WW3 breaks out. How long do these things last? Wouldn't

what do you think it's like to work on one of those ships?

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>>33179913

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Drum_%28Philippines%29

Artificial islands can take a hell of a pounding. Probably want to take them out with bunker busters for better cost effectivness.

There may or may not be SSGNs already in theater to handle them.

I guess the US would just crater the runway, bomb the port and move on. The island hopping tactic of leaving fortresses to starve out worked before.

>>33179913
>What exactly does China expect these to do?
I'm certainly not an expert, but I imagine the idea is to grow the "border" of China and establish more credible area denial capability from these islands because so much of China's industrial capacity was built up in coastal areas to be close to shipping.

Its not so much they need to be defensible. They simply need to exist .

Its all sabre rattling

>>33179913
The point isn't what they can accomplish during wartime, but what they can do during peacetime.

>>33179913
That's not a completed Chink Artificial Island anon.

The finished ones have more AA & AAA than 1990s disintegrating Yugoslavia on them.

Photos were posted here before of the tiered hexagonal tower buildings that had CIWS mounts, SAM VLS cells, and radar domes.

They looked pretty cool.

>>33179913
The point is that if the islands are recognized as claimed and occupied, they can claim an exclusive economic zone for 300 miles of their new "coast", and they can control shipping and drilling that yummy oil in that zone. The fortifications are part of the "occupied" requirement, and well as preventing another asian nation's fishing boat from stealing the island with fish-hooks and angry glances.

>>33180822
>>33180778
>this
Just think about how farcical and ridiculous the American process of approving military projects is, and then imagine if it was run by Chinese shitlords with no oversight at all.

>>33180778

This, it's more of a diplomatic maneuvering. Same as Israel does with their settlements in the West Bank. That said it pisses off everyone in the region, it only works when dealing with Europeans who actually accept their claims.

>>33180778
It's this, and its abusing nautical territory law. They build them so that they can have sovereign coastline wherever they want, and therefore the water 12km in every direction is Chinese nationally controlled water. So it's to build them just because they can and they knwo nobody is going to actually stop them, and to try and technically legitimize the idea that they own the entirety of the South China Sea.

>>33179913
>What exactly does China expect these to do?
L A R G E R
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>>33180778
This these islands are being built from a position of weakness not a position of strength a position of strength would be where the u.s is being able to field 12 carriers with reserves it is just saber rattling the Chinese are just a paper tiger :/

The Chinks expect them to absorb the finite number of high value tomahawk missiles the U.S. has, or in the unlikely scenario where the Chinks are on the offensive, they expect to use them to keep a large number of bombers and aerial refuelers in the air.

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>>33179913
>>33180876
Construction

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>>33180876
>>33181148
Radars installed

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>>33181148
>>33181153
Hmmmm... can't find the pic with the naval cannons / CIWS / VLS cell towers now.

So here instead is the runway comparisons on the airstrip islands.

>>33180475
>be you
>fuck something up
>chinese naval officer sees you fuck up
>OH HERRR WHY YU FUK UP
>recive beating
>YU NO FUK UP AGAIN
>repeat as needed.

>>33181049
>high value tomahawk missiles
?

>>33181175
Limited numbers.

China has a metric shit ton of targets to choose from and the USN/USAF only has so many to launch.

If it takes ±15 per (completed) island, that's a lot less coming at mainland China.

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>How hard can it be for the US to attack an island

>>33181319
jusd bomb id XDDDD

>>33181319

Iwo Jima is a 8.1 square mile island with a fucking mountain on it, not a glorified reef that can be essentially neutralized with a handful of JDAMs.

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>>33179913
I think its kind of hilarious they built them, whole area gets hit a couple of times a century with fuckhuge tsunamis and when they're only 1-2m above sea level, its going to be drowned slapheads for miles

>>33181170
BIG

>>33181413
>t. I am ignorant

All of you are thinking small time with Tomahawks and JDAMS.

It's an artificially made island so it's foundation shouldn't be the best and a good couple of explosions should be able to cause it to fall apart/erode in large chunks. Imagine creating a semi-drilling/penetrating torpedo to get through a portion of the foundation and then explode.

BACK TO THE SEA LADDIES!

>>33181476
Not him but enlighten me. I don't know much about these islands and they do appear to be barely above sea level. Is everything on them just set in concrete with floor drains and sump pumps in every room? How do they mitigate flooding?

>>33181200

To turn it around, these islands are concentrated targets, filled with; military aircraft, naval vessels, military personnel, and military infrastructure. This makes it a more lucrative target for those weapons than any mainland target.

An airbase or naval port on the Chinese mainland is a harder target because; it is distributed over a larger area (meaning more munitions are needed to take out all of the facilities), it is harder to approach because the directions of approach are limited by the geography (distributed IADS and support from other bases), and fuel/munitions can be stored under-ground where it is hardly to destroy without direct hits with ground-penetrating PGMs.

In some respects they combine the worst aspects of a fixed base (lack of movement makes it a predictable target, and cannot be moved to attack a different location), with the worst aspects of an aircraft carrier (concentrated high value target which can be crippled in a handful of hits & is difficult to repair in a war situation).

>>33180778
>Its not so much they need to be defensible. They simply need to exist .
ding ding ding

To understand the real purpose of these islands you need to understand the Chinese concept of Unrestricted Warfare

>>33179913
Bring back grand slam bombs.

>>33180573
Except that Fort Drum is built on solid rock and armoured with concrete and steel.
A sandbar doesn't have quite the same hardy qualities...

>>33180887
Nope, that's only for natural landmasses, man-made are not recognised under international law for the purpose of determining the extent of territorial waters claims like EEZ.

>>33181476
Yeah, the Chinese have anti-tsunami missiles.

>>33181613
Those islands are built on concrete, they poured over coral reefs with concrete in order to create them, because fuck nature.

>>33181622
Huh, ok, I wasn't aware of that. Definitely better than just piling sand up. Still, I don't think it's built for the same purpose or to the same standard as say Fort Drum.
So not really a useful comparison.

>>33181170
That's a big island

>>33181536

rice fields

>>33182270
>for (you)

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Rockall serves the same effect.

It's a fecking rock but it is also part of the UK. Check where that extends "our" coastal waters to.

Chinaboos really exaggerate how defensible they are. First of all, they're fixed. Second, they're tiny. Third, they can't hide their air defense in a jungle or mountain. China's ability to defend the sand bars will highly depend on their navy.

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>>33182450
Yes, they're birds giving that thing scale.

>>33179913
static defenses are always shit

>>33182450
26+6=1

Economic-strategic purpose, not military. Same reason that the UK is hanging on to Falklands Islands, or the US hanging on to obscure island across the Pacific. The only new thing is that China is creating them. I expect other countries to do the same in the near future.

>Wouldn't the US just

That requires the US to get involved. These are to bully Singapore, the Philippines, Taiwan, Thailand, etc.

>>33181413
Good lord man you should be ashamed for being so proudly ignorant

They are big fucking islands

Contrary to what stupid westerners believe, fortifications are very much worth it

>>33183271
>They are big fucking islands
They're not. China's biggest man made island is no more than a quarter size of Iwo Jima. They also don't have mountains for fortification just some dredged sand. The fortification is basically weak ass compared to the Chinese navy that protects them.

>>33179913
A few hours. It's going to get fucked up from Tomahawks

>there is no military purpose to these islands full of military weapons
>it was slightly difficult to invade a completely different kind of island a hundred years ago so it would be absolutely impossible to do it again today
>you just don't UNDERSTAND the chinese. I won't actually answer your question, I'll just repeatedly claim that you don't understand the chinese, because you just don't get it do you dude? they're chinese and you don't understand them.

ITT: idiots.

>>33182450

I thought artificial lands didn't count, and that the rock was naturally occuring?

>>33181319
Ask Germany

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Indian_Ocean_earthquake_and_tsunami

kek

>>33179913
Its what happens when your country cant build a reliable aircraft carrier or run effective enough logistics to support a carrier group.

>>33183404
It's still massive compared to the damage that a 2,000 lb bomb does
The original ground was only a little bit below the water too, so they could be building directly on rock

>>33181484
I'm sure a new torpedo could be invented to wrekt the whole island

Hell, if you made it SecretEnough/ViaPrivateContractor you could even use it and fuck with the Chinks

Especially if you're not American

They'd automatically blame America

>>33183934
Don't count the chinks out yet. Give them another 10 years of American Money being syphoned into them via shitty products and we'll see what sort of world the Western World's occupants will build for themselves

>>33179913
Just drop deadly viruses through an aerial dispersion method. I can bet you they can't operate an airfield like that in isolation with the endless threat of biological weapons.

>>33183958
>what are thermo barics.

A thermo large baric warhead like the MOAB or similar munition could pretty much erase effective resistance on the island.

>>33183987
Thats a joke. Whatever military china has cut in half. Fun thing about totalitarian regimes is that they are super paranoid about civil war, for every guy who is fighting you need one to keep an eye on him.

Not even an exageration, literally half the chinese military are dedicated to protecting inner party officials from the other half of the military.

Now add in corruption and reduce that half by 30% because china inflates its military figures by claiming just about everyone 18 to 40 is in the military.

Military power isnt about just having toys, its about having the logistics to support them, and a good enough strategic command to utilize them effectivley.

>but anon, they could build a bridge across the pacific using their soldiers bodies and still have more troops than us!

This is a bit of fuddlore that needs to die. China's biggest enemy is china and their military doctrine reflects that.

>>33184047
Hmmmm, true

But in peacetime, they only need to worry about their surrounding area and in wartime; they only need to worry about who decides to fight WITH the USA

Plus, I think we can all agree that WW3 will never happen, therefore, peace-time maneuvering is the shit

America is a paper-tiger

>>33183958
>>33183999

Don't forget cluster munitions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQpxNA-uku4

>>33184047
Did u even graduate from high school?

>>33184090
WW3 will not be ww2 pt 2 like people think. As soon as anyone starts losing the nukes would come out.

Ww3 will be fought with proxies and economic measures. By that definition we already fought WW3 (lots of political scholars actually want to refer to the cold war as such actually.)

We're probably already fighting WW4 under such conditions.

>>33183958
>It's still massive compared to the damage that a 2,000 lb bomb does
There wouldn't just be one bomb, you idiot. Besides, have you seen the pictures of their islands? They're like the size of a large airport. It's not that difficult to bomb the entirety of an airport. Actually, you don't even have to bomb the whole thing. Just bomb the runway, water supply, and electrical supply.

>>33183999
>>33184092
they are fortified islands

>>33184172

Fortified? Have you actually looked at these islands? There's a couple of concrete blockhouses and some unprotected radars, runways, etc.

We've had bombs that can go through a hundred feet of reinforced concrete for 70 years.

Do you seriously think that these islands cannot be bombed into oblivion?

>>33184172
The only thing fortified are their CIWS and radar tower.

>>33179913
>>33180573
Fuck that. What about a strategic nuke?

>>33184224
>radar
>fortified

lmao dude

>>33184168
>There wouldn't just be one bomb, you idiot.
Case in point: SSGNs carry 150+ VLS cells. That's a LOT of dakka. The USS Ohio all by itself could probably shrek every one of these islands on ten minutes notice.

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>>33184262
If you're going to be armchair general at least pretend to know some stuff. The hexagonal base of a radome can be constructed of concrete.

>>33184328
>The hexagonal base of a radome can be constructed of concrete.

And the top (this is the part the bombs hit by the way) is made of thin metal that can be easily penetrated.

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>>33184328
>can be constructed of concrete.

oh yes, concrete, that totally indestructible material which no bomb can hope to penetrate

now if only the TOP of the radar was also made of concrete, then it would really be impervious to harm

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>>33184342
Regardless, there isn't much fortification on the Chinese islands. Everything that matters is exposed. Not even their SAMs are fortified. Actually that would be stupid because they can quickly resupply with mobile SAMs.

>>33184366

It really isn't possible to "fortify" a SAM launcher, anyway. You need to be able to shoot missiles and radar beams into the sky, so you'll always have some sort of delicate bit poking out.

Also, frankly, if the enemy is dropping bombs directly onto your SAM sites, it's already too late, and no amount of fortification can save your ass.

>>33180876
>The finished ones have more AA & AAA than 1990s disintegrating Yugoslavia on them.

NATO pretty much had free reign over the skies of Yugoslavia.

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The US could, perhaps even covertly, cloud seed the area creating an artificial typhoon that could devastate thesee islands if not wipe them out completely.

They'll probably be destroyed naturally by sea rise anyway in just a few years.

>>33179913
>What exactly does China expect these to do?
Project military power throughout the China Sea.
That's it
They're not seriously arming for a fullscale war, they're trying to bully,the little guys around them and are playing the Cold War bluffing game, betting against America getting heavily involved in a destructive, low-benefit war.

Trump seems to be intent on counter-picking them by bolstering the Navy and Air Force, and moving more military focus to the Pacific.

>>33184479

Cloud seeding isn't real.

>>33184491
It is, it just isn't anywhere near as powerful as that anon imagines.

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>>33184352
When I visted kuwait there was a military base the iraqis took, then the americans bombed em out.

These things were like 12 feet of concrete with 10 feet of sand compacted underneat an 8 foot concrete outer shell. Every single one had a neat little crater in the top and a pile of twisted rebar and concrete filling the interior.

Precision air to ground muntions are to bunkers what cannons were to castles. I garuntee nowhere on those fabricated sand piles in the south china sea can be dug deep enough without hitting water to be useful against anything much more than low yield dumb munitions.

>>33184479
I love Red alert too mate.

>>33184505

That's what I mean.

You can put some crap into a cloud and it might poop out a bit of snow, but this idea that it's a real thing that you can actually do to control the weather is absurd. It's barely above kitchen table science project level at the moment.

>>33184486
>Trump seems to be intent on counter-picking them by bolstering the Navy and Air Force, and moving more military focus to the Pacific.

Bannon wants war with China.

>>33184491
That's just what they're making you think. Get your tin foil hat back on ASAP.

>>33184519
Funny story behind them too.

>france promises kuwaiti government to build 100% bomb proof aircraft hangars for like 20 million a pop
>finishes building just in time for saddam's army to take them
>americans show up to liberate kuwait
>turns out nobody bothered to tell the americans that they are 100% bomb proof
>every single 20 million dollar bunker gets a bunker buster through the roof (about 70 of em in total)
>not one of them witstands impact
>kuwaiti government tries to sue french contractors for false advertising
>france claims its not their fault
>kuwait cant decide whether to sue french for false advertising or accuse americans of using their bunkers for target practice
>america flips them the bird and points outh that they didnt destroy 1 single kuwati bunker, they destroyed 70 IRAQI bunkers
>kuwatis cannot tear them down or repair them because they are now evedence in the lawsuit

And so theyve sat there as is in the desert for 25 years like a giant middle finger from the USA.

>>33184328
>not a single comfy palm tree planted by the beach area

They really are subhuman.

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>>33184491
Sure it isn't

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>>33184519
Good old Ali Al Salem AB. We use those bunkers still just not for aircraft. At least we use the ones not too shrecked by us back then. Here say Kuwait is still in the process of sueing France who built them and claimed then to be indistructible.

>>33184552
Trump's been setting this escalation up since the earliest days of his campaign, talking about his pay-to-play policy for American military protection on foreign soil, which would naturally lead to a rising American presence in Pacific countries

>>33184997
Thats what the kuwatis told me too.

France looked at the saudis and iraqis and went "meh, theres nothing either of these sand monkeys got big enough AND accurate enough to breech this" and claimed they were indestructable.

Nobody counted on
A) The americans actually showing up
B) The americans posessing a new kind of bomb
C) The americans being huge enough dicks to use the "indestructible" bunkers for field testing.

Plus claiming something cant be broken cursed it from the get-go.

Every unsinkable ship has sank, every unpierceable armor has been pieced, every unstoppable weapon has been stopped.


And every indestructible kuwati bunker has been destroyed. I kinda wonder if maybe some airforce general didnt just go "indestructible? Oh REALLY?" Then order them destroyed out of pure spiteful dickishness.

The gulf war was pretty much just bush sr flexing his new military muscles to try and give the world the messege that we were not to be fucked with. After the carter years our military had been so cored out people in the global community were beginning to seriously raise questions about the possibility of an american collapse into a paper tiger similar to the soviet union.

So we blew up all the indestructible bunkers we could find and scorched an entire helpless fleeing army into carbonized sand on the highway of death to show the world we were still something to be feared.

Point is, in recent history people have a nasty habit of thinking theyve beaten the US only to have us show up in massive numbers with tech theyve never seen.

Its an almost universal mistake foreign countries have made over the last 100 years.
"oh, america? Pffft, total paper tiger, they'll NEVER show up here!" Has been the last words of many regimes. Even when we dont "win" we go home and leave wherever we were so cunt-blasted it takes a century to rebuild.

>>33183999
>thermo barics
it's one word knumbskull

>>33185372
>The gulf war was pretty much just bush sr flexing his new military muscles to try and give the world the message that we were not to be fucked with.

That's not entirely fair, although we did have combat practice against Soviet Air defense in Libya, even the Air Force was shocked at just how shit the Iraqi radars actually were. I also imagine that if Iraqi armor had FLIR and were used in defensible areas (who leaves entire armored divisions lying exposed in a flat desert?) they could have potentially fought back with actual resistance.

>>33185529
Saddam owed the US about 10 billion for military assistance in the iran/iraq war. What he (and the rest of the world) thought was that wed rattle our empty saber scabbard and he would "sell" kuwait back in exchange for forgiveness on a significant portion of his debts.

Nobody thought the balls out assault that followed would happen. They thought at most it would be a skirmish followed by discussions of terms.

At the time the USA was really hurting. Reagan had just finished rebuilding our military from the clusterfuck that was carter, but we really hadnt used it on any large scale.

People were starting to say that we had "vietnam syndrome" and that even if we had a good military nobody could ever effectivley mobilize it without comitting political suicide.

Bush Sr. Used it as an excuse to demonstrate to the world that we were still perfectly willing to go balls out.

After it was over a lot of global leaders who had been getting surly really had to clean out their underwear and reassess their diplomatic methods.

There were probably other factors too, but showing everyone we still had a big stick and were not interested in speaking softly anymore definiteley had a big part to play in the matter.

To get back on topic, china's economy is irreversibly tied to our own right now. The moment they start a war with us we will get to see them undergo a very impressive economic collapse. Because at the end of the day we can always just move our main source of cheap labor to india.

People focus too much on the guns and vehicles and not enough on the politics and economics of war.

>>33181170
>taiwan
I think you mean Chinese Taipei

>>33185678
CIDF pls go

>>33185655
>To get back on topic, china's economy is irreversibly tied to our own right now. The moment they start a war with us we will get to see them undergo a very impressive economic collapse. Because at the end of the day we can always just move our main source of cheap labor to india.
It really doesn't just work this way. It took decades to build China into what it is now and the internal knowledge and skill sets acquired during that transition don't just shift to India through osmosis. More importantly, it's still a parasitical, jewish reliance on outside labor that creates the problem in the first place.

You're also presupposing the position from the perspective of China starting the war. They have zero reason to be the one to shoot first. All they need to do is just wait until the US is so inexorably filled with foreigners that whatever the agenda of the country once was, it simply can't hold together anymore and the US becomes a non-expeditionary crime ridden shit hole like it's closest comparative country -- Brazil. If anyone is going to start the war, it's the US.

>>33185719
I think we will become a totalitarian state before that happens.

Plus people on here propose big land war invasions like nukes dont exist. It doesnt matter how bad things get, if somebody claiming to be the US government has even just a few ICBMs nobody can land on the north american continent without thier say-so.

If there is a big land war like ww2 ever again it will become nuclear very quickly.

I restate my opinion, WW3 is already being fought via proxies and economics.

>>33185678
>Chinese Taipei
I think you mean Formosa.

>>33185752
>nobody can land on the north american continent without thier say-so.
Why would China bother invading? They already own absolutely massive swaths of premium assets along the entirety of the North American Pacific coast. Like I said, they'll just wait for the US to become Nigeriazuela in about 10-15 years and that's a wrap. There's no level of a "totalitarian state" that can turn the US around. It is what it is and countries that are made up of the people who make up the US are, let's be honest, typical client states of China.

>>33185813
Italy, spain, and chile more importantly did it fast.

>>33185719
>the internal knowledge and skill sets acquired during that transition don't just shift to India through osmosis.
China quality injection molding is literally african-tier technology...

>>33185831
You're not serious comparing the racial situation 1920s-1930s Italy and Spain with that of the US, are you? There's a big difference between ethnic countryman of European stock dealing with communist civil war/unrest and a literal wholesale replacement of a population that has zero motivation or interest in even pretending to care about the legacy policies/aspirations of the previous. The US is just some fucking place to get on a plane to and earn money or a place to send their kids to school at a "brand name" university for status points. It's a leg-stretching territory for fabulously wealthy CCP loyalists to retire early to when they're tired of being cramped in Shenzen. Nobody coming to the US or being born to the foreign hordes already settled here gives a shit about whatever project the establishment is working on.

>>33185910
Why I said chile desu, it was fast without the euro aspect.

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>>33181587
I'm surprised they hven't planted small colonies on them even if just a few fishing boats & the fishermens families, maybe a coastguard ship & seaplane. Of course the fishermen would also supply bodies for a militia unit to man the airdefences and a coastguard cutter might just turn out to have heavier weapons than normal
>>33182458
Scottish clay

>>33185929
What about Chile? Virtually nothing Pinochet did held and he didn't do anything worthwhile anyway. Just another jew front man LARPing as a "fascist".

>>33185953
he did nothing besides making his economy the envy of south america?

>>33185971
If people in Chile were so pleased with his legacy and achievements, mind explaining why they are a firmly left-wing country that is fully open to Chinese workers who have been coming en mass?

>>33181613
I dunno about that you could shoot a pile of sand all day and by the end of the day you'd still have a pile of sand.

>>33181175
About tree fiddy apiece.

>>33186031
Same reason that makes every country into a decadent socialist shithole
Women vote leftist, government employees vote status quo, welfare recipients vote for their gibs

The west needs to learn that universal suffrage is not a good thing before we cease to exist

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>>33183932
>Indian_Ocean
>South China Sea

They're sorta close but not exactly the same location. If you're implying similar Earth quakes occurring, SCS is within the Ring of fire but that area is mostly typhoons

>>33184473
Haha, no. You might want to look into the effectiveness of NATO air interdiction, and don't forget that f117.

>>33185655
Ask me how I know you never took a real econ class.

>>33185835
Because you can't afford to shop outside of walmart.

>>33181622
Not even a nature-fag, but that kind of pisses me off immensely. I really, really hope those were all built upon dead coral, or that's just going to ruin my day.

>>33187688
You might want to check how little Yugo air defenses actually deterred NATO's campaign.

>>33183997
>>33184047

Which brings me to the point. During times of war, who'd WANT to occupy that island? Being stationed on one of these things seems like an automatic death sentence, aside from starving, freezing, drowning, severe depression and loneliness, you've also got to worry about the fact that any stray bomb or missile will kill you, on the spot, with no cover to hide in, or no place to run.

Being sent to one of these things would be an absolute hell-hole.

>>33185910
You know not EVERYTHING is about race right?

Dont turn into an equal but opposite to the feminazis who think EVERYTHING is patriarchy or the commies who think EVERYTHIBG is economics.

Race is a component of politics but you sound just as retarded as the previously mentioned morons when you try to make it fit into unrelated topics.

>>33179913
>China will grow larger.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPH9iKpM-fk

>>33181618
You sound like a eurocuck. 'but muh international laws and norms! you can't just do whatever you want!'

>>33188101
>chinks
>in charge of human decency
Pick one and only one

>>33189115
I would much rather be in charge of human decency than for chinks to exist.

>>33188101
They're chinese, they eat their own pet dogs. What do you think?

>>33179913
Isn't China propping up their economy by overbuilding? I thought I heard that they're just expanding their infrastructure in an effort to keep a billion people working and spending the money they make.

I imagine these are just another example of that pattern. It's like the end of a video game where you have all these resources and you just start using them because you'd rather use it than lose it.

>>33188369
No matter how much you try to rationalize to pretend what is happening is NOT happening, you won't be able to stop it. The US will never be able to create internal or external consensus again and the people who are inheriting the country do not care about the projects the people currently running the country have set up.

I don't know what to tell you if you don't see it for what it is. It's the end result of choosing cheap labor and a third world influx. The US will simply continue to deteriorate as its purchased piece by piece by nations like China. The undying loyalty to capitalism demands it as the money powers in the US will cede as much as they have to in order to keep their own foreign holdings.

>>33181170
>Fiery Cross Reef
Is this the KKK's way of endorsing China? Will China disavow???

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ITT,
Burgers thinking that their forces can defeat everything.
Cant wait till you get hammered. Its coming.
Trump will see to it.

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>drop a dozen bunker busters
>detonation occurs in 20 second intervals
>wave action and seismic shaking

What island?

I'd feel sorry for the Chinese walking on sand when that happened. They'd get sucked in like quicksand probably

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>Indestructible

Arabs sure are gullible, those look like a MBT could punch a hole through them with their 120 / 125mm cannons.

You can design bunkers that can give the "Bunker Busters" the middle finger.. but they don't look anything like that.

>>33185936
A territorial claim is meaningless if you can't enforce it, and no one is scared of a shipping boat. You have to have a large enough military presence to keep foreign ships scared enough to stay away.

>>33191442
fishing boat*

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>>33184520

Underrated post

>>33184601
>Kuwait, the eternal victim

>>33189382
Always a faggot in a Chinese thread going on about MUH USA COLLAPSE BECAUSE OF NIGGERS AND BEANERS

>>33191979
And there's always a butthurt nigger or beaner who can't handle the truth.

>>33191285
Not even a burger but all armies of the world combined wouldn't be able to beat them. At least as things stand now.

>>33179913
>cruise missiles

If they have CIWS then Tomahawks eat shit. They are WAY too slow to make it by any sort of air defence China might deploy.

They are fine for bombing 3rd world militias and military groups but Tomahawks aren't remotely fast enough to get by any grade of CIWS from this side of 1970.

Those islands will get fucked by air power. But they'll be enough of a scape goat for China to deploy their naval assets to make the US pay for it. Since that's their entire plan. Aggressive/passive expansion into their own waters and focus entirely on defence with a potential side of force projection to protect overseas interest.

>>33184491
t. HAARP

>>33185835

Only because the US is willing to pay for it en masse and absorb the costs of shitty workmanship because its 1/10th the price of a US equivalent.

It's the same as the Chinese steel mills.

Stanton Steel Works in the UK had a testing facility left open after the French transferred all their forges and production to bumfuck China. It was cheaper for them to produce 10x the yields in China and bring them to Britain to be tested by the facility and manage to pass 1 or 2 of them onto their buyers. The other 8 got shipped back and melted down to be used again in the molding.

It's capitalism at its finest and most evil. The US has the exact same problems after the 60-80s steel boom since it's cheaper to bring a container of steel piping from half way round the planet and have a guy spend a year testing it than it takes to produce 4-5 workable units in a modern nation.

>>33189079
except those international norms are literally an agreed upon policy that is meant to keep bullshit from happening.

International law works both ways in the since that most international law has a big injection of US or EU policy inserted. It's a low-key way to make our diplomacy and policy binding while (ideally) keeping the nuclear powers from going balls-out.

>>33185719
yes... and no. China's export manufacture base really didnt exist at the consumer level until around the time they joined the WTO. Before that their econ gains were largely internal developments and internal goods. It isnt as easy as some anons think of course, but it COULD be done given a decade and the right nation.

>>33184151
the basic strategy is:
>fight until conventional balance shifts
>loser goes nuclear
>negotiations, or full steam ahead on the nuclear war train.

Given the US dominance in the nuke department, it isnt really worth it to China to try to go nuclear if they feel a negotiated armistice or treaty can be worked out instead. It's dumb for them to go nuclear over conventional fighting, whereas the US could quite feasibly "win" this nuclear scenario with (comparatively) little loss.

Always remember: while the average person thinks the world would end after a nuclear war and be Walking Dead-tier, the DoD had every intention to keep on going, and had many studies done on resources, command, and control. And that was for a full 1970's USSR nuclear assault, which China's arsenal pales in comparison to.

>>33185678
>t. east kazakhstan

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>>33192364
http://www.popsci.com/south-china-sea-arsenal-what-are-chinese-weapons-deployed-on-disputed-islands


Tomahawk cruise missiles ain't touching these islands.

And that's just the mobile assets. Doesn't even list the weapons mounted onto the hexagon concrete towers (modern mini-Flakturms).

>>33182458
Fun Fact. An ocean liner hit that rock and sank killing almost everyone

>>33184479
Both China and the US are signatory parties to ENMOD, which explicitly prohibits cloud seeding in a military context.
Unless you believe the US can handle the ensuing possible diplomatic fallout during a war with China, then cloud seeding is not an option.

>>33194506
It would seem you have a fundamental misunderstanding as to the capabilities of the Tomahawk.

5 craters in airstrip, 1 bomb on the cement plant

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>>33184519
Bunkers like this are useless against an enemy who has enough PGMs and air dominance to leisurely loiter above your airbase and directly hit each bunker with a bunker buster

Most airforces in the world don't have very many PGMs, and they're not as good as the USAF in general. So they don't have the ability to completely wipe away all air defenses and truck tons of PGMs in and kill the bunkers one by one.

Usually all they can afford and execute is a high speed attack w/a limited number of munitions from aircraft, often those are dumb bombs or cluster munitions. Bunkers will defeat that threat. Bunkers force the enemy to increase the size of the strike package and the time on target, face all the attendant logistical/SEAD problems that go with that.

Also they are good for preventing your shit from getting killed by tactical ballistic missiles.

>>33196662
Even if you got PGM's, if the bunkers aren't easily visible from the sky like these Iraqi desert bunkers, then you don't know where to shoot them

>>33190277
>You can't buy happiness

You can, but it has to go through an FFL first.

>>33196780
>if the bunkers aren't easily visible from the sky
wat

>glorified reef in middle of the ocean under constant observation
>hidden bunkers
Lay off the melamine.

>>33179913
I'm seeing idiots posting things like "Tomahawks won't get close, muh CWIS, etc"

Basically what would happen is B-1's from Guam would take off loaded with MALDs and JASSMs

MALDs would launch disguised as whatever the fuck uncle sam wants, chink radar picks them up and starts firing sams off into the wild blue yonder

Meanwhile B-1's and whatever the hell else the USAF and USN decide to fly start shitting JASSM's

JASSM's aren't detected until they reach the terminal stage or shortly before depending on how powerful the radar is on the island

Maybe they knock out a few JASSM's with remaining SAMs and CIWS, but it won't matter because they'll be lobbing enough to make sure the island looks like the moon's surface

>>33196839
If they covered the whole island with tarps, where are you going to bomb?

>>33184519
Is that shit even reenforced? Who the fuck just pours straight up concrete?!