>Number one exporter of Titanium in the world >makes an

>>33233866

Cheaper and less difficult.

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>>33233866
They were exporting quite a lot of it apparently.

>>33233866

they had issues with welding

which is weird since they had no problems welding titanium for subs. I think it may have been due to the thickness of the titanium plates

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>>33233898
Fun fact: Almost all of the Titanium initially acquired through various shell companies by the CIA for the A-12 was complete garbage, and shattered from a slight drop.

>>33233926
>I think it may have been due to the thickness of the titanium plates

It's more than likely that the alloy the Soviets were using for their submarines was drastically different than one that would've been used for aircraft, considering the difference in stress the two vehicles would present.

Plus, the MiG-25 was first flown in 1964, while the first titanium-hulled submarine prototype was only completed in 1969.

>>33233943
That would explain steel then :)

>>33234039
I mean, that's not to say that the quality of titanium required didn't exist. The CIA did eventually get the high quality titanium they wanted, they just had to set more stringent quality control from their buyers.

>>33233866
So welding shitty titanium is extremely hard.
Any contamination and it's weaker than steel.
It requires a perfect purge and a good welder.

A monkey can weld stainless.

>>33234113
>So welding shitty titanium is extremely hard.
Not hard, downright impossible. If you even DRAW on that shit with the wrong kind of marker pen, it'll get eaten through like acid.

It's incredible how such a high strength material is so incredibly fragile.

>>33233943
>here comes stupid americanski pig again, I bet he wants more of our precious titanium
>Ivan! Be sure to give this man our "very best!" ;)
>xaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxa

>>33234140
We had that issue a while back.
Some dude was using black sharpie to write item numbers on parts

Dude scrapped like $2,000,000 worth of parts because the marker ate below the minimum thickness specs.

>>33233943
Common myth, but it was not the Titanium that was wrong.

The problem they had with assembly of the A-12 is that cut and weld lines were marked with a marker before cutting, which is good practice.

The problem is that the marker they used had chlorine with in it, and when exposed to high temperature (like in a weld), the chlorine reacts with Titanium to form Titanium Tetrachloride, which weakens the weld.

>>33236233
Today I learned something really cool. You're pretty alright anon.

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>>33236625

>>33236625
>advanced vacuum tube electronics
I am going to use that one more often to troll fatniks.

>>33233943

>CIA thought it was smart and Russia sold them shit titanium

Russia learned from Britain selling Germans their tungsten. Why sell people high grade rare materials when they could use it against you?

>>33233866

>make plane out of titanium
>cost 50x what stainless steel does for a minor weight decrease

No thanks. No need for titanium in a plane outside of maybe the engines.

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>>33236625
>Agile & nimble

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>>33238817
>>33238768
>>33238752
Post more

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>>33233866
>Sell titanium to the US of A
>They waste billions buying it, developing aircraft and producing barely three dozens
>Unarmed
>40% crash later
>Meanwhile in the USSR over a thousand armed interceptors go operational
You have been rused.

>>33233926
>they had issues with welding
They developed an entirely new welding technique for MiG-25, dummy.

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>>33239357
>Building over a thousand armed interceptors for shooting down a cancelled bomber

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>>33238817
>Le vacuum tubes meme
>Wtf is TsVM-10-155 Orbita-155?
Neger, bitte.

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>>33239431
>Being rused into wasting billions on a full-titanium unarmed aircraft with 40% crash rate

>>33236233
The metallurgy required to build that aircraft was mind blowing. Keep in mind, stainless steel had only been around for about 50 years.

>>33238855
>CIA thought it was smart and Russia sold them shit titanium

That might work during wartime conditions I guess, but if you don't need that airplane yesterday you just bring in a metallurgist and a chemist to rip out whatever is in there that you don't particularly fancy.

>>33239455
Why would a spy plane be armed? It carries a payload of cameras, which can be far more important than an equal mass of explosives. Especially when its capable of flying around over enemy airspace pretty much at its leisure, too high and fast for the enemy to reach it, despite that fancy engine-munching interceptor. Should have tried recruiting some ducks instead.

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>>33239573
>40% "crash" rate
>too high and fast for the enemy to reach it
Ri-i-ight :^)

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you can actually read about the issues with titanium here https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP90B00170R000100050008-1.pdf

it really had nothing to do with the soviets selling shitty titanium. it was more an issues of manufacturing and handling practices.

>>33239573
>too high and fast for the enemy to reach it, despite..

You do know that the Swedish Airforce intercepted the SR-71 multiple times with Drakens as it did passes through the Baltic.

Swedish radar sites would see it coming, and would have patrolling Drakens burn hard and climb to where it would be in a couple minutes.

Then the Draken pilots would get a target lock as the SR-71 blew by them, simulating a "kill".

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>>33233866
They were busy using all of their titanium to build the alfa

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>>33240136
It's like 3 submarines in one, lots of titanium, and Soviet shitty workplace morale and output.

>>33236625

I love how much people on the ED forums posted the MiG 25 meme until people realized just how horrible it actually is.


The maps in DCS are not meant for long range air to air engagement of an interceptor with a lackluster record. We learned thanks to the defecting MiG25 just how bad it actually is, to the point that when the 25 driver asked an intelligence officer "how do we beat the F14" his reply was "swarm attack"

Fucking swarm attack.

You need 30 to take out 5 F-14s.

It can't operate at Mach 3.2 without breaking its engines.

But that doesn't stop people on the ED forums from posting how much they want a Russian bird equivalent even though there isn't one.

>>33234140
Titanium is crazy all round. It fucking physically bonds to bone, which is why it's used in medical implants.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanium_biocompatibility

>>33240209
there is an analogue, it's called the mig31, but we'll never get it because
>sekrit dokuments

it's more accurate to say the mig25 didn't have a western equivalent

>>33240034
Ah yes, Swedish drakens armed with AIM-9s (which could only be fired from the rear aspect and were slower than the SR-71) and the notoriously unreliable Hughes falcon (which was also slower than the SR-71).

>>33236625
>controlled the skies over the Ussr with an iron, but fair, fist

>>33233926
Supposedly they had a pressurized warehouse filled with inert gas to do the welding. Something like that wouldn't scale up very well.

>>33240034
Viggens, not Drakens.
>>33240690
Viggens carried Skyflash missiles.

>>33234650
...that sounds like a fun way for someone to lose their job.

>>33241141
Skyflash only has a closing rate of mach 1 on an SR-71, and furthermore, only keeps that mach 4 speed for a very short period of time. The motor on an AIM-7E, which is similar to Skyflash, only burns for 3 seconds.

The Viggen would have to close to a very short range before the SR-71 is within kinematics range of the Skyflash. I'm thinking pretty solidly WVR range.

>>33242616
>SR-71 is doing high Mach during Viggen intercept

>ground control intercept putting the fighter ahead of the SR-71, and letting the SR-71 pass by as they target lock it for shits n giggles.

You are taking this way to seriously mate.

The USAF pilots weren't worried about the Swedes having fun.