Just watched Captain Philips. God f**king dammit. If they had

you with your nugget would be the first to be killed

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>>33249309
Why are you censoring your curse words?

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>>33249422

>dat reaction face

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>>33249309
Wow dude you're so hardcore and badass.

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>>33249426
Reaction images are one of the few good things to come out of any Telltale games past the first season of the Walking Dead

>>33249309
>Implying you wouldn't have holed up with the rest of the crew instead of getting people killed
>Implying Philips wasn't a complete jackass who knew he shouldn't have taken that route

>>33249427
>that form
>doing military press outside of a rack
>no clips

snap city when?

>>33249309
imthegermannow.jpg

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>>33249309
play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
coulda taken the safe route, but he wanted to be a fuck and he paid for it.

also
>censoring your curse words

>>33249460
I think he's doing crossfit

>>33249452
>Implying they should have even let them get close enough to get their niggered ladder on the boat

Those fucking water cannons...

They should have had a mounted M60. No one is going to give a shit if you shred a few pirates and leave them for the birds

>>33249452
You think the Master decides which route to take?

>>33249601
>M60
>not oerlikon quad mounts every 100ft on deck and on all 4 corners of the ship, as well as one at the very bow
at least try, anon

>>33249309
>Anyone else ex special ops struggling to find work yet
Of course, everyone on /k/ is out of work ex special ops.

>>33249609
Nigger I'm being realistic. You throw a handful of .308s at boat niggers and one way or another they'll go away

>>33249437
>tfw I wish I had my computer plugged into my TV sometimes
>tfw I find a thousand reaction images every day by accident just by pausing the TV to do something else

>>33249309
The only you would have done is get down on all fours and offer your boipucci OP

>>33249309
>"maybe we should have a guy that's trained to deal with these situations onboard."
Transport ships can not have passengers. You need to be a sailor with ALL paperwork and additional training related to that. Civilian ships can't have weapons. In general, it's very complicated and expensive to have armed crew on every ship, it's cheaper to hire some for escort in most dangerous areas or swim under protection of US, British, Chinese and even Iranian ships in region who are deployed there and will provide assistance.

>>33249309
>>33249601
>>33249644

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhGrawWxHlY

>plinking
>at pirates
Every /k/ommando's wet dream
Think I'm going to get myself a boat...

>>33249677
Dont know about anywhere else but british merchant vessels can carry armed security.

There was a time when a lot of RM where leaving to get these kinds of jobs. They do have all the necesary training though.

>>33249437
Fuck you wolf among us and batman are great

>>33249831
The mercenary game isn't what it was 10 years ago. And apparently it's not all it's cracked up to be either. We had an anon explain some of it to us and it basically breaks down like this.

Most PMC contracts pay the same rate as regular military service, with the 'big money' being from the bonus you get for completing your contract. And in many cases the company will end your contract early itself, and deprive you of the bonus.

>be op
>be ex speshul forces
>cant figure out how to become armed security

>>33249309
>Me
>Pirates attacking boat
>Grab nugget
>Go on deck to engage
>5 aks and an rpg light me up and i die
>Crew surrenders

You would be better off holding up with the crew and defending them, not trying to hunt them down like Segal

Fireboard those terries!

so, /k/
we have been tasked with pirate removal with one caveat: we must not look like a pirate removal vessel, and just a feeder-class (up to 2k ton) cargo ship. this cover must hold for the pirates themselves, as well as local authorities. we have access to weapons 1995 and older, with a maximum weapon budget of 7.5mil, not counting the cost of the ship, which is paid for already. it must be able to interdict pirate vessels as well as prevent them from boarding, however, if boarded, the vessel must be able to defend itself from at least a dozen pirates.

so, /k/, how do you equip your pirate remover?
cost of crew weapons not included in cost of ship weapons. crew weapon cost can max out at 2.5mil.

>>33250574
>drax
>thay
>sclonsed

>>33249885
Still waiting for Wolf Among Us Season 2...

>>33250587
What kind of ship? Oil tanker or Container?

>>33250616
container ship, apologies for not specifying

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Actual merchant mariner here.

Calm down, Captain Badass. Crews aren't allowed to carry weaponry on board and shit. Well, they are, but it's very complicated. In theory, merchant vessels are allowed to have defensive armament, but in reality, nobody wants to let an armed ship into their port (with the notable exception of nuclear waste transport ships, which carry naval artillery and are escorted at all times by a DD, and Soviet merchant vessels also used to carry artillery and just hid them).

You CAN however, hire private security contractors, and many ships passing the Horn or the Gulf of Aden these days do so. However, there is still the problem of getting weapons through customs. In fact, it is much cheaper, easier, and quicker to ditch your gun in the ocean before you make landfall and get a new one from your supplier once you're in port, so this is what most of them do.

It is not practical or necessary to arm every ship that passes around the Horn. Captain Phillips was actually just a jackass who ignored warnings to stay further away from the coast. Most likely he was trying to make the voyage shorter to earn more shekels from his employers (captains often get an incentive for particularly speedy runs).

He tried defending his actions by bubbering b-b-but they'll get you no matter how far away you are even though this really isn't true. If he had stayed in the shipping lanes with other ships they would have been fine. He was a dumbass who almost got his crew killed. If it was up to me he'd have his license stripped.

>>33250616
>there's only two types of cargo ship
fucking landsmen

>>33250666
Or a bulk carrier happy?

This thread is baiting so hard it hurts.

>>33250692
No, that still doesn't even begin to cover all the types of cargo ship. And at 2,000 tons (not sure if deadweight or GRT), there's no way in hell it is going to be a containership, probably not a tanker unless it's a small refined product tanker in which case there's no fucking reason it would be going around the Horn. Even Somalis would sense something fishy

>>33250720
well, what would be a size and type that would work?
I just wanted a good scenario where we didn't have anons building a giant missile truck out of a fucking ULCV/VLCC

>>33249601
>No one is going to give a shit if you shred a few pirates and leave them for the birds

Relly? That's the primary reason why they do not have a barrett on ships like that and a guy to shoot in front of their bow once or twice... This would cost MAERSK literally just pennies. the uproar when the russians machinegunned ome pirates and executed them was hilarious too...

A ex army buddy of mine does maritime security on cargo ships. The whole captain Phillips incident made the need for anti piracy public knowledge and now shipping companies are actually doing it. He makes between 5-8 grand per trip, and a trip is usually around 2 weeks to a month. There is usually another guy working with him. They work alternating 12 hour shifts and have 308 rifles. I don't know much more beyond that.

>>33250649

I work for one of the three largest dredging companies worldwide. My experiences are quite different from yours.

Legislation for allowing guns on board actually differs based on the flag you sail your ship under. A lot of eurotrash nations don't allow any guns or maybe just one on board. In international waters, there are no real rules to speak of though.

The captain of any high sea vessel of ours will have a single handgun in his safe. Most ships will never have more than this. Such (almost) unarmed ships have a simple ruleset for handling pirates: Raise the alarm, try to evade and buy time. Retreat to the "citadel" before being boarded, which is the ships version of a panic room. This citadel is just a steel cage with sat phone, radio and essentials (food, water, air circulation, heating/cooling), which is welded shut after everyone is inside. Chances are that a friendly navy is able to board the ship before the pirates find the panic room and breach it. This means they are free to fire, as anyone running around the ship would be a bad guy.

The next step are ships with their own armory. You'll find basic small rifle safes all over the ship, usually containing a shotgun and a rifle each, with ammo ready to go. On such ship, specific people are trained to attempt to prevent boarding, and are trained in basic shipboard fighting tactics. This is rather rare from what I can tell and only a few ships in our fleet have permanent arsenals.

(to be continued)

>>33250786
Oh, and the companies furnish them rifles every trip. Because they can't legally bring arms into most ports, they throw them overboard right before they exit international waters. He told me there's probably thousands upon thousands of rifles sitting at the bottom of the ocean on trade routes. :'(

>>33250807
So what youre saying is salvage is a good business?

>>33250806
for what purpose would pirates board a dredging ship?
there really wouldn't be shit to loot, nor is there cargo that parties would be interested in protecting, so the only reason for the owner to pay the ransom is care for the crew (lol, no way) or the fact that the vessel is too expensive to lose, which i doubt if it's such a monolithic company.

>>33250806
>continued

The next step is private protection. PMCs board the ship while in transit through dangerous areas or while working in shitty regions.
An example of transit is going past the Horn of Africa. Quite often mercs board after Suez in the Red Sea, with their own weapons, and leave past Oman. Some PMCs actually have permanent armory ships, stationed at ingress & egress points (Red Sea, Oman, Kenya), allowing them to just sit around waiting for work & preventing them from having to travel much and having to dispose of weapons by dumping them. These guys tend to have pretty standard guns. AR15, G36, AKs, G3, FAL. Sometimes a sniper rifle on very large & stable ships.
For work ships in hostile areas (say Nigeria), you have either permanent security crew (on ship and land) and sometimes patrol boats buzzing around you. This tends to be where you see much dakka. AKs, PKMs, RPG-7s,... In countries like Nigeria you are far safer on the water than on land. Traveling on land includes a 3+ car security detail that literally pushes cars out of the way in a traffic jam to clear a path for you.

>>33250806
What dredging company do you work for? On US flagged vessels you will almost never find a member of the actual crew with any sort of firearm. You will especially never find any kind of an armory on board. Most countries will simply not let a bunch of foreign nationals packing that much heat into their port.

>>33249309
you can get jobs like that tho. It's called maritime security. 6 figure jobs usually.

>>33249309
>censoring software installed by mom
>"guy like me"
>special ops
>special

you have to be 18 to post here

>>33250807
Arms treaties are such utter horseshit. Wouldn't going into port and being close to a landmass be the only time you would actually need a fucking gun? Like what's the point of being armed in the middle of the ocean? The only thing that would have the capibility of attacking you would be a legitimate fucking navy.

>>33250863
Territorial waters don't begin until 12 miles offshore, m8. You need guns in the middle of the ocean because that is where pirates will attack you and shit. Once you're within 12 miles of Qatar or the US or whatever, nobody is going to fuck with you.

>>33250835
>for what purpose would pirates board a dredging ship?

Well, the movie in OP is partially based on the true story of one of our dredging ships. It wasn't even one of our big ones. So yeah, it's about ransom, both for the crew and the ship itself. There's insurance involved as well as very large, very rich companies. So there's a lot of potential money in it for pirates.

In short, it took months to get the entire crew released and it took over a year to get the ship back. By that time, the ship was so filled up with absolute fucking filth that it was worse than a fucking open sewer. So the ship was sold to someone that wished to bother to refurbish it, because literally everything was going to have to be ripped out, cleaned & rebuilt. Abject fucking horror for the crew that was forced to sail it back to the nearest harbor.

>>33250846
>What dredging company do you work for?

A Belgian one, that narrows it down to two. ;)
Our ships fly many flags though, so it's likely that they fall under many different legislations when it comes to firearms.

>On US flagged vessels you will almost never find a member of the actual crew with any sort of firearm.

The US are fucking dicks. Capitalism & free market, my ass. Without an american flagged ship and crew, you can't even get any dredging contracts there, so no, we have no business there. So I have no clue about regulations.

>Most countries will simply not let a bunch of foreign nationals packing that much heat into their port.

Well, as long as no guns get off board, most countries don't seem to give too much fucks.

>>33250909
>You need guns in the middle of the ocean because that is where pirates will attack you and shit.

Ocean? No, they are (fairly) close to land. Gulf of Aden, Horn of Africa, South East Asian islands,... Sailing to the middle of the ocean costs too much fuelwise and you have a lower chance of finding a target and bringing it home.

Holy shit, is the mall ninja back?

>>33250935
besides, I think if a country is contracting dredges to show up and work for them, I really don't think they're in much of a position to bitch about what that ship brings into their waters.

>>33250935
The real question how does a college student that likes boats and guns and doesnt want to join the navy do what you do

>>33249916

Then it's up to you to pursue legal actions for that contract being ended early.

>>33250730
>That's the primary reason why they do not have a barrett on ships like that and a guy to shoot in front of their bow once or twice... This would cost MAERSK literally just pennies. the uproar when the russians machinegunned ome pirates and executed them was hilarious too...

Except that MAERSK does have PMCs on their vessels when in transit, unless they get escorted by Navy vessels in the area. That said, MAERSK vessels are often so large they become hard to board in the first place. It's mostly medium sized vessels which are attacked.

The biggest issue about opening fire on approaching pirates is that they often will wildly fire RPGs if threatened. While your ship will surely survive it, an RPG on the water line will cause SERIOUS shit for everyone involved. If you first take a hit like that and have to retreat to the citadel before fixing the leak or sealing the compartments, you might actually sink your ship. With you welded inside it. So yeah, in general, unless you have trained PMCs on board, you retreat.

>>33250786
>A ex army buddy of mine does maritime security on cargo ships. The whole captain Phillips incident made the need for anti piracy public knowledge and now shipping companies are actually doing it. He makes between 5-8 grand per trip, and a trip is usually around 2 weeks to a month. There is usually another guy working with him. They work alternating 12 hour shifts and have 308 rifles. I don't know much more beyond that.

>>33250935
Going to disagree with you about the Jones Act. That's the only thing that keeps the US merchant fleet afloat. If ships operating in US waters weren't required to have a US crew, our fleet would be tiny as fuck and every ship would be staffed with Flips and Chinks like everything else. Flags of convenience are fucking cancer.

>>33250964
>The real question how does a college student that likes boats and guns and doesnt want to join the navy do what you do

I don't have anything to do with the guns or PMCs. Hell, I'm not even on the ships most of the time. I design systems for the vessels.
There are many ways to get onto a dredging ship, from being a sailor, electrician, surveyors to being an engineer. A lot of it is automation & robotics now. Hell, ROV operators,...
We have trailing suction hopper dredgers, cutters, cable layers, backhoe dredgers, split barges, subsea rock installation vessels, floating sheerlegs, wind turbine installation vessels,...

But we have no -boats-. We have ships. Be careful with the distinction if you ever want a job in this industry, it can be a touchy subject. ;)

>>33251028
>Going to disagree with you about the Jones Act. That's the only thing that keeps the US merchant fleet afloat. If ships operating in US waters weren't required to have a US crew, our fleet would be tiny as fuck and every ship would be staffed with Flips and Chinks like everything else.

You do realize that after Hurricane Katrina our company offered to come fix the levees and shit "at cost", no profit made, and were turned down forcing the US army corps of engineers having to fix the fucking mess with subpar equipment and ramshackle solutions, right?
So there's a cost to your Jones Act.

>>33250786
>A ex army buddy of mine does maritime security on cargo ships. The whole captain Phillips incident made the need for anti piracy public knowledge and now shipping companies are actually doing it. He makes between 5-8 grand per trip, and a trip is usually around 2 weeks to a month. There is usually another guy working with him. They work alternating 12 hour shifts and have 308 rifles. I don't know much more beyond that.

Whoops, bad copy/paste in >>33251004
Damn word limits.

Anyhow, it's even funnier when you realize that less than 30 years ago, anti-piracy measures often amounts to putting barbed wire around your ship to prevent easy boarding as well as blasting skiffs with high pressure water jets. :)

Those were better days.

>>33249309
>using a gun on a wooden skiff
>not mounting flame throwers to your upper decks
>not using bio weapons as a "humane" alternitive to the flame throwers
>whose gonna stop you? The Somalians?

>>33251071
If a result of the Jones Act means that we have to handle our own problems, I"m okay with that. I'd much rather have that than no job, and a bunch of retarded Flips trying to pilot around on the Great Lakes and getting into an accident every other week like they do.

>>33251004
>The biggest issue about opening fire on approaching pirates is that they often will wildly fire RPGs if threatened.

Ok, I'll bite. Provide me proofs on one incident of that and I'll shut up. Also, I said fiddy cal. why? to beep them beyond the range of their, usually much smaller, small arms. an RPG-7 has a range of 1000m. any competent cptn. should be able to spot them, outrun them or have the marksman start taking pot shots at them long before that.

>>33250587
Cover with Flak 30s, MG34s, and MG42s, equip all crew with MP40s, StGs, FG-42s, and Kar98s. Fly a Kriegsmarine flag and dress accordingly.

Except that theres this thing called the Trident Group, which are private contractors running security for ships. Cry more.

>>33251091
>If a result of the Jones Act means that we have to handle our own problems, I"m okay with that. I'd much rather have that than no job, and a bunch of retarded Flips trying to pilot around on the Great Lakes and getting into an accident every other week like they do.

Well, our crews tend to be 2/5ths Belgian/Dutch, 1/5th Kroat, 2/5th Filipino. (horrible generalization)
Works pretty well for us as far as I can tell.

>>33251178
>Fly a Kriegsmarine flag and dress accordingly.

Weird that you should mention that. I know there's at least one ship fully crewed by Flemish extreme right guys. The first time you're on board, they look and act normal, but when you return after they know you, they don't bother taking down the nazi memorabilia that's plastered all over the fucking ship's bridge. I mean Reichskriegsflagge & fucking Hitler potraits. That's pretty fucking hilarious.

I'm not sure how all these dudes got on the same ship, but somehow HR chose to put them together and this happened. Maybe simply because they don't work well with foreigners?

>>33251138
>Ok, I'll bite. Provide me proofs on one incident of that and I'll shut up.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=merchant+vessel+shot+at+by+RPG

>Also, I said fiddy cal.

I have literally never heard of a 50 cal being used on a commercial vessel. Obviously, it's certainly possible, but I know of no one ever doing that in my circles.

>an RPG-7 has a range of 1000m. any competent cptn. should be able to spot them, outrun them or have the marksman start taking pot shots at them long before that.

Outrun? How fast do you think these dredging and merchant vessels are?
Pirates tend to have base ships which are basically fishing ships that drag motorboats & skiffs. These then deploy high speed to their target.
How do you dodge all fishing vessels in a region? How do you outrun light speed boats with a slowass ship?

You can't start shooting people before you see guns, by the way. And they hide their guns until they are in close proximity. I mean, you can fire warning shots, but do that enough & you'll get serious complaints raised at you.

>>33249309

Security companies for ships exist.

If you want a job, go talk to one.

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>>33250649
Stop being a bitch and operate a real merchant vessel.

>>33249677
Merchant ships can absolutely carry passengers in small numbers there is literally a form for it. You don't need a semans book to ride a fucking boat

T. Coastguard

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>>33251224
>I have literally never heard of a 50 cal being used on a commercial vessel.

In most Eurotrash countries it's considered a solely military caliber and thus illegal.

C**l story br*.

>>33251433
I can't think of a single eurocunt that bans fiddy cal. Not even the Bongs do. Neither do the Swiss, Czech or Krauts. The Frogs maybe. Dunno about them.

>>33251868

Civilian ownership laws don't even apply the same way to protection/private security anyway.

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>>33249309
3/8 b8
Not sure how you got so many replies

gun laws in various countries are very complicated. we used to have regular threads about maritime security work. they usually have to toss their guns and ammo, before the ship gets into their waters of the nation they are going into. then they buy what ever arms and ammo are available in that nation on their way out. All of it has to be arranged well ahead of time too.

>>33251433
>>33251868

They're horribly expensive but available in france provided you have the right paperwork.

>>33250649
through customs? why wouldn't you just leave the rifle on the boat?

>>33249629
Emphasis on special.

>>33249309
If you can't type out a curse word without censoring yourself what makes you think you could take on captain Kush and his merry band of sea niggers?

>>33253603
A real hero can take out all the niggers in the world and snatch up all their waifus. A real gentleman can do it without potty language.

There are people who think the pirates are the enemies in the movie.

>>33249604
He kinda does.

t. Second Mate

>>33249677
>Transport ships can not have passengers

Horseshit.

If you aren't sure of yourself, why bother to type it up fag?

>>33252672

That's how you can tell he's lying about everything.

>>33249309

>censoring yourself


Also when he said "your guns not empty there's still a clip in it" I turned it off

>>33249309
>ex special forces
>having trouble finding a security job

There are like 11 positions open for this one contract for some mine in some shithole in Africa, OP you can't be serious

>>33249309
I actually work in the maritime industry. When going through areas with high risk of pirate attack ships will usually hire a group of contractors as a security team or move with a naval convoy. Go join a PMC if you have those "special ops" credentials.

http://www.marineinsight.com/marine-piracy-marine/a-new-laser-system-to-defend-ships-from-pirates/

>>33251224
>I have literally never heard of a 50 cal being used on a commercial vessel. Obviously, it's certainly possible, but I know of no one ever doing that in my circles.
Well maybe it's time to start.

>>33251224
If you sink the shitty boat, noone is going to be able to prove you did it

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>>33250596
We all are.

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>>33249309
>same

>>33250986
PMC's operate in a legally gray area. Even though most of the work amounts to being a glorified mall cop, the general perception is that they're all baby killing mercenaries working for blood money. To compound the problem, the companies themselves often operate behind numerous shell corporations, meaning that even if you can find a court willing to hear your plaint you still have to find a lawyer willing to wade through tons of financial dead ends on the off chance that he'll eventually be paid for his services. It's a bullshit game.

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>>33249710
>48:45
fucking nutn man

>>33251214

Hey seaman. Just want to say thanks for the actual info. For one thing I've been wondering about this stuff too, and for another it is great to have answers from someone who actually know what they are talking about.

>>33249604
When saved fuel consumption get reflected back to his bonus, it does. If I remember correctly, there was a gag order on the crew after the incident regarding this.

>>33249437
>not wanting to see ariels tits

What the shit is wrong with you

>>33249309
Did you be afraid to say the word fuck?


What the fuck?

>>33249437
>Reaction images are THE ONLY good things to come out of any Telltale game EVER
fix'd for you

Telltale is godawful non-games

>>33250587

Crew outfitted with M16A2/M203 combos and a few rail/deck mounted M-240s. Throw in a handful of RPGs or LAWs.