Japanese during WWII >send wave after wave of soldiers to

You seem to have the Russians and Nippon mixed op.

>>33160125

Is your entire understanding of Japan in WW2 based on comic books and video games?

Read the War Nerd on Japan vs. Russia in WWII:

http://exiledonline.com/war-nerd-russias-other-great-victory/all/1/

>>33160125
This is what happens when you still listen to a monarchy in the modern age.

Hirohito was a fucking moron who had no business telling anyone what to do, let alone the countless people he sent to their deaths.

>>33160219
>This is what happens when you still listen to a monarchy in the modern age.

As opposed to...?

And if you think Hirohito was the one actually issuing orders to the IJA, it's you who has a comic book understanding of history.

>>33160160
He's describing the Japanese approach to ground combat pretty much everywhere in the Pacific except Okinawa and Iwo Jima

>>33160219
>This is what happens when you still listen to a monarchy in the modern age.

Hirohito was mostly a figurehead. It was a military clique that ran the country and called the shots.

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>>33160125
That was end stage Japan. When Japan went from "rape 8 year old chinese and dutch girls" to "BANZIAAAAA FOR THE EMPEROR".

Honestly, Japan was well organized at the start. They could beat back the Russians and Chinese (neither of which are a bragging right, given how those countries were either sparsely populated or heavily underdeveloped) and made significant land grabs against their weaker neighbors. So much to the point of defeating the Brits around Hong Kong and taking the offensive to India.

However, they lacked major war resources like oil and steel to fund these expansions. So when they attacked US thinking they're some easy push over, they got their shit handed to them.

The only reason we nuked Japan was because we really didn't feel like losing a million more boys just to fight tooth and claw for an already decimated country.

Not defending Japan however, they deserved the nuking and naping they got.

>>33160286

The ground combat - yes. That it was unsuccessful - no. Japan had a lot of victories before things fell apart in the Pacific. Ask the British guys. Or the Chinese.

Worst country I think was Italy

>>33160380

Their victories instantly stopped once they starting fighting organized soldiers and not Chinese/Indian peasants pulled off the farms and handed a rifle with basically no training.

The fucking Australians beat the Japanese on the ground, and the Aussies had basically nothing in the way of heavy equipment.

>>33160388
Yeah, what the fuck was Italy doing back then?

>>33160416

Ah. You mean like at the heroic battle for Singapore where Australian forces showed the Japanese who was best?

>>33160475
A rare flash of brilliance in an otherwise incompetent army

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>>33160457
You don't understand Italy.

They like to switch sides.

>>33160541

Not the only one. There's Papa New Guinea, and Java. But these are just among those where the nips met the aussies.

I'm no fan of the imperials. But if they had been mindless zergs they'd never have been able to reach and hold that much territory for that long.

>>33160362
This is such a retarded post. Let's pick out some highlights.

>They could beat back the Russian
They were utterly crushed in their border war against the Soviets.

>and Chinese
Beat "back" the Chinese?

>So much to the point of defeating the Brits around Hong Kong
Britain did not defend Hong Kong.

>taking the offensive to India.
They made a small incursion and was crushed by a mostly Indian force.

>However, they lacked major war resources like oil and steel to fund these expansions. So when they attacked US thinking they're some easy push over, they got their shit handed to them.
And here you imply that Japan made those expansions before attacking the US.

I almost want you to post more just to see how stupid can a person be.

>>33160542
Italy didn't switch sides in WWI, they entered on the side of the Entente and stayed there all war.

>>33160125
Japan had the best WWI during WWII.

No semi-automatic rifle, no SMGs to speak off, weird hopper-fed instead of belt-fed MGs, their heavy MG was basically a Hotchkiss in 7.7, only light tanks, no heavy bomber, bad fire-control systems, radar (?), no man-portable anti-tank weapon with exception of antiquated anti-tank rifles...

Then they had the problem that their supply line were gigantic and while Japan is a country with decent population, it's nothing compared to China, plus USA, plus Soviet Union.

>>33160677
>no SMGs to speak off
What about the type 100?

>>33160709
not him but it was rarely issued unlike the other countries

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>>33160125
That is certainly a gross oversimplification.

>>33160643
>Tfw after they entered WWI, the guy in charge of the Italian military spent like two weeks planning his war against France before somebody told him that they were actually allies with France

>>33160709
They issued so few of them that it practically didn't exist in combat

>>33160722
Good to know tbqh

Japan shouldn't have attacked Pearl Harbor, that was their mistake. They should have just sealed off their borders and teched up. Then after America was done fighting Germany they would have had to face a vastly more technologically capable opponent and Japan could have won.

>>33160769
>Japan
>Win the Pacific War
So you expect Japan do declare war on the United States in 1945? A country which can still out-produce them, still has better technology, and has the A-Bomb.

>>33160769
How they fuck they would "Teched up" if they had no fucking natural resources

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>>33160885
Scrap Hotel Yamato?

>>33160769
no, they couldnt, because even if they teched up they'd STILL be contending with

A- the USN, which wasnt appreciably wounded by the Nazis or Italians, and which by then would have a lot better grasp of dogfighting and bomber escort (something we struggled with in the early Pacific)
B- we would have had the atom bomb by late 45 anyway
C- the British/Commonwealth Navy
D- quite possibly the USSR in at least Manchuria and likely China as well.

Japan fighting AT ALL was an act of national suicide.

>>33160709
A shitty SMG (just look at it, it screams: Kill Me!), chambered in anemic 8mm Nambu, and very limited distribution. It was light years away from a MP38/40, PPSh-41, M1 or M3.

>>33160942
tl;dr even if Japan waited till 45 they'd be fighting an enemy that made its own technical advancements and had ironed out a lot of its early operational failures that were integral to its early struggles.

>>33160957
tl;dr Japan should have attacked earlier

>>33160769
>Japan shouldn't have attacked Pearl Harbor, that was their mistake.

December 1941 was the only moment of relative parity of carrier forces, with Shokaku and Zuikaku joining the fleet in the fall of 1941. 1941-2 is the only time that Japan could ever have hoped to defeat the US Navy, and a surprise attack is just about the only way to tilt the odds in their favor.

>>33160769
>Japan could've won the Pacific war if they'd just fast-teched to tier 3 and got mass Frost Wyrms
Really makes ya think.

>>33160971
you mean when they were in a WORSE position?

>>33160926
Is the Yamato supposed to look like a katana

>>33160975
but m-m-uh Yamato

>>33160856
>>33160885
>>33160942
>>33160957
No because the US was spending its economy on war materials and Japan would have been spending theirs all on technology, so they would have been able to increase their tech level much faster and by the time the US was trying to focus on tech again it would be too late for them, Japan would be basically a whole tier ahead of them. This is obvious to anyone with a basic grasp of gaming theory.

>>33161095
Can't tell if this is bait or not.
You can't just put points into "tech level" and have it increase like a fucking video game. It takes research, innovation and invention. And materials the Japs just didnt have.

>>33160219
You should probably just stop posting and go take a history class or something. Hirohito was mainly just a figurehead and a rubber stamp, the IJA was being run by a radical faction headed by Tojo and other Kwantung Army members who basically seized power using the Mukden incident and subsequent invasion of Manchuria.

>>33161137
It's a joke ya dolt.

>>33161137
If you focus your national resources on tech your tech will improve. If you are spending it all on your military you won't be able to improve your economy or your tech. Japan could have had all those soldiers and sailors working to improve their tech instead, so that when it was time to go to war they had better tech than their opponents instead of using units that were outclassed.

>>33161095
Real life isn't Civ V

>>33161317
The Germans were improving their tech even as late as 1944 and that didn't stop them from being zerg rushed by Vlad and pals armeed with shitty nuggets. The problem is you're conflating Imperial Japan, which was technologically inferior by decades than both its allies and adversaries (barring China), with the post-war Japan, which was given the technologies it produces today by the United States in an effort to revitalize its economy. The fact is that the U.S. would have steamrolled Japan by that point, considered we had the Atomic Bomb, Operation Paperclip which snagged a whole slew of German Scientists and their various projects, captured german tech to reverse engineer such as the STG-44, and a well-developed industrial base that Japan was never able to match for the entirety of the whole war.

>>33161498
>zerg rushed by Vlad
How to spot someone whose knowledge of WW2 comes from video games.

>>33161588
>Implying the russians didn't zerg rush

>>33161606
>using meme arrows and repeating my dumb claim makes me right

go read books

>>33161417
Lies

Ghandi advocated for genocide and was an asshole in person

>>33161588
That's a bit ironic considering your idea of "teching up". And while the USSR didn't quite straight up zerg rush, they did make use of their numerical advantage and were far more likely to accept heavy losses in exchange for victory. There was no way the USSR could have won without a significant numbers advantage.

>>33161498
By the end of world war two, aside from working on rockets, the Germans didn't have anything the allies needed.

>>33161749
Zerg rush means swarming your enemy with numbers in uncoordinated manner.
To say Red Army zerg rushed Germans is to totally ignore their highly complex operations involving millions of men across hundreds of kilometers in width and depth.
Furthermore numerical superiority is not a default in warfare, even if you have bigger recruiting pool. It takes a lot to deploy troops effectively.
But in this case, you're wrong on that account too. Germans and allies outnumbered USSR without Ukraine and Belarus.
Something like 5.2 million Axis died in combat, and 7 million Soviets. IN COMBAT.
Zerg rush is just a meme used by people who don't know much about EF.
EF was a colossal complex conflict and Soviets won because they fought better. That's that.
Post-war memes and myths spouted by buttdevastated German generals and supported for propaganda reasons are not reality.

>>33161588
It's a perfectly adequate response to someone who thinks real life is a video game.

>>33160125
>Was Japan the worst country during WWII?

Well, Italy exists. So I'd say second worst.

>>33160125
Totally off-topic, but what's pic related? Cause it makes my peepee feel funny

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I'm with the guy saying that Japan needed to tech up... they were always behind in research and if they diverted everything to reearch they could have researched the A-bomb first, then built up naval units

Japan fucked pearl harbour hard.

There was the entire reserve of naval fuel oil right next to the harbour and the Jap higher ups specifically refused to bomb it. This would have been easy as fuck to do and probably delayed the entire American war effort by 2 years.

It's all about logistics.

>>33162290
IIRC it's a fucked-up Saiga 12 used in a couple sci-fi TV shows

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>>33162363
Well real life isn't Hearts of Iron, Japan probably didn't know about the Bomb until it wiped out two of their major cities. If anything they should have modernized their fleet.

Japan spent a lot of resources on research. But they didn't spend them wisely. It's what you get when the elite think they truly are the elite and can decide what to work on themselves. That's the way you end up a thousand little two-doctor laboratories, which each get funding because they have an uncle in a department in Kyoto and work with some extremely narrow area so they can make a paper on it. By comparison the top down control of American research held the whip so when a breakthrough was done in one project they could immediately terminate all the other projects working to a similar end. Case in point - the A-bomb.

>>33163033
Ehh, I'm willing to bet that the intelligence community at least knew something was up if not the exact nature of the manhattan project. Remember, it was the single largest public works project ever, and Stalin knew about the development as it progressed despite nobody in the US telling him.

>>33162514
>This would have been easy as fuck to do and probably delayed the entire American war effort by 2 years.
Care to provide some facts to back these assertions up?
Or just don't even bother. I stopped finding enjoyment in watching morons flail around in embarrassment.

>>33162514
>and the Jap higher ups specifically refused to bomb it.
What the fuck, why?

>>33162290
>>33162523
That's Veira (some spelling variation exists) from the cancelled-in-less-than-a-season show Firefly

>>33163207
Don't have any sources handy, but I'll vouch for him. The entire Japanese pacific war plan involved the rapid attrition of the US navy befor B8ing them into a decisive, night action (they called it "Kantai Kessen", or "decisive battle" doctrine if you want to read up on it more" where both sides would bro down, and Japan would prevail due to both Japanese shipbuilding and training being very focused on that usecase. Trick is, for "Tsushima 2.0" to occur, the US actually needs gas for it's ships, so they deliberately left Pearl's fuel depot untouched.

>>33163570
>>33163209
should have (you)'d this anon as well.

>>33160125

no, that would go to China. Hence why Mao took over afterwards.

>>33163209

Literally because they thought that their attack alone would "strike terror into the hearts of every American piggu" and that no one in their right minds would ever retaliate against a country led by a god made flesh.

>>33163570
>Tsushima 2.0
For that to work, you should probably eliminate some of the things that will prevent that, *cough* Carriers *Cough*

>>33163881
I never said it was a good plan, just that it was the plan. Plus, remember, we're talking 1930s tech here: the launching and recovering of carrier aircraft at night wasn't a thing that was possible.

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>>33163905
Of course, Japanese technology and doctrine was behind until the war had just about ended. They kept trying to send a fleet of battleships to take care of business when the Americans just sat back and bombed the shit out of everything that moved.

>>33163952
Won't argue with that. The class 1 dumpster fire that was Japanese military planning 1905-1945 is a subject that deserves a book of it's own.

>>33160125
Ayy it's Vera

>>33163033
>Japan probably didn't know about the Bomb until it wiped out two of their major cities

The Japanese, like the Germans, knew that the bomb was possible but they did not devote enough resources to actually building one.

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>>33163207

Literally less than a minute in Google...

"Yamamoto's plan called for a third wave to destroy the repair facilities as well as the storage tanks containing 4.5 million gallons of fuel oil. But despite losing only twenty‐nine planes, Nagumo feared a counterattack and turned for home."

http://www.encyclopedia.com/places/united-states-and-canada/miscellaneous-us-geography/pearl-harbor

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>>33160613
Is this bait, or are you legitimately this fucking retarded that you couldn't spend at least 2 minutes looking up WW2 history as well as any before that.

>They were utterly crushed in their border war against the Soviets.

During 1945, when they were already obliterated by America for being insufferable cunts. Before that, the Japanese rekt the Russian empire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Japanese_War

>Britain did not defend Hong Kong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hong_Kong

>Beat "back" the Chinese?
Expand into the their entire coastline during WW2. What, was the Battle of Shanghai and Rape of Nanking something unknown to you? Oh that's right, you're a fucking moron.

>And here you imply that Japan made those expansions before attacking the US.
See pic related as well as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_of_Japan#Late_Sh.C5.8Dwa_.281931.E2.80.931945.29_.E2.80.93_expansionism_and_war. Also, the attack on Pearl Harbor occurred on December 7th, 1941. This is way after they expanded.

>I almost want you to post more just to see how stupid can a person be.

I almost want you to post more just to see how stupid someone accusing others of being stupid with no backing can be.

>inb4 lolololol just pretending to be retarded

>>33163177
That was only because one of the scientists in the project was a spy.

>>33160125
The Battles they did this they were typically fucked anyways (cut off on islands) and they knew it. In China and in southeast asia where retreat was possible the IJA didnt really do this tactic. They would retreat under losing conditions like any other army.

>>33164162
>you couldn't spend at least 2 minutes looking up WW2 history as well as any before that.
Look who's talking.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Khalkhin_Gol

>>33160475
https://books.google.com.au/books/about/The_Men_Who_Came_Out_of_the_Ground.html?id=B9DU0deQm9wC&redir_esc=y
check this book out, a story of a company of aussies, the 2/2 IC who waged guerrilla warfare for 9-10 months half of that without contact with HQ in PNG or mainland australia, cobbled a radio together out of fucking nothing, tied up 2 jap divisions and inflicted 800 casualties for the cost of 8 men killed in combat.

tfw you'll never get to be an aussie guerilla fighting for your country.

>>33160125
>>>33164162
>>you couldn't spend at least 2 minutes looking up WW2 history as well as any before that.
>Look who's talking.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Khalkhin_Gol

He has a point. You are comparing the WWII Russia to a pre WWI Russia. Almost 40 years apart. Before the Soviet Japanese non aggression pact the Soviets had some victories against the Japanese before both sides realized a war with each other would draw focus from more important enemies.

>>33164131
Who thought writing in all caps was going to help drive their point across? I think it really doesn't matter. The nuclear bombings (and firebombings) may have been justified, but can we not just agree that it was a terrible thing to have to do regardless?

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>>33164354
>Look who's talking.
>They were utterly crushed in their border war against the Soviets.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Khalkhin_Gol

I didn't know "maintaining status quo" was considered "utterly curshed".

>>33164608
Fair enough, using a date that was before all the reforms within Russia was probably not appropriate. However, my point still stands that the Japanese army was formidable force until they picked a fight with USA.