I am getting my first pistol soon and I am highly considering

>>33238257
USP STRONG
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-handgun-talk/160710-chat-hk-armorer-must-read.html

>>33238314
Holy shit, that is ridiculous

If I had to choose between the USP and HK45, I'd choose the HK45. It feels great, it's a soft-shooting gun, and I plan on getting one this summer even though I don't like the .45 ACP.

I have the P30L and VP9, so I figured why not they feel the same and are all great handguns. I've since sold the P226. Fuck Exeter.

>>33238361
Besides ergonomics, is thier any real difference between the two?

>>33238361
PICS OF THE P30L please! I love that thing.

>>33238361
What problems did you have with the P226?

>>33238314
>>33238342
>my dad works for hk
>don't ask hk or my dad though they'll say I'm lying

>>33238257
It's a gigantic, expensive gun and if you're not putting a can on it there's no point

>>33238450
I really don't mind the price if it is going to last me forever. I am open to suggestion on anything similarly durable. I also stated that I was looking into suppressors, but again, it isn't a necessity to me.

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>>33238436
lol no shit right?

completely unsubstantiated anecdotal hearsay is now the word of god.

That fucking post from that fucking form literally undermines the legitimacy of the entire HK community.

t. owner of 4 HKs

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>>33238315
The laser is mandatory

>>33238374
Internally, I couldn't tell you what the differences are between the USP .45 and HK45. The major selling point for me was how it felt in my hands. I do, however, believe there are significant differences in the operation of the pistols, though.

>>33238393
I'll post some when I get back from work today.

>>33238406
With the P226? None. I just enjoy shooting the HK more. I've had nothing but trouble with SIG USA rifles.

To anyone who owns a full sized handgun like the USP, is it that terrible of a CCW? I wouldn't be using it every day but just for travel which I would be wearing different clothing to suit it anyways. My living situation doesn't allow me to have a gun with me anyways so I am required to keep it somewhere else so EDC is completely out for me anyways.

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>>33238257
USP thread?

do it anon, the reason you want one is because they are awesome as fuck

>>33238595
>To anyone who owns a full sized handgun like the USP, is it that terrible of a CCW?

The Mk.23 is the same size as a Desert Eagle.

The standard USP is larger than any other service-sized handgun on the market today.

The USP "Compact" is slightly shorter than a Glock 19 as a result of having a sub 4'' barrel.

Considering that a key aspect of concealed carry is the concealment part, I can't really recommend any USP except the compact, and even that one is a marginal recommendation.

>My living situation doesn't allow me to have a gun with me anyways so I am required to keep it somewhere else so EDC is completely out for me anyways.

You're telling me that you can't even keep and conceal an LCP?

>>33238630
>and even that one is a marginal recommendation.
are you a retard? the usp compact is one of the best if not the best compact handgun on the market and is virtually identical in size to the other compacts such as glock 19 and cz p07

>>33238630
I live in Barracks. So yes, I can't have any weapon at my place of residence.

>>33238595
Just. go. to. a. gunshop. and. hold. them. in. your. hand.

>>33238672
I have, but that doesn't give me a real world example of carrying it around and concealing it, just a vague idea.

>>33238640
How long have you been CCing? Carrying around a Glock 19-sized gun + 2 mags is inconvenient for many people, especially those who live and work in hot places, as it requires you to dress around your gun. It is also overkill when you consider that the overwhelming majority of instances in which you have to shoot are resolved in less than 4 shots and that many altercations can be deescalated without having to shoot at all.

Stop thinking that the only thing that matters when picking a gun for CC is its performance in combat. That is entirely irrelevant if you do not have your gun on you when you need it is, which is what is likely to happen when picking a gun that's larger and heavier than it has to be and that is a pain to actually conceal.

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>>33238684
well, I work at a gun shop so I give this speech a lot. anyone can conceal a full size handgun if they wear a good holster and belt. also, you can't just put cargo shorts on and a t-shirt you shrank in the drying and declare that the gun doesn't conceal well. concealment means you are trying to hide it. key word trying. I just wear jeans and a button-down shirt wherever I go. I wore a glock17 for a long time, now that isn't as big as a full size USP but it is pretty big, the grip length is about the same. are there smaller full size guns with higher capacity that are easier to conceal? sure. but do what you want to do. I'm 5'10" 145lbs if that's any help. yes you can conceal a USP if that is what you want to do. don't listen to autistic retards like this guy >>33238630

>>33238671
Oh. Yeah, you have my condolences bro. It's absurd that you aren't allowed to carry as a soldier, especially after business at Fort Hood.

>>33238693
>top thinking that the only thing that matters when picking a gun for CC is its performance in combat.

stop projecting. the guy is asking about concealing a USP. shut the fuck up sperglord.

>>33238693
I'm sure there a much better weapons to conceal but I much rather get a gun that I am happy with in other aspect but I could also use for CC.
>>33238703
Do you recommend a certain method for larger handguns. Do you carry it on your hip or is chest carry more effective? Again, I am very new to handgun ownership in general let alot concealing one. For my M9 I use a thigh holster so really not a good reference.

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>>33238257
>seems unmatched

Lmao, it's from the 90s dude

>conceal carry

LMAO, you may want something smaller

>>33238257
>a 45 is where I want to go for more versatile use
elaborate.

>>33238780
for larger guns I recommend about a 4:00 position on your belt. outside the waistband holster with a cover garment (just a long sleeve button down will do.) people will tell you CCing a full size USP sucks and they are right. it is uncomfortable. you will probably sell it to buy a compact gun after a month. I carry the USP compact (see pic above) and it is much easier. but you can do it. are you a big guy?

>>33238812
>can't conceal a full size handgun

Manlet detected.

>>33238436
Ugg. This...

>>33238812
>guy comes to /k/ asking for advice and stating his potential uses for a handgun
>ridicule his thinking and post a picture of a similar handgun

really helpful

OP, you can't do everything with one gun. A USP tactical will not be good for CC. But, it is extremely reliable and will be good for home defense, or for carrying if you are in the woods and worried about being attacked by predators (although for aggressive bear breeds a 44 mag is probably better).

Since this is your first pistol, you should go full size because they're much easier to shoot. This should be a range gun and used for personal defense, before you start thinking about carrying, in my personal opinion.

45 is more expensive to shoot, so you might want to think about something like a VP9 for your first gun, or P30 if you just like hammer fired pistols for some reason.

Anyway, think about your intended uses. You can't do everything with one gun. The USP tactical is a fine gun, but really only for target shooting, home defense, and as a duty gun.

>>33238935
I'm 5'10" 170lbs pretty fit. So average size I guess.

>>33239017
go for it man. but I'm telling you, just get the USP compact. it is the same gun, but it won't hurt the fuck out of your hip and lower back. your shit is going to be VERY UNCOMFORTABLE ALL DAY.

>>33238614
> Underwood xtreme defender

nice.

>>33239043
gotta feed bae a good diet she purebred

>>33239005
Thank you for the useful input. Primarily I want to use the for the range, travel, hiking and general hobby gun that has alot of features I can mod and add too. Even if I use it for CC it will be sparingly as I have stated I am not aloud to even keep it at my domicile. So anything regarding CC is just good expectation management if nothing else.

>>33239088
got dat usp my dude. yaint gonna regret it.

warning: it will give you hard boners

>>33238812
https://youtu.be/mdTsFB1ejo8

so what HK to get for concealed carry then?

>>33239107
I bought a USP and my testosterone levels have naturally increased, this anon is telling truth (the gun is interfering with my HRT)

>>33239253
usp compact, p2000, p2000sk

>>33239280
yeah man and when I jizz i get a lot mote volume of jizz fluid that comes out

>>33239107
I fingerfucked a used USP compact the other day and the mag release felt way tougher to work than one on a modern Walther or a P30. Is this normal?

It also had the LEM trigger. Is that usually considered the way to go for USPs? It felt weird but I also liked how light the DA felt, and the idea made sense.

>>33239293
You're probably drinking more water due to the exertion of carrying a USP

>>33239281
p2000/sk over p30sk?

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My two most accurate guns are my USP Tactical .45 ACP, and my P226 MK25.

I would go for the P226 MK25. The extended mags hold 20 rounds, and a 9MM JHP +p has more than enough stopping power. I think the extra 7 rounds and substantially less recoil is worth slightly less stopping power...

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>>33238257
Do it.
There's no winning on the grounds of compromise when it comes to HK or no HK.

>>33238314
>my gun broke but here's an awesome story about how this gun will never break!

>>33239304
compare it by fingering another usp compact, I don't have any problems with them. a lot of people have bitch hands, also.. LEM isn't "considered the way to go" for USPs. the USP has 8 different trigger variants. most people choose from three-ish. Lite LEM is fucking awesome.

SA/DA With decocker and manual safety
or
SA only with safety
or
LEM

>>33239344
whichever you like, they are similar.

>>33238257
>thoughts

Do it. USP is best

>>33238924
Old man fudd at the range told him 45AARP hollow point can go through 3 dindus while suppressed

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>>33239523
fact: if you shoot somebody with a .45acp the area surrounding them will uninhabitable and radioactive for at least 40 years.

fact: if you shoot somebody with a .45acp their birth certificate will be erased

fact: if a .45acp cartridge is dropped nose down on the ground, with fire and bore all the way through the earth to china, immediately setting off world war 3 and winning it instantly

fact: if you shoot a deer with .45acp it will explode

>fuddy-fahv
Why not convert it to a proper caliber?

http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-handgun-talk/78326-usp-10mm-conversion-details-range-report.html

>>33239642
10mm posters go. reeeeeeeeee

>>33239503
There is no SAO USP trigger.

Get a glock for your first, it may not be fun but it is reliable.

>>33240033
>glock more reliable than usp

>>33240014
brain fart i meant DAO

>>33239662
When you make us *turns your chest into a giant guro vagina*

>>33238257
>Thoughts?

Since you did mention trails and hiking, this thread is a VERY good read on the USP .45 as a field gun

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?16503-HK-USP-45-field-pistol

>>33238315
Man I just realized I want this last week. Now everyone is talking about it and it makes me want it more.
>>33238257
Do. It.

>>33238468
I agree with >>33238450 it is very large and wouldn't be ideal for cc. Open carry is a different story however. It's meant to be a duty gun plain and simple.

>>33238314
I call bullshit
That story has zero evidence to back it up
Just hear say

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>>33238257

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>>33238614
USP compacts get my fucking crank so hard.

>>33239253

The VP9 SK version is coming soon if you want striker fired.

Otherwise i'd go USPC with LEM or P2000/SK or P30sk

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Slightly related note:

Anyone have experience CCing a P228?

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USP thread? USP thread!

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>>33239561

All true.

Why not get an fnx 45?

>>33243146
I don't want my Belgian EU Army pistol to melt in my hands when it detects I want to hunt globalists.

>>33238374
Hk45 is not a soldier's gun.

>>33243685
What does that mean?

>>33243685

UNRELIABLE??

>>33243735
>BLAMBLAMBLAMBLAMBLAMBLAM

>>33243813
That kid is my hero.

I have this urge to try that maneuver at the range but i'm afraid i'll fuck it up and shoot the ceiling/floor/my hand.

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I'm actually considering buying a usp 9mm tactical despite kind of hating HK.

I have a supressor in nfa jail and will probably have the better part of a year to pick a host and the usp 9 tactical seems to be the only options hitting all my criteria, except maybe on of the supressor ready sigs, but believe it or not the hk is cheaper.

That proprietary rail really pisses me the fuck off. I don't even use railz, it's existence alone infuriates me.

Or maybe I say " fuck it" to my caliber preference and get an fnx.

>pic related does not have supressor sights available
Fug

>>33244175
>Proprietary
The USP was made before picatinny became a thing. Personally, I like the look of the USP's rail. It's sleak and there are plenty of lights that will use the USP's rail without modification.

>>33244232
No good ones

>>33244262
A couple of the streamlights do. Those are good lights. Besides, most people don't even use a light

>>33244349
>Streamlight
Like I said, no good ones

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>>33244374
>t. XC1 Surefire RMA processor

>>33244175
>That proprietary rail really pisses me the fuck off.
To be fair it predates picatinnys being put on everything, it's also a lot less ugly if you don't plan on using them.

>>33244449
Just uboats
But try again

>>33244467
wat

>>33244476
x300u

>>33244520
Ok

>>33239017
I'm five pounds lighter and the USP compact sits comfortably at four and two while concealed. Beyond that, it's easily my favorite gun at the range and serves as my EDC. I highly recommend it, but make sure that it's what suits you. I love European style mag-releases, but they are definitely not for everyone.

>>33244450
Those are fair points.

Since I'm not a rail fag it probably doesn't matter anyway. Just grinds my gears in an Apple kind of way.
" oh you are interested in a light mount? Would you like one to fit H&K, or every other gun?"

However, it's pretty much the only 9mm non striker factory threaded tall sights supressor ready game in town. Save for the 226 tb, but that is at least as expensive and not any easier to find
>wtf I love hk now

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>>33240705
>>33244449
hhngh

>>33238693
I'm 5'8" 160 pounds and I carry a p-07 and wear normal fitting pants and normal fitting shirts. The only thing I do to "dress around the gun" is wear a stiff nylon belt, which can easily be replaced with a nicer belt like a tejas or something of the like.

>>33238780

>>33246144 here, I carry appendix. If that's not your thing I get it, but it really does make concealing larger handguns very easy.

5906 is the most durable full size 9mm ever made. fuck your plastic pieces of shit. go masturbate to mgs or something fuckin weebs

>>33246279
I have both fuk u

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>>33238315
Maybe someone here can answer this.

But it looks like that the LAM in the pic, and the one I posted, are some sort of prototype that never made it into production. Does anyone know the story behind this version of the LAM?

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USP in 9 vs USP in 45. Anons please help me decide. I know the 45 has a slightly bigger frame and apparently dampens the recoil very well. Anyone with both want to chime in?

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>>33247748

There's a million better pistols in 9mm than the usp, however the platform truly shines in .45. Get the 45, if you want a 9mm get something else like a CZ, Beretta, Sig or something.

t. USP and 9mm owner.

>>33240048

Variants 5, 6, and 7 are double action only.

>>33247748
the expert is pretty cool
one difference between usp expert in 9 and 45 is that 9 you can use bigger mags with that magwell. the 45 does not have a magwell or big mags (uses 10 or 12 rounders)

I bought a Rugged Obsidian last week and I think I want to have an HK ready for it when she comes home.

On one hand, I was already eyeing the P2000 before I bought the suppressor, but now that I think about it, I've also wanted a USP .45 since I was a teenager. I'm not a huge fan of the HK45/VP9 style, but I haven't really read much into either. I'm also considering just getting an FNX-45T, but I've already got an FNP in 9mm and the FNX-45T just doesn't carry the same character a late '90s/early 2000s HK gun does, so it's a distant third in consideration right now.

Which HK should I be looking into as a suppressor host? 9mm or .45 is fine, but I've got a bunch of 9mms and no .45s yet so I'm taking that into consideration.

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>>33247748

The 9mm USP is probably the most pleasant 9mm service type handgun around. That being said the USP 45 is also a fantastic gun. You really can't go wrong either way.

As for OP's original question and all the mouth breathing that followed... The full size USP isn't bad for carry. I carried my full size 9mm for a long time and the grip is actually shorter than many other full size handguns (which is the part that's hard to conceal). The slides are what is big on a USP. They hide well enough with a good holster, but I have switched to the USP Compact because it's a bit easier especially in the summer.

In the winter I've carried the Mark 23 on occasion. The grip actually isn't far off from a standard USP, the trigger guard and giant long slide give the impression it's a much bigger gun than it actually is. The extreme dimensions do come close to a Desert Eagle but it's far more slender all around and weights a whole lot less, about the same as a Government profile 1911.

>>33247992
How does the expert compare to the regular? Any difference?

>>33248051
longer barrel for more accuracy
if it's the tactical it has the same trigger as the expert
if it's the normal usp not as good a trigger

>>33247992
where is thine usp elite

>>33248051

It has a match trigger from the factory which is very good, the sight radius/slide is longer, the sights are larger and adjustable, and the jet funnel makes speed reloads a breeze. The barrel fit and trigger group also get some hand attention at the factory as far as I can tell. It's a slicked up long slide USP made to shoot fast, which the standard USP already does pretty well but this does even better. My only complaint is the factory Expert sights are black on black which is only really good for a well lit range. Need to get a fiber front sight at some point.

I liked the match trigger so much I installed them in my standard USP and USP Compact.

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>>33248074

I'm missing the Elite AND the Match. I got pic related instead.

>>33248107
feelsbadman

the only two i own are the usp expert and elite, both in 45, from the runs made this year (expert) and last year (elite). wasn't even into guns when the match was around.

>>33248107
There's a guy on AK Files selling a Match for $3600 right now.

http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=294153

>>33248128

There is a .45 Match for sale locally to me. He wants $4300. I just...I just can't do that.

>>33248155
>>33248152

Oh dang, same guy. I guess he dropped the price. Still, I can't swing that price. I have a decent collection but it's because I bought them when they cost less over all and waited for very good deals. Even my P7M13 was well under $2k.

>>33248165
you know he hasn't had much interest if his timestamp is from august last year heh

>>33239109
got 'em

>>33247202
Pure fiction created for Metal Gear Solid.

>>33238257
It's a shame that's an airsoft gun in the OP pic.

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>>33238257
>Thumbs down grip

That's more of a revolver technique...

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>>33238257
.45 super out of a USP is better than .357 out of most carry revolvers.

>https://ballisticsbytheinch.wordpress.com/tag/45-super/

>>33248705

I've shot Underwood .45 Super out of my Mark 23. I can actually feel the second buffer spring compress and bottom out with every shot. 185gr at 1300fps ain't no joke.

If someone made a .460 Rowland barrel for the Mark 23 I'd probably do it.

>>33248625
You ejected the first bullet by hand, didn't you? I see what you were trying to do, but testing a technique you've only heard about in the middle of battle wasn't very smart

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>>33248742
You could just get a MK23 replacement barrel reamed out.

I'm getting a nickel plated sear spring and heavy return spring for my '95 USP45, tossing an 18lb Wolf recoil spring in it for the 230gr or 255gr underwood super loads and molding a kydex appendix holster. Samoans and tigers and bears oh my, look out for this fucker.

Might get an adapter and an XC1 because I like the look. Really with tgere was a grip mounted momentary switch option.

Isn't the USP expensive as fuck? I'm only so-so familiar with pros and cons of different guns. Thinking of getting one soon.

>>33248785
They can be had for as much as a Glock, except youre getting a good gun.

>>33248785
I spent less on my used USP45 than my roommate did on his Gen4 G17

Magazines hurt you to buy though

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>>33238257
Anyone have some favorite or 'Must have' upgrades for the USP full size?

>>33248799
Night sights, match trigger, light

>>33248805
Suggestions for sights and light?

Is the match trigger required or can I just replace a couple of springs?

Is the USP good for match shooting? Or should I look for something with higher ammo capacity like a glock or something

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>>33248825
Nothing particular for sights, I use mepros right now but have use trijicons too. You can probably do wth replacing just springs but their kit is only 130 and comes with a hammer too.
>>33248987
That depends what kind of match you're shooting. The pistol is very capable.

>>33248825
>>33249001
For light you can get one of the TLR models, probably will need an adapter unless they have a special usp edition

>>33248092
How'd you do the match trigger in the compact? I thought the trigger itself was too big.

>>33249112
You can modify the match trigger to fit or use the one that came in your gun.

>>33239366
See I wouldn't go with the mk25 because it's not worth the extra cost of what should be a standard finish. Plus the mags are available separately

>>33239642
You mean like .45 super, cause it's way less bullshit to use that

So I just got a 98 USP45 for $560, how'd I do?

>>33250216
Okay. Could have got a brand new one for like $820. It all depends on the condition.

>>33250243
Pretty solid, just some finish wear no scratches, also came with 2 mags. Judging from the barrel hood it didn't see much action

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>>33238257
>occasionally want to conceal carry
>occasionally
>not always

always carry

always

>>33238672

That's not the same as having it on your belt, seeing how much it imprints you retard. I appendix carry, a Mk23 is not hard to conceal at all

>>33251228
>I appendix carry, a Mk23
I'm carrying a USP45 with a 20rnd mag right now and even I'm impressed