Japanese >Its better to die for your country than to surrender!

>>33150841
translation: I like sending units to their deaths instead of deploying them efficiently where I can win or at the very least not be bent over the barrel while negotiating surrender terms.

>>33150841
>implying I'm not the most important person I know

>>33150841
Nice projection.

Japanese
>lost

Westerners
>won

>>33150841
Oh don't cut yourself on that edge there

>>33150841
t. assmad weeb

go neck yourself gaijin

>>33150841
>What is the Resistance
>what is losing the battle but winning the war
>what are Fat Man and Little Boy

That's literally the dumbest thing you can do. Especially considering the Japanese also applied this to "never retreat, ever."

They literally had hundreds of soldiers just waste their lives by killing themselves instead of actually fighting. They elected to go on retarded suicide runs that would certainly not result in a single enemy casualty instead of falling back, regrouping, and continuing the fight.

It's one of the stupidest mentalities you can have in a war. And even if you win with it, your country's entire military-aged male population is now decimated and your economy will likely be in ruins as a result. I mean shit, Germany lost millions of men during WWII. If it weren't for the millions+ that were returned after the War (and into the 1950s by the Russians) their country would probably be run entirely by women.

>>33150841
Lol it's okay push your men to pointless death.
Oh shit we're almost out of men with no way to get more, how did this happen?

>>33150897
>t.
What does this mean? I've been seeing it a lot in recent weeks, but I can't really discern the context. Hard to look up too since "T" is such a general term.

>>33150841
>dying for your country and not for your countrymen
cucked

>>33151046
It's an abreviation for "taking it up the ass".

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>>33150841

Yeah, nah.

>>33151046
>t. hasn't tried looking it up

>>33151046
It's a Finnish meme. In Finland you often end a letter with "t." It is in Finnish as "Sincerely," is in English.

>>33150841
The object of war isn't to die

didn't that "would you fight for your country" survey have japan at like 11%? lmao

>>33150841
western civilization fought wars on such a regular basis that they ended up semi-ritualized it with rules and stuff.

>>33152590
Nationalism is BAD. Oy vey, at least the Germans learned their lesson! Look how well they're developing!
https://youtu.be/HMQkV5cTuoY

>>33150936
And now it's run by the offspring of cowards.

>>33150841

And who got the first crash course in nuclear power?

>>33152637
HOW do Germans watch this and not feel shame?

>>33152660

>wah wah wah everyone in the generation is cowards our ancestors are frowning upon us from valhalla tfw you will never die in battle guise what song is playing during ur last stand? mines boltcaster by Boltcaster

>>33152730
>not an argument

>>33152750
i never said it was an argument you little shit, im BULLYING you.

>>33152767
I'm telling

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>being a brainwashed bootlicking slave

I bet you're religious too

The Japanese were also subhuman animals who murdered the wounded and tortured prisoners for no reason.

Never making tactical retreats and wasting men with suicide is also militarily stupid.

>>33152671
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>>33152841
>The Japanese were also subhuman animals who murdered the wounded and tortured prisoners for no reason.

yeah, only japan did that.

>>33152886
When we are talking about them and the people they faced? Yes they were, the Americans and Brits did nothing even remotely comparable.

>>33152919
dresden

hiroshima

nagasaki

irish potato famine

subjugation of india

>>33151090
terveisin is more like "with regards"

>>33150841
wars are won by making the other dumb bastard die for his country.

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>>33152708
When you know who made this and why it's very funny to watch this as a Bio-Kraut

>>33152933
Bombing a legitimate military target with a big bomb to save several million lives is not the same as raping civilians en masse and torturing PoW's.

And really? Going back 100+ years before WW2? You are either immoral or retarded to even try to put the allies on the same low level as Japan.

>>33150917
>resistance........ Are you serious? Out of all the acual ones you could have picked, you take the cheese eating surrender monkeys that were too busy fighting each other? Instead of the poles, the soviet partisans, the jugoslavian partisans or the god damn fins?

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>>33152808

>>33153149
>Actually being religious when you have access to the internet and tons of knowledge

Hopelessly stupid human being. Please don't reproduce.

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>>33152767
>im BULLYING you.

oh shit nigger

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>>33153160
>receives guidance from the internet
I can't wait to cull you so a more intelligent person can eat the food you waste.

>>33153227
>Having a vast searchable database of knowledge historical and otherwise
>Stupid if you use it

Dumb inbred prick

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>>33153241
>allows a collective to shape his beliefs
>gets butthurt when someone deviates from his way of thinking
You sound like a communist.

>>33153271
> A collective forming your beliefs

That's religion fuck tard. Religion is collectivism.

Holy shit are you 12 years old?

>>33150841
Japan: If at first you don't succeed, kill yourself so it doesn't happen again.

>>33153278
You have allowed the internet to become your religion, asshat. Your mind has been rotted by the suggestion of the faceless masses instead of following your own convictions.

>>33153299
The internet is a means to obtain information not a religion.

How do you even develop convictions if you don't have information and knowledge? As a religious fag basing your convictions off of baseless nonsense like the Bible may be okay for you but not for me.

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>>33153312
>How do you even develop convictions if you don't have information and knowledge?
>implying I don't
I make informed decisions viewed through the exalted lens of Muhammad's teachings.

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>>33150841

Japanese

>Its better to die for your corrupt military government that lead you into a disastrous war than to surrender!

Fun Fact: The Japanese military hierarchy attempted a coup against the emperor following the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki because they would rather see their country commit collective suicide in nuclear fire rather than be executed as the cowardly war criminals that they were.

>>33153340
Ah b8 I see.

>Losing so hard you revert to "I was merely pretending"

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>>33153357
I don't need to sully myself by engaging in conversation with unenlightended burgers anyway.

May Allah take you.

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>>33153312
Fuck you man jesus was cool.

>>33150841
Japanese
>Lose Wars and get nuk'd

>>33153139
>resistance only means the french

I know you're baiting and everything, but this shit's just weak
apply yourself next time

>>33153350
To add to your valid point, we must understand the Imperial Jap culture. The Japs have no tradition of mercy to defeated enemies, hence the cruel treatment of POWs. Therefore, they expect to be treated the same if they are captured by the Allies. Many captured Japs expressed astonishment when they were treated decently by the Allies.

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>>33150841
"The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his." - George S. Patton

Remind me who won that war again?

>>33153609
The jews

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>>33150841

Japanese
>Its better to massacre millions of chinese people, rape babies, and execute prisoners!

Westerners
>...wut?

>>33151090
t. Guy who thought it just meant talking

>>33153633
>Nanjing
>real
GOOK LIE

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>>33153648
JAPAN NOT DO WARCRIMES!
NOTHING BUT GOOK RIES!

>>33153599
Incorrect, contemporary POW accounts during the Russo-Japanese War and WWI put the Japanese as treating POWs no different than other nations. What changed was the rise of the military junta and the idealization of warriors within cultural consciousness.

>>33153679

Russia is hardly an expert on the humane treatment of prisoners.

>>33152555

The over arching theme of war is to not die

>>33153136

The closest thing I can think of that the US did that was even remotely comparable were the Japanese internment camps. Even then, it wasn't even close to atrocities the japanese committed.

>>33153648
along with all the white people who lived their at the time too right?

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>>33153825

NIPPON DO NOTHING WRONG!

>>33152637
It hurts

>>33150841
While it's true that the Japanese actions were the most malevolent in nature and scale its also true that Russia, Germany, and America committed their own sorts of atrocities. Russia with the rape of berlin, Germany with the lolocaust, and america with their rampant firebombing of japanese population centers. the main difference being that everybody but the americans actions were largely revenge/ethnically motivated.

>>33153888

Every major nation dropped bombs on cities.
Because that's where the factories are.

>>33153919
actually bombing missions against factories usually used HE, occurred during daylight to ensure good hits on the factory using period bomb sights, and were rather targeted in nature but not nearly so well as they are today. What we did in japan was different. We intentionally carpet bombed city after city with incendiary devices to create firestorms. it was a form of psychological warfare aimed directly at the people of japan. Civilian casualties were massive, raids usually occurred in the dead of night, and no attempt was made to take out targets of military value. these days that would technically be considered a war crime, but drastic times and all that

>>33154024
Forgot to mention this was definitely planned out and occurred much more in japan than any western enemies of the US, japanese construction was almost entirely wooden at the time and we chose our weapons accordingly.

>>33154024

>actually bombing missions against factories usually used HE,
So?

>occurred during daylight to ensure good hits on the factory using period bomb sights,
Do you think that we didn't?

>and were rather targeted in nature but not nearly so well as they are today.

>What we did in japan was different.
You just described 3 things we did to Japan.

>We intentionally carpet bombed city after city with incendiary devices to create firestorms. it was a form of psychological warfare aimed directly at the people of japan. Civilian casualties were massive, raids usually occurred in the dead of night, and no attempt was made to take out targets of military value. these days that would technically be considered a war crime, but drastic times and all that
Source this.

>>33154024

>these days that would technically be considered a war crime, but drastic times and all that

Well in those days, there was no international treaty or convention that protected civilians from air raids.
So none of this is a good argument.

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>>33152886
>>33152933

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rabe

>behaving with such barbarity that you disgust an avowed member of the Nazi party

>>33154281
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_raids_on_Japan#Firebombing_attacks
http://apjjf.org/-Mark-Selden/2414/article.html

1. Massive civillian casualties- Urban areas were afforded the second highest priority level of targets behind only airplane manufacturers. much production was carried out by the japanese at small shops and at home as opposed to centralized locations.

"in the wake of successive failures to eliminate such key strategic targets as Japan’s Nakajima Aircraft Factory west of Tokyo, the area bombing of Japanese cities was approved. "

"The full fury of firebombing and napalm was unleashed on the night of March 9-10, 1945 when LeMay sent 334 B-29s low over Tokyo from the Marianas. Their mission was to reduce the city to rubble, kill its citizens, and instill terror in the survivors"

"The attack on an area that the US Strategic Bombing Survey estimated to be 84.7 percent residential succeeded beyond the wildest dreams of air force planners. Whipped by fierce winds, flames detonated by the bombs leaped across a fifteen square mile area of Tokyo generating immense firestorms that engulfed and killed scores of thousands of residents."

casualty estimates fro the total campaign range from 240,000 to 900,00. the most commonly cited number is 333,000.

2.change in tactics relative to other bombing campaigns.

"The decision to use firebombing tactics represented a move away from the USAAF's previous focus on precision bombing, and was believed by senior officials in the military and US Government to be justified by the need to rapidly bring the war to an end."

"LeMay ordered the B-29s to fly at the low altitude of 5,000 feet (1,500 m) and bomb by night; this represented a significant change from the Command's standard tactics, which focused on high-altitude daylight bombing."

3. military value- answered previously, civvies were considered targets of value due to decentralized production and inefficiency of precision tactics.

>>33155430
4. criminality- as of 1923, the Hague defined indiscriminate aerial bombardment of civilian population centers to be a war crime, not sure if america was a party to this at the time of ww2 or not, but OTOH the concept of universality was used pretty extensively after ww2 to prosecute the germans and japs of warcrimes. we specifically dindnt bring charges relating to indiscriminate bombing however, as we had done so to an even larger extent or at least more effectively than the axis had.

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>>33155430
>Use human shields
>Make your civilian population centers legitimate military targets
>Dehumanize yourself by butchering children and prisoners
>Make it clear that so long as a single one of your countrymen breathes the fight and atrocities shall continue
>Cry foul when you get bombed

We should have murdered every single person on the Japanese islands and wiped their culture from the planet.

>>33155430
>civvies were considered targets of value due to decentralized production and inefficiency of precision tactics.

So what's the problem?

>>33155724
>>33155649
you seem to mistakenly think im taking some sort of moralistic stance relative to our actions as opposed to merely pointing out that everybody committed atrocities. I even said in my first post that we weren't motivated by revenge/ethnicity like others.

>>33153271
Honestly I'd trust an opinion I found in a forum on the internet more than I would trust the opinion of the average dude I know in real life, because on the internet people much more reliably call bullshit and voice opposing opinions than in real life.

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Sure is spooky in here

Japanese
>known for tentacle porn

Westerners
>known for ruling the world

>>33150841
>bait but
so what was the result? weebshit

>>33155883

Bombing civilians wasn't outlawed until the fourth Geneva convention in 1949, bud.

>>33152637

Yea, anyone that thinks Israel should exist is a piece of shit nationalist!!

>>33155944
Hahahahahahahahahah, fuck no. The more you realize that "facts" you read online are typically bullshit the quicker you'll stop letting other people form your thoughts

>>33153523
La resistance is quite clearly just the french. Is clearly not the armia krajova. Its not the patrisans. Hang on, i guess thats the language barrier. You just call anything resistance. I do hate english and its roughness sometimes.