Why do people refer to the Germans in WW2 as Nazis? Wouldn't

>>33210430
Now that I think about it, you're right.

>>33210430
Because people are stupid. Remember, there are lots of people out there that think America defeated the third riech, when in actually the USSR did 90% of the work.

>>33210430
Because the Nazi political party at the start of WW2 was so all-encompassing of every facet of life that they earned the moniker in the same way every Russian/Ukrainian/Belorussian in 1960 was a Soviet--they either believed the political line or they played like it because they'd be drug out back and shot if it was apparent they didn't.

They did the bidding of the Nazi party, so it's easy to say "the Nazis overran Belgium" and shit like that.

>>33210430
Nazis were the ruling major political party, so most of Germany's actions ultimately fell onto their interests. Not all Russians were Soviets either.

>>33210430
It was a one-party state.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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>>33210430

Jewish brainwashing in entertainment media.

>>33210430
ONLY RETARDED FUCKING AMERIBUGERS REFER TO GERMANS AS NAZIS IF YOU NOTICED

>>33210484
But that's wrong you retard. The USSR became known as Soviets and Communists because that's what everyone had to BE. At no point in Germany (at least prior to 1945, and after that nobody but the fanatics cared) were you required to identify as a member of the National Socialist party.
FFS the Schutzstaffel were formed specifically as a Fifth Column against Wehrmacht and other openly apolitical or politically divisive government and civil groups.
You could be apolitical, dislike certain government ideas, or even be openly critical - it was an extreme faux pas and most who felt that way kept quiet or left the country, but Germany was not a Nazi monolith

>>33211424
You seem annoyed.

>>33210430

Germany in WW2 was a one-party state. Not only the controlling party but the only political party in existence was the Nazi Party. The Nazis thus became synonymous with the German government during WW2. The United States has a two-party system and even when one party has a majority the other party not only exists but continues to play an active role in government with many legislative seats and other positions behind held by minority politicians. If you can't see the difference between those two systems I'm really not sure how to help you.

>>33214212
You were required to be a member of the Hitler youth if you were young enough, and all social clubs (often affiliated with other parties) were made into Nazi social clubs. So you may not be a member of the party, but you go to the Nazi swimming club, save up stamps for a Volkswagen, send your retarded cousin off to the "hospital" where they tell you he's doing fine, and try to get on one of those Nazi "Strength through Joy" vacations.

It's called totalitarianism because the politics of the party invaded almost every facet of life.

>>33210486
The US army did the bidding of the Democrat party, but you would never say:
>The Democrats stormed the beaches at Normandy.
>>33210498
You could say the same about the Democrat party in the US.
>Not all Russians were Soviets either
The name of the country they were in was the Soviet Union, so it is fair to call them Soviets, but not Communists.
>>33210586
Was the US not a one party state? Democrats were in power here just as long as the Nazis were in Germany. Roosevelt overthrew the Supreme Court, and Congress was in his pack pocket.
>>33211424
Germans do too to ease their guilt.
>>33214266
The GOP was pretty much powerless in the 30s. Roosevelt had just as much power over here as Hitler did in Germany. He even had concentration camps too, so the USA was just as much of a one party state even if America did have token opposition.
>>33214297
>It's called totalitarianism because the politics of the party invaded almost every facet of life.
You mean like Roosevelt telling a farmer in Ohio that he wasn't allowed to grow corn on his own farm to feed his own hogs?

>>33210430
It's an element of whitewashing German history. Every German at time benefited with Hitler's policy by work of slaves, stolen goods or landship. And unlike German, term Nazi may be applied to everyone. Except Jews. So we are getting ludicrous German Resistance plot (Valkyrie, anyone?) and on the other hand the most brilliant Soviet commander, General Vlasov, is being labelled as Nazi.

For the same reason reason Allies made SS evil posterboys, whereas all the German armed forces particpated in war crimes, and SS was waste of resources and manpower.

>>33210430
We won so we get to decide what their name was.

>>33214399
This

Hitler did nothing wrong

>>33214212
>The SS was specifically formed to knock everyone in line
>And that's why there was freedom of speech!

Are you retarded or is this revisionist newspeak

>>33214392
This post will trigger some, but most are too stupid to comprehend it.

>>33214440
which part of
>SS was waste of resources and manpower

You fail to comprehend, Ahmed Shnitzel?

>>33210430
people are too lazy to bother with subset and superset distinctions
also this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denazification
in 1945 pretty much anyone in Germany between the age of 8 to 80 was considered to be a potential Nazi

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>>33210430
>Why do people refer to the Germans in WW2 as Nazis? Wouldn't that be like referring to the Americans as Democrats?


He does have a point.
We don't call WW1 Germans "Kaisers" nor "Prussians".

P.S.
Fuck the Germans.

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>>33214874
ehh

>>33214431
This
Basically every war in history
The winners write history as they please

>>33210430
No, it's like referring to Americans as freedomfats.

>>33210430
This belongs on /k/ why?

>Why do people refer to the Germans in WW2 as Nazis?

Because the war was waged in behalf of , wait for it, holy fuck, Nazi ideology.

According to Wehrboos no actual Nazis exist. Lost people seize any different ideology. Wehrboos would be Communists if the Commies had sexier uniforms with leatherfaggotry, but no Reich would want autsperger mental defectives and would promptly and justifiably gas them.

>>33215933
into the ovens with you

>>33215953

The Iraq war was waged on behalf of, wait for it, holy fuck, Neocon ideology.

Why dont we call the Ameircans the neocons in regards to the iraq war?

Neocon troops have been ambushed, an IED was set of near to a neocon base etc.

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If it's not a nazi plane, why does it have nazi markings?
Same question for every german piece of equipment in ww2.

I didn't notice a lot of donkeys painted on american gear.

>>33210471
>What is Lend-Lease

Will people please stop spouting this meme?

>>33214230
I JUST CAN'T STOP MIXING PEYOTE AND STEROIDS

>>33214440
>Did nothing wrong
>Started a two front war and lost

>>33217757
It's logistics win wars 101
I have no idea how people dont understand the importance of the lend lease, even past the arms they sent, the resources and supplies that were sent, the sheer quantity
Bongs supplied Russia with their arctic convoys before we started sending the major bulk of supplies to the reds, then they were able to actually counter attack the krauts because of the amount of shit we started giving, their industry relied on ours

>>33217729
Probably because the Donkey wasn't on the American flag, jackass.

Very few members of the Wehrmacht were actual card-carrying party members.

>>33217729
As simplistic as it is, I appreciate this reasoning.

>>33217912
Zhukov himself was quoted to say without lend lease the Soviets couldn't have won. Even if we didn't send them arms or trucks early in the war, the amount of steel and raw materials they got to throw into the war effort was why they could churn out T34s and not collapse their economy.

>>33217912
Except massive casualties were also a huge part, and it's debatable as to how much of those supplies reached the front line.

>>33217952
Railcars don't have to reach the front line to help win wars, especially when you're a big landmass like russia

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>>33211424
This although I do call my best friend whose pretty much Hitler's Aryan wet dream a nazi, kraut, bratwurst, barbarian, stupid fuckin' blonde, and snownigger but only because he's got a fuck load of material on me being a beaner and all that.

I have to say though, all those books one German soldiers and the rise of hitler he had when we were roommates in the military was a bit unnerving, I just told myself he's trying to get to know his heritage, nothing wrong with that.

>>33214212
You're making a pretty good case for calling the people directly involved in the war "Nazis".

>>33210430
>Wouldn't that be like referring to the Americans as Democrats?

To be accurate, you would have to refer to Americans by whichever party held the White House. This could cause some confusion. On Monday we're known as Dems. On Wednesday following the election, we're now known as the GOP. It's manageable right now, but things could get out of hand in a hurry if we elect an Independent or something like the NAMBLA candidate.

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>>33217925
I don't know how true that is anon, my great grandfather was a navigator on an He-111 that went down during the battle of Britain (Spent the war in a pow camp) and he once told me to be very wary of Germans who said there were very few actual nazis out there. He talked about how the nationalist up swell was pretty much all consuming and that even he was a card carrying nazi at the time, like most everyone.

>>33210471
>when in actually the USSR did 90% of the work.

Wrong. USSR did most of the dying, which is not the same thing.

>>33217912
>>33217945
>>33217968
I was under the impression that the flood of Lend-Lease aid that we normally associate with the program only began appearing in Russia in 1943, which is after the turning point of the campaign in Russia. Is this not the case?

>>33218067
I should add, to be clear, that he told me this while going in a broken English rant about how the Japanese were cowards for trying to act the part of the pacifist victim in the 90s.

>>33214392
>The name of the country they were in was the Soviet Union,

USSR wasn't a country. Do you consider the EU to be one country?

>>33214399
>SS was waste of resources and manpower.

Not necessarily. It was a good place to collect all of the True Believers and other Party fanatics, along with a sprinkling of sociopaths and psychopaths. And then put them is situations where they die a lot.

If you look at it that way, the SS was a public service.

>>33218121
The majority started coming in 1942 onwards I believe, which is why I said it allowed them to actually counter attack, however as I also said Russia was still receiving western aid beforehand, and Britain was getting goods off America and shipping shit to Russia at the same time
Western Russia had taken a beating, all those men, they needed an economy to sustain it

>>33216275
America defines neocon ideology. Nazi ideoligy defined Germany.

It's a matter of common usage. When you say American, it's commonly known that you're referring to neocon. When you say Nazi, it's commonly known that you're referring to German.

The lesson to take away from this is, don't let Austrians run your country if it's not Austria. We didn't take that lesson to heart in California, and Jesus will you look at the mess we're in now.

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>pic related

>>33210430
Governments declare war. Not individuals or countries.

I get your point though

>>33217879
Wait until you try ibogaine. That shit will derail a presidential campaign faster than a .500 Nitro Express to the sternum.

When your heart feels like an alligator, and the rush is burning into your brain, and you're down to the last case of rum, that's when you can really evaluate your life choices. You can get some pure, high quality thinking done. The heavy raw stuff, not that daytime fluff. Long, gritty runs, 30 or 45 minutes at a shot, of sheer mind bending instinctual intellectualism.

Don't answer the door or the phone after midnight, it's never what you need to hear. Unless it's a dwarf in a pillbox hat. He has grapefruit, you'll need the vitamin C.

Yeah. Ibogaine. It's a hell of a drug.

>>33218067
>He talked about how the nationalist up swell was pretty much all consuming

Consider the circumstances and the time. Hitler was giving people hope again, telling them that he could make Germany great again. Everybody wanted to believe, because what they had going on at the time sure wasn't working out.

>>33218583
Oh I don't disagree, he spoke in the same way and I wouldn't blame people for being caught up in the ideals after what happened to them, especially as popular opinion mounted. He just hated people trying to excuse themselves as "Not really Nazis" or even worse, that actual nazis weren't a thing.

>>33210430
Why do we refer to the USSR and PRC as Communist?
Because the government was overwhelmingly and/or legally mandated to be so.
Same goes for the euro-commies.

>>33218076
>Eastern front German deaths and POW's: 2,124,352
>Western front German deaths and POW's: 516,757

Even with North Africa included, non-Russian allies didn't even total up half of the German military deaths.

Fuck off Americuck, you didn't do shit compared to Russia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_casualties_in_World_War_II

>>33218076
kek'd
>DONT WORRY SILLY AMERICAN, I SHALL HANDLE THIS

>>33218632
HOLD THE LINE, LOVE ISN'T ALWAYS ON TIME