Samurai are overrated, why doesn't anyone talk about

>>33318409
>Jinyiwei
because no anime and no 7 Jinyiwei's.

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>>33318421
>anime

>>33318465
you know where you're posting, right?

>>33318486
yeah, I'm posting in /k/

>allegedly abused their authority during the investigation of a rebellion plot by Lan Yu, in which about 40,000 people were implicated and executed.
>abuse authority
>40,000 executed

Yeah, I'd think that qualifies as an abuse

>>33318409
they still would die if hit with a modern gun

>>33318535
what if all 40000 were traitors though?

The fuck is a jinny weigh

>>33318535
AND HOW COME NOBODY TALKS ABOUT THAT!?

>>33318535
Inquisitors doing what they does best.

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>>33318409
They werent elite forces during their time. They are imperial Inquisitors.

The elite forces of the Ming are the Iron Men, who kicked the Dutch's butts and retook Taiwan for the chinese empire.

The dutch feared them like nothing else.

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>>33318995
They were also said to be immune against most projectile weapons that the Dutch had.

>>33318409
So is this the chink copy of the samurai? Have they really been copying since ancient times?

>>33319100
>chink copy of the samurai?
That's like saying the samurai is the Jap copy of the knight.

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>>33319120
>europe does feudalism first
>japan develops it afterwords

Fuckers even copied western anti semitism. Don't put nothing past the Rice'd jew

>>33319154
>Implying I'm correct

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>>33318409
Because fuck the Chinese is why. God willing those evil heathens will give us an excuse to bomb then into the stone age shortly.

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>>33319100
China doesnt have a warrior-caste like the Samurai, since it isnt some backwards shitty island country that still practizes feudalism, as if it was the dark ages.

China was always a centralized empire state with a bureaucracy and civilian regional governors, who got their position not because they were related to some sheep-fucking inbred noble family, but by passing imperial examinations.

Only Japan is so backwards that they have to rely on illiterates with swords to rule the peasantry and gain some semblance of bureaucratic control over their realm.

Jing Yi Wei are persecutors, judges and executioners in one person, carrying the imperial seal that gives them the authority to request any means necessary to purge crime and corruption in the imperium.

They are basically 15th century Judge Dredds. They were feared as fuck by the officialdom. If you are a bureaucrat and see them coming into your office, you better take your sword and stab yourself to death. Since you would face a worse fate at their hands.

>>33319176
Good story. Here's two yuan. I just love myths and legends

>>33319176
Jesus christ that hurt my eyes to read. maybe you should learn the english language before you criticize "illiterates"

>>33319176
>t.Nanking

>>33319238
it's true, tho.

>implying Samurai werent just pedophilic serial killers who murdered peasants without any reason.

>>33319174
God is gay tho.

>>33319333
>holy trinity get
Deus Vult, destroy the commies.

>>33319362
You had your chance with the Taiping Rebels.

But they behaved like Christian ISIS and were thus stomped. Christianity's appeal in China ended since then.

>>33319389
Of course that explains the hundred million underground Chinese Churches. Christianity is totally dead in China.

>>33319465
CIA terrorist cells arent "churches".

Same reason why "Free Syrian Army" is neither Free, nor Syrian, nor an Army.

>>33319465

Just like the hundred million underground Muslim Brotherhood chapters in the US, just waiting in the wings to take over!!!!

Your paranoid fantasies are showing, anon.

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>>33319389
they don't have to worship the one right god if they don't want to, i just sincerely hope for their sake they shrug off the yoke of the CPC.

>>33319486
vatnik get out.

>>33319486
>CIA terror cells count in the hundreds of millions

>>33319494
>Falun Dafa

kek.

Scam-cult is now "religion".

The founder still claims that he can float in the sky and can extend your lifespan by you offering him your virginity (only if you are a underage girl)

>>33319488
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10776023/China-on-course-to-become-worlds-most-Christian-nation-within-15-years.html

HURR HURR CHRISTFAGS

>>33319571
Christianity doesnt mean that China likes you.

Sun Yatsen, a harcore Christian, wrote about the Han-people's genetic and cultural superiority over all races in the world, including the Whites.

He overthrew the Manchu Dynasty in 1911 not because he wanted "democracy" but because he couldnt bear to watch the Han being ruled by babarian subhuman nomad offspring.

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>>33318465

>>33318535
This is chinese history, someone sneezes the wrong way and 100,000 peasants die

>>33319619
Nice goal post moving.

>>33319619
Still better than communism. And there are more Christians in China than actual card carrying communists.

>>33319645
Pretty much the case. taiping rebellion cost upwards of 100 million death.

>>33319667
Well DUH. just like there are more christfag in the us than card carrying republicans.

What are you trying to say besides telling us you're dumb?

>>33319657
No, just being a veteran Christfag stomper here.

I know what you guys want.

>China joining the West in their crusade against the Muslims and chink girls offering their pussies to White Priests and Missionaries from the West.

Will not happen.

Chinese are nationalists first and -insert religion- second.


>>33319667
Great. So you dont mind a Chinese christian army taking over Taiwan? Or a Chinese christian nuke blasting the US?

>implying that religion can prevent great-power conflict.

Hell, Russia must be friends with the US, if religion was the variable!

>>33319703
>No, just being a veteran Christfag stomper here.
Making dumb statements and getting proven wrong sure is how veteran "christfag stompers" operate.

I recomend getting over yourself.

>>33318409
I like his maxi skirt.

I'm surprised at the amount of historical trivia that /k/ can dig up.

>>33318995
>>33319040

These posts got me to look up the battles between the Dutch East India company and the Ming remnants, and actually explained fully why my mother's side of the family has the common Dutch features that are prevalent in Southern Taiwan.

Thanks /k/, you guys are awesome.

>>33319040
thats what armor does. It makes you immune against most projectile weapons.

>>33319703
I don't mind having communists hung and shot in the street beforehand. You still seem to think like I'm some republican southerner, kek.

>NATO

Lel, are you Serbian?

>>33319695
Nope, just like proving you wrong if you think Christianity has no future in China.

>>33319719
christfags are pathetic humans.

And why do you even care? As some dumb murricunt, you surely are evangelical or some shit. China doesnt ban that since they swear no allegiance to the Pope. China only bans churches that do, and they are catholics. There are no underground churches that are non-catholic, since they dont have to.

But now, the Pope is also even bending his knees to the CCP now because he has given up intefering in the CCP's process of selecting loyal Bishops kek.

>>33319645
to say nothing of water-related natural disasters

>>33319778
>christfags are pathetic humans.
Said the chink shill. :)

You should really see a councilor about those inadaquacy issues.

>>33319806
Seriously, why do christfags even care whether it is the communists who select the bishops for China or some dumbfuck in the Vatican?
This is the only issue China ever had with the Catholics, really.

In the end, either bishop will turn out to be some child-rapist, so whatever.

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>>33318409
>why doesn't anyone talk about the Jinyiwei?

Because their blades were folded only 999 times.

>>33319645
Someone decides to trial Communism as a joke and 100,000,000 peasants die

>>33319853

Not who you're responding to, but look at what the Chinese have done with regard to Tibetan Buddhist sects.

>Other Llamas held by the Chinese, even the children declared to be Llamas, disappear and are held by the CCP
>Chinese say that when the Dalai Llama dies they must have a hand in selecting his successor
>He says that maybe this time he won't reincarnate
>Chinese rage at the suggestion

If you think that they wouldn't try to espionage the shit out of the Vatican and that it wouldn't be a constant battle with Chinese spies trying to turn it into a tool of Chinese domestic and foreign policy if they open up to them you're sadly mistaken.

>>33319945
this is legitimate.


The West has supported Tibetan insurgencies in the past, just as they have supporting the Christian Taiping ISIS shits.

They should be happy that they are allowed to live after what they have caused.

>>33319945
He's a chinkposter. If the Party said water was unhealty, he'd die of thirst.

You can't reason with communists

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>>33318409
The first rule of the Jinyiwei.

THERE IS NO TALKING ABOUT THE JINYWEI!

You must go back now.

>>33319968

>China annexes Tibet
>People back Tibetan independence movements
>"dis so wong! we condemn west!"

I don't know if you're trolling or Chinese.

>>33319978

>he's a chinkposter

Ahh.

>>33319978
If the Bible says the World is only 5000 years old, then a christian would go into a college and kill a professor teaching Darwin.

there is no reasoning with christshits.

>>33319998
Wow, you have such a nuanced reading of history...

>>33319998
>China annexes Tibet

wrong.

Tibet has illegally declared independence during Chinese civil war, with lots of Indian and British support. China taking back Tibet was as legitimate as the Ukraine attempting to take back Crimea.

>People back Tibetan independence movements

Wrong.

People were butthurt that China reclaimed lost land and CIA dropped tibetan terrorists they have trained with parachutes back to Tibet to cause civil disorder and sabotage infrastructure.


>"dis so wong! we condemn west!"

If this isnt wrong, then Russia's landgrab of Crimea is also not wrong.

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>>33320011
>he said as it's generally accepted by Christians that the world is more than 5000 years old

Chinkshits still salty they're a petty third world dictatorship. Don't worry bucko, one day you'll grow up and realize that the Party isn't God. i just hope you don't realize this as they're setting you up against a wall.

>>33320049
>China taking back Tibet was as legitimate as the Ukraine attempting to take back Crimea.
So not legitimate at all? Got it.

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>>33320068
The Party isnt god, because the Party actually exists and God does not.

#rekt


Also, the Party and Communism made China strong, while Christianity made China weak. This is a historical fact, no matter how you turn it.


Pic: Christian China never had these.

>>33320107
More legitimate than some sheepfucking white settlers taking over native american land by spreading disease and murder.

>>33319644
??????????????

>>33320216

>The Party and Communism made China strong

Historically strong man of Asia is now sick man of Asia.

>>33320233
Historical strong China wasnt christian. It was confucian-buddhist.

Christian China was the sick man of asia, since Sun Yatsen's christian republic was raped by literally everyone, including fellow christians with their colonies.

Now, China is has returned as being the strong man of asia again. With no christians in any position of power.

Hmm... Really makes you think.

Maybe killing all christians and throwing out the missionaries really saves a nation, after all?

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>>33320216
Pic: Christian China never had this

#rekt

>>33320303
Oh, China was no stranger to mass starvations during pre-commie era. And for no purpose.

At least the GLF has industrialized China's Northeast and built the infrastructural base, despite all the failures. Christianity only created Taiping rebellion with 30 million dead people, dying for absolutely nothing. At least the GLF was aimed for the betterment of China and not just to convert it to some Religion.

>>33320271

China is not the strong man of Asia, it's a paper tiger with an economy that can be summarized as a house of cards stacked onto a handful of ponzi schemes. It is currently acting like it is the strong man of Asia because it is trying to distract the populace from the Party's failure.

>>33320325
>killed millions for the betterment of China
>it's still a thirdworld shithole that can't feed itself without massive foreign imports, you can't drink the water without growing a third arm due to the extreme pollution and you can be put in gulag for disagreeing with the Party

We get it. you lack self awareness.

>>33320334
>it's a paper tiger with an economy that can be summarized as a house of cards stacked onto a handful of ponzi schemes
I didn't know vocational schools granted economics degrees.

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>>33320334
Good memes, Gordon.

China is fucking strong and I enjoy seeing your tears every single day.

Look at that.

Christianity sucks. Communism rules!

>>33320356
>without massive foreign imports
full of shit. Imported soy is for animal feeds. Why don't you actually open a fucking book and look at Chinese rice yield per hectare.

Don't get your stats from 4chan, because most people here are retards.

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>>33320216
There was never a christian china.

The sad thing is you've completely destroyed your native traditions. Taoism, Buddhism? No one on the mainland even has a clue what these things were today, and that's including your official state-paid 'priests' who suck a living from what remains of your temples.

The sad thing is that Mao did more damage to China than all the foreign devils put together could manage, and you're all still afraid to admit that. And you have to admit it before you can even begin to try to undo the damage.

All that remains of China's heritage is currently under threat in Taiwan.

>>33319986
KEK is this the same girl?

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>>33318409
>Jinyiwei
Rearranged:
>Jew I I Yin
>Jew
>JEW

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>>33319494
>>33319563
I got to see some Falun Gong folks in action when I went to Taiwan this most recent Christmas. They were in several places, one was in front of Taipei 101, protesting China. Another was in front of the National Palace Museum, where several of them stood doing their posing exercises where they hold a pose and stand stark still. When we came back the other way, they were meditating. Several walked around in orange clothes and tried to hand out fliers to people, with the same protest image and words (in Mandarin and English) against China.

I personally can't shit talk. At least they're active in protest about what they believe.

>>33320216
>Party and Communism made China strong,
Playing the Soviets off of the Americans and vice versa made China a regional power in a region crippled economically by post colonial civil conflict.

Your crash industrialization has made you the world's purveyor of shit that uses manufacturer processes too toxic to do cost effectively anywhere there are environmental controls.

It's not going to last forever, the information age has exposed your workers to how life could be (and is in the developed world), and so your workers are going to demand their share.

Demands such as this cannot be met by central control. You have your finger in the crack of a dam, and the crack is growing.

>>33320216
pretty sure the opium wars made china weak senpai

>>33320394
If China has to become Taiwan to be considered traditional Chinese, I would rather have no China at all kek.

Chinese culture is the way Chinese people live, not temples and architecture.
This is something westeners will never understand, who have no culture and thus value their stones and bricks so much, thinking that their destruction will end their traditions (in reality, degeneration and SJW ends your traditions, but whatever).

China's culture is never to suck White/Jap cocks as the Taiwanese do.

Chinese culture is to dominate Asia. And we are on the way to that.

>>33320424
Opium Wars lead to christian missionaries, which led to a certain missionary brainwashing some failed imperial examinant who was frustrated, which then led to the biggest and worst civil war in human history, led by the same guy who now claims to be Jesus' little brother.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion

>>33320325
>Taiping rebellion with 30 million dead people
Now it's 30 million? Chink poster up stream said 100 million.

Is the next chinkpost going to say 10 million? Will it cease to be a lie then, or will we have to wait for additional iterations?

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>>33320459
see
>>33320455

>>33319754

>Literal Rape baby.
>Omg i'm 1/8888th Dutch.

It's worse if you were a girl claiming hapa heritage.

>>33320482
>tfw no Dutch bull to breed my half black gf

>>33320388
>map purposely didn't include the literally thousands of intra-state expressways that feed into the national system

really makes a chink

>>33320455
>claims to be jesus brother

what an apostate

>missionary was some german evangelical

why am I not surprised?
germans, not even once

Friendly reminder all Abrahamic religions are the scourge of the earth

>>33320480
So "best estimate" is 20 million, but even that is basically taking the word of successor states with a vested interest in badmouthing the "Taiping Heavenly Kingdom", but not subscribing to the inflated claims of later successor kingdoms eager to blame every failure since the Ming Dynasty on this most visible of early rebellions.

K.

>>33320660
> word of successor states with a vested interest in badmouthing the "Taiping Heavenly Kingdom",

You do realize that the Communist actually have a very positive view on them, do you? They were considered proto-communists, because they abolished private property in their "liberated areas" and equalized men and women. Also their uprising was seen as a worker's and peasant's struggle against wealthy landowners (which it was, since they collectivized farmland as well, after beating the landowners to death).

Communists have absolutely no vested interest in badmouthing them. During cultural revolution, it was even ordered that people sang songs to their cause.

It was just modern research that pointed out that they were basically no better than christian ISIS.

>>33320429
You sound Japanese.

>>33319176
So you're saying China was always easy pickings for a professional military?

>>33320711
China always had a professional military, as in standing army who were paid in wages and not in loot.

Also,

The Japs with their dumb warrior culture (which was not professional by any means, since it was a feudal army) lost in Korea and the Americans in the 50s as well (but they were niggers anyway).

Japan should of continued Nanking instead of attacking the usa

>>33320805
They attacked the US because they couldnt Nanking anymore.

Same reason why the USA lost Vietnam, despite committing million times more Nanking by napalm and agent orange.

>>33320394
>Taoism, Buddhism
there is dumb, then there is you.

You should get into the habit of not spouting shit you have no clue on.

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>>33320830
As should you, my brother.

>>33320459
are you autistic or just illiterate? I'm very curious.

>>33320830
Really tho, China was always a pragmatic country. If anything, Pragmatism was their culture and religion.

And Buddhism and Taoism both failed spectacularily.

Boxer rebels were taoist, thinking that their magic could stop western bullets. And they lost hard.

Cixi believed in Buddist shit and ruined the empire. Her corpse was rightfully looted and shat on during the Republic.

But Communism... Communism made China strong as fuck, kicking the US out of North Korea, protecting their puffer-state and bringing the Atomic bomb.

China choses communism because it is simply the best for the country's might and unity, while capitalist economy is best for China's wealth. Pragmatism at its best.

And there is no place for Christianity, because it brings nothing worthwhile.

...Meanwhile, in the democratic West, people are getting triggered over colleges not having dedicated toilets for transgendered mesosexuals.

Another thing Chinese pragmatists will never adopt.

'Pivot to the Pacific' is over, senior U.S. diplomat says

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/unpredictable-funding-biggest-threat-to-army

>WASHINGTON — The Obama administration’s Pacific rebalance effort — also known as the Pivot to the Pacific — effort is officially dead, according to a top State Department official.

>Asked by reporters about the future of the rebalance, Acting Assistant Secretary of State Susan Thornton said Monday that the new administration has its own plan for the region, even if that plan has yet to take shape.

>“Pivot, rebalance, etcetera — that was a word that was used to describe the Asia policy in the last administration. I think you can probably expect that this administration will have its own formulation. We haven’t really seen in detail, kind of, what that formulation will be or if there even will be a formulation,” she said
>the Pivot to the Pacific — effort is officially dead,


YEEE

>>33320991
Good. It was a dumb idea.

The Chinese regime is going to fall just as soon as they run out of external threats to distract their people with.

The sooner the better. For all of us.

>>33320920
>Really tho, China was always a pragmatic country.
yeah...no.

I'm Chinese, and I have a rather dim view of the dogmatic adherence to Confucianism exhibited for the majority of Chinese history. If you want to look at a truly pragmatic Chinese philosophy, look at Mozi. Of course that was wiped out because it ran counter to Confucius.

Mozi is actually my favorite Chinese philosopher.

>>33319176
>Jinyiwei were rice carrying girls that squealed at the first sign of blood

it's no wonder why the japanese easily conquered you savages or how a few hundred british managed to fuck your country into opium addiction

>>33321015
Even confucianism wasnt hardcore applied by the Chinese, as oppossed to the Japanese.

Chinese culture knows no peer-pressure, no shame-based society, no committing sudoku because Lord ordered you to.

Even in that realm, Chinese people always chose the most pragmatic and down to earth interpretation to all rules and regulations.

You know this is true.

>>33321009
>The Chinese regime is going to fall just as soon as they run out of external threats to distract their people with.
The same song and dance that's been played for what? 40 years?

>>33321009
>The _______ regime is going to fall just as soon as they run out of external threats to distract their people with.
wall

>>33321034
>confucianism wasnt hardcore applied by the Chinese, as oppossed to the Japanese.
everything is in the interpretation.

>Chinese culture knows no peer-pressure, no shame-based society
absolutely false. You must have grown up in the West. In China, appearance is standing is help in very high regards. I wish the Chinese were a more practical people.

>>33321134
>In China, appearance is standing is help in very high regards.

You mean face? Yeah, there is some pressure through that, but not as extreme as in Japan or Korea where you kys when losing face.

>>33321200
I have the feeling that I'm conversing with a youngster with some serious identify issues. I'm afraid such a participant is not suited for a correspondence on this subject. I bit you good night, and good posting.

>>33321134

kek, if China had a shame-based peer-pressure society, there wouldnt be so many frauds, cheaters and fakers.

They would kill themselves for losing their face by getting exposed.

>>33321230
you might want to look at the industrialization of every country. They all had the same problem. Even Japan, even Korea, and definitely the US.

There are several facets to the problems:
1) lack of consumer sophistication
2) lack of enforcement
3) lack of education
4) lack of infrastructure

It's not a cultural of geographically specific occurrence.
Of course you wouldn't know that, because the only time you had a book close to your face is when your mom's smacking you with it.

Do yourself a favor. Instead of shitposting on 4chan, actually get yourself an education.

>>33321287
indeed you are right.

HK and Taiwan back in the 70s were shitholes, morally speaking, as well.

But China is arguably the more pragmatist place due to a more modern understanding of culture. Role of the women in society, how not to kill yourself because you lost face, and all that.

Japs are arguably the biggest confucian fundamentalists there is, while the Chinese are a lot more chill with that.

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>>33320920
>And Buddhism and Taoism both failed spectacularily.
They're religions not systems of magic. This is the problem. Mainlanders today don't even understand the concept of religion. They go to the temples for magic, and the state pays charlatans to stand in the temples and take money.

But religion is long dead in the country. It doesn't exist, the memory of it doesn't exist, no one even remembers the concept.

Mao did you no favors, Communism didn't make you stronger, they did incredible damage to your nation, he destroyed your culture, he destroyed your history, he left you a nation that doesn't know any better than to spit and pee and shit in the streets.

>>33319176
China DID have a warrior class back in the early dynasties.

The class is called Shi "士". It's the lowest feudal class, equivalent to the European Knight. The class system was abolished, after Warring State Era when China transformed from Feudal system to central bureaucracy.

The gentile class in China is also well trained in martial arts, two out of 5 discipline required to be a "gentleman" are archery and swordsmanship. This is why when the educated class starts protesting in ancient China, even the king was shitting his pants. Because it's the equivalent of an army of european knights protesting in front of the tower of london.

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>>33319703
China had several wars with Muslims in their border or was expanding into its border. It happened in Ming and Qing dynasty.

Muslims lost every time, because China gave no fucks about religious freedom or human rights. The Imperial army basically destroyed the Muslim rebels in battle, then everyone that picked up arms against the empire were executed, their families forced to relocate to different parts of China and forcefully assimilated.

This is the reason Muslims in China is known for their kosher cuisine and not for their religious fanaticism.

You can only fight fire with fire. Islam demands every one to bend their knee to Islam, China said fuck you and cut off Muslim's knees.

>>33321536
>This is the reason Muslims in China is known for their kosher cuisine and not for their religious fanaticism.
This is why the PRC is going to require that every motor vehicle in Xinjiang Prefecture be equipped with a GPS tracker in order to be allowed to purchase fuel, yes?

Has nothing to do with terror attacks and restiveness, right? 100% about maximising Han ability to seek out tasty halal treats day or night.

>>33321385
Fucking taiwan in the 50s to 70s literally had a period called the "WHITE TERROR" white fucking terror. It's a period of McCarthyism with steroids. Political persecution was rampant, even today, some people are still in jail from that period for political persecution.

>>33321588
The last purge was like 200 years ago... so... maybe time for one more.

>>33320710
His grandfather was, so it makes sense.

>>33321460
>They're religions not systems of magic.
ask me how I know you're a whittie.

This is what almost ALL casual western observers have a problem with. East Asian religion, especially Chinese religion, are not organized religions in the western sense. There is very little hierarchy involved. It's more of a way of life.

Even before the cultural revolution, religion in China can be more aptly described as superstition.

The key difference, IMO, is the lack of DOCTRINE.

>>33318409
First of all, forget about Donnie Yen movie version Jinyiwei. Super elite Jinyiwei only exist during the 1st Ming emperor, by the time the 2nd emperor (technically is the 3rd, but real 2nd was dethroned by his uncle thus written off as usurper), Jingyiwei already lost their influence and dickless eunuchs was given power over them.

>>33321792
you mean Dogma?

And yes you are right.

Also people in the west often are have criticism over the chinese government being the head of religious organization, for example, the government is the head of catholic church in china.

But people in the west forget about Henry the 8th and his English Reformation, where the crown confiscated all properties of the church and made the monarch head of christian church in england and not the pope.

Even today, the head of church in Britain is the Queen.

China had its own Reformation very early in history. So religions in China lost their control over people long ago.

I'm fairly sure it's the same in Japan, the Emperor is head of the shinto sect isn't it?

>>33321794
Given how the praetorian guard fucked over rome hard, not letting an elite force having true power is pretty smart move.

>>33321460
>Mao did you no favors
false
>Communism didn't make you stronger
false
>they did incredible damage to your nation
China was already damaged goods after the Fall of Qing. Maybe even 100 years before that.
>he destroyed your culture
True
>he left you a nation that doesn't know any better than to spit and pee and shit in the streets
Like, you now, India? I didn't know Mao was there too. OH WAIT, it's like it's more of a developmental than a cultural phenomenon.

Pseudo-Intellectuals on 4chan really put a capital S in Stupid.

>>33321865
People don't realize China was sanctioned and fucked over just like what US's doing to Iran right now when China was developing her first nuclear weapons.

If not for Mao's "fuck you" attitude, China now would be a shit hole no body country just like Iran and getting sanctioned dirt poor like North Korea.

Mao in the 60s and 70s basically said "fuck you I do whatever I want" to not only US and allies but also to Soviet Union.

After China detonated her first fission bomb then first fusion hydrogen bomb, sanctions were lifted and Nixon put a smile on his fuck face and visited China to establish diplomatic and trade relations.

Now China sits on one of the permanent seat in the UN security council.

Power is power, power backed by military force is the real power.

>>33319176
but the britbongs turned china into their bottom bitch by hooking them on that H.

china CONFIRMED FOR HOP HEADED PUERTO RICAN GIRL IN SPANISH HARLEM IN THE 1970'S.

>>33319703
i bet you have your own chair at the vape lounge too.

>a thread about ancient Chinese culture is derailed by a brainwashed commie retard
It's like pottery.

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>>33321792
>ask me how I know you're a whittie.
You're projecting.

>>33321792
>This is what almost ALL casual western observers have a problem with. East Asian religion, especially Chinese religion, are not organized religions in the western sense. There is very little hierarchy involved. It's more of a way of life.
That's absolutely correct.

But they're still religions. Like I said, visit the temples in Taiwan. Then visit the temples on the mainland. the difference is night and day. The mainland lost everything religious except the buildings. They pay people to make the motions and take the money and they do the best they can, but no one has any idea what any of this is supposed to actually mean. They're just throwing money in a wishing well.

>>33321792
>Even before the cultural revolution, religion in China can be more aptly described as superstition.
THAT is not true at all.

>>33321865
>Like, you now, India? I didn't know Mao was there too. OH WAIT, it's like it's more of a developmental than a cultural phenomenon.
I'm not Indian, and they don't shit in the streets in Taiwan. They didn't shit in the streets in China before Mao either.

He murdered nearly everyone with an education and then sent what become the 'lost generation' out with a mission to terrorize any remnants that survived. China is paying dearly for that still today and will be paying dearly for it for at least one more generation to come.

>>33321977
what the fuck anon! why do you even have that shit in your computer.

>>33321966
talking about ancient china will always inevitably drag in commie china, because commie china is ancient china extended.

People in Italy now are not Romans. People in Egypt now are not ancient Egyptians. People in Greece now are Turkish bastards. But people in China now is still the same as before.

To talk about commie china is talking about ancient china, but with a different name.

>>33321991
It's technically child porn. We are technically all fucked by that picture.

>>33320388
wait, doesnt the chinese interstate system include dirt logging trails, and river ferries too?

>>33321991
Dude that's normal shit in any city in China today. It's fucking sick, you can't go 5 blocks without coming across this shit. A lot of times a crowd gathers around to watch and make comments. It's one of the really sick things about mainland china. They go to other countries and do this and then there's outrage when they get in trouble too.

example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQPMCVwtko8

5 minutes with google or baidu will give you a dozen more easily

>>33322054
Dog pees on lawn. Human pee's just the same.

>>33321863
Unfortunate for the Ming, those half-men gained too much power that they turn into praetorian guards! Ultimately, due to lack of proper warrior class or professional soldiers coupled with rampant corruption due to those ball-less fuckers caused the Ming embroiled in rebellion and ended with Manchu invaders conquering the Han.

>>33322000

>campaign to destroy ancient Chinese culture
>wipe out tradition and priceless heirlooms
>now that it's stable claim to have the heritage of ancient China

It's almost cute.

>>33321977
>visit the temples in Taiwan. Then visit the temples on the mainland.
I have a fairly extensive collection of photographs I took when I toured some of the famous Chinese temples. Would you like to take a look? Or you can, you know, just google.

But I get it, anon. You're a dumb fuck in real life, and it's seldom you are not bested in a contest of intelligence (or probably strength for that matter, you limp wristed faggot). So here, on 4chan, without a big bad bully to punch you in the face to let you know it's time to STFU, you feel victory close within grasp. You just have to POST that LAST POST. Get the LAST WORD in. Then, you'll finally taste victory.

Well, I got bad news for you. You're dumb, and you're gonna have a very unfortunate life.

So allow me to be charitable. Yes, you're absolutely right. I don't know anything about the People's Republic, or Chinese history for that matter, and you're a true expert. A real sage amongst us plebs.

You can sleep with a smile on your face now.

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>>33322000
>Spends decades destroying thousands of years worth of ancient chinese relics and cultural heritage
>Now decides lol we were actually ancient chinese all along

The PRC is many things, but a successor to ancient china they are not

>>33322095
If you don't improve your syntax the commissar is going to downgrade you .40, chang.

>>33322147
>but a successor to ancient china they are not
Another dynasty in Peking they are.
But let's be honest here. The opinion of a shit eating whiteguy on 4chan (hint: you) has very little impact on what the PRC perceives as it's Heavenly Mandate.

If you want to go shit up a thread with your misguided notion of "history", go to /pol/. They love that shit there.

>>33322154
I'm sorry you have difficulty reading anything that isn't a run on sentence.

>>33322095
>wumao this mad he doesnt even bother addressing the point
The CPC spent many years and resources scrubbing out their traditions and history ("the four olds", in the words of your great and wise chairman) and replaced it with their communist gobbledygook

Don't forget to collect your 50 cents on the way out.

>>33322058
Is this b8?

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>>33322166
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1X4kFlxlpc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXq7FUZdlPs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHB28vtRSg8

>>33322185
Cultural revolution wasn't all bad. It did destroy hella things but it also destroyed many traditions that shackled the masses.

Like superstition, religion, old beliefs, old bad customs, gender inequality (in before killing girl babies), class inequality (class as in English style lords and peasants). It also pretty much killed hereditary wealth through confiscation.

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>>33322233

Fuuuck, check those dubs, trips, trips.

Check em.

>>33322185
so in 10 years (the duration of the Cultural Revolution, in case you didn't know), the CCP managed to destroy 5 millennia of culture?

You give them too much credit.

Don't forget to wake up early. The short bus comes before the regular one.

>>33322180
Stop ingesting melamine.

>>33322185
You can diss the commie government all you want. But the truth is chinese people do support their government and without the strong man commie government china would be a shit hole now.

Back in the cold war era, both soviets and US sanctions China. A democratic government, or even a government that's weak would basically die under that kind of pressure. Just look to Iran, Iraq, best Korea, etc.

Chinese people are not morons. They know their government's no saint and they know their government will do everything in its power, including killing its own, to ensure china growing ever larger.

It's a deal the chinese people had with all their previous dynasties throughout history. Trading some liberty for stability and effective governing. When China wants to build a new high speed rail network, the government won't debate and gets lobbied back and forth like int he US. It just gets done. Every Chinese new years China has the largest human migration on the planet, tens of millions of people travel by train going back home then after going back work. That feat along is a statement towards the quality of their infrastructure and government logistical abilities.

>>33322261
>>superstition, religion, old beliefs, old bad customs, gender inequality
These were already on the way out in the days of the RoC

>>class inequality
The CPC ruled with an iron fist, and killed more Chinese than the Japanese invasion. All Mao succeeded in doing was replace one oppressive ruling class with another.
But of course, as with most communist movements in history, that was probably his plan all along

>>hereditary wealth through confiscation
>Party owns everything
>Haha! There's nothing for those evil landowners to confiscate now! Now what to do with all these shiny bits...

>>33322328
I live in the states and earn around 500k a year. I'm not ingesting any melamine.

You, however, need to stop chugging cum from your fellow white power brothers.

>>33322285
It destroyed many physical artifacts. But it did not destroy the culture.

Chinese culture, faithfulness to family and country, unity above all else, literature, music, traditional arts... etc. They are still there.

>>33322354
Sure, and I'm a malaysian banking magnate. Your commissar must be so proud.

>>33322370
>They are still there
In foreign immigrants.

>>33320228
The banner image is an anime my dude. Shit's a part of the "culture" here.

>>33322345
>The CPC ruled with an iron fist
like everyone else
>killed more Chinese than the Japanese invasion
where did you get that figure? The Black Book of Communism?
> All Mao succeeded in doing was replace one oppressive ruling class with another.
False. Mao succeeded in replacing CHAOS with ORDERLY OPPRESSION.
>Party owns everything
There was some truth to that due to the roles of the SOE even in the early 2000's, but I doubt you've pruned any analysis on such topics.
>Haha! There's nothing for those evil landowners to confiscate now! Now what to do with all these shiny bits...
Are you, perhaps, autistic? Or maybe just born with an extra pair of chromosomes?

>>33322377

Malaysian, ewww. I'm feel sorry for you.

>>33322392
>t. gullible liar

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>>33322377
I posted my 2016 W2 twice on k/ already. SS wage was around 380k. Plus my capital gain, 2016 taxable income was a bit north of 500k.

I'm sorry not everyone lives on a poverty wage like you.

>>33320920
China might as well be the strongest cancer patient of the planet then.

>>33322455
or maybe....
X-MEN

>>33322390
The famines caused during the great leap backward are well documented

Even mainland chinese sources agree - which, amazingly, only surfaced after he and his pet psychopaths were gone

>>33322409
>no timestamp or ID
A failure, just like your grandparents.

>>33322488
wanna play a game? you gather up all the your guns and W2, timestamp and take a picture of it.

Then I'll do the same.

Let's put all our cards on the table.

>>33322409
>rich bourgeois hoarding and flaunting his wealth and shitting on the working class
not a very good communist, are you?

after all, the chinese word for communism is derived from the word for "share" so...

>>33319494
I was wondering what the gooks did early morning in the malls.

>>33322477
>which, amazingly, only surfaced after he and his pet psychopaths were gone
>amazingly
Why is this amazing to you? Mao was an egotistical maniac. Of course he wouldn't have let his failures become well known.

The issue I have is with the numbers. And you really are in no position to use the phrase "well documented" when you've never set foot into the archives.

I suggest you apply a bit more intellectual honesty when it comes to numbers.

Actually, do what you want. I already know the caliber of your replies.

>>33320920
Boxer rebels were not taoist no... that's just factually incorrect.

Boxer rebel is a populist and nationalist movement of largely peasants. They are influenced and organized by a cult that spread through teaching "martial arts" called Yi He style.

The aim of the rebellion is to rid China of foreign influence, including political and religious. They did believe some magical shits, but that's not because they are religious, but because they were a fucking nut crazy cult.

It's not a Taoist movement.

Before Boxer rebellion there were the Taiping rebellion, also a cult.

Both rebellion had huge traction because China then was a shit hole. Economy ruined by mismanagement and further exacerbated by paying reparations to foreign invaders.

China has Zenism which is derived from Buddhism, not Buddhism (as the one in India).

>>33322498
>Let's put all our cards on the table
Your social first.

>>33322509
>word for "share" so..
>share
共产主义
it's not. And you're a retard. 4chan suits you just fine.

>>33322477
>>33322518

The famine was caused by natural disasters. The only fault the commie government have is mismanagement.

It's like blaming Bush for Katrina.

>>33319176
>Jing Yi Wei are persecutors, judges and executioners in one person, carrying the imperial seal

Sign me up.

>>33322545
>4chan is for retards
>imma post here

>>33322518
>you've never set foot into the archives.
Neither have you

Most estimates for Chinese deaths during the great leap forward range between 20 and 60 million. The number of credible estimates below that range can be counted comfortably on one hand

We can go back and forth about whether it was 10 million or 40 million as much as you like, the fact remains that an astronomical number of Chinese people died as a result of Mao's ridiculous policies

Try again.

>>33322610
Why are you people having an argument over the past?

It's like arguing with Americans about how they killed natives and enslaved niggers.

What's the point exactly? It's not like Chinese or the Chinese government are denying them.

Trying to feel good by having some moral superiority?

>>33322545
>simplified characters
pffff

>共享 - share
>共産主義 - communism
In case it isn't clear, the key part is the first character, which gives both words their meaning

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>>33322534
what a fucking pussy.

Here's some proof. Compare with the other image I posted.

Now show me how poor you are.

>>33322665
>共享
in case it isn't clear, you don't speak Chinese.
>享
means share
>共
means common

Take it 2 years of high school Chinese and shove it up your ass.

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>>33322610
>Most estimates for Chinese deaths during the great leap forward range between 20 and 60 million.
>20 to 60 millions
WOW DAWG, REAL FUCKING ACCURATE. A FUCKING 300% RANGE. SHIT NIGGA, YOU CAN LAUNCH SHIT INTO SPACE WITH THAT LEVEL OF PRECISION.

Here: >>33322345
> and killed more Chinese than the Japanese invasion

Still stand by that claim?

In case you can't read the image title, it says "you're fucking stupid"

>>33322703
>no open actions
Airsoft is a hell of a thing.

>>33322641
>Why are you people having an argument over the past?
why? because he's fudging numbers to make a "point". Because I can't stand pseudo intellectuals like him, and I can't stand intellectual dishonesty.

Dude's a bitch, and he deserves a fucking slap.

>>33322720
>Look ma, I can use google translate!
In the context of the chinese language, 共 absolutely does mean share, as well as 'common'. It can also mean 'together' as well

享 is to enjoy, as it happens - which is how you get 共享

You really want to go down this rabbit hole?

>>33322780
which gun do you want me to strip?

After that, remember to take a picture of your meager collection and poverty level wage report, and we'll all have a fucking laugh.

It's ok to be poor. It's not ok to be poor AND dumb.

>>33322798
Surprise me, and your Japanese grandparents.

>>33322788
>In the context of the chinese language
ok, you can shut the fuck now, whittie. I'm Chinese.

产 means capital in this context. You don't precede it with a fucking verb.

Like I said before, take your 2 years of high school Chinese and shove it up your ass.

>>33322817
promise to tell us all how poor you are afterwards?

>>33322768
>WOW DAWG, REAL FUCKING ACCURATE. A FUCKING 300% RANGE. SHIT NIGGA, YOU CAN LAUNCH SHIT INTO SPACE WITH THAT LEVEL OF PRECISION.
The numbers range greatly because they came from both pro- and anti-CPC sources

>Still stand by that claim?
>Ha! The Japanese killed a veritable maximum of about 25 million, while chairman mao only managed 20 million! What an amateur!
Assuming we use the most conservative of estimates, you may have something there.

Doesn't really help Mao's case on the killed millions of people front, though

>>33322839
>you may have something there.
I'l take that as a retraction.
Next time, employ a bit of rigor in your analysis.

Fucking cunt.

>>33322851
Nice of you to disprove the capitalist myth of chairman mao being responsible for the deaths of millions of Chinese, and in the absolute best of cases, slightly worse than the Japanese

Oh wait, you didn't. Whoopsie daysies

>>33322883
lol bitch, moving the goal post ain't gonna make you look less of a bitch. I hope you know that.

I'm really curious. What do you do for a living? I can't imagine it being anything requiring a non-trivial degree of intellectual honesty and hard technical skills.

It's ok. Even monkeys have a place in this world.

>>33322826
>t. royal nigerian airsofter

>>33322817
I see this faggot pussied out. As usual.

Oh, my grandparents killed a lot of nips back in the war. Maybe one of them was your granddaddy? Sorry not sorry.

Ciao bitches. Morning meeting tomorrow.

>>33322907
yep, confirmed for no gun poorfag.

Sorry about your lot in life.

Maybe you can shoot yourself and sell your corpse for fertilizer or something.

>>33322839
I don't even think the Chinese themselves knows how many were dead because no one kept track.

Think of the situation this way.

It was right after WW II and the civil war. The entire country was literally fucked raw. There were little industrial and agricultural capacity.

Mao wanted industrialization and he wanted it fast. Some of Leap projects worked while others suffered or failed.

Projects that focuses on building infrastructure like dams, land reclamations, factories worked well. Those kind of projects were managed from the top by actual competent people. But there were also country wide local projects started by fanatics at local level, they failed miserably for good reason.

China back then were broke, beyond broke. So large infrastructure projects siphoned already limited resources. Then 3 years of continuous natural disasters hit. Large cities and industrial centers had to be maintained. So food were prioritized for those areas. With no agriculture base to start with and little reserve, plus prioritizing feeding key areas first, the general population suffered and died. Many argued that if China back then had better economic management the natural disasters wouldn't be that deadly. But China had to work with what they have. Neither Soviet nor US wanted China to rebuild because that means another potential threat for both of them.

It is easy to push all the blame onto Mao and call him a bloody tyrant. But there are many factors. No event is simple. Mao didn't sit there rubbing his hands and calling for Order 66 like Palpatine.

>>33322914
>pussied out
>>33322922
>no gun poorfag

ABOUT THAT ACTION...
>samefag

>>33322901
The only one moving the goalposts was you, friend.

You still haven't addressed the original point that I was making, which was that Mao was responsible for the deaths of millions of people, from the disastrous reforms of the 1960s, forced collectivization, to the red guards debacle.

And you want to nitpick figures on the Japanese? Where Mao only manages less in the most conservative estimates

>>33320325
>At least the GLF has industrialized China's Northeast and built the infrastructural base, despite all the failures
Nope.
Japs did that.
Yep.
Those japs. Same ones.

>>33320325
Taiping wasn't Christian. It was a cult. The leader of Taiping claimed that he is God's second son. It was definitely not Christian. The cult leader read some Christian flier and took some inspiration. Combined whatever he read in the fliers with Chinese myths and calls himself second son of God and started a little dynasty for himself.

Taiping, Cult. Boxer, also cult.

Now you understand why when Falong Gong came along, the Chinese government stepped on it real fast.

>>33320415
Oh jesus fucking christ.

Ok... the Falun whatevers. Used to work for a printing company that printed their books.

The founder of the Falun Gong claims he is Buddha reincarnated. He says his birthday is the same day as Gautama Buddha. His book basically says if you do the meditations listed within you don't need medicine to heal your sickness and the founder himself transfers his energy into whoever practices it and helps them prolong life and all that. The guy claims in the books that he can walk through walls, heals people across huge distances, and all that miraculous bullshits.

When the Chinese government calls it a cult. They did not lie. But then again, even Scientology is recognized as a religion so... meh

>>33323253
>>33320415
>>33319494


Chinese person here, especially a Chinese person that was living in China during the Falun Gong suppression. Take what I say regarding Falun Gong with a grain of salt.

I went through Wikipedia about Falun Gong and LI Hongzhi, the founder of the "religion". What I read in there, the sources quotes, are nothing like what was in the news during that time in China.

Falun Gong was a big deal back in 1999. It basically came out of no where and came onto the news suddenly.

Let's start with what exactly is Falun Gong. Gong means exercise, and Falun, literal translation magical wheel, is referring to Buddha's lotus seat. Falun Gong started as a type of Qi Gong. Qi as in Ki, inner energy. Back in the 90s, Qi Gong was the rage in China. It is basically a kind of cardio, usually older people practice it in the morning as a type of none strenuous exercise. Falun Gong wasn't the only Qi Gong on the market. There were countless gurus teaching their own style of Qi Gong and claiming their style are more effective.

What weird about Falun Gong is that unlike other Qi Gong. It is organized. VERY organized. The entire thing is like an army. You have Lihong Zhi on top then his disciples under him in a hierarchy.

Wiki cited a western source on the life of Lihong Zhi I read the source on JSTOR and the content deviates from what was on TV. Some details are the same while others are omitted. The following are some details that were on the news but not in any of the sources on Wiki.
Chinese news back then claims Li was a high school drop out and after working in mundane jobs for a while started to con people on the street as sort of guru. He was performing tricks like shooting nail through glass without breaking the glass. He was arrested several time for conning people. The news claims he read some Buddhist pamphlet and started to pretend to be Buddha reborn. He was arrested once or twice for using that claim to con people. Then he published a 1/2

>>33323325
2/2

Then he published a book called Zhuan Falun, literal translation rotating magic wheel. In the book, he basically said he is Buddha and his Qi Gong, Falun Gong will heal people and cleanse their sins. It spread quickly, because like mentioned before Qi Gong was popular back then.

Falun Gong grew into an organization that including members of government, police, military, and people in other sensitive positions.

Chinese authority initially had good relations with the organization, because it was promoting healthy living and Falun Gong was working with the government.

But then, people believing in practicing Falun Gong start refusing medical treatment, not only to themselves but also to their children. Resulting many death due to lack of treatment. That's when Chinese government start the initial crack down. It wasn't a crack down then, but only a public announcement to warn people that Falun Gong is not what it claim to be. It's a cardio not something that cures cancer.

After the initial warnings. Falun Gong started to protest the government wanting the government to retract the statements. Obviously, Chinese government did not budge. Then Falun Gong started to get extreme. They hijacked CCTV channel, the so called communist run news channel. They literally hijacked the signal and broadcasted about 15 min of their propaganda. Some of Falun Gong's local groups also hijacked local radio and TV channels as well.

>>33323360
3rd part, longer than expected.

After the hijackings, there was a ten thousand men protest at the Chinese equivalent of White House, a place called Zhong Nai Hai in Beijing. They basically surrounded the place and sat there in protest for a day. Then left without living a single shred of garbage.

After seeing that report on TV, I remember my parents saying, "yeap Falun Gong's going to get shut down with all force now". Because it was an act that showed the organization ability and discipline of the Falun Gong members. It showed that they have the potential to be a political liability. Unlike other Qi Gong's, Falun Gong, through their protest and hijackings set it self apart as something else. It's after that the true crack down began.

Anyone in government position that had anything to do with Falun Gong was fired, as you can imagine, having government official that is in an organization that can command ten thousand like a disciplined army is fucking dangerous. All published materials, books, videos, and pamphlets were collected and banned. Falun Gong was labeled a cult and was to be shut down.

I think the TV said Falun Gong had some 6 million followers.

Lihong Zhi escaped to north america to seek asylum. My family emigrated also the States around the end of 1999 and when we landed. We started seeing north american TV telling people Falun Gong is a real religion and China is persecuting them for being a religion. Me and my family's reaction was, "wtf?"

>>33323325
>>33323360
>>33323398
final words

Judging by the tone of wiki articles and the sources (wiki did not quote a single chinese source). There's some propaganda shits going on.

Chinese government definitely shut Falun Gong down fearing it might grow out of control. But Falun Gong is also not innocent. Whatever it is. It's not a religion. This claim that Falun Gong's central message is truthfulness, compassion, and forbearance is definitely a thing that is born after the crack down.

Wiki also claims Falun Gong's different from other Qi Gong because they didn't charge fee. It is false, well more like technically correct. Sure they did not charge people to learn the cardio exercise, but they pushed people to buy their books. Lihong Zhi published 3 books back then and they were sold to the people wanting to learn Falun Gong. So, Falun Gong definitely charged people and Lihong Zhi made millions from selling the books. Other Qi Gongs charge people when they teach people the exercise, but Falun Gong earned money through book and other sells.

Falun Gong was definitely not a spiritual movement. The claim that Lihong Zhi is some sort of saint is basically helps sell the books. Because if Li is a god like figure, then his Qi Gong is the best Qi Gong.

>>33323442

Forgot to mention, most Qi Gongs did not spread through any formal classes. They were cardios people do in parks or public area together. So most people learned it through watching other people or taught by people already practicing them.

The Qi Gong gurus would have seminars and people pay to attend that.

Wiki's information on Falun Gong has a lot of lying by omission from my point of view, speaking as someone lived through the incident.

>>33323465

Ok, after reading more Wiki on Falun Gong, it seems Wiki's definitely making some shit up.

Wiki claims that during the crack down there is in fighting between then communist leadership on whether to resolve the issue peacefully. How the fuck do they know? Especially how the fuck can a source outside China nows what's going on in the top level meetings of the chinese government? That's like saying an outside source knows the inside details of chief of staff meeting of the US government. That's some bullshit source.

>>33322703
>that bedspread
>random parquet tiles
>EMPTY POTTED PLANT
lol real rich guy

>>33318409
Forget both, and let's go with Landsknechts and Doppelsöldners.

>when called out he provides no facts and simply uses ad hominem to cover his denial
Yeah, he's Asian alright, the ones on the internet always "argue" like that.

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>>33324411
cont.

>>33321536
>Muslims in China is known for their kosher cuisine
We're got a real scholar here.

>>33321588
>PRC is going to require that every motor vehicle in Xinjiang
That's not about religion, it's about resisting being part of the empire.

There's a grain of truth in what kosher-anon was saying. Mulisms in China now are basically known for being good people to buy meat from. Also having tasty bread dishes, most Muslim suburbs have some sort of Chinese version of a kebab/burger sold by muslim street vendors.

There's one province which is actually officially a muslim autonomous region, the ethnic group are the Hui but they're really Han who are muslim, they literally have no requirement for being Hui other than officially being muslim.

Muslims are pretty peaceful in China but then again, so are democratists and human rights lawyers. It just doesn't pay to stick your head up here.

>>33323535
>Ok, after reading more Wiki on Falun Gong, it seems Wiki's definitely making some shit up.
Wikipedia is just the people editing it and anyone can edit it.

You don't think a billion dollar cult can have some dedicated PR acolytes edit wikipedia all day?

>>33323442
>Chinese government definitely shut Falun Gong down fearing it might grow out of control. But Falun Gong is also not innocent.
This, it's really not a good idea to pick sides on this one, there are victims maybe but no innocents in that fight.

>Whatever it is. It's not a religion
Being a scam doesn't stop it from being a religion. The 'victims' of Falun Gong believe it religiously, that's about all that matters.

>>33322982
>Japs did it

You mean the KMT before them?

Japs took Manchuria just after the KMT completed their industrialization of that same area.

And the GLF has actually industrialized parts of China as deep down as Sichuan, not to mention all those tunneling projects through mountain ranges that were inaccessible for centuries before.

>>33318509
its still 4Chan, an still weeaboo land

>>33319916
>>33319645
>>33318535
>>33318652
Oh my god. China is the Warhammer universe.

>>33320482
>Guys with boatloads of goods and buckets of money settle in an impoverished fishing village.
No rape necessary.

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>>33324933
Only noticed now?

>>33323442
Thanks for the write up pok gai

>>33319154
Japan isn't anti-semitic at all, it's a /pol/ meme. Even during WW2 Imperial Japan was a refuge for Jews fleeing Germany.

Japanese mostly have a hard time differentiating being Jewish vs. your actual nationality. If you bring up Jews they usually say how impressive it is that a small group can attain so much power/wealth and Japanese should emulate it.

The only Asian countries with anti-semitism I've seen have been Malaysia, Bangladesh, and Indonesia, because of the Islam thing.

t. someone who lived in Japan for 9 years

>>33324933
China is already becoming a dystopian overly-polluted industrial shithole. Shanghai is basically a Hive World.

>>33325444
Gets confirm

>>33320216
Communism nearly destroyed China because Mao was a fucking dipshit of a leader. It's funny how China became as successful as it is now because Deng Xiaoping turned China into the path of capitalism.

"communism with Chinese characteristics" my ass. It's more like
"capitalism with Chinese characteristics"

>>33322547
>government wants to become the world's largest steel manufacturer
>supports backyard furnaces and buys from them
>the population falls for it now everyone and their grandmother are now working on their backyard furnace
>everyone stops farming
>the steel made in the furnaces are so shit it's worthless
>government wastes millions on buying shitty steel for muh communism morale
>famine hits
>already barely any food to begin with thanks to everyone abandoning agriculture
>tens of millions die from starvation

The government and the stupid citizens are both to blame.

>>33325709
No, read some books.

Deng could only succeed because Mao created the obedient party state makes implementing reforms even possible.

Many wanted to reform China before Mao and they all failed because China was no unified country with an obedient officialdom.

No emperor could tell Landowners to give up their land for factories - he had to buy it, but that would leave them with nothing, so they simply ignored. Under Mao, they were killed and collectivized, and the factories and roads and bridges and railways suddenly appeared.

Without Mao, who softened up the reactionary Chinese local bureaucracy by fukcing killing them to death, Deng would have been a powerless emperor drawing pies in the sky, while the country still lived as if it was Qing-Dynasty.

>>33325928
>No, read some books.

You do the same.

>Deng could only succeed because Mao created the obedient party state makes implementing reforms even possible.

You're a fool. Mao would purge anyone and send them to the country for slave labor if anyone didn't fully support his ideas and reforms. Everyone was afraid of being purged so everyone became a "yes man", no matter how terrible things were. Deng was purged multiple times because of his support for capitalist reforms. Imagine how great China would be now if Mao didn't throw a hissy fit, purged anyone with actual good economic reform proposals, and put illiterate men who were once farmers into powerful positions.

>Many wanted to reform China before Mao and they all failed because China was no unified country with an obedient officialdom.

At times like these people would look for a strong leader promising hope and prosperity for all without giving a second though. This isn't exclusive to China but all countries in the world.

>No emperor could tell Landowners to give up their land for factories - he had to buy it, but that would leave them with nothing, so they simply ignored. Under Mao, they were killed and collectivized, and the factories and roads and bridges and railways suddenly appeared.

Yet another reason why Mao was a shitty leader. He didn't truly care about his people at all. He ever cared about communism and power. He would have allowed nuclear war on his homeland, killing millions upon millions as long as communism rises. He was a delusional and a maniac.

>Without Mao, who softened up the reactionary Chinese local bureaucracy by fukcing killing them to death, Deng would have been a powerless emperor drawing pies in the sky, while the country still lived as if it was Qing-Dynasty.

How delusional are you? Once Deng got into power most of Mao's shitty reforms were reversed. Under Mao, tens of millions starved to death and thousands upon thousands became slaves. Deng brought real prosperity.

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>>33326102
>You do the same.

Frank Dikötter and Jung Chan arent "books". They are biased accounts specifically designed to be read like some blackbook and shit.

Better read Delury and Shell's Wealth and Power from 2013, which specifically analyses the effects of the Maoist bureaucracy in terms of enabling Deng's reforms, by blasting away all sorts of entrenched resistances. Especially compared to how the USSR/Russian Federation couldnt implement similiar reforms as China after the fall of communism, tells you that you how important the cultural revolution was.

But whatever, you are just some butthurt Taiwanese who searches for ways to legitimize the existence of his failing shitty island that is currently fighting itself over whether they consider themselves Japanese or only Japanese rape-babies.

Meanwhile, your navy and army falls apart.
Pic: ROCN SM-1 taped together because of cracks.

>>33326161
>Frank Dikötter and Jung Chan arent "books". They are biased accounts specifically designed to be read like some blackbook and shit.

I don't own such books. The Private Life of Chairman Mao, written by Mao's personal physician gives a true and accurate picture of how the government functioned in Mao's reign. Deng Xiaoping and the Transformation of China is also a really great book that describes much of China and how Deng turned the country into the power it is now.

>Better read Delury and Shell's Wealth and Power from 2013, which specifically analyses the effects of the Maoist bureaucracy in terms of enabling Deng's reforms, by blasting away all sorts of entrenched resistances. Especially compared to how the USSR/Russian Federation couldnt implement similiar reforms as China after the fall of communism, tells you that you how important the cultural revolution was.

This is actually one of the books I want to get after I finish reading the Deng Xiaoping book.

I understand that the cultural revolution was key to Deng's success, but I also believe if Deng had more power and wasn't under the constant threat of being purged before the revolution, he could have made China a bigger and better power than what it is now.

Taiwan is a richer and freer nation than what China will ever be. Stay mad.

>>33326344
>Taiwan is a richer and freer nation than what China will ever be. Stay mad.

Factually untrue.

I hope you dont fall for the "Mainlanders cant afford tea-eggs"-meme.

China's middle-class is already several times more well off than Taiwan.

>>33326359

>China
>middle-class

It's also so tiny that it may as well not exist.

>>33325432
>Japan
>not xenophobic (which includes being against the Jews)

Pick one (1)

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>>33326369
>China's working population — 770.4 million people — is the largest in the world. But the middle class that dominates its consumer market still only accounts for a tiny fraction of that number: less than 2 percent of workers earn enough to pay income tax, according to Goldman Sachs.

Your middle class is so small it's irrelevant. Maybe you should start kicking out the economical migrants, eh?

Enjoy dying from pollution-related cancers in your shitty cities.

>>33326369
Not so tiny, actually.

Chinese middle class definition isnt as Western middile class.
Chinese middle class are usually employed in state and party controled institutions (teachers, lecturers, low/mid-level officials, engineers etc.) or stronger private enterprises. And as such, they make not only about 400 million people, but they make the majority of the CCP's party member and supporter base.

I'd recommend the research paper:

The Puzzle of the Chinese Middle Class - Andrew J. Nathan, 2016

>>33326387
Chinese cities arent shitty.

Tainan, on the other hand... Man, that was some shitty city. I felt bad for the Wanwan when the Jap tourist people who traveled with me started to complain that the "Taiwanese are still chinese when it comes to hygiene and cleaniness" when they arrived at Tainan. For the other cities, they also werent impressed at all.

Taiwan: Trying so hard and getting only so far. In the end, it doesnt even matter.

Should have chosen Chinese.

>>33326424
>Chinese cities arent shitty.

Meanwhile people are afraid of getting on elevators and escalators aka your death traps and your cities are so polluted from hell to back you sell canned air and face masks. What a shitty way to live

>>33319176
>who got their position not because they were related to some sheep-fucking inbred noble family, but by passing imperial examinations.
except the only ones educated to pass the (retarded) examinations were from sheep inbred noble families

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>>33326448
You have similiar problems everywhere, just the Chinese are more outspoken because of their obsession with social media and spreading memes.

You should also stop meming.

>>33326473
You mean, some Hui-muslim boy from the backwater province of Yunnan was somehow related with some inbred noble when his cock was cut off and he became Zheng He, the great eunuch Admiral in service to the Ming Emperor?

>>33326477
>You should also stop meming.

Canned air and polluted cities are not a meme. It's a serious problem and China is having a hard time dealing with it. Quite sad really.

It's amazing the shitty government isn't doing much to stop the problem

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>>33326513
Canned air is the definition of meme, since it is an art-project turned viral. Seriously, stop reading Sankaku Complex for more than to fap to twitter-whores.

Also, China is rapidly cleaning up the pollution with renewable energy and electric cars.

China isnt even the most polluted country anymore - Democratic Mongolia and India are.

>>33326544

Second industrial revolution for the UK when?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/london-air-pollution-rates-worse-beijing-smog-china-vehicles-weather-a7545446.html

>>33326544
>taiwan not anywhere to be seen on that list

Yup, still loads better than China.

>>33326591
I look forward for the mass-adoption of electric cars and smart-grids. This is a growth industry that especially countries without an overly powerful and entrenched automotive industry will have easier time to pull off.

China and the US would probably both be quite successful. My country Germany not so much, since the auto industry is super powerful and butthurt about all policies that forces them to change for the better.

What we need here is a cultural revolution amongs the CEOs and political leadership.

>>33326628
>US

I mean UK.

The US is quite shitty in that regard.

>>33318818
Bout 75 pounds

>>33322166
>prc
>heavenly mandate

Hahahahahahahahahahaha topped the of fucking Keke. Only Taiwan has a right to that claim at this point; they're more traditionally and culturally Chinese than the mainland

>>33321287
>It's not a cultural of geographically specific occurrence.

Wow, someone on the internet actually understands for once.

>>33327596
>implying culture and traditions count

Only might counts.

Manchu and Mongols can have heavenly mandate. Han communist can too.

Taiwan doesnt deserve the mandate by the simple reason that they are all faggots who would make China weak.

Guys, can we please archive this thread?

It's over a day old.

>>33327696
>prc
>strong

Cao nI ma ligga bi, chee na ren

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>>33327747

>the only non-white country that can make this kid's dream come true
>not strong

>>33318409
>it's a "Chinese culture hipster" episode

>>33327596
You're a fucking retard.

>>33326628
"Clean" energy is not. Green politics is nothing more than a history of ostensible policies that do the opposite of what they claim. In other words, you dumb shits would rather pollute the world as long as you can meet your flavor-of-the month-target instead of actualy focusing on truw enviromental cleanup and it will always be so.

>Taiwan
>Clean

All those random washing machines, broken TVs and plastic bags with garbage that are dumbed everywhere in the countryside speak a different language.

>>33325432
>Japan isn't anti-semitic at all
>t. someone who lived in Japan for 9 years

how they found out after 9 years rabbi?

Taiwan number 1

>>33329421
Most Chinese if not all don't really care about Taiwan or if the little island wants to do its own thing.

What the Chinese hate is that foreign influence over the entire situation that have its source all the way back from the start of the cold war. The Chinese also hate foreign powers use Taiwan as a threat to influence China's foreign and domestic policies.

American's wouldn't want Russia to support Hawaiian independence movement, nor would Canada allow outsiders to support Quebec. Just look at how pissy Britain got over EU's influence over their domestic policy and EU countries are Britain's allies.

>>33321536
>Muslims lost every time
That blatantly isn't true. The Battle of Talas was a major Abbasid Caliphate victory over the Tang dynasty. It resulted in the Abbasids gaining control over the silk road.

>>33326544
>CIDF intelligence officer detected

>>33326386
There's a difference between xenophobia and anti-semitism. Japanese aren't even classically xenophobic, they're very friendly to foreigners who go there for work and tourism. They just don't want the whole country to lose its national identity.

The idea Japan is some redpilled anti-semitic paradise is ridiculous though. At first glance it's a traditional society but behind closed doors everyone is sexually degenerate and extremely liberal.

>>33324933
Check this shit out, motherfucker, you haven't seen SHIT
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consort_Qi

>>33330501
That's only because they managed to bribe the mercs within the Tang army to betray them mid battle. If it was a 100% loyal state army, the Tang would have probably won because they wouldn't have to worry about being stabbed in the back, literally.

>>33324933
You aint seen shit yet son.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Suiyang

Pre-Mongol china was hardcore as fuck

>>33321536
>religious freedom and human rights
>in the 16th - 18th century

Dude you are talking about a time when the 30 years war happened in Europe and the swedish drink was being used on peasants.

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>>33330791
And they're all secret Nazis, even if they don't know what that really entails.

>>33330980

Casualties and losses
9,600 soldier deaths
20,000-30,000 civilians were eaten 60,000 soldier deaths


>20,000-30,000 civilians were eaten

what in the fuck?

>>33331160
>not being so loyal to your Emperor that you sacrifice your vessel of flesh to defend his throne

>>33320225
why are sheep fucking and pedophilia the only two insults you have. do you have something you need to say, anon? did lamb chops touch you *down there?*

>>33331160
This may due to the attackers were non-Han, please keep in mind, there several other event like Wu Hu (5 Barbarians) invasion just prior Tang dynasty era which were brutal, thus is not just loyalty to the Emperor and kingdom, but nothing to convince them surrendering is a good option, so they fought to the last man.
To the Han, non-Han are always brutal, examples:
Jurchen Jin empire invade Song dynasty. Battle of JingKang, mass slavery.
Mongol that follow after. Battle of Xiangyang.
Manchu Qing empire brutal conquest of Ming. Battle of Jiangnan, massacre ensure.
More recent time, Japanese WW2, Nanking.

Although, I want to point out there are cases of Han massacred Han in greater number even exceeding the non-Han ones.

>>33331160
nigga, this is why you don't fucking fight a land war in Asia.

>>33324933
They are kind of like an empire that never stops falling.

>>33318409
Because they're Chinese and we couldn't give less of a fuck about their history.

Japan is basically a lost European nation. Chinks, on the other hand, are some we wuz tier-shitlords who can't even speak properly.

>>33334187
>shitlords who can't even speak properly
try pronouncing the Mandarin "r", it might change your perspective

>>33319174
Of the fuckton of dumb things the chinks have done, you complain about crosses?

>>33334187
Even for a stormfag you're pretty fucking dumb. Make sure u don't breed.

>>33320271
incorrect:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_East

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_East_in_China

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestorian_Stele

>>33325818
you forgot the part about how the backyard furnace weren't smelting ore. They were all just melting down any metal shit they could find so they took stuff people needed like farm tools and pots. So all the tools were gone and all they had was lumps of pig iron with no idea what to do with them.

>>33318535
>allegedly abused their authority during the investigation of a rebellion plot by Lan Yu, in which about 40,000 people were implicated and executed.
>that's as many as four times 10000 and that's abuse

>>33319486
Nope, there are tons of underground chuches because people want a place to worship that isn't a chicom propaganda institution.