Shotguns are probably some of the most common guns in the world,

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Some goodies

Reminder that 20 gauge is best gauge, enjoy dying because you couldn't let off multiple shots accurately 12 gauge fags

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>>33210649

>>33210840
Literally no reason to exist. Low-recoil 12ga ammo is more widely available and cheaper than 20ga shells. So 20 gauge is purely a subset.

Maybe if 20 gauge shotguns were hundreds of dollars cheaper, it would make sense to buy one.

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I still wish I'd never cut this down for the 6-way. It fit me out of the box and I had cheaper shotguns with less gorgeous wood it could've gone on.

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>>33210840
>trying to apply the 9mm vs 45acp meme fight towards 12/20 gauge

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>>33210649
>FABARM still doesn't import a fighting shotgun

I'd buy the shit out of one or two.

Should I buy a mossberg used or new

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>>33210908
OP here; don't ask. Bastard is fucking expensive. Lusting over this atm.

>>33210649
>Still one of the most powerful guns out there for its use

Im sure if you could only shoot a rifle accuaratly from close range it be considered super powerful too

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>>33210882
>tfw no 16ga
>tfw have a 24ga but have never found ammo I could afford

>>33210880
>low recoil 12 gauge loads
Enjoy your overly heavy hard to shoot shotgun that still kicks harder than a 20 gauge.

>>33210931
Used.

Brand new ones, as in mid-2016 and on, are starting to have QC problems the same as Remington.
I work for an FFL and the last batch of 500's we got had rusty barrels from the factory, and the 2 500 Tacticals we got the front sight was loose in its dovetail to the point one fell out.

>>33210994
A 7/8oz 12ga load actually kicks significantly less than a 7/8oz 20ga load of the same velocity because it's lower pressure and (generally) uses less powder to achieve the same velocity, due to the larger bore diameter.

And this is regardless of firearm weight, I've tested this with 7/8oz loads through my skeet set (lightweight carrier barrel with weight-matched subgauge tubes so it's the exact same shotgun weighing the exact same down to fractions of an ounce in 12, 20, 28, and .410).

>>33210840
Reminder, 16 guage is best gauge. Just uncommon.

>>33211030
Does the exact same thing as a heavy load 20ga (1oz of shot at anywhere from 1180fps to 1350fps) while requiring a larger frame. While being significantly less versatile since they never developed heavier or lighter loads for it (there's no 7/8, 3/4, 1 1/8oz loads or 3" versions).

It's obsolete for a reason.

>>33210997
not same anon, but any opinion on which is more versatile rifled or smooth barrel? Any general recommendations on models to jump on for versatility over others?

If my brothers ever organize themselves to distribute our late dad's guns, I call dibs on his Keltec KSG.
Also when is Calico going to finish their shotgun?

>>33211058
Smooth barrel is far and away the most versatile. Shot, all types of slugs (including sabot, with a rifled choke), buck, cut-shells, homemade bullshit, smoothbore does it all.

Single most versatile offering Mossberg has is the 535 Turkey and Waterfowl Combo. 22" and 28" smoothbore ventrib barrels, 5+1 of 3.5" shells, takes all 500 accessories, includes a bunch of choke tubes including turkey extra full. Kind of expensive though, same tier as the 590.

>>33210649

Just because you have a singular tool that does everything well enough that doesn't mean it's strictly the best at all specific tasks. A precision rifle can reach farther, an AR/AK can hold more rounds and effectively hold off a group, and a pistol you can carry with you on a regular day to day basis without drawing attention. Shut the fuck up with your absolutes, sith!

>>33211103
cool thanks for the advice

>>33211058
Rifled shot gun barrels will cause shot to "donut."
If you want versatility get a shot gun with changeable chokes. Get get a variety of chokes including a rifled one.

>>33210649
if you love shotguns so much why dont you marry one

What's a good shotgun that I can throw a underfolder style stock on

>>33211259
Saiga.

Literally nothing else takes an underfolder.

>>33211259
>>33211284
good answer

just be wary that saigas are a good way to get conned if you do your shit online

>Real EO tech on saiga!
>super tacticool custom muzzlebreak1111!!
>blah blah!
ups the price by hundreds and they conned you with a shitty NC star fake or something ive seen it happens a dozen times AT LEAST
i dont know why its saigas specifically i guess bc they are very customizable

also be wary that you will have to fuck with the gas system ALOT
and mags tend it deform shot gun shells and can result in malfunctions

not trying to shy you away from them just letting you know

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Appropriate place for this I think

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and to go with >>33213396

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>>33211103
Thank you so much man. Everything you need from a shotgun AND it loads 3.5" shells. Is the barrel (or are the barrels) chrome lined? And does that make much of a difference for a smooth bore shotgun? Thanks again bros.

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Debating on selling chopped maverick or not, only got like $115 into it. Any decent pistol grip stocks or folder than aren't shit and don't cost as much as the gun?

>>33213396
>>33213407
Are those hunting rounds to get around the rifle restriction in Russia? It'd be neat to see some tests of these.

>>33213642
precisely

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Should I? Its a local-ish pawn

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>>33210840
>you couldn't let off multiple shots accurately
I'll say the same thing to you that I say to people who insist pump gun users will short shuck in self-defense situations:
G
I
T

G
U
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>>33210931
Used shotguns don't really have the same problems as used rifles, particularly since you don't have to worry about worn rifling. As long as it functions it's g2g.

I've bought s 50-year-old and s 20-year-old Mossberg 500 used from pawnshops and both are fantastic, with the added bonus of having completely broken-in actions. Shit's like butter compared to my new-production Mav-88, and they were both sub-$150.

>>33215761
Wow wtf inferior weapons now, you don't need more than a single shot .22 just
G
I
T
G
U
D

>>33210840

My record is 3 fist sized targets at 5-10 yards varied, with lateral spacing of 3-5 yards.

In 1.2 seconds. Faster than most people could pull that off with a semi-auto handgun.

With a 12 gauge Remington 870.

kinda bored with my shotgun

all the fun ammo is too fucking expensive 2bh

>>33214051
i mean if you like wood furniture maybe

the maverick 88 is essentially the exact same gun except no tang safety, it has a crossbar safety which lends itself better to pistol grips. also the forend is more annoying to replace, but you can do it. and it's like $180 new, so measure that how you will

If shotguns are so great. Why did the double barrel musket not make it past the shotgun/musket split stage?

Clearly theres a design limitation here

>>33216179
Your only record was getting fisted 3 times in 12 seconds.

>>33216179
And you could have pulled that off even faster or at a longer distance with a 20 gauge, what's your point?

>>33216231

It did, though. Double-barreled muzzle-loading shotguns were in common enough usage by irregular troops in the Revolutionary War, War of 1812, And Civil War, and though not double-barreled, a number of rifles used in the Civil War were later converted to shotguns by the populace.

To claim that it's the best weapon in the world would be a long shot, but a shotgun is certainly a fine weapon. For the not-a-gun-enthusiast who isn't going to spend more than a day every few months practicing at the range, a shotgun is a fine choice. Most home defense situations aren't some movie-tier high-speed low-drag shootout, it's "bang, schlock, maybe a bang again"

Look at the number of successful home defense shootings pulled off with them by the less than well-trained. It's an attractive option for many, because a 12 or 20 gauge pump can be had for rarely much more than 200 OTD with no mags or complex cleaning knowledge needed. A box of shells is enough to get basically capable and a few rounds of buck shows you your adjustment rate and then you're in the ballpark.

But it is what it is.

Mossberg, H&R, Remington, etc sure aint going broke.

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>>33215818
> You can't get off multiple shots accurately with a 12ga so you should use 20ga instead
>Yes you can, people do it all the time you just need to practice
>by your logic we should all be using single shot .22s

>>33216328

Funny you should mention that, because my buddy, who is not far behind me as a shooter only managed 1.7 seconds with his 20 gauge. I've been shooting 12 gauge since I was 12, I've put thousands and thousands of rounds through them. Why I would switch to a lesser weapon is beyond me.

>>33216376
>a different person got a worse time therefore it's the guns fault
>a more accurate weapon is worse
>muh stoppin powah over accuracy
You sound like the average gun youtuber

>>33216488

12 gauge has

>better shot density at longer ranges
>better ammo availability and pricing
>wider range of commercially available ammo
>more power, which while negligible, matters at range

I never said it was the gun's fault, I'm saying that I'm good with a 12 gauge shotgun just like I'm good with anything.

I could probably get a better time on an El Presidente drill with an over-built .380 ACP than I get with my 9x19, but does it matter if my time is already better than most and I have a 9mm already?

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>>33216488
I'm not anti-20ga in the least but you seem like you're either emotionally invested or shitposting. 12ga puts out more pellets per shot at a higher velocity for a given load.
It's a question of volume-of-fire and frankly 20ga isn't THAT different in felt-recoil than 12ga and is sometimes worse due to lighter, smaller guns.

>>33216552
>>33216564
Thanks. I've found baiting people with shitposts is the most effective way by far of getting info on this board. Excuse the autism.

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>>33210649

>>33216185
This. Shotguns shells are stupid expensive.

A proper range day would bleed me dry.

I remember reading an account from a tunnel rat in Vietnam, about an old 4-gauge shotgun he managed to source. I'm paraphrasing but he said something like; 'it blew your ears out every time you fired the four-gauge, but if there was absolutely anything at all in front of you, you'd hit it'.

>>33213525
They are not chrome lined. Yes, it comes with 2 barrels.

Chrome lining doesn't make any difference on longevity of a smoothbore shotgun barrel, they should last hundreds of thousands of rounds before there's any noticeable erosion even with an unlined bore. Some are chrome lined though, for the added corrosion resistance and ease of cleaning. Some are even black chrome lined for aesthetics (namely the older SKB O/U's, which are pretty affordable now). I personally wouldn't base my shotgun selection on whether it has a chromed bore or not, it's so far down the priority list for me.

I used to own a Mossberg 500 (basic/cheap model) but sold it years ago, so my shotgun knowledge is limited to that and some trap shooting on friends guns.

I'm thinking about re-filling that void in my collection. I always liked shooting slugs and door breachers (just a satusfying feeling).

So, my question is, what kind of setup should I bee looking for in a slug shotgun? I have plenty of home defense so this will mainly be a fun gun for weekend gravel pits.

For slugs should I seek a rifled barrel? Are tubefed magazines better feeding for slugs? Give me a primer while I google.

>>33217618
Rifled barrels are designed specifically for sabot slugs (although they also work with Foster-style/"rifled" slugs). I would avoid if you intend to shoot anything other than sabot slugs through it. Further, most rifled barrels have cantilever scope mounts and preclude the use of iron sights.

Most of your cheap slugs are rifled/Foster slugs. They seem to do best with an improved cylinder or skeet choke, so I would recommend getting something with interchangeable chokes. This will generally exclude most of your 18.5" barrels as the majority of them are fixed cylinder bore.

Ones I would recommend would be a Winchester SXP HD model, 500 Tactical, or 870 Slughunter. There's a Mav 88 slug gun with a smoothbore barrel that has iron sights as well, think it's a 24" barrel, but I can't remember if it has removable chokes or not.

>>33217414
>shotguns shells are stupid expensive
Under $5 a box of 25 is "stupid expensive" to you? That's squarely in the middle of steel-cased intermediate rifle ammo and cheaper than most .45acp per round.

Yes, just as with literally every other projectile ever, specialty ammunition like magnum loads, slugs, etc command a premium. Who'dathunkit rite?

>>33217414
What commie faggot state are you in? Massachusetts? New York? Move somewhere better. Shotshells are way cheaper than most rifle and handgun loads

Tell me why I shouldn't have bought my Benelli M4.

>>33217779
because you're a dumbfag and you say creepy shit to sally the 8 year old

>>33217725
He is probably talking about buck and slugs ya dumbo

>>33210997
Fuck me, I literally just bought a Mossberg.

>>33218370
In that case he should've fucking specified or at least realized that buck and slugs fall under specialty ammo.

And even then they're fairly inexpensive when bought in bulk, with things like Rio Royal Buck down around 40cpr.

>>33217725
>Under $5 a box of 25 is "stupid expensive" to you?
no but this is pricing for birdshot target loads

00buck and slugs are the fun ammo and they're like $1 per shell, it's fucking stupid

>>33221243
Thats why you put 00 buck on the shelf and save it for when your gun is by the bed or in the trunk, and practice with cheap birdshot, kinda like the guys that shoot a shitload of cast bullets in their pistols and then use factory ammo for carry

>>33221533
i mean yeah i do that, if i were ever in a situation where there was a burglar or some shit i'd put 00 buck in but i still wanna blast away at targets with it, which you can't do without taking out a loan

birdshot just doesn't have the oomph

Seems like a good place to ask.

Where do you guys buy 12ga?
>bird shot
>buck
>slugs
>exotic shit

my local stores sell bird for around 5-6 for 25 rounds. Is there somewhere cheaper I can get bird?

And I was picking up "royal" buckshot from a local shop for around 2-3 bucks a box of 5 and they haven't had any in a while.

and ideas where I can get it cheaper?

I'd really hate to reload 12ga there doesn't seem to be a lot of folk who reload it anymore.

>>33217779
um....because you should give it to me?

the m4 is tits man, fuck anyone who hates on it. Not only is it classy as fuck, it's operator as fuck.

>>33223894
Mainly concerned about where all my cheap buckshot went.....it was really nice to be able to blast shit with buckshot for an afternoon and only spend like 20-30bucks lol

>>33223894
I pretty much only buy slugs and buck because I shoot indoors and that's all my range allows. Cabelas usually has Herter's buckshot for 50-60 cpr.

Otherwise, check WikiArms or GunBot

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Is this meme worth buying?

>>33223894
ammoseek

>>33224034
not in that short barrel. get the full size barreled one.

>>33224061
I don't mean that specific one, just spas in gen

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>>33224098
>heavy
>finicky
>overly expensive
>overly complicated

Get it if it gives you a hard on because of looks and movies like Jurassic Park. But don't think it's some miracle gun.

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>>33223894
I just go to my local gun shops. Federal Flight Control buckshot seems to be hard to find for me, but I did pick up a sweet deal on some Power Shok 3" magnum shells from fucking Walmart of all places.
$12 for a box of 15, not too bad.

>>33224228
why the fuck are they not all lined up the same way

this is pissing me off

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>>33224034

It will be your most functional, attention-getting range toy. It has too many quirks to be considered for HD anymore, but they're tanky and all the old wear-parts are now replaceable/upgradeable.

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>>33224248
Best guess would be that the odd one out is loaded into the chamber over the top of the receiver, the rest are bottom loaded into the tube.

>>33224299
Ding ding

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Anyone got an opinion on the vepr? From what I hear they are basically a saiga that actually works.

>>33224324
They sweet guns, friendo got one when they was shipping em for under 800.

>>33224324
>basically a saiga that actually works.

that was my experience. Saiga 12 was the worst purchase if you get a shit one.

>>33224324
They are built on a rpk receiver, longer and heavier, this gives you less flex and greater durability of the receiver obviously, other than that the only Vepr I personally know the owner of and have shot is a first model 308 which works quite well and is very accurate but no experience with the 12 gauge.

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>>33210649
Thinking about getting a DP-12 one of these days, anyone have one? Is it good/worth the price?

>>33216185
load your own senpai
all you need is a shell and whatever you want to put in it- most kinds open up very easily.

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>>33216185
Make your own.

>>33210649
You forgot to add:
Easiest round to improvise a weapon for (ye olde fourwinds).
One of the only rounds that can be used as grenades, mines and mortars.
12 gauge is easiest to ghetto RPG.

Pellets get around armor, blunt force trauma is a thing with slugs. 12 guage is second on the threat list for swatt next to a full size rifle.

>>33211120

But you can't carry all of those at once anon.

Anyone here bought a winchster sxp? I don't like mine and would like to sell it.

>>33224707
Why don't you like it? Was considering it

>>33224727
I sprayed the choke tube with wd 40 and then shot the gun and bulged my barrel like a genious and had to buy another barrel. The choke tubes never seem to want to stay in tight. When you shoot the gun it tracks the action back but it's inconsistent with bird shot making me never know how far back it came. Also i don't like that it is made in turkey.

>>33224567
Into it for the capacity or the overall length?

>>33224786
Length, and the fact that it has 2 barrels

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Over Under or Side by Side?

Same question but in sawn off?

>>33225097
side by side is the most aesthetic gun desu

>>33225097

Just depends on purpose.

For sawn-off, SxS.

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>>33217779
Because you should buy an M1.

>>33225097
Over under is sex, and I've never seen an over under sbs so I'd say over under again.

>>33211058

>Smooth barrel is far and away the most versatile.

This Anon is correct. Smoothbore with screw-in chokes will do damn near everything.
The problem with a rifled barrel is that shot patterning suffers (the spin spreads the shot out into a ring, which sounds cool but actually isn't), and certain types of ammo are simply not safe to shoot through it.
Rifled and / or aerodynamic shells out of a smoothbore still have perfectly passable accuracy out to a hundred yards or so, so the smooth barrel is far and away the superior choice.

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>>33211092

>Also when is Calico going to finish their shotgun?

12 gauge with a 50-round helical drum magazine when?

>>33214051

Mossberg's all right Anon, but IMO a Remington 870 is better.
See that little black lump on the back of the shotgun, just about where the black metal frame curves to meet the wooden shoulder stock?
That's a thumb slide safety, and they're prone as hell to breaking on that model of shotgun.
I personally own one, and know two other people who have, and on all three guns, it broke.
Mine's STILL broken, because it's my home defense shotgun and fuck it.

Also, I've had slide rail and extractor breakage issues with the Mossberg that I never had with the Remington.

Shoots fine though. *shrug*

>>33224324

I've heard the same, Anon, but have no firsthand experience with one to back it up.
Everyone I've talked to said that Saiga is only good after you double your already expensive purchase with a shit-ton of aftermarket parts - then they get badass.
Until then, they're kinda crap.
Secondhand information, so take that as you will.

>>33224567

Kind of wonky. It's a solution in search of a problem.
The bullpup form-factor isn't the end-all, be-all of shotguns. Useful in some situations, sure, but not as fantastic as the marketing would lead you to believe.
Also, it doesn't load or shoot like a regular shotgun. For me, that's an issue - I have years of regular Remington and Mossberg reflexes drilled in.
I suppose if it was your first and only shotgun it might be okay... but it's also too new for there to be a large volume of reliability info on it, and that's another concern I have.
I wouldn't buy one, but that's just me.

Are used Remington 870 Police Magnum worth buying? I was offered one with a m4 style adjustable stock in acceptable condition with no rust and shiny bore, just slightly beat up looking, for $275.

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only one that got it right >>33221203
I bulk buy heavy 00B royal all day. Gives satisfaction of recoil, power of blast, and a nice radius. Using birdshot for practice is like training for 7.62 with .22lr. You want to practice with the ammo you're GOING TO USE before actually using in a "tactical" scenario. And FFS, do some fucking research before posting "muh slugs/buck $1 a round!!"

>>33224034
Have two.
Absolutely not.

>>33225431
>benelli m1

Why when the M2 exists?

>>33210649
what the fuck is GOAT and why do you faggots keep calling shit goat? its gay as fuck, stop it

>>33210964
try owning a 28ga

>>33211030
you meant 8 gauge, right?

>>33225097
O/U if you're landed gentry blasting birds or clays
SxS if you're a working class man getting shit done
>sawed-off
SxS unless you're desecrating a nobleman's heirloom shotgun as per above.

>>33210994
Why does everyone on /k/ act like a contrarian retard on purpose

>>33226824
Not the guy you were replying to but why absolutely not, what don't you like about it? Been thinking of getting one myself. If not the spas12, what other shotguns capable of semiauto + pump would be recommended?

>>33214051
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL1-YikvzwY
mossberg is user serviceable

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My shotgats. Ignore kettle.

Super happy with the 1914 auto-5, it's fucking pristine.

>>33224678
>slugs
>blunt force trauma
Only if you consider getting punched by a 3rd grade girl "blunt force trauma" because that's about the energy transfer through armor a magnum slug has.

>>33221574
Sounds like you have a rampant case of the faggotry desu.

>>33223894
Either load my own (20, 28, .410) or wait for sales at the big-box stores when I can get Gun Clubs for $4.29 a box.

Ammoseek/wikiarms/gunbot for buckshot.

>>33223927
>heavy as shit
>cucked by import and getting it back to its "standard" capacity costs an additional $110+
>C-stock simply not available through any means

>>33226880
You see that one that's second from the left?

Guess what it is. I can find ammo for it all day long. Even walmart carries it if I'm willing to spend $14 a box for AA's.

>>33226668
I'll probably just wait a few years then, price goes down, more reviews and then make a decision.

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>>33226869

>>33229539
/k/ is for /k/ettles.

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>>33210649

>>33229539
>it's fucking pristine.
bout to say..thing looks goood

>>33231138
is sweet
id cut off one of my hands for a super 90

>>33226880
>he doesn't reload 28ga

Costs less per box than the cheapest Walmart 12ga shells. Your $500 progressive press pays for itself in 10 rounds of sporting clays.

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Hey I wanted to say thanks to the anon who told me about the deal he got on buckshot yesterday at walmart.

I got 30rds of buck for 24$ not the greatest deal in the world but decent.

I now stand strong on
250 bird
45 buck
20 1oz slugs
5 Hornady sabots

I'm really lacking on shotgun ammo, I miss when they had super big deals on buck shot when the saiga 12 came out.

>>33216216
Stop sudjesting the maverick 88 to poorfags, that gun is a POS and will blow up.

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>>33225115
sawn off over and under are sexy beasts

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>>33227995
not spasman but,

benelli m3

>>33224248
do u even fukin oper8 m8?

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>>33210649
>all this talk about ammo
my big stupid face when cherokee gun & pawn sells cheap 00 12ga loads on the reg

>>33232026
not buying suprema 25rds for $11.99

>>33210649
whats the best barrel length for a single shot SBS 12GA and why?

Anyone know of a 2.5" +1 tube extension for a 590A1?