So what are the main concerns people here have with remingtons

>>33318794
there shotguns over last few years were having ejection issues
yes ejections issues in a pump
really makes you question the quality of the gun if they fuck that up
and it run and has been run by a big company aka remington is just a name now like colt or Springfield

the simple reason is the express isnt worth what they are charging when compared to the past guns, the direct knockoffs, or mossberg. if you dont care that you are overpaying for shit get one.

>>33318794
just buy an older one bruv

>>33318839
All you need to do to fix this is polish the chamber. You shouldn't have to do it, but it's not like it's a big fucking deal.
The major issue for me is the rusting. You basically will want to get it Cerakoted ASAP.

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>>33318794
You shouldn't buy a 870 because 870 is dildo tier. You should invest your hard earned shekels in one of these bad boys, /k/omrade.

>>33318839
>There

adverb
1.
in, at, or to that place or position.

Why would you buy a new 870 when the used market is full of them? Well built older 870s are everywhere.

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>>33319127
this desu.
supernova also acceptable

>>33319127
>not buying a Benelli

Magnetic feed ramps are a simple luxury that you could never appreciate until you've experienced them

>>33318794
I had an 870 with under 1K rounds almost explode on me at a 3gun match. I won't be buying another.

>>33319189
This was a new production one, not an older one.

>>33319181
Apart from the mossy, Benelli Supernova is also a very nice shotgun, expensive and fun to operate but if you want a shotgun that you can literally beat the shit out of and it will keep running as long as you feed it, go Mossberg. I've rolled 250 rounds through mine and not one failure.

>>33318794
I got an 870 last year because it was on sale. No rust yet, no cycle issues. Only cleaned it the one time.

Seems fine to me, but I do prefer the controls of my Moss 590, though the 870 LOP is perfect.

>>33318794
Mine (870 Wingmaster) had ejection problems. They were easy to fix, but they shouldn't have existed in the first place. Volquartzen extractor, polish chamber, polish "rough spot" on rear of barrel. It runs great now.

>>33319218
I have a Nova, and it operates the same as a Supernova (I think the only differences are stock and trigger guard). Less expensive, same performance, but not a lot of people seem to know about it

>>33319258
From what I've seen an heard they are quite similar. Only difference is I bought the 28" barrel trap/bird gun. I rarely bring it out because it just feels like a prissy gun, I took it camping two years ago, in 12 hours of humidity and rain she rusted right up and it wasn't the easiest thing to pump. After a 3 hour cleaning session, it's stayed in the safe ever since.

>>33319336
holy shit, where do you live that 12 hours outside could rust up a gun?

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I paid 450$ for this bundle.
How did I do?

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>tell me why I shouldn't get a new 870.
Because vintage winchesters cost about the same and are 10 times better.

>>33319430
Rocky mountains mid september. Fuck was it humid. I seen sunshine, rain, freezing rain and snow all in those 12 hours.
I seen a video on youtube on how to keep your blued barrels from rusting and the old timer said he used some brand of bicycle oil, applied it to his barrel, let sit for a few hours, wipe clean and she's waterproof and wont rust. Should find that video again, might come in handy.

>>33319497
Fantastic. Home defense rig as well I assume?

>>33318794
Get the old Remington 870s that were made before 2006 if you want the absolute best all around shotgun without the rattling loose pump

What is this supernova and magnets I hear about?

Doesn't the magnets lose it's magnetic abilities over in time rendering that part of the gun basically useless?

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Who else has one of these? I've had mine for a little while and I highly recommend it. Sold My 870 Express and Mossberg 500 because I liked this one so much.

>>33319218
When did supernovas become expensive and why is one afternoons worth a skeet a mark of reliability

>>33319770
Where the hell did you hear that, and why would that suddenly stop it from functioning as a feed ramp

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>>33319922
I got one two months ago for hunting, mostly, but it'd certainly do for home defense. I love the thing, and I'm always surprised no one talks about it, since it's right in the price neighborhood of the mossy, 870, and nova, and it's my favorite of that bunch.

I just bought a 870 for $330 four hours ago. Did I fuck up?

I picked up a police used Mossy 590A1 for $250...thing had barely been fired. Couple dings but these shotguns are more than adequately built to get bounced around a bit. Probably spent most of its time in the trunk of a cruiser.

An 8+1 shotgun with a heat shield and lug for less than $300 is a pretty good deal. 500 rounds through her with nary a problem.

>>33319336
You can get an 18.5" barel. Changing them out is easy.

>>33318794
Everything they make is poorly designed and sloppily executed. The triggers are heavy, the barrels are inaccurate, the stocks are not free floated, you have to fight the actions to get them to work. This company is a train wreck. Buy Tikka instead.

>>33320130
*shells

god fuck me

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>>33320077

Its really a nice shotgun. It deserves more credit. Maybe if some famous youtuber like hickock did a review it would get more traction

>>33320209
Location for the pump release is really nice. If you've ever tried manipulating a benelli's pump release with freezing cold hands, it hurts like a bitch and feels like you're trying to press on a knife or something. Winchester's is nice and rounded

inb4 "dae shotguns are obsolete" faggot

>>33319171
People know that's what people want, to they price them absurdly, especially for beat to shit police models.

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>>33320111
Got mine for $369, so I think you did alright

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>>33318794
>TL;DR tell me why I shouldn't get a new 870
Ok, I don't have any special inside info regarding your other questions, but this one's easy.

Because Mossberg.

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>>33319922
>>33320209
>Philippine garbage with no aftermarket under the brand name of a failing company that can't even be bothered to make them in house in America

Could you be anymore retarded?

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>have pump action shotguns thread
>nobody even tries to mention the far superior Ithaca 37
WTF anons

>>33320879
Because they're hard to find and overly expensive. I don't know why companies stop making popular products when there is clearly a market and demand for them.

>Looking at you Winchester 1200

>>33320879
not many lefties suppose.
hell i'm one and I just got used to the shells flying in my face.

>>33320910
i found one of the new Sandusky, Ohio Ithaca 37 defense models used online for a steal. Bought it up in a hurry. I've played around with a lot of 37s and I actually believe the newer shotguns from their new Ohio company are even better than the old New York guns. Not that there's anything wrong with an older 37. There are a lot of them on the used market. If you look around they can usually be had for not much more than $250-$350. Tell me what you'd like to have senpai. I know a pawn shop around here that has like 20 of them around those prices.
>>33320913
I'm not a lefty. I just like Ithaca. First time I ever picked one up and felt how smooth the pump action was I knew they were the shotguns for me. Plus they use milled steel receivers which is a major positive for me. Makes the gun a lot more robust and better balanced since most of the weight is in the receiver. Not to mention because no ejection port you can pull back the pump and open the action, pack it with your favorite flavor of the maui wowwie and rip it like a massive pipe just like our pappies and grandpappies did in the 'Nam. I absolutely love mine.

>>33318794
>pistols
The R51 won't go 50 rounds without a failure to feed or fire, and won't go 500 rounds without parts breakage. The R1, one of their "good" products, suffers from inconsistent finishes and chatter in the rifling on almost all examples.
>shotguns
Guns are shipping incomplete, the V3 and Versamax have documented instances of shipping with no gas system installed and the 870 Wingmasters are shipping with no lift gate or front bead occasionally. Chambers are out of spec (rough, oversized to the point of splitting hulls, out of round). Burrs everywhere, even on their "high QC" guns like their Wingmaster and Police models.
>rifles
Scope base mounting holes horribly out of alignment. Boogered threads on basically everything threaded. X-Mark Pro trigger group's safety tripping the sear and firing when disengaged. Firing pins breaking after single box of ammo. Rifles shipping with out of spec chambers (short, deep, oversized, off center, rough, basically every possible way of fucking up a chamber). Rifles that are so ridiculously out of true they visibly look bent. Rifles shipping with action screws torqued into bolt lugs hard enough gun is both inoperable and cosmetically damaged. Guns shipping with action screws torqued hard enough to crack the stock. Guns shipping with broken action screws that've been Elmer's-glued in place to keep them from falling out. Muzzle crowns that look like they were freehanded with a ball-end mill in a cordless drill. Barrels shipped with no crown at all, the muzzle is rough-sawn.
>over-all QC
Inconsistent and splotchy finishes that rust in transit. Guns shipping incomplete. Gun boxes shipping with no gun inside. Guns with extensive crush/impact damage arriving in pristine serial-correct boxes implying the shipping dept. at Remington knowingly put a ruined gun out the door.

>>33319922
Because it's a Turkish-made shotgun at American-made prices. It is well made though.

>>33318794
>tell me why I shouldn't get a new 870.
because George Soros' shell company bought them out?

>>33320821
>Phillippine
Istanbul Silah Corporation. They're turkshit.

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>>33320879
From the Ithaca 37 wiki page:
> On most models up to 1975, a second sear was installed that would drop the hammer as soon the gun went into battery if the trigger was in a depressed condition. Thus, holding the trigger down allowed the gun to fire the instant a new round is cycled into the chamber without requiring the trigger to be released.

What is the name of this feature? I'd like to buy a shotgun with this capability.

>>33321807
Slam fire.

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>>33321807

Slamfire. Old Winchester 1897's could slamfire, too.

I've heard tell that the new production Chinese copies of the 1897 carried over the slamfire capabilitiy--though that may be an anon telling tales out of school.

>>33319218
>250 rounds
Nigger I put over 700 rounds of #4 bird high brass, 7 1/2 bird, and 00 buck through my 500 the same day I bought it.

http://fox4kc.com/2017/03/15/federal-judge-in-kansas-city-approves-class-settlement-with-gun-maker-for-faulty-trigger/

Fuck Remington

>>33320720
Really? I got a Police at a gun show in great shape, save for a few scuffs, for just 300

>>33324777
anyone who Uses "Nigger" as you just did is obviously a cousin/sister fucking inbred and any and all "opinions" of aforementioned Sister/cousin fucker are null.

>>33321807
>>33322432
I don't think any modern production still slamfires. I know for a fact that the new Inland Manufacturing/Ithaca partnership does not allow slam-firing, and it's over priced at $1200

Slam firing is seen as a safety concern today I doubt many guns have it is a feature. A Chinknockoff may have it as an accident.

>>33328021
Do you know where you are?

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>>33319922
I bought pic related version as first shotgun. the ghost ring sight flew out after shooting some 3" slugs (prolly my fault) and the ATI buttstock seems slightly off centre even though i seem to have mounted it flush? How i fix?

>>33328021
you cant be serious? do you know where the fuck you are?

>>33320285
no one says that you autist

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>>33318794
Ever since Remington was bought out by freedomgroup© there stuff has been subjected to corporate changes, I.e. different quality control procedures.

Older Remington stuff is awesome. But newer things produced post-merge haven't lived up to the Remington name.

Also I thing freedoms group is owned by China, so if you buy Mossberg you keep your money American.

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>>33328365

>>33328021
>Nigger
found one.

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>>33328021
lol, look at this nigger.

>>33328442
I say that.
Because they are.

fuck remington then.
im not supporting the chinese and their shit QC.

i honestly just like some of the remington stocks.

>>33319770
>Doesn't the magnets lose it's magnetic abilities over in time rendering that part of the gun basically useless?

Permanent magnets are called that for a reason, and the "keeper" is the surface to which it is attached.

>>33328477
>>33318794

Also, features the mossberg590 has over (or has the same as) the 870 or 870 express:
>lug
>tube extensions
>drilled and tapped receiver for optics mounts
>screw in ejector, not rivited
>loading gate lifts up
>aluminum receiver(good or bad I guess)
>tang safety
>same price, or less, at better quality (post-freedom group remington vs. Mossberg)
>better ergos (debatable, think slide release position.)
>only shotgun to lass military trials

Probably more I'm not thinking of.
With used mossy 500/590's for sale between 300-450, your money is best spent on a 590.

>>33328128
I have a new chink 1897 and it does slam fire. It's not accidental either, sear works as intended.

>>33328021
Rednecks actually shoot, and many shoot often, nigga!

>>33328021
get a load of this nigger!

>>33318794
NOTHING.

Everyone who spouts the nonsense about Remington QC dropping after they were acquired by the supposed "liberal" Cerberus group is a fucking copy&pasta retard.

When you take into account the the volume of products they manufacture, defects will be higher but NOT disproportion to production volume as compared to any other product.

The only issue is that witch Internet technology, a defective product gets much more attention as it spreads through social media (forums, chans, twitter, blogs, etc) and falsely projects a bigger problem.

Buy what you want, if you have an issue, Remington will repair and/or replace it. under warranty just like any other product/company would. It's just that guntards like to talk up a good "operator/specialist" game, out of their ass.

Of course the new meme is get a Benelli.

>>33319189
>operator error
You don't know how to use a shotgun.

>>33328684
>t. Remington Nigger

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Rem 870 Police, get it.

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Rem 870 Police, got it.

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Rem 11-87 Police, good.

>>33328713
>t. Ninja Operator Tier

>>33328684
>he said as defective triggers are killing people
t. RIDF

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>>33328021
actual nigga here

where the fuck do you think you are?

>>33319150
Shit, sorry


they're shotguns over last few years were having ejection issues
yes ejections issues in a pump
really makes you question the quality of the gun if they fuck that up
and it run and has been run by a big company aka remington is just a name now like colt or Springfield

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>>33328021
You wanna know how I know you're new here friend?

>>33329575
Have a Remington 700 PSS and a Remington 700 LTR.

They have never fired on their own. I think that's a load of horse shit, ie operator error, mostly.