Do laser activated claymores exist in real life or are they just

>>33259582

any mine that can be set off by an errant leaf is not a good mine.

>>33259582
You hide the fucking explosive with shrub and twigs so it wont get detected until its too late. You detonate it either by hand or tripwire (which are outlawed by cuck treaties that most countries that play war didnt sign)

>>33259582
Army is bound by treaties to not use autonomous mines.
Now, whether they actually use it...

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>tfw no game has Somalian televisions in them

>>33259598

They don't.

>Set up defensive perimeters around a dozen different fobs over five years.

Generally speaking we try to avoid blowing up kids and livestock. Waste of money.

>>33259582
It's a video game meme.

It exists because people conflated trip mines with trip lasers (because it's more "advanced" then a physical wire) so the origin of the laser claymore, and the constant presence of them in games, is 100% logical - especially when you factor in overall game design

>be infinity Ward
>Add claymore to game
>oh fuck programming the trip wires is hard
>code an Autodeploy of wires in front of the mine
>Playtesters can never see the wires
>claymores have no real counter
>remove wires and replace with fluorescent red lines for the sake of quick fix to get the game in shape for release
>Everyone now thinks claymores are laser mines

>>33259604
>kids and livestock
Basically this. Cambodia and Laos are depressing as fuck for that reason.

>be poorest group of people in an already third world country
>be kid, can't afford food
>get great idea, find mine, try to disarm mine, sell metal for scrap!
>well... terrible idea, but it's literally your only choice on life
[FOOTLOOSE!] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltrMfT4Qz5Y

>>33259658
Dude, laser claymores have been a thing since at least metal gear solid in the 1990's.

>>33259680
It was also done by Duke Nukem and Half-Life

>>33260199

half life's mines were more like laser-triggered N-gages

Has there ever been a videogame where tripwire claymores were accurately depicted? I can think of countless games with laser tripmines and a few (like Raven shield) that show it with clackers, but none off the top of my head that use a physical wire.

>>33260211
Yeah but they were vaguely claymore shaped, even had the FRONT TOWARDS ENEMY text on it's model somewhere I think.

>>33259582

The point of adding lasers to claymores is so that when you walk through the lasers, the lasers cut your legs off and then your stumpy corpse falls on the tripwire that activates the claymore.

>>33259596
Plenty of country that are part of Ottawa treaty still maintain stockpiles of claymores because of loopholes

>>33260355
Vietcong singleplayer

>>33260211
>>33259680
>>33259604
>>33259631
it could be viable and for all we know there might be special purpose models designed just for that

but its not the kinda thing you want to use outdoors in an uncontrolled setting
>animals, kids

Its the kinda thing you put inside (like in video games) and you'd keep the beam IR so it couldnt normally be seen.

If you really dont want someone going down a hallway, if you know the only reason they'd be there is because they're an infiltrator then yeah you definitely want some shit like this. Because it makes a hell of an alarm system too and you know you're under attack (time to check all the Other entrances).

> James Bond and Alias shit, but it was played faithfully in Half Life.

And the advantage of this over a motion detector is you know exactly where to put the beam. If you did happen to have something like a big juicy rat crawl along it might set off a motion detector.

Also per strict instructions the beam can be avoided whereas a motion detector just hits a whole area.

>>33259631
>>33259680

It's actually gameplay and balancing mechanics.

The laser both helps the user set up the mine while the target has a chance of seeing the mine before stepping on it. The laser also explained why you weren't bothering with a tripwire.

Laser tripwires are actually a bad idea. They're too sensitive and can be seen if there's enough dust.

>>33259680
>>33260199
No one plays that shit anyways.

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>>33259602
>Somalian televisions

>>33262239
Well no shit, those games came out 20 years ago.

>>33262239
What were you born in 2001? That would make sense I guess. Was Modern Warfare 2 your first game?

>>33259602

I laughed harder than I should have.

>>33259582
Russian new antipersonnel mines Medallion and Ohota use seismic triggers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4Mwmlan9JE

They are development of POM-2, "bouncing betty" like mine.
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ccc_1375240453&comments=1
With seismic trigger instead of wires.

>>33262317
kek

>>33262317
Impossible, MW2 has 16+ pegi rating .

>>33260386
Finland specifically bought claymores to replace antipersonel mines that the shitty treaty outlawed. The detonator we use for them can be still easily made into a tripwire

>>33259602
Those are in resident evil 5

>>33259680
James bond night fire as well...

>>33262387
And finland is also reintroducing antipersonel mines that have some still topsecret detonation and detection way that is legal in the Ottawa treaty. They are supposed to be exported to other countries cucked by the treaty too for a fair price.

>>33260355
Battlefield 4 actually deployed wires when you placed one.

>>33259594
AN
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LEAF

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>>33259602
>Somalian televisions

Honestly in a lot of the older games it makes sense to use lasers, the graphics weren't good enough to show a wire, like in half life the wires would have just looked like thin poles sticking out, would have looked like shit.

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>>33259594
If you set off their mines you win.

>>33262399
>topsecret detonation and detection way that is legal in the Ottawa treaty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH0n6I0qMZA
>enemy detected
>kill: yes/no?

>>33262523
b-but how will you know it is enemy combatant and not a school class doing learning trip into a forest?

>>33262540
Who cares how? Just press goddamn button, monkey! Legal formalities fulfilled, treaty libcucks BTFO.

>>33262540
> Have the Russians Invaded?
> Yes/no?

>>33262552
>>33262540
>>33262523
>>33262399
>>33262387
>>33260386
>>33259596
excuse me for being dumb, but can a country unsign the treaty?

>>33262380
>Implying anybody gives a fuck about arbitrary ratings
But that's off-topic.

>>33262572
Not without penalty, no. You can't just sneak in with an eraser and undo it.

>>33262572
1. This Convention shall be of unlimited duration.

2. Each State Party shall, in exercising its national sovereignty, have the right to
withdraw from this Convention. It shall give notice of such withdrawal to all other
States Parties, to the Depositary and to the United Nations Security Council. Such
instrument of withdrawal shall include a full explanation of the reasons motivating
this withdrawal.

3. Such withdrawal shall only take effect six months after the receipt of the instrument
of withdrawal by the Depositary. If, however, on the expiry of that six- month period,
the withdrawing State Party is engaged in an armed conflict, the withdrawal shall not
take effect before the end of the armed conflict.

4. The withdrawal of a State Party from this Convention shall not in any way affect
the duty of States to continue fulfilling the obligations assumed under any relevant
rules of international law.

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>>33262332
They aren't new. Okhota has been in service since the 80s.

>>33262602
of course you can just ignore the treaty and probably face economic sanctions

>>33262602
This and trying to abolish it would give free punches to opposition.
>warhungry nazis in government want to hurt innocent children! Vote green party so we can put a stop to their madness!

>>33260355
In Sniper Elite you have to place the mine and string the trip wire manually.

>>33259596
In the Marines we never used tripwires on claymores, even the thought is scary, idiots used to set off the flash bang booby traps all the time while going to jerk off even after personal briefings as to where they were located. Only lasers we had back in 2004 were SMAW looking flashlights that were used to target shit for airstrikes.

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>>33262153
>while the target has a chance of seeing the mine before stepping on it.
Bah, in my day we just tossed proximity mines on or above doors and around corners. Real pros don't need no stinking warning.

>>33262120
Why the fuck would you put mines inside buildings? That's fucking stupid.

>>33263237
If you know the enemy is coming and you don't intend to be inside when they show up, why not?

Why are antiperson mines outlawed? Other things can cause harm to civilians too.
Anti tank mines for example

>>33264473
It costs very much to remove them after war. Much more than they cost and do damage. Treaty of reliable self destruct may be not a bad thing to have but liberals spoiled thing as always.
>weapons are evil
>ban weapons

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>>33262991
>Underarted post My friend

>>33264473
>Anti tank mines for example
Anti tank mines don't go off when a kid steps on them.

Just when his dad hits it with a sledge to get the free candy inside.

>>33259596
>which are outlawed by cuck treaties that most countries that play war didnt sign
you know anti personnel mines (which are the only ones banned) are fucking poison?
they're literally salt of the earth
not that effective in combat
super effective in removing children's legs

>>33266129
But do the children really need those legs?

>>33262626
well simply put, if you want to ignore it you just dont sign it, just like America, China, etc.

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>>33262332
>>33262623
The US did it first as well

>>33264473
anti tank mines are generally designed with countermeasures, since its kind of a waste to use AT-grade boom on a random GI. sure it will turn a person to paste, but thats overkill. Many have magnets or heavy weight triggers that a person cant set off.

an antipersonnel mine is generally designed to maim, since traumatic, mutilating injuries and evaccing wounded can eat up more resources than a straight death. They are placed often in places humans go, particularly along paths. Since they are small and cheap they may get placed in abundance, and their nature makes them a common subcomponent of traps. 100% complete removal is hard, expensive, and can even be virtually impossible if the field is lost (imagine setting up mines in a desert, then theres a sandstorm and all the dunes changed; where did the mines all go?).

people always say "faggy treaties" but there a lot of good reasons to not fuck with antipersonnel mines.

>>33262572
Finland tried to some time ago

>>33260355
project reality. they're deadly but situational. commanded detonated, and lethal out to 25m, wounding to about 35. if you place them in the right direction, you can lock an area down, but all the enemy has to do is go around them to counter them.

personally in the game I prefer insurgent IEDs. the danger of harming teammates is less important than having a 360 degree kill radius. but claymores certainly can kill from farther away.

weapons with proximity fuses have been around for a long time. basically mines with radio waves......

>>33262991
>have the spawn location order memorized
>proxy mine the spawns
>kill your buddy
>respawn into a proxy mine
>you
>you're running around, re-mining the spawn locations
>no more mines in inventory, just stand near the spawn location so that it gets skipped, buddy spawns onto the next mined location
>20 kill streak

I played the fuck out of that game, holy shit.


...

Anti personnel mines are banned, but trip flares with an LMG ready to go can *basically* do the same thing, and as a massive bonus the tripflare *probably* isn't going to kill someone even if you're a retard and forgot it.

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>>33259602

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>>33259602
>Somalian televisions

Top kek

>>33259602
got me good

>>33259582
just tie a peice of 550 paracord aroun it and you got one bitchin sweet hadji hamburger maker for MOUT

>>33259602
Arma 3 does, not sure about the others

>>33266129
> salt of the earth
You are not using that correctly
I'd google the phrase before using it in conversation again

>>33266129
Salting the earth is a bad thing.
"Salt of the earth" is a good thing.

>>33259674
BLOW OFF YOUR ONLY SHOES

>>33262380
I used to be a young scout leader. Little 8-11 year old shits talking about mw3 on camps.

Hell my 7 year old cousin came over so I put him on my GameCube to play double dash and he asked if I had COD.
>sorry
>only insurgency

>>33268824
hWait what? Insurgency is on gamecube??

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>>33259602
Do those TVs come with cable?

>>33268825
No I just meant it was my main shooting game. Medal of Honor frontline on GameCube was a blast though

>>33268970
Tried Day of Infamy yet?

>>33269095
Played the mod. Standalone has had some people saying it's pretty buggy and not terribly populated.

I have played insurgency since the source mod came out. I love it

>>33269113
Day of Infamy is already a better game than Insurgency though. Still few people playing, but getting more lately.

>>33259598
>Army is bound by treaties to not use autonomous mines.

We never actually signed the treaty, and the USAF has bombs which disperse mines over a wide area although they have a timer to automatically go off if not triggered after a few days.

>>33262499
Checked
and stolen...
Include me in the screencap

>>33262572
It's a UN treaty, the thing is not worth the paper it is printed on. It's just virtue signaling at the international level. Almost everyone who has signed the treaty still uses anti-tank mines which can be easily modified to be used against personnel.

>>33264367
> Enemy walks in right before you leave
> The building you are in now has 500 pieces of steel shot propelled by a couple pounds of C4 flying around

>>33260386
Claymores are perfectly legal to use as long as they're command detonated.

Not that soldiers probably aren't jury-rigging tripwire systems.

>>33266112
Anti-tank mines will go off when a bus full of schoolkids goes over it.

>tfw you realize there may be mines everywhere

Were they common in ww2?

>>33259674
"Third world" is a pretty broad standard. You can have country like Zimbabwe and Liberia on one end of the spectrum and fucking Switzerland on the other end

>>33269366
>Switzerland
>Third world

Lol.

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>>33259602
>Somalian televisions
we called them Jugo (Jugoslavian) TVs
the small one contains 3 pounds, the big one 19 pounds of explosive

>>33269366
Kek if you really want to go strictly on that definition, Liberia is actually a first world country because they are aligned to America

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>>33269388
Learn what the term means.

>>33269388
Switzerland is a thirdl world country
First world: Nato and allied countries
Second world: USSR and allied countries
Third world: the rest
since most of the third world are African or South American shitholes it became a synonyme for underdeveloped country

>>33269388
>thinking "third world" refers to economic position
learn you a book

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>>33260355
Men of valor had clacker detonated claymores but noone other then me ever played that game

>>33266129
Lol, cuck. First of all, only cuck countries ban AP mine, real countries like the US don't sign cuck treaties like that.
Secondly, how else are we supposed to keep North Koreans in their shithole?

>>33269366
Don't be a pedantic retard, you know what we mean by third world.

>>33269436
>>33269437
>>33269442
U r dumb
>Over the past few decades since the fall of the Soviet Union and the end of the Cold War, the termThird Worldhas been used interchangeably with theleast developed countries, theGlobal South, anddeveloping countries.

>>33269503
Let's call spade a spade.

>american education

>>33269519

Don't lump me with that guy. I went to a proper public school and not some nigger institution

>>33266129
and every country that knew its shit had very accurate maps and backup maps of every minefield, the amount of mines there and general positions.

Not everynoe behaves like russia and shoots rockets full of PFM-1 to schoolyard

>>33269487
>no one other than me
too fucking real, man. too fucking real.

>>33262239
undareageb&

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>lol
>cuck
>north korea

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>>33259602
>Somalian televisions

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>>33260355
Battlefield Bad Company 2 had campaign missions where you had to avoid tripwires (also I just really miss bad company 2)

>>33266322

>need
SHALL
H
A
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Don't give me that shot about how it's only the right to bear arms, either.

>>33269691
>PFM-1
PFM-1 is the copy of BLU-43 US landmine BTW.

>>33266129
Mines aren't meant to kill all the enemies. They're just effective area denial and prone to slowing advancing troops for ambush.

>>33259582
Laser trip systems consist of a projecting laser and corresponding sensor. Breaking the beam isn't exactly what sets them off, just no input on the sensor.

This is a complex, fiddly system. It works in some fixed applications, but even most banks just use motion sensors.

It's daft on a claymore because you'd be blowing up precision expensive equipment and some dirt or a something could block the sensor and blow it up.

Not to mention you'd need to power it constantly. Unlike a one time charge from a clacker.

>>33268555
That SEAL looks like fucking George W Bush