Why do western nations keep giving dumbass arabs multi-million

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>T-90A

>Modern

>Gun stabilizer from the 70s
>Some obsolete laser warning system
>Essentially a T-72B with some gadgets hastily welded on.

The only goof thing about it is the ERA, but it doesn't even cover the hull sides, which is how most vehicles get killed.

>>33208799
>Dumbass country wants tanks
>Pays millions for them
>They get destroyed
>Dumbass country wants more tanks

This is called a 'successful business practice'.

Because once the tank is built it isn't worth anything, it's just a resource drain. Selling them to someone else not only recoups some cost but also saves you maintenance time and money.

Military hardware is just a resource drain unless you're actively using it or deterring with it.

>>33208823
The T-90A is no T-90M for sure, but it is still an incredibly well protected tank. We've seen one take a TOW to the turret face and only dislodge a reflector.

>>33208839
except that most of the time these countries don't have anough money to buy those tanks because they are nothign but 3rd world shit hole

so the gov't put some money into the order so dumbass country stay friendly

>>33208799
Try training someone who can't count to do infantry shit in the field let alone how a tank works.
The education infrastructure necessary to understand very basic physics concepts that westerners take for granted is spotty at best.

There's also this weird cultural thing when it comes to sharing information, arabs just don't like training each other to the point of autonomy they like it when their peers have to come to them to solve problems, shit's weird.
The whole culture has a lot of egocentric issues that prevent many from becoming good team players.

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>>33208799
So what? If the turks are stupid enough to get their tanks blown up we should be happy. The only way this affects us is that they just buy new ones. We should be happy when a third world tier military has first world tier funding

>>33208799
You assume they're not being trained, when it's more likely that they're typical middle easterners can simply cannot be trained.

Try to train the unit commander so he can train his men? Nope. He's just gonna keep everything and sell it because making his men competent fighters who know how to do ANYTHING at all is a threat to his position and authority. Better to make it so he's the only one who knows anything at all, as his boss does to him, and his boss above him.

So you circumvent the cultural bullshit and train the boots on the ground directly. You can spend goddamned weeks training the shitbags, you can drill them endlessly into something that looks just like a competent fighting force— and very first instant you come in contact, they panic, forget absolutely everything and it's a complete shitshow.

At this point, the best thing we can do for them is let them continue to kill each other. There is nothing that the civilized peoples of the world can do for the middle east that will bring about real change and turn the locals into something resembling civilized humans.

>>33209099
The problem is that these tanks are being supplied to fight ISIS/rebels/whatever the fuck is going on in Syria nowadays. Pretty sure we're getting a way shittier deal than countries actually purchasing tanks.

Obligatory:
http://www.meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars

>>33209131
>and very first instant you come in contact, they panic, forget absolutely everything and it's a complete shitshow.
Case in point in the OP. Panicked and bailed from the tank after taking no penetrating hits, forgetting the driver inside the tank, not even bothering to try and put the fire out, leaving the hatches wide open.

I wonder if the tank crew will get assigned to a new tank after this, considering they all escaped fine.

>>33209030
Everybody wants to be a gangsta till it's time to do gangsta shit

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>>33208823
>but it doesn't even cover the hull sides,
Don't make shit up just because you want to sound like you know something. Hull side ERA pictured.

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>>33209030
>The education infrastructure necessary to understand very basic physics concepts that westerners take for granted is spotty at best.
Stop blaming the infrastructure for a people problem. Now!

>>33209141
this desu

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>>33209184

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>>33208799
meanwhile in United Arab Emirates tank corps operating in Yemen.
>Drive Leclerc
>AT mine explodes
>one tank tread is dead
>Tank is sent in France to be repaired

>Drive leclerc
>suddenly Konkurs ATGM in driver's hatch
>driver dead commander injured
>Tank is sent in France to be repaired

>Drive leclerc
>Suddenly heavy machine gun fire and sniper shots in optics
>optics destroyed, tank falls back
>Tank is sent in France to be repaired

>Read 4chinz /k/unts thread
>suddenly read bullshit
>huuur western tank too expensive look at good russian tank sand people can't save while it's fine so why buy expensive western tanks arabs are just wasting money hurr durr
>OP is sent to the next gaypride since he's a faggot

>>33208799
We prop up their government, they let us exploit their oil.

Why do you think the House of Saud hasn't been overthrown by secularists?

>>33209131
Wiping them off the map and repopulating the area sounds like a start.

>>33209030

http://www.meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars

If anyone hasn't read this, read this.

>>33209243

>protect upper 1/4 of hull

Yeah, nah. This is what proper ERA coverage looks like on a T-72.

You can't train sand niggers en masse with success.

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>>33210637
Bae though

>>33210342
The T-90 in this situation wouldn't have even needed repairs if they'd just stayed in the fucking tank. Meanwhile, you've just posted multiple cases of mobility kills and crew deaths as somehow proof that the Leclerc is better?

Frenchie autism is something.

>>33210637
I wish I had an extra set of hands so I could give those titties 4 thumbs down.

>>33208799
Hey, give these doctors and engineers a break. They're the future of Western Civilization after all!

>>33208799
>western
>T-90

>>33208799
Because that's how they make money

Western nations aren't really buying new tanks right now. The middle east is where a lot of defense sales are made

>>33211430
>The T-90 in this situation wouldn't have even needed repairs if they'd just stayed in the fucking tank
All right let me reread OP
>An hour later the driver was rescued from the tank, and they /still/ left the tank to burn
>because the crew didn't use a fire extinguisher
In OP's world, fire extinguishers solve every fire problem. Especially after fire damage occured. Especially if you don't know if the ennemy still observe you. Especially after some of the vital parts of the tank are knocked off, like optics, or this famous shtora system, because, you know, fragments.

>So to summarize
- You weren't there.
- You never operated into this kind of tank or operated at all
- You don't know what these guys were told to do
- You wouldn't probably fare very well either if you were in their shoes, despite your superior meme-tier tacticool knowledge
- T-90 is shit
- the whole war on isis and kebabs and friends is a shitshow
- mercenaries fighting alongside the SAA are shit
- when ayyrabs are properly trained and equiped they do mostly fine once they've circumvented their cultural misshaps
- considering this last point, putting them into a modern western MBT indeed makes sense because it surely takes a little more brain to be able to use it than just being able to drive a car and shoot a mosin. And thus the probability of finding yourself surrounded by a pair of Abu Hajar is lessened.

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>its a slavshit isn't really shit its just mudslime monkeys don't know how to use it episode

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>>33208799
It's called capitalism baby

>>33212014
>In OP's world, fire extinguishers solve every fire problem
The fire was external, numb nuts. It took HOURS for it to spread through the open hatches and into the tank itself, where it finally cooked off the ammo. They literally could've just closed the hatches and the tank would've been fine, let alone putting the fire out with extinguishers. It was only because they abandoned the tank and left the hatches wide open that the fire became a problem at all.

>So to summarize
You're an idiot that can't read the OP correctly?

>>33208823
Stop talking out of your ass dude

>>33209030
They are genetically incapable of learning the western physic, hence why they still live in mud huts. Some made it out and made something close to civilization but made the mistake of not killing the mud hut dwellers and allowing them to breed.

Genetics are the root and culture is the fruit.

>US Republicans won't use money to fund healthcare
>But they'll throw money away to fund sand people in the Middle East

America FTW...

>>33211902
It's western in this situation.

>>33212776
>Republicans
???

>>33212776
cool bait

The Russians gave the Arabs S-300's

What the actual fuck?

>>33209181
>forgetting the driver

Or just didn't care enough, they just wanted to save their own asses.

>>33210366
Because the Saudi government gives the entire population cushy government jobs to keep them happy.

Yhe saudi's but they are flying F-16's and most likelly have s-300's to.

Monkey's with long range hand granades.

>>33212764
The 1900s called, they want their amateur hour bastardization of science back.

>>33212764
>/pol/ in charge of understanding genetics, intelligence, or anything else that doesn't conform to their 'anything that isn't white is a blight' mindset
I'm pretty sure the roaches are smarter than you at this point.

Smarter then then all of us being turned into cucks by unknown entities with long range hand granades.

>>33213229
>>33213382
>IQ isn't inheritable
>ignoring that I said some are smarter but get dragged down
>thinking that posting 'I love science' memes is knowing jack shit about it
>ignoring problems makes them go away

>>33213413
>IQ=intelligence
Like I said, amateur hour.

>>33213492
IQ is a useful baseline for intelligence and cognitive limits to an individual, dipshit. You are making the claim it doesn't matter, now prove it.

>>33212397
being fair that's the exact same conclusion we reach when given them Western equipment

>>33212929
>Iran
>Arabs
Persians is not Arabs dude
>still sandniggers though

>>33213552
You fundamentally do not understand what IQ is. It is a measurement of aptitude for certain types of logical thinking. And a very rough measurement at that, studies have found that IQ test results could be influenced by anything from financial incentive to emotional state. It is not a measurement of ability. Furthermore, as any first year neurology student could tell you, the brain grows as you use it through a process called neural branching. It's like a muscle, the more you use it the smarter you get.

Education and socialization matters when it comes to human behavior. So does biology of course, I'm not dismissing the presence of a certain amount of genetic determinism in Humans, but in this situation you are factually wrong.

>>33213792
>studies have found that IQ test results could be influenced by anything from financial incentive to emotional state
Which matters when testing an individual, not populations.

>>33213848
>Which matters when testing an individual, not populations.

If you're testing a population of poor, emotionally distressed (ie: the kind caused by poverty) people vs a population of richer, less stressed people?

>>33211430
He's a sandnigger

He's trying to argue that the Russian tanks are better than western tanks because he thinks that has something to do with the thread somehow

>>33212764
You could say the same about every society tho

N.Korea developing long range missiles, Iran doing the same.

Think about it, all You need is a shaped 50 pound tungsten cone traveling at hypersonic speeds.

this kind of weapon in the wrong hands cannot exist.

Hence long range hand granade in the hands of a monkey.

We have to take them out, Russia giving the Iranians the S-300 is litarally a transfer of technology, with all of the defending we do for the Russians, I think its not out of the question that they may have made a mistake.

>>33213877
Criminality amoung second and third generation third world immigrants in places like France and Sweden disproves this, they have a silver spoon in thier mouths and are treated very well by the state.

>>33213877
Rich niggers still under-achieve academically and commit far more crime than poor whites. Environment is a factor in these matters, but not the most important one. Everything points to race being the most important factor. Try again fuccboi.

why give iraq army abram tanks with no uranium armor? why iraq army so shitty? why mudslimes lose to anyone with even a little sense of war strategy? even mongols owned their asses.

These S-300's are designed to intercept ICBM's durring the hight of the cold war... Upgraded models where sold to Iran

These Missiles are capable of everything that an ICBM is capable of.

That's my pet peave.

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>>33213968
Provide evidence or fuck off. You are in charge of substantiating your claims. Nobody else.

>>33209141
This and the fact that the big mil-ind conglomerates get paid regardless.

Doesnt matter that arab armies are generally shit tier, companies get paid, lobbyists get paid, politicians get paid, and last and certainly least, American workers get paid.

>>33213907
Not orignial anon, but at least most other societies are not that fond of people marrying and fucking their cousin for generations.

Hell even the inuits understood that inbreeding is bad, thats why prisoners where used as breeding stock in the smaller towns before they where taken away.

>>33210342
>Tank is sent in France to be repaired
That seems madly wasteful.

>>33210342
>Tanks sent back to France.

Bullshit!
All tanks were repaired back to the MBT workshop in the UAE.
The one penetrated by Kornet was put under a tarp for multiple months. This tank was then assessed by the french personals of Giat Industries who gave the instructions to patch the glacis...
The other M-killed tanks were brought back to fully operational order in a matter of weeks (the time to send them back to UAE, assess the hull integrity and do the body work.

>>33208799
Russia gave syria T-62s. Yes a fucking T-62 (well they were overhauled ones and the electronics were upgraded to keep up with the time, mainly digital radio and updated FCS)

http://defence-blog.com/army/syrian-army-receives-the-upgraded-t-62m-main-battle-tanks-from-russia.html

You don't need state of the art hardware if you're fighting a non-state actor. What you need is to invest in intel-gathering, communication system and most of all, not being a shit government in the first place

>>33208868
You win the prize!

Hardwarefags who want to draw eyes on tanks then fap to them don't get this. Military aid buys INFLUENCE. Tanks are as expendable as people.

>>33215010
Freight is so cheap that it doesn't matter WHERE they are sent. Contract maintenance gets done either way. Noobs are impressed by distance but that's stupid. Sea freight from UAE to France is peanuts.

UAE have so much money equipment losses are irrelevant. That doesn't make them competent, it makes them able to pay to repair tanks.

>>33209030
>arabs just don't like training each other to the point of autonomy they like it when their peers have to come to them to solve problems, shit's weird.
>The whole culture has a lot of egocentric issues that prevent many from becoming good team players.
This.
Read http://www.meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars bitches.

>>33208989
Its basic corruption, politician gives money to third world shithole x to buy american guns, gun maker make money, give money to politician and the circle goes round and round. In the end only person getting shafted is the tax payer.

>>33215286
I don't care if freight is cheap or not; if UAE can afford it or not.
Misinformation is just high on that one that I had to point that out.
The only thing brought to France was the injured tank commander that required decent cares.

>>33213778
>The eternal Anglo gave Pakis nuclear weapons

WHAT THE FUCK

>>33208799
That tank looks awoke, awoke and angry.

>>33208799
>they kept getting given modern tanks

Its the preferred alternative to surplusing them to citizens and they can write them off as aid instead of scrap (and thus a waste of tax)

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>>33210690

Fuck yeah Megaforce

>>33215332
And why are you even care about the tank commander?

In the end of the day, he's just a random soldier, a bubble in the ocean. People lile him are like flies; they drop everywhere and there are plenty more where they came from

>>33213934
It doesn't. You have no idea how people there live because you're a retarded American who gets his info from retards on 4chan.

>>33216613
What is the 'it' you are responding to, sand monkey?
Your sentence structure makes no sense.

>>33216530
Personally, this is part of the RETEX (return of experience) process. Knowing what happened to the driver, what resulted to the TC, etc.
If you design the "you" by France, I think this is part of the friendly gestures delivered to allies.

>>33208799
because they have the cash for them. what kind of stupid question is that?