question to have their guns taken away for even a brief time, and something so incredibly serious that they're on death row/serving multiple life sentences and it's irrelevant anyway before taking the guns away forever. Even criminals have the right to defend themselves and fight tyranny.

>>33322725
Why is the question about ex felons getting guns and not why the fuck are they out of prison in the first place?

I mean if they are not ready to be in civil society on any level they shouldn't be free.

>>33325701
>an opinion

>>33325568
Literally the case. You're just delusional; if rights were provided by a higher power, the members of the un-free world wouldn't be executed for speaking against the state.

>>33322746
This moron thinks that his rights come from the state and are not inherant to being a free person.

>>33322829
>Nah you go hacky slashy on a class of preschoolers you just forfeit your rights
Then you should be in jail.
If you arent in jail, or ajudicated mentally defective, you should have the same rights as everyone else.

Non violent felony: Yes
Violent felony: No

The only right answer.

>>33323395
Im shocked at the number of pro gun control people like you there are on this board.

>>33325817
They still have those rights you fucking idiot. Their governments are just stomping on them.

>>33322725
Never

>>33322741
/thread

>>33322725
yes and yes
if you have done your sentence you should be a perfectly safe little snowflake and shouldnt have an issue owning a gun, otherwise its an admission that they should still be in prison and the system failed again

>>33324336
Quite is my Waifu

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>>33322725
Non-viloent felonies, wrongfully convicted, and felonies that have no jail time attached shouldn't restrict gun rights.
Some states have have some pretty banal felonies on the books, like allowing a minor to access alcohol.

I don't think roughly half of American citizens should have any rights at all. So I am in favor of gun confiscation, mandatory sterilization, permanent imprisonment or summary execution and so on for childish narcissists but not in favor of keeping weapons out of the hands of brave, noble freedom fighters even if some liberal queer hyphenate court somewhere labeled them criminals for attacking the enemy.

>>33322725
If they're too dangerous to be allowed to own a gun, they're too dangerous to be let out of prison.

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>>33322725
Felonies are the worst crimes. The worst.
Murder in various degrees. Rape. Violent assault. Robbery. Arson. Kidnapping.

These are decisions people make, not accidents. Not spur of the moment. These are acts committed by violent, damaged individuals with very poor judgement.

No, felons should never be able to own guns. Not even DUI, tax evasion, vandalism, forgery or other "nonviolent" felonies.

There is no redemption from the though process that led to the series of bad decisions ending in a felony crime. These aren't things that 19 year old impulsive idiots do and then learn not to do in jail. There is something fundamentally wrong in someone's brain who takes advantage of another person to such a degree, or with such violence.

There is no excusing such violent imposition on other peoples' lives, whether it be physical, mental or financial.

Obviously, wrongly convicted felons should not be barred from owning guns once they have been shown to be innocent, and better net not wrongly convicted in the first place. No crime, no punishment.

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>nobody pointing out that her rifle doesn't have anything to aim with

I don't know you anymore /k/

>>33322741
this.

when you leave prison ,you should have that time sealed away. leaving only you and the courts to know about you being in prison. the courts should only use that knowledge when you have been arrested for another crime.

>>33325593
not that guy, but felons can't vote or own guns. Two key parts of being a full citizen.

>>33325866
You're inherently and fundamentally wrong.

Once your time has been served your rights have to be returned.

If you think the person still shouldn't have a gun, then that person shouldn't be released. No matter what if a felon wants to own a gun he'll get it one way or another.

>>33326678
So which is it?

Felonies are the worst crimes like murder

Or

DUI, vandalism, tax evasion


DUI shouldn't be a crime anyway. We already have laws for reckless driving.

>>33326678

>These are acts committed by violent, damaged individuals with very poor judgement.

>>33326678
Sounds like they should have never left the prison in your opinion

>>33325905
I'm gonna insult your intelligence by suggesting you believe that.
If that's your argument, since there's no food stopping me, I have a right to do little anything I want. Drive a car, steal, murder, telling children they're stupid cunts. The only thing stopping me is "morals" and the government stomping on that.

>>33325876
It is a funny thing to hear, but gun control isn't a binary subject. And most people aren't actually the extreme on either side, as it often is, those are just the most vocal few.


When a criminal serves their time, them they're done being a criminal, and do deserve their rights. Problem is the shitty state of the penitentiary, and how they seem to harm people more than they help.
Also people should be given their second chance, but if they fuck it up again, judge them even harsher

>>33326865
>Problem is the shitty state of the penitentiary, and how they seem to harm people more than they help.

That's not our fucking problem, sounds like another incompetent fuck up that the states responsible of

>>33322741
This is part of the reason WHY our prison system is so fucked.

Yes, prison is a PUNISHMENT, it damn well should be.

You killed someone, diddled some kids, smoked some pot which shouldn't be a fucking offense in the first god damn place, (fuck any retard who can say that they should own a device that DOES actually give them the ability to kill an entire school of children, but at the same time, should not be able to put something completely harmless into their body in the same god damned breath,) fucking robinhood some whities flat screen or anything else.

But when you're raising a kid, or are a psychologist, or a fucking engineer, or someone with some god damn fucking common sense, when you try to fix an issue...

You fucking address the underlying cause.

Making Felons second class citizens is fucking bullshit. Yes there is a certain degree of free choice in the matter, but fucking making them PERPETUAL CARRIER CRIMINALS does not stop them.

With crime, maybe its addressing the issue of poverty which holy shit, many minority communities find themselves currently in because believe it or not, many minorities didn't have equal rights until 19 fucking 64. I had a grandfather who would tell fucking stories during this time period during his service, that length of time isn't that fucking far off.

With drugs, maybe its ending this retarded war on them and start going full libertarian and taxing the shit out of it, while making it a crime to shoot up and drive.

With pedophilia, sucks shit but its biological. Start fucking bringing back psych wardens.

Its simple shit.

>>33322746
If you want to make felons non citizens and essentially enslave them, fine, I'll be the one to give you the gun, the blind folds, the shovel and pack of cigarettes because you'd might as well fucking off them there and then because once you are a felon, your life is done. Game over.

This is even coming from someone who thinks you should suck start a fucking shotgun.

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>>33326925
>going full libertarian and taxing the shit out of it

>>33326925
>committing a felony should not be a learning moment
>it should be a day care
Fuck working man, I'll just kill a dude and have my life sorted out for me then.

>>33326678


i got charged with a class 3 felony because i forgot i had a weapon in a laptop bag when i went to the airport. i'm an idiot, i know, but i didn't murder, rape, assault, rob, burn or kidnap.

>>33325593
They can't vote, they can't own guns, sex offenders (even misdemeanor ones) can't go within a certain distance of children (even if their crime wasn't against children) including their own biological ones and are tracked for the rest of their lives and must enter PII into a national, public-domain database.

These restrictions are for the rest of their lives and there is no clear-cut method of appeal or restoration.

So basically they will continue to be punished for the rest of their lives with no effective recourse even after they've been told they're done being punished.

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>>33325817
That doesn't mean that the state is correct for killing it's own people. Are you saying those governments are correct for enforcing their anti-free-speech laws then, you statist cocksucker?

>>33322814
Because one wrong conviction is just as unforgivable as the crime you purport to punish. Either you truly adhere to the "shadow of a doubt" standard, or you allow your judiciary to murder innocent men.

>>33322887
>murderers deserve to ever walk free again
Heinous crimes should be punished by removing the offender's life, either through lifelong incarceration or the death penalty.

I'm all for convicts getting ALL of their rights back once they're released, but only if sentencing is reworked to where they're actually punished in accordance of the severity of their crimes.

Three-strike laws in their current implementation are dumb, there is absolutely no reason someone with 2 simple battery convictions and 1 DUI conviction is required by law to serve more jail time than someone with 1 2nd degree murder conviction. Juvie punishment as a whole is dumb, there's absolutely no reason why we can only lock up a 15yo murderer only until their 18th birthday, then it's magically like the crime never occurred because the record is expunged (they don't even seal them any more, just outright get rid of them).

>>33322741
Maybe if prison was a punishment

As a contractor I have worked in prisons, they are nicer than my time in the Navy. Better beds, better food, more activities, no work, no responsibilities. The objective of prison switched from punishment to rehabilitation and it fails at both.
Anyone saying that prisoner have served thier time and would not be let out if they were not reformed are idiots.
2/3 of released prisoners are back in Jail within the next 2 years.

>>33323057
January 17 2017. Member of a chain gang cold-cocked his guard, took the guard's shotgun, shot 3 inmates he was chained with to death, shot at the van driver, then killed himself with the last shell.

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>>33322880
Warrants aren't a forfeiture of your god given rights. It's a requesite by state officials to search yiur property by preponderance of prior evidence, a form of due process. AND AFTER THE WARRANT HAS BEEN SERVED THE GOVERNMWNT ISN'T ALLOWED TO JUST MOSEY INTO YOUR HOUSE ANY TIME AFTER THAT; IE. YOU GET YOUR RIGHT TO PRIVACY BACK.

>>33327094
Unless the state ignores your "inalienable" rights and does so anyway or violates the conditions in the warrant, for which there's zero legal recourse and a low chance of success for civil recourse.

And they're allowed to destroy your property in the attempt with no legal requirement to reimburse you.

>>33327070
Not my fucking problem. Blame bureaucrats not the people

>>33327114
I blame the criminals

>>33327092
Nice source.

Also

>getting killed by your own gun and by a chained up prisoner

Fucking lol, the people that they hire these days.

>>33327094
Basically all of
>>33327112
plus remember that it's only legal to kill, attempt to kill, assault, attempt to assault, or interfere in any way with a LEO even if he's blatantly doing something illegal or abusing his authority in 2 states.

Which means that unless you live in those 2 states if they do decide to "just mosey into your house any time after that" you have to just let them or they are legally allowed to execute you for "interfering with police business"

>>33327112
At that point it is up to me if their lives are forfeit the moment they barge into my home.

>>33322902
Then those prisoners should be paid a fair wage, or allowed not to work, because slavery is immoral.

>>33327070
you should see Germany's prisons.
>private 1 man rooms with own shower and toilet. you even get a key and can lock it.
>murderers can be out in 10 years or less. provided they behave them selves, do the work programs, and the counseling. they'll let them go on trips outside prison for the day after a few years, then start letting them work during the day for the last few years.
>very low recidivism
>very low prison violence

>>33327137
You blame the criminals for having a day care type experience in prison?

Ok lad

>>33327139
The officer that got his gun stolen was not killed or even severely wounded, he was KO'd with a trash picker-upper. Apparently the inmate had beef with other inmates and only shot at the van driver because the van driver shot at him first.

>>33327155
See
>>33327153

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>>33326951
>Making it so that felons could have their rights back, have a job to support a legal living, ensuring any mental issues they had/ other consitions aren't gonna land them right back in prision after they gut someone is making PRISON "daycare"

>>33327167
Wow, it's almost like treating people as though they're people garners respect.

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>>33322739

>>33327158
>slavery is immoral

They are slaves to the community that they've harmed. Morality is subjective. In this case most people can agree that criminals are property of the community until their dues are paid.

>>33327175
No, the guaranteed 8 hours of sleep in an air conditioned/heated private room, 3 hot meals a day, unrestricted free access to college-varsity-tier workout equipment and facilities, guaranteed hire at a job that pays a minimum of $10/hr at a guaranteed minimum of 30hrs/wk while incarcerated that's very easy (stamping license plates), zero cost of living because your linens/clothes/food/personal hygiene shit/etc is provided for you by the taxpayers, etc. is.

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>>33322739

um

>>33327174
It's up to each individual how far they want to exercise their freedom.

Most will roll over, but the tiny few who won't will teach them a blood lesson.

>>33327206
>Morality is subjective
>criminals are property
Got some real freedom-hating degenerate relativism going on there, you should get that checked out.

>>33327237
If you're convicted of a crime against a community then you're property of that community until your dues are paid. Once your sentence is done then you get every single right back including guns and voting.

>>33327202
>>33327228

Jews are okay with me

>>33322783
Rape is nowhere near as bad as murder, don't even try to compare the two.

Also life sentences are fucking stupid. If you're just going to house and feed an inmate for the rest of their natural lives as punishment, you might as well just kill them. No sense in keeping them around if you have no intentions of letting them back into society.

>>33327171
I blame the criminals for being criminals and necessitating the existence of prisons. I feel they are owed nothing when they get out and I feel they should have thier citizenship revoked. Let them show they can live a productive life without crime and let them apply to have thier citizenship and associated rights restored

>>33322934
And letting prisoners sit on their ass sucking up resources while people like you do work they could be doing just drives up the cost of living and taxes.

>>33327236
Which gives the cops full legal authority to execute you for doing so. Unless you live in those 2 states that have specifically enacted laws stripping the police's legal protections once they do something outside their line of duty.

It's also bullshit that even off-duty police get extra legal protection.
>get in a no-fault collision that kills someone, for example an icy hill where you weren't speeding and couldn't stop before sliding into an intersection
Cops roll up and go GG, fuck ice, insurance will handle it
>that person that died in the no-fault collision was an off-duty cop
Cops roll up and go GG you killed a cop, you're under arrest for assault on a police officer you're facing 30 years in jail.

Or even worse:
>off-duty cop falls asleep behind the wheel and head-on's someone and dies
>other person, who was not at fault, charged with killing the cop
This actually happened in Virginia in 2013. The person was acquitted but only after spending close to 3 months in jail and having to spend tens of thousands in legal fees.

>>33327192
Anders Brievik killed 80 people and bombed a government building. he has better prison accommodations than anyone in a US prison.

>>33327224
>I've never been to prision the post

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Making felons second-class citizens is a surefire way to make sure they stay a criminal instead of functioning members of society.

And don't think i'm pushing the failed mess that is rehabilitation programs. Prison isn't meant for that, it's there for punishment in the name of justice.

>>33327282
Free will and crime go hand and hand. Quit being an edgy bootlicking faggot.

>>33327329
Actions and consequences go hand in hand as well

>>33327297
My rights will always trump any governments laws. They serve as an invisible sword of damocles for any state agent who desides to trample over the rights of men.

It'll end with either of of us dying.

>>33327349
Precisely, let the punishment fit the crime child.

>>33327318
I work in one, a Federal medium-security all-male prison in the Midwest. Most of our inmates are violent offenders with over a quarter of the population convicted of either murder or attempted murder.

>>33327350
RIP you, RIP your estate via illegal-yet-still-openly-practiced asset forfeiture, RIP your family and doggo.

>>33327259
Dress it up however you like, you're literally promoting state slavery, which has the same problems as the death penalty: what if you convict an innocent man? The justice system as it exists today has a terrible track record with respect to faulty convictions, including (as someone else pointed out earlier in this thread) trying to ram plea bargains down everyone's throat just because it's faster. If the system convicting "criminals" is unreliable, then your whole idea of "criminals are property" gets a lot more distasteful than you seem to recognize.

Furthermore, promoting the idea of "work camps" conveniently ignores the history of such environments- they're consistently unsafe, to the point of being alternative death sentences:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_through_labour

It is wrong to kill an innocent man. Slavery is wrong. Someone doing the first does not magically justify the second.

>>33327360
Which is why you don't lose any rights for misdemeanors

>>33327382
Unless it's against a minor or family member or it's a sex crime, then you lose all of them forever with no appeals process.

>>33327318
That's the low end of non overcrowded state prisons. Just look at subsidized prisons. Come to Angola in Louisiana and watch as they use tax money to burn for campfires in the evenings. They all gather around outside the billion dollar dorms and sing kumbaya roasting marshmallows.

>>33322725
Yes, every person who's served their time should be considered to have fully repaid their debt to society and rehabilitated.

Anyone who has demonstrated an inability to rehabilitate or who has saddled society with a debt that can never repaid should simply be executed.

>>33322741
Agreed. If you can't trust a felon with a firearm, then call a spade a fucking spade and admit that they either can't or wont be rehabilitated. No shame in it, some people just can't be helped. otherwise, treat them like the Citizens they are.

>>33327364
I should also mention I'm not a CO, I'm an actual school-trained soux chef. We have 11 school-trained chefs including 2 executive chefs.

The executive chefs make a 6-figure salary plus bonuses, a housing stipend, and free use of the on-site medical facility for minor injuries and illnesses plus the standard goverment insurance (Blue Cross/Blue Shield) and matching 401k.

>>33327364
Yeah yeah RIP me any every person who've ever lived. Everyone dies faggot, but not everyone dies on their feet.

>>33326844
serving time allows you to walk around in public and pretend to be a normal human

but having comitted a felony, you never were a normal human to begin with

its the gift we give damged humans instead of putting them down, the gift of farce

>>33326764
>>33327013

Again, where does it say in the Constitution or federal law that felons are no longer full citizens?

You still haven't proved it.

>>33327374
Compensate him for his time lost.

>>33327433
Oh you won't die on your feet, you'll die on your stomach with your hands cuffed behind your back when one of the cops accidentally the back of your head with a full-auto burst of 75gr TAP.

>>33322829
"Sucks to suck, quit being so Japanese"
~FDR

>>33322892
>Rights
>Granted

lad you don't understand what a right is if you use those two terms as you have.

>>33327460
And if the man dies due to a "work camp accident"? What, compensate his family? Fuck you. A woman lost a husband, a child lost a father, and a check doesn't make that better. A prisoner should have the option to work for a market wage, or the option to not work at all. Forced labor is reprehensible and I seriously do not understand how you can dehumanize someone enough to think it's okay.

>>33323018
Dishonorable discharges should not exist. Anyone who's such a shitbag that they get a DD should be executed.

>>33327458
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_disenfranchisement#Felony_conviction_thresholds_affected_by_inflation

Specifically the 14th amendment section 2.
>Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Also the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and the National Voter Registration Act of 1993.

>>33323136
this

Yes.

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>>33322725
Yes I do, it is a conflict of interest for the American government to decide who may or may not own firearms.

>>33327440
Then lock them up forever.

>>33327462
Yeah yeah whatever kid.

>>33327501
Compensate the family and prosecute or fire the judge for overlooking important evidence.

>>33327514
Also
>GUN BAN FOR INDIVIDUALS CONVICTED OF A MISDEMEANOR CRIME OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE -- 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(9)

>>33327501
If a man dies doing menial labor from a non health related event he shouldn't have been alive in the first place. Would you have prisoners driving piling? No. Would you have them packing cracks on a bridge? No. You could have trustees with appropriate licenses operating equipment and the rest would be far away to mitigate liability. Just because they're felons doesn't mean OSHA doesn't apply to them. You don't get a ditch digger to do a specialists job. You have them doing grunt work. Which 9 times out of 10 means swinging a tool at something and not much more.

>>33327501
If it was his fault or an act of God (unpreventable natural incident like getting hit by lightning), oh fucking well the same shit would've happened to a non-convict too.

If it's due to negligence of their overseers or non-OSHA-compliant work conditions, treat it just like you would if he hadn't been a convict. IE, have the overseer brought up on charges and fine the facility heavily.

>>33325758
see>>33324239

>>33322725
Shall not be infringed.

>>33322741

I was going to say no, but that's a pretty good argument.

>>33322773
Laws don't end crime.

Some convicts may want to GTFO and move to Alaska to live off the land. Baring them from arms would make that life impossible IMO.

It's possible they have realized the mistakes they made and are now of great value to the community...

The assuming power thing is getting to be infringement at large. It's far too common these days.

>>33327167
Norway has 3 rooms for prisons
>kitchen, office, internet, bedroom

Pretty gucci honestly

>>33322741

Exactly. Like how convicted pedophiles should be allowed to return to work at elementary schools. After all, they served their time, right dipshit?

>>33322725
Mandatory restoration of rights after 5 years good behavior.

>>33327707
>Some convicts may want to GTFO and move to Alaska to live off the land. Baring them from arms would make that life impossible IMO.

The number of felons who want to do this is basically zero.

Most people tend to, you know, stick around in the place where they grew up or are already established. Nobody goes to jail and then says "Gee what I'd really like to do is go to Alaska and OC a gun, too bad I can't do that now!"

>>33327766

you don't have a right to work at an elementary school. and you are aware that convicted sex offenders are allowed to have kids, right?

>>33327822
They're allowed to sire kids, they're NOT allowed to have unsupervised access to them at any point before the kid's 18th birthday.

>>33322725
I don't see why not if they've proved to be a productive and quality member of society after their time served and no longer a risk to the public.

>"the only crimes that should make one a proscribed person are crimes involving violence"

Are there people who actually believe this? So a con artist who fleeces an old couple out of their life savings, which causes them to commit suicide, should not be classified as a felon? How about traitors? If the regressive left joined hands with a foreign power attacking the United States, should those people not become proscribed and eligible for exile/capital punishment/loss of rights?

>>33327835

gonna need a sauce on that.

>>33322746
>felons are no longer full us citizens

Justify

They shouldn't

>>33327503
You can get a DD for just smoking a joint

>>33323279
do you honestly believe the US prison system reforms felons? given the amount of repeat offenders, I sure don't

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>>33328212
Then please offer a solution to fix the prison system anon

does anyone actually believe that laws making it illegal for felons to own firearms stops them from acquiring guns if they want one?
in before well if the can legally buy guns its will be easier. at least youve got a record of a transaction if it was done at a store.

Is this a serious question? Are you retarded OP?HELL NO

Our penal system is a joke that releases violent criminals after hand-slap sentences ALL THE TIME. Just because they "done muh time durr" doesn't mean the judicial system isn't completely inept at protecting society from repeat offenders. The recidivism rate for violent criminals in the US is a joke.

>>33322741
Felons shouldn't be released from prison in the first place. They should be hanged.

>>33327707
>Some convicts may want to GTFO and move to Alaska to live off the land. Baring them from arms would make that life impossible IMO.

Some convicts may also want to rape someone at gunpoint again. Who gives a shit what convicts want.

>It's possible they have realized the mistakes they made and are now of great value to the community...

Are you seriously this fucking retarded?

>>33322725
No, criminals are scum and should be exterminated.

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>>33323017
I'm breaking 420 laws right now

>>33323017
yeah ok bud

wait wait wait wait wait, is that a 10/22 in an AICS stock?

>>33326790
t. alcoholic shit head who's life is controlled by a bottle

>>33328276
>not an argument

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>>33326790
>DUI shouldn't be a crime anyway

>>33328528
Yes

>>33322725
Of course. This is America. 2nd amendment should apply to all US citizens. Non-US citizens residing here should have next to no rights but unfortunately they do.

>>33327766
Pedophiles CAN work at elementary schools, child molesters CAN'T.

That being said, employers are well within their rights to NOT hire felons.

>>33322725
Yes

>>33322725
I have actually been thinking a lot about this lately and I have since switched stances. I feel as follows-
The second amendment is the right to protect yourself and I feel that if you are alive and active within society you have the right to protect yourself and own firearms. To me the question isn't should we trust felons with guns but should we release feLons that we don't trust with guns.

TLDR: If your free and not currently imprisoned you shouldn't have your rights removed

>>33327766
If a felon is still dangerous prison has either failed to rehabilitate them, failed to scare them from committing further crimes, or failed to keep society safe

>>33326785
You are inherently and fundamentally wrong.

If you have the lack of judgement and moral fiber of a violent felon, there is no reason you should have a gun in your possession.

Rehabilitation is a myth. Fuck off ninnie

>>33329192
>prison has either failed to rehabilitate them
Prison does not rehabilitate, never has, never will. End of story. You want it to rehabilitate? Enjoy paying 5x what it currently costs to house an inmate so that there are more staff and mandatory programs. Even then recidivism will still be super high.

Prison
Does
Not
Rehabilitate
It
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>>33327261
>are okay with me
>is one

>>33328784
Right, the mentally retarded, 5 year old children, paranoid schizophrenics, etc. should all own guns because they are all citizens

You are fucking retarded.

No, and if we didn't have retarded ass law makers and could have common sense ones I would advocate for making a simple barrier to ownership because of the fucking idiots I see at ranges. It's a WELL REGULATED militia, not a RETARD MILITIA.

>>33329215
>>33329236
>Rehabilitation is a myth.

provide sauce

>>33329343
Just look at recidivism rates shitfuckdumbass

>>33322725
Nice tits

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>>33329382
lewd

>>33329215
>moral fiber

Fucking lol make sense nigger

>>33328683
Kek that image

>>33322725
no sights/10 would not operate with

>>33327202
With Jews you lose

>>33327784

No, but there's plenty of people that go to jail and want to start a new life somewhere far away from their old life when they get out.

>>33328683
>>33328566

Nor an argument. Make your case.

Or just admit you approve of the police and government abusing DUI laws as a catch-all excuse to violate people's rights with checkpoints, "smell something" searches and seizures, forced urine and blood draws, automatic DUI for underage yet under the BAC limit drivers, with no regard for the time factors involved with alcohol consumtion vs inebriation and the biological variances between individuals that affect level of impairment for a given BAC.

Just say you are in favor of the police and local goverent abusing DUI legislation to launder money through the court system, probation industry, and DUI school racket to fund their baby-grenading, dog shooting SWAT teams, political campaigns, luxury vacations, etc. all at the expense of those they pledged to represent and serve.

>>33322741
Absolutely right.

>>33328276
>please offer a solution to fix the prison system
Remove the authority of public prosecutors to bring charges for any offense other than murder.

Any offense that does not have a specific victim who can demonstrate a specific harm and chooses to press charges is not an offense at all.

>>33322725
I think that anyone who can't be trusted with a gun should be in prison/mental asylum.

>>33322725
If a crime is serious enough that the criminal needs to be stripped of the rights of a citizen for life, then they should just be executed.

If the crime is not serious enough to warrant execution, it is not serious enough to warrant the restriction of any Constitutional right.

>>33322814
>beforeandafterdiversity.webm

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>>33330359
kek

I believe no one one should own a gun

>>33330774
I believe you should stay off /k/

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>>33330350
that was extremely well put
i concur

>>33323017
I don't

>>33322725
Felons should not have guns. This helps keep guns out of the hands of those with excess melatonin.

>>33327070
>Maybe if prison was a punishment
Yeah but that failure is the fault of the state. What is the prisoner supposed to do, self-flagellate to compensate?

Perhaps both issues need to be fixed.

>>33330835
Your not going to stop felons from obtaining a firearm

>>33330911
you're right, let's just hand them to them then

>>33323420
>>33323420
If you choose to be a peice of shit, you chose to lose your rights.

Only violent offenders though. Those who are imprisoned for non violent offenses should have their rights restored on exit

>>33322725
Everyone should be able to own guns. Anyone too dangerous to be trusted with guns should be executed.

>>33322741
spbp

>>33330859
American prisons were supposed to be about rehabilitating people and making productive members of society out of them. Now it's just a moneymaking scheme.

>>33328276
>Execute all violent criminals
>Free/expunge records of all non-violent criminals and make what they were convicted of legal

>>33325630
Best post in thread

11/10

>>33330911
You can't stop all of them, but you can stop a lot of them. You make it sound like everyone can just get an illegal firearm with the snap of a finger. That's not the reality of the situation.

>>33326785
So you recommend a system where you can be arbitrarily keept in prison at the whims of a correctional counselor? Your idea works in concept but in reality fails miserably.

You put a person in for a set amount of time and then on probation. This just in since you dont understand how the system works, PROBATION IS PART OF THE SENTENCED TIME. So yes, you are out of prison but in a half way house then later indepedent until a set time to prove you wont fuck up again

>>33331080
P.S. And if they get caught with one they get in a shit load of trouble. In your scenario they get sent on their way with gun in pocket. That's dumb.

>>33322725
Have you tried not committing felonies? I mean, wrongly convicted is one thing but being convicted because you decided to be a fucking idiot demonstrates an extreme lack of good judgement on your part. You don't accidentally rob a 7/11 or beat your children and/or spouse. You don't accidentally embezzle, steal credit cards, etc.

>>33322725
Felons can file an appeal to purchase firearms.

>>33331126
>you don't accidentally rob a 7/11 or beat your children and/or spouse

>what is Scopolamine

>>33331195
If you're under the effects of drugs (assuming they're legal) and you suffer some serious side-effects, the judge should take this into consideration.

Did any of you know that if you put your prescription or OTC pills in one of those daily pill dispensers, you have just committed a felony in some states?

Now you do.

I'm a felon who has a CCWL and carries everyday and can pass NICS checks any time. I always get delayed 2 days though, in the process of acquiring a UPIN. I restored my rights after losing them.

>>33331239
If a female cannot consent to sex after one beer, how can we hold someone who robs a 7/11 after drinking a beer accountable?

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>>33330966
If we do that at least we'll keep track of the guns they have

>>33331080
True, but those that we stopped aren't the criminals. They were felons that desired protection

>>33331126
Felonies are incredibly easy to commit u knowingly.

Shit downloading a movie is a felony ffs

>>33331512
oy vey

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>>33322725
lifetime banning felons from owning firearms by a legislative act of Congress is a violation of the 2nd Amendment. Congress de jure does not have the power to make a law infringing upon the right to bear arms; de facto, of course, they do.

Judges should have the power to restrict firearm rights for a predefined amount of time based upon sentencing; i.e., during a probationary or parole period. This is done through due process and on a case-by-case basis, and is therefore constitutional.

>tfw was an actual former felon up until February this year, when CA's Prop 64 legalization of marijuana allowed me to reduce my first and only crime, felony possession of marijuana with intent to sell, to a misdemeanor

>>33322741
This... in theory. In practice, the niggers and spics and white trash that routinely go in and out of prison can't be trusted with anything, let alone a firearm.

>>33331544
we should give iran nuclear weapons because if we do that at least we'll keep track of the nukes they have

>being this fucking retarded

sure why not

>>33322725
Yes, right to protect one self is granted by God, not by the state!

>>33322741
This.

You serve your time you have all your freedoms returned to you.

>>33334611
this too

>>33334618
and this

The idea of the 'loss of civil rights' is as old as the idea of 'civil rights'.

>>33327766
False equivalence moron, pedophiles have a sexual preference, something permanently ingrained into the brain.

>>33328183
You won't. You'll get a General or Other-Than-Honorable discharge (at least right now, idk about decades ago).

t. worked on hundreds of court-martials, thousands of administrative discharges

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>allowed to own guns
>allowed
>needing to be allowed
>convicted felon
>govt/legal system decided you're a criminal
>govt/legal system decided you're wrong and they're right
>under their laws
>not your laws
>other people decided for you
>force the decision and its effects on you
But to answer simply: Yes, they should be """""allowed"""".

>>33334611
Why are right granted by God and the not the state ?

>>33323017
Can you tell use what those three laws are?

>>33329256
Yeah I don't give a fuck. I want to live in a world where absolutely everyone has guns. If they draw on someone, like 5 other people should gun them down in self defense. Fuck you you cuck.

>>33335191
I wonder what its like to be alive with a sub-80 IQ

thank you for providing a sliver of insight

>>33334917
kek