explain to me without cowboy memes why these guns are good >cant

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>>33280006
Just turn it sideways to work the lever if you're prone.

But yes, lever guns are outdated and not tactically viable at all compared to semi-automatics or even bolt guns.

What is your point?

They're fun. That's about it. Everything else is debatable and negligible but they do give that nostalgic feeling and they're certainly fun to shoot.

>>33280021
Forgot to add that they will work and they will kill somebody.

I'd certainly want a lever-gun over a musket or even a double barrel rifle.

>>33280021
>Just turn it sideways to work the lever if you're prone.

lol this won't work on a marlin or a henry

>>33280026
>not wanting all three

I thought this was /k/

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>>33280029
Why not?

Unless you're planting the ejection port on the ground like a complete and utter autist instead of turning it the other way, sure.

>>33280033
>Taking a tactical hypothetical as a set desire for ownership

kys yourself.

But in actuality, I'll likely never own a musket simply because I'll likely never have my own land (or a supporting range) to shoot it on.

I'm gonna get armchair experts sperg out at me for saying this but I think spitzer bullets aren't realistically an issue with modern ammunition because primers are hard enough and the priming compound is stable enough that a bullet tip couldn't set off a primer under recoil. Besides, smokeless powder doesn't explode violently like black powder does when a cartridge goes off outside of a chamber so I seriously doubt it'd even damage a gun if it were to happen.

>>33280037
Where do you live that you'll never have your own land? Land's pretty cheap. You can pick up a couple acres of shitty land for the price of a used car, just put up a berm and get shootan.

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>>33280006
What about Spitzer bullets retard?

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>cant use spitzer bullets
oh really

>>33280047
I live in fear of my financial stability.

But for real tho, being a poor fag sucks, especially when you have two, really expensive hobbies.

>>33280006
>>cant reload while prone
i hope you have since learned that there are lever guns beside the henry. some even have loading gates!

so a person shouldn't use spitzer boolits in a tube magazine. big deal. please explain why you think a spitzer bullet is a requirement. show all your work and cite your sources.

also, they're just plain fun

>>33280062
No what he means by can't reload by prone is if you are lying prone you literally run out of space to activate the lever because the fucking ground is in the way

>>33280006
Ever shot one?
Kinda like that sound a shotgun makes, the lever action is so satisfying

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IVCwYPjFXc

>>33280037
Wait, wrong gun.

Just angle it so the round doesn't fall out, or put a hand over it, it's doesn't have to be turned a perfect 90 degrees.

>>33280067
so he's saying he's a manlet with t-rex arms

>>33280067
See >>33280037 and >>33280072

>>33280006
Magnum handgun cartridges in rifle or carbine package, a stock makes it easy to shoot (especially lighter ones like .357) and the long barrel gives a lot of extra velocity for some cartridges (again, .357, which is also pretty cheap as a rifle cartridge), and they can have quite alright magazine capacity (detachable box magazines cost more, and rimmed cartridges are more of an effort for them).
They're also available in particularly nice and powerful cartridges like .45-70 and .444

Now, it's true that .458 SOCOM can match the performance of .45-70, but an AR built for this caliber is not going to be cheap (nor will the ammo), and in some places they're not even legal (for hunting).
They're also lefty friendly.

Also there's not quite any good AR equal for .357 and .44. Handloading for cartriges like these will generally be cheaper to reload, even .45-70

So basically, they offer a niche for hunting (and recreation) at a lower cost than nicer and slicker alternatives.

I do however think it is odd that pump action Magnums aren't more of a thing, a polished steel pump-action rifle with gray laminate wood, chambered for .357, would be very nice. A 16" barrel, full-length tube, ejection port and loading gate on the right, and maybe a top rail for sights and scopes.

>>33280073
laws of physics retard

if the lever action is lying on the ground you cant move the lever

>>33280084
>>33280021
laws of physics retard

if the gun is sideways the lever doesn't open downwards.

>>33280091
the lever action doesnt work correctly while sideways

>>33280092
>>33280072
Ok now read this

>>33280067
Just fucking turn it and work it, shit's not hard. It's not like it's a rifle you bring to combat and you need to stay low to stay alive.

>>33280084
So fucking move it then you fucking sperg?

>>33280099
>>33280096
>j-just turn the gun sideways
action doesnt work upside down or sideways
>j-just get up so theres room

if you are a military sniper you cant just get up and fucking move or youll give away your position retardo

just admit it that lever actions are shit

>>33280006
What models are the first 2? Not big on leverguns other than Savage model 99

>>33280121
1st one is a marlin

>>33280108
>every gun must serve a tactical military purpose

/k/ - Glocks and AR-15s

>>33280108
Because if a sniper is going to use a fudd gun for sniping it will be some sort of bolt action like remington 700 in fuddy-auhht-six

Your theoretical hypothetical situations are dumb

>>33280006
Get a Browning BLR if you want more modern rounds.
Main thing with the old timey cowboy lever actions, was that say you really liked .44-40, then you bought yourself a pistol to take that and picked up a rifle that would run it as well- one type of ammo you could feed though two guns. Maybe not a huge deal in the modern world where fat cunts can waddle down to the mall and buy all the ammo they need, but at a time when supply might be weeks or months in between it was a serious consideration.

>>33280108
If you are a military snipe using a lever action then something has gone horribly wrong to begin with.
Thats like saying if you're a racecar driver you cant use a bicycle to win the race. You shouldnt be using a bike in the first place and something is fucked if you are.

And no I wont admit that they are shit cause they are good for their purpose, which is often hunting where semi autos are illegal.

I think op has choked himself on his own autism

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>>33280092
Mine does, not sure where your getting your info but its wrong.

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>>33280092
>>33280108
>action doesn't work slightly tilted

Do you need a retard graphic?

Have a retard graphic.

>>33280125
>>33280136
>>33280143
>>33280172
same fucking faggot

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>>33280179
admit you're just a fucking retard and quit the
>(You)
>o
>u
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>>33280108
>military sniper
>lever action rifle
So OP is an inbred mallninja.

The weapon is not designed for use by a sniper, this is why your point is dumb and why your parents didn't beat you enough.

Tactically outdated, but they're fun and sexy. I don't want to have a safe full of nothing but ARs.

Also, in some states it is the best option due to AWB.

>>33280172
>what is an ejector
>what is moving the rifle in any way to cycle
>inb4 buh muh tactical elite sniper ops

>>33280108
dis some good b8

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>>33280217
Doubt it.

No one's THAT good.

>>33280203
Since you can get self-loaders in all US AWB states I'll have to contest that a bit.
It is however much cheaper to buy and shoot a .45-70 Marlin than a .458 AR15 (some countries don't allow the latter for hunting).

>>33280084
again with the t-rex arms. im a grown man and my the length of my arm from my elbow to my wrist is far longer than the length of the lever.

and when shooting prone, im holding the gun with my elbows on the ground, not the gun, not sure a little twerp like yourself does it, though.

>>33280006
I think they're great for home defense. Hear me out
>They're relatively short, carbine sized, compared to most full sized rifles and especially bolt actions.
>They can fire pistol calibers, albeit magnum calibers, which are powerful enough to put a man down in one hit but you dont have to worry about overpenetration
>They are oftentimes much cheaper than a carbine AR and so is their ammo cheaper
>They are very easy to handle and use and you can point and aim quickly with them
>They have a decent capacity and can be reloaded quickly enough
>Theyre also badass

>>33280253
Honestly, given that Magnum bullets are pretty heavy compared to typical rifle bullets, they can actually overpenetrate walls pretty badly.

I would suggest some kind of lightweight frangible bullet, something that would dump it's energy in an interior wall much better.

>>33280264
Can you load .38 special in a .357 leveraction and have it cycle fine? If so you can use soft tip .38 easily and not have to worry about over penetrating.

>>33280270
Yes, Specials should cycle in Magnum rifles.

I would still say to examine the bullet weight though, you want it to be really light if you want to avoid interior wall penetration.

>>33280006
>What are magazine fed lever rifle.
>What are ejectors
>Literally has the capacity size of any bolt actions, or more for fixed magazine or tube fed lever actions
>Again, what are magazine fed lever actions with detachable magazines

>>33280270
Most of them will but it might vary from some manufacturers. You will probably get some fouling in the front end of the chamber making it need a bit of a scrub up before cycling .357 through it

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>>33280179
>>33280191
Oh yea totally same person

>>33280006
Aesthetic and because it's the physical embodiment of manifest destiny

>>33280332
dumb phoneposter

>>33280006
but can you operate a bolt action rifle with just one hand?

>>33280029

Yes it will

>>33280270

In my .357 Henry at least, a lot of .38 is too short to cycle correctly

>>33280053
That Russian one on top is pure sex man, can I get a quick rundown on all three?

>>33280108
>lever action thread
>if you are a military sniper
lol..

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Because not every gun needs to be your "shtf" rifle.
Sometimes people own things for fun.

>>33280081
Thanks for that informative post anon, now I want a pump action .357 carbine too.

Pistol caliber carbines are the tits and I'd actually recommend the Hi point carbines to any anons who like pistol caliber carbines as well. I got the .Hi point 4595 and it is fucking awesome, something about a shoulder fired gun that lobs giant slow blobs of lead gets my dick hard.

>>33280006
If you have wrists you can reload while prone. They look great. The ammo is cheap and small to store. The ammo still hits hard enough to kill most things. High ammo capacity.

>>33280006
Great brush gun for medium to large game, reliable action

>>33280006
Just put a screw on the trigger so you can shoot super fast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IVCwYPjFXc

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>>33280006
>>cant use spitzer bullets

Don't need them at the ranges you use a carbine typically. At sniper range, you need them, but snipers usually use bolt actions. And for that one wierdo that has to use a lever action sniper rifle, it'll be a single shot. I know, I know, you see the ones with stacked magazines, but you'll get better accuracy and reliability with a single shot. And one really nice thing about lever action is that it's the fastest sort of single shot to reload.

>>cant reload while prone

The hell? Why not?

>>small capacity unless using pistol ammo

Yeah but the whole point to a cowboy set is that you use the same ammo in both.

>>33280949
whys it have two triggers and that awkward stock

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>>33281308
Cause that's an old sniper rifle.

>>33280609
I think Uberti makes clones of the Colt Lightning rifle in .357. Probably pretty pricey but they do look really nice.

>>33280081
>Now, it's true that .458 SOCOM can match the performance of .45-70
What? 458socom does a 300gr at <2,000 while a 45-70 lever can do a 400 at 2000

>>33280042
You are more or less correct, it's been tested. Smacking the shit out of a lever gun with a hammer wasn't enough to set it off. The incident where a round did go off in the mag tube just blew the case because it couldn't build pressure no to mention that either due to rims or case taper the meplat and the primer don't line up.

More importantly lever guns don't get used at great enough range to see any real benefits from Spitzers anyway

>>33280067
No you dont, because if you have enough room to shoulder the rifle, you're holding it high enough to clear the ground. I have literally done this to prove that point

>>33280139
>Get a Browning BLR if you want more modern rounds.
This is the one time I'll recommend a Henry to someone as the Long Ranger is legitimately better than the BLR. Both generations of BLR

>>33280006
they're kinda fun to shoot but i'd take a bolt action or something like a k31 any day

>>33281997
>i'd take a bolt action or something like a k31 any day
The fuck you think a K31 is?

>>33280108
>if you are a military sniper you cant just get up and fucking move or youll give away your position retardo

You aren't a military sniper.

>>33280006
I was never into westerns or even exposed to them much and I think lever guns are sexy as hell.
>captcha: ROAD time
time to hit the road

>>33281308
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trigger_(firearms)#Double_set_trigger
One sets the trigger to a very light pull, one is the trigger.

>>33280055
either you spend enough on guns to have the ones you want and nowhere to shoot them, or you spend enough on land to have a place to shoot and no guns to use on it
real catch .22

Light, reliable, compact, great ergonomics, adequate defensive firepower sufficient to kill many prairienigs and bluecoats and every game animal in North America. Sufficient for IRL SHTF in most cases. So is a fucking bolt action if you know how to shoot. If you don't know how to shoot that's your choice to fail.

>>33280055
Your hobbies should make your money go further, not suck it up. Buying toys is fun but having your life in order will result in MORE toys and personal prosperity. Being a poorfag with a full gun safe and no ammo money and living on ramen is silly. Your guns won't fix your bad life choices.

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>>33280006
Two reasons:
357 Mag
44 Mag

Magnum pistol rounds out of these longer barrels will kill anything short of brown bear, moose, or elk. Iron sight lever actions are also more concealable and innocuous than a Black Assault Rifle (and full /gq/ kit). They are a more refined weapon from a more civilized age.

>>33280006
Only not good part about them is lever action.
And not because "I can't turn gun 90 degrees while prone", but because it's overcomplicated for what it is.

Pump-action version would be much better in almost every regard (no Mare's Leg).

Main appeal of leverguns are that they are cool piece of history, while at the same time retain decent amount of practicality.

>>33280108
Fucking mongoloid.

Can anyone who's handled both the Rossi and marlin rifles inform me of which is the superior rifle

>>33282177
what should I get? 357 or 44 mag.

down the road id like to get a matching revolver...maybe. but after I purchase a lever gun, I probably won't buy another gun for a couple years

>>33280067
The lever literally takes less space than a fucking 30 round magazine.

So I guess AR's are outdated for the same reason?

Lever guns fail compared to semi-autos for speed of fire and rate of reload. They fail to bolt actions by tight action and rate of reload. that's literally it.

>>33282177
>357 mag
>44 mag
>Magnum pistol rounds out of these longer barrels will kill anything short of brown bear, moose, or elk.

.22LR has taken everything up to African Elephant.

>Iron sight lever actions are also more concealable and innocuous than a Black Assault Rifle (and full /gq/ kit). They are a more refined weapon from a more civilized age.

A single shot .22 looks like a child's bb gun and it's design basically gives it a built in silencer, perfect for low key urban warfare.

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>>33282343
357 Mag. It's cheaper, very capable, and a more common caliber in single action six shooters like a Ruger Vaquero or Uberti Cattleman (or Colt SAA).

>>33282430
>it's design basically gives it a built in silencer, perfect for low key urban warfare


.....how

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>>33282430

>>33282509
It may be bait but I'm still correct.

>>33282434
well thanks. i thought 44 mag woulda been cool cuz muh STOPPAN POWAH but I don't hunt

>>33280530
>Implying "shtf rifle" isn't one area where a lever action would excel

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>>33282598
Nah. 44 Mag is ~1mm larger. Whatever additional stopping power it has over 357 Mag is marginalized by noise, flash, and expense.

Incidentally 45LC is old school authentic, but it drops like a rock and Colt SAA reproductions aren't meant to use hotter loads for that cartridge.

>>33282703
>Nah. 44 Mag is ~1mm larger. Whatever additional stopping power it has over 357 Mag is marginalized by noise, flash, and expense.
consider suicide

>>33280081
>Now, it's true that .458 SOCOM can match the performance of .45-70
Absolutely fucking not. Bring me a 520 grain +P+ .458 SOCOM that can drop an elephant and we'll talk.

>>33282771
i have, now what

>>33280069
I remember watching this all the time with my Grandpa as a kid. I miss him

>>33282598
If youre not hunting with it, theres no real reason not to go with .357

>>33280029
You only need a few inches to work the lever. Turn the gun 45 degrees and do it or raise the butt and tilt the muzzle down to gain space. Easy.

>>33280006
What do you want a gun for? They are higher capacity than many fudd style hunting rifles. They have a dependable action. They're fun. They're faster than bolt guns for follow-up shots.

If you're only looking at pistol caliber rounds, then they're OK for some game, but you can get lever guns in .45-70 which is an amazing hunting round, big enough to kill bear and moose, but slow enough to not destroy the shit out of a deer.

Modern guns have a few high pressure options if you need a hotter round. The 1895 can shoot the same round as your Mosin, the 7.62x54r

So they're a fine option.

>>33282898
but wouldnt a 44 levergat be better than a 357 levergat for home defense

>>33280108
>if you are a military sniper you cant just get up and fucking move or youll give away your position retardo
The distance the lever needs to travel is approximately equal to the distance taken up by a 30 round magazine in an AR or AK. You don't have to stand up to get enough room to cycle.

Also Russia in WWI used the lever action box fed 1895 Winchester as a sniper rifle.

Ignoring the trolls, I'm saddened by the fact that few no-guns have ever played with toy lever guns. Even those can dispel the "can't shoot prone" myth.

>>33281980
I own a browning 44 magnum lever action that was made in Japan.

Easily my favorite lever action I've ever shot in my life, and I've shot quite a few.

>>33280179
Bet not. However, you're still the same moron you've always been. Don't change, we love the fumbling grace with which you wipe the drool from your chin.

LGS near me has a Browing 92, it's the centennial version.

Are the Browining 92s any good and what the hell is the Centennial version?

>>33280900
THIS, a heavy slow round bullet will travel straighter through tall grass than a Spitzer.

>>33283276
I'm very fond of mine, but it was made in Japan. You might have to get more info on the manufacturing location and year of production.

>>33280423

>mah epeeen is dis biiiig giuse looke at meeeeeeeeeee


>8================D

>>33281846
>>33282823
"Cowboy Loads" of .45-70 might be closer, but I've always seen people compare it to .458, maybe it'd be closer to .454?

But yeah, that'd enforce it even more, what else can you get in an AR that's really fat and really fast while remaining self-loading?

There's like what, .50 Beowulf? Which supposedly is in the realms of a highbrass 12 Gauge slug im ballistics and footpounds (except it's also spin stabilized), but you'd better doublecheck that, I was wrong on .458

There's a few rifles in .500S&W but I hear that most commercial ammo really doesn't get much of a gain past 12" or so of barrel (which I imagine you could solve with handloading). Did anyone ever make a repeater in .357 Maximum? That thing was wild.

>>33283276
Centennial sounds like it'd be some commemorative.

Like, in 1976, all guns Ruger made had a little print on them celebrating America's 200th anniversary (Yay!), but there was otherwise nothing else different about them, just normal 70's Rugers. A collector *might* pay maybe $50 more for one, maybe $100 if it was a gun that already wasn't common.

Beretta made some commemorative 92FS pistols which had a little gold coloered emblem and text on it celebrating Operation Iraqi Freedom, if I'm not mistaken. They're otherwise the same.

Generally, "centennials" and other commemoratives will be mostly normal guns, some people buy them because they think they'll be worth something extra some day, but generally, that's a rare outcome, it'll be worth a normal price to pretty much everyone, and if it's particularly embellished or flashy, it can actually be difficult to sell, because most people want a normal gun.

So in short, it's pretty much the same thing, if you're unsure, ask the retailer or even shoot a mail to Browning. But a gun is a gun, if you intend to use it, it'll be fine.

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>>33280029
What kind of retard grass are you on anon.

>>33284828
>retard grass

I'm stealing this

>>33280270
I mostly shoot 38 out of my Big Boy 357 and it works great.

You can even fit the 11th round in the tube if you use specials. The best part is there's essentially no recoil when you use it!

>>33282669
this tbqh

>>33282211
The modern Henry action is simple as fuck dude. What are you on about?

>>33284894
Glad you like it

Brushguns are great for cryptid hunting, bro

>>33280494
Winchester 1895 rifles and carbines. Five shots in most (all?) calibers and was available in full size rifle cartridges. Not the smoothest lever action and I'm not sure they're produced any more

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>>33280042
>I seriously doubt it'd even damage a gun

>>33280006

They often have nice, fast actions and the triggers are pretty ok.

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>>33285313
Dont forget about the Browning BLR and the Henry Long Ranger

Pic related <$900

>>33286228
Holy fuck what happened? Squib?

>>33280067
That's not actually true though. The bottom of my levergun's buttstock goes below the lever when I'm reloading.

>>33286228
>>33286744

Looks like a hangfire

>shooting rapid fire
>have misfire
>does not wait requisite amount of time after hangfire
>reloads immediately
>rounds expends out of battery
>blows up breach and magazine.

Seen it happen before. More common problem with cowboy rounds than modern rounds.

>>33280006
>Iron sights.
>hollow points are devastating
>moderate recoil
>rapid fire.
>better capacity than most bolts

>>33286744
>>33287861
I guess it's also possible the locking lug could have failed, I kinda doubt that though

>>33280006
>greater range/accuracy than pistols
>faster action than bolts
>greater capacity than most bolts.

They look less criminal

>>33280006
> Muh erection

Anybody got the 22" Marlin 1895? It's been unobtanium for me so far, but I NEED 9 shots of .45-70 in the tube.

>>33286228
That's an M1 Garand. So the pic does not in any way contradict what he said.

>>33280006
They're of higher capacity than most bolt actions, have a faster action, are ambidextrous, and can be topped up on a live chamber. More modern designs that use rotary/box magazines can use spitzers. That said they're absolutely inferior to pump actions.

>tfw no military pump rifles ever
>tfw Germans shit themselves when Winchester Shotguns removed kraut
>tfw no face

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My first gun I purchased for myself was a 30-30 1894 Trapper. They are nice little carbines that are cheap and very fun. I think they are still useful for going around in the wood and I feel pretty safe with it. Hell, the 30-30 is one of the most hunted with cartridges ever. Quit being so prissy OP

>>33281980
Not a common brand here, I've been lugging around an old early 80's BLR in 308 for years now and its not a gun I can ever complain about. It wasn't expensive, the fit is mechanically excellent and the finish is fine for what it is.
Back when pigs where a problem on my property, it was an easy to carry gun in my 4wd as it was really compact and easy to hang out a window. Its not a gun I'd use for professional pest control, but for the occasional shooter that just wants a straight shooting, simple and inexpensive rifle that isn't a bolt action, can't recommend it enough.

>>33287951
Fag.

>>33286228
Didn't know the M1 had a tube magazine.

>Why is a 160+ year old design not the best there is?

Do you bitch about revolvers being 'outdated' too?

>>33282291
Marlin, but they're both pretty rough

>>33290611
Marlin is looking better recently, they replaced their worn out tooling a while back.

How many .38 Shorts could the longest .357 magazine tubes fit?

What if they were loaded with wadcutters?

>>33290868
I wouldn't buy anything pre 2016

>>33291918
Wadcutters don't work in lever actions.

>>33291976
That's what I heard, that they replaced their tooling rather recently, so look for the newest ones.

>>33292007
Aw, shame.

>>33280006
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8KfCKjbIUA&t

>>33280006
>cant reload while prone
So fucking what. Absolutely no one - not even die hard lever action fans - are going to argue they're ideal battlefield weapons in fucking 2017. Doesn't mean they aren't perfectly capable as self defense weapons in a civilian context. And I personally like the tube mag/loading gate setup, I wish there were more carbines out there with it.

>>33292041
God Inrange is retarded.

>>33285313
>Not the smoothest lever action
I beg to differ.

>>33280006
Because they look cool and make me feel like Clint Eastwood.
Fuck you.

>>33292041
A lever action with no foregrip always looked like a unfinished gun to me

>>33280609

https://www.hightowerarmory.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=1829

Oh yes.

>>33293558
True, though until the invention of the loading gate (150 years ago, get your shit together, Henry), you couldn't have one because you had to deal with that follower travelling down the length of the tube with each cycle.

I'm really glad that the loading gate became standard for tubefed repeaters, and I'm really glad that the Browning idea of the double lockup became standard as well.

A 336BBL with a receiver rail and a mid-range optic is (at least conceptually) an incredibly practical general utility rifle.

>>33293007
I think he was talking about why it wasn't adopted for military service outside the Lebel tube mag the French kind of regretted jumping on so fast and the winchester 1895 Russians mostly adopted out of desperation.

>>33280253
only 2 of those points are true though

>>33282903
Nah, for the same reason a 12g slug isn't better than a 7.62x39mm HP for HD. You're trading a marginally bigger hole for extra recoil and almost guaranteed over penetration.

>>33290295
>>33290494
Yea, because your average tube mag is made of 8 foot thick pure unobtainium and can easily withstand pressures that would turn 2 or 3 garands into frag grenades

>>33282291
Rossi is absolute shit M8.

>>33280108
>glocks are bad because you can't snipe with them

I don't have a lever gun.

i have semi autos, pistols, pump action shotguns, bolt actions. a revolver.

what is a quality lever rifle that isn't terribly expensive to shoot modern ammo from?

no .22lr

>>33294684
Glocks are bad for an entire list of other reasons

>>33286228
isnt this an m1 garand that loaded non-m1 safe ammo

>>33294716
Henry

>>33294528
It's more that a magazine tube isn't tight. The cartridges, if they fire, would much more likely rupture along the side or at the mouth of the case (because no chamber).

It wouldn't be GOOD, but it probably wouldn't be so catastrophic as to kB the entire gun like a grenade, it would be like shooting a .44 Magnum in a .45 Colt chamber, it's not enclosed so the case ruptures (and sticks) while the bullet comes out pretty much not stabilized and at low speed, a significant portion of gas blowing past the bullet.

>>33294716
Brand new Marlin in .357 Magnum

>>33280006
They're good because they're fun.

Next question?

>>33282177
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>>33280006
they're for innawoods. you don't need 30 rounds to kill a bear. plus they're fun as shit.

>>33295687
i r o n s i g h t s
b r u s h g u n
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>>33294716
My 1953 Marlin 336 in .30-30 is by far my favorite rifle. If you can pick up an old Marlin in any caliber, just do it. I got mine for $300.