Hey /k/ First time gun owner. I need a) a pistol with solid

>>33120341
Hi-point and hi-point carbine.
Anything better is about $600 for a well-maintained rifle and at least $700 for a handgun that isn't complete shit.
If you desperately need a gun, I would recommend whatever handgun your LGS is willing to give you for what you have.
Most sub-thousand dollar 1911s are unreliable garbage, glocks below a thousand bucks will probably explode on you, and revolvers are universaly throwaway guns that have been used in about a billion and one murders.
Look for a ruger or similar, inspect before you buy, and don't expect much.

If you aren't recieving anonymous death threats, put whatever you have into a good cleaning kit and some WD40, then see if there is anything that really interests you available for what you have left.
Leverguns are generally pretty good, but avoid newer marlins, don't buy an arisaka under any circumstances, any AR for less than $700 isn't worth it, WASRs are for human garbage, be sure to inspect the action and bore of anything before you pay for it, and .22 anything is a fucking meme.
Happy hunting.

>>33120341
Tarus m85

Ar 15.

tax might get you but you can build an ar for around 550, and the g2 can be found used for around 250 at pawn shops.

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Used Glock 9mm and a poorfag PSA/Ruger/M&P sport AR15

>>33120341
$1k is plenty.

For the rifle, PSA AR-15 build.
Acquire inexpensive stripped lower.
Acquire AR buffer tube wrench.
Acquire rifle kit of your choice.
http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-midlength-5-56-nato-1-7-phosphate-moe-ept-rifle-kit-rear-mbus-516445028.html

http://palmettostatearmory.com/ar-15-05/rifle-kits.html

And if that's too hard, or the local dealer charges too much for lowers order this,
http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar-15-complete-blem-lower-classic-edition-no-magazine.html
Pay transfer fee of course.
Then order one of these.
http://palmettostatearmory.com/ar-15-05/barreled-upper-assemblies.html

You'll also need some magazines, a rear sight, some ammunition and a little CLP lubricant. But that's all very cheap. The rifle itself will run about ~$500 depending on what upper you want. It's even possible to build a shitty one for $400.

>>33120341

get a ruger 9mm - plenty of choices, look at 9E

and for 9m noob you'd better get something that weighs at least 25 ounces

go to the local range and try renting several different 9m to see if you can handle the recoil

as for a rifle, get some kind of 22 rimfire either LR or WMR

both of those new maybe 600 then you still have plenty of $$ for ammo and training

>>33121630
>ruger

Get a glock 19 for carry and HD. Don't cheap out and get a SD9VE or some gay shit because if you do you will regret it.

After you buy your glock you can save up more and build an AR or something, or just get a carry pistol. Why do you think you need a rifle?

>>33121469
can't tell if troll or just stupid.
>>33121618
this nigga gets it.
>>33120341
look for police trade in guns like s&w 59s or old glawk brand hand grenades. should run you around tree fiddy. or you could get a turkshit CZ knockoff new for the same price.
>inb4 ISIS.
If you pay taxes in the U.S. you are already funding ISIS.

>>33120341
LC9s ($300), one box of anything with an XTP bullet (~$20), 500 rounds 124gr/147gr Speer Lawman ($100)
S&W M&P 15 Sport II ($500), 500rnds steel case 223 ($100)

After transfer and shipping you're probably looking at ~1200. Have you considered only buying one? You could also just buy a complete lower for $120 and all you would need in the future is an upper and ammo.

https://www.slickguns.com/search/apachesolr_search/lc9s

>>33121618
>>33121675
This nigga doesn't get it. You can't afford the gun if you can't afford bulk ammo for it.

Now for your pistol.
If you want a cheap, basic concealable gun Taurus has been pricing their PT111s very competitively.
http://palmettostatearmory.com/taurus-pt111-gen2-9mm-1-111031g2-12.html

They aren't the most solid, but they work and for $200 they're very hard to beat.

There's also a bunch of surplus Italian Beretta 92S pistols coming in from Italy. They are in good mechanical condition and accept most standard Beretta 92 magazines provided they have a heel release cut.
http://www.southernohiogun.com/beretta-model-92s-9mm.html
These are only cheap because they are surplus. They will not be this cheap in the future.

Another very solid option is the Canik TP9
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1CHG4070N&name=CANIK+TP9SF+Special+Forces+9mm+Pistol+w%2f+Warren+Tactical+sights&groupid=6804
They're made in Turkey, but quality is good and it comes with a lot of extras as standard.

In a similar vein, the SAR B6P is an inexpensive Turkish-made, polymer-framed CZ75 clone.
http://www.rkguns.com/eaa-sar-b6p-9mm-full-size-pistol-400422.html

>>33121733
$500 for AR
$300 for Pistol

One can of LC 5.56, $170
http://www.sgammo.com/product/223-556mm-ammo/420-round-can-556mm-55-grain-xm193-lc1ac1-lake-city-federal-ammo-ar-15
2 boxes of Prvi 9mm.
http://www.sgammo.com/product/prvi-partizan/50-round-box-9mm-luger-fmj-115-grain-brass-case-prvi-partizan-ammo-ppr92

That's not much, but it's something to start with.
Ammunititon isn't free of course. If you want, I can dig up a total sub 1k-OTD nigger-poor loadout.

>>33121797
$30 doesn't leave room for double transfer fees, separate shipping on a rifle, handgun, and bulk ammo, or self defense boolets.

>>33121819
>>33121797
A super cheap Anderson $400 m4gery, $40 transfer, $20 shipping,
$100 500rnds steel case 223, $100 500rnds 9mm, $20 50rnds JHP, $20 shipping
$300 pistol, $40 transfer, $40 shipping

It still seems like the best option is to buy a complete lower and a decent handgun now, and to buy the AR upper and 223 later.

Fellow poorfag.
A bit ago, you could get a lightly used police surplus CZ P09 for like 300.
Might be worth looking into, they might not still be cheap though.

>>33121931
Same guy.
You can get a trade in s&w m&p 40 for like 300 as well.

>>33121870
That's a good idea.
>>33121819
Well it depends what OP meant by 1k.

Did he mean 1k for 2 complete guns with bulk ammo paid for/shipped/delivered?
If so, it can be done.

I even made a poorfag shopping cart. All PSA.
-Pistol+spare mag.
http://palmettostatearmory.com/taurus-pt111-gen2-9mm-1-111031g2-12.html
http://palmettostatearmory.com/taurus-magazine-9mm-pt111-pro-9mm-12rd-capacity-5-11101pro-12.html
-Lower
http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar-15-complete-blem-lower-classic-edition-no-magazine.html
-Upper
http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-mid-length-5-56-nato-1-8-stainless-steel-freedom-upper-with-bcg-and-charging-handle.html
-Rear Sight
http://palmettostatearmory.com/magpul-mbus-back-up-sight-gen-2-rear-mag248.html
-Magazines (X5)
http://palmettostatearmory.com/d-h-5-56-30rd-aluminum-magazine-8416.html
-9mm ammunition (X5, 250 rds total)
http://palmettostatearmory.com/9mm-124gr-fmj-blazer-brass.html
-5.56 ammunition (x25, 500 rds total)
http://palmettostatearmory.com/pmc-223a-55gr-fmj-20rd-box.html

All comes out to $936.66
That's without coupon codes, and it leaves budget for shipping/transfer.

>>33122011
Op here, thank you for idiot proofing this for me...

I did mean 1k for two complete guns and ammo.

Are what you've suggested reliable? I don't mean the best gun on the planet. I just need something that's accurate and won't jam.

>>33122011
this is ridiculous for op - read it

>>33122073
no don't do that at all your resale for that parts bin special max $300

>>33122142
better suggestion?

>>33122073
I'd recommend spending a little less on ammo and a little more on the handgun, maybe a nicer upper. You can get more ammo later piecemeal. The lower literally doesn't matter since all AR-15 lowers are virtually identical in function outside of buffer weight (which doesn't come into play unless you decide you want a 20" rifle gas upper, this comes with a heavier carbine buffer).

The Beretta 92S is a particularly good deal right now and isn't going to get any cheaper. That's good assuming.
1) You like steel-framed pistols.
2) You don't intend to use it for concealed carry (it's chunky yo)
3) You like Berettas

The Canik TP9 is very well reviewed and extremely popular. I've shot one when in NV and it really doesn't shoot like a $300 handgun. I was able to be extremely accurate with it.

The Taurus, I've never fired one. I've read decent reviews on it. The company can be hit or miss on quality but does have a good warranty program, but of course that's minor consolation. It might require a break-in period, maybe even a trip back to the factory to be buffed out, but it'll probably work right out of the box. Accuracy? Again I haven't shot one but it's a smaller gun meant to be carried, you get less barrel and less weight to buff out recoil. I wouldn't expect much.
I know it sounds like a shitty option, but if you need to carry a gun daily the 92S is just going to be too heavy and the Canik, while lighter is still much bulkier than the Taurus. That and as you've seen $100 can go a long way.

>>33120341

glock in .45 acp, .40 s&w, or 10mm auto

savage axis in .308 win

youll have about 300-200 for ammo, youre welcome

>>33122142
who the fuck sells their guns? Nothing for under 1000 bucks will have great resale value unless it's old.

>>33122167
308 ain't cheap. It sounds like this guy wants a general purpose rifle, and a savage axis isn't one.

>>33121469
Ignore this racist scum

>>33122166
taking the p2111 off the table. What handgun other handgun under $300 would you recommend?

>>33122252
nothing new manufacture. Pretty much only surplus guns get that cheap and are still good. Canik makes good guns, but I don't thin they retail for under 300.

>>33122142
How about you fuck right off?
>no don't do that at all your resale for that parts bin special max $300
Great, if you can find a decent used AR for OP that cheap go ahead and link it.
Of course a PSA Freedom Rifle build isn't going to have much resale value. It costs $400-500 brand new. And that's assuming OP will want to re-sell it.

Even if he did.
>resell upper for ~300
>keep lower
>acquire different upper
>>33122167
>bitches about resale value
>suggests Savage Axis
That's just rich. A bargain basement deer rifle with a useless shoulder scope and no irons to learn with. Don't forget the pleasant flinch that OP will learn from a lightweight .308 rifle

>>33122286
This is a gun noob question, but will my FFL dealer give me shit for not having my concealed and buying a pistol?

Is it really as simple as calling and saying "I'm shipping these guns to you and will pay to pick them up from you."

>>33120341
used Savage 93R17 BTVS w/ Prostaff glass
RIA 1911 or used cop SW5906
toss in a single barrel 12ga
spend the rest on ammo

>>33122252
There's a lot of options around $300, Glock/M&P trade-ins, Beretta 92S, Canik TP9 ($330, not too bad), SAR B6P, Ruger P89/P95

Really depends what you find/can afford.

I'd recommend 9mm because it's extremely affordable and adequately powerful. Recoil isn't too bad either.

>>33122317
99.999999% of FFLs don't care. Call before shipping it to them and ask if you're worried.
It's really that simple.
>>33122318
why would anyone get a 1911 as a primary pistol
the ammo is expensive and the design is outdated.

>>33120341
used Glock in .40/.45 $350-$500

build a basic ar-15 from PSA or Del-ton. there are guides to make $450-$550 rifles

>>33122356
>.40/45
>2017
come on bruh
the only .40 cal round that your pistol should be chambered in is 10mm, not its disabled brother.

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>>33122341
>why would anyone get a 1911 as a primary pistol
>the ammo is expensive and the design is outdated.

gonna need better b8 m8. you must be new here.

besides, Flips only know 2 things, betting on cock fights and making 1911s

>>33122418
I'm not saying RIA makes bad guns, I'm saying a single action only metal framed pistol in .45 acp is outdated. 45 ACP is better than 9mm only in ball rounds, not modern defensive loads.

>>33122384
he asked for
>stoppan powuh

>>33122440
wait, so 1" expanded diameter is the same as .62" expanded diameter? must of skipped over that in my math class

>>33122483
no, but 17 is a lot bigger than 7, than 1' is to .62'.
>>33122450
9mm has plenty of stopping power for every need, especially in a large magazine.

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OP I have two pieces of advice for you.

The first one is that "stopping power" does not exist. It is a myth.

There are three "standard" automatic pistol calibers. 9mm, .40, and .45. They are identical in performance (which is poor) at killing assailants. 9mm is cheaper, lighter, easier to shoot, and you can fit more rounds in the mag.

I legitimately don't understand why anyone would go out of their way to buy a gun in .40 or .45. They aren't better. The only one I can think of that's objectively better than 9mm is 10mm, and shares none of the other benefits 9mm has.

"Stopping power" is a shot to the heart or central nervous system. Never in your life will you face an assailant that will be "stopped" by a bad .45 shot who otherwise wouldn't be "stopped" by a bad 9mm shot.


My second piece of advice for you is to disregard anyone telling you to buy a Ruger. They aren't good. They're Taurus quality with a 30-50% higher price tag, and their entire company message is basically circle-jerking about being good red-blooded Americans just like their gun-grabber founder wanted. Buy a used Glock for less money and spend the remaining money on ammo, shooting a pistol that doesn't belong in a dumpster.

>>33122483
Expanded diameter does not kill people. Shots to the heart or CNS kill people.

This reminds me of the time my friend tried to claim that one buckshot pellet (.32-.33") would be more lethal than a .308 (.308") because it was a bigger projectile.

He was wrong.

>>33122503
>implying you'll need 17 rounds in almost any situation
>Implying the 1911 has no arguably positive features that differentiate it from most modern guns
>Implying 9mm isn't the lowest power round acceptable for SD
>directly stating 9mm is sufficient for "every need"

>>33122566
Name a single advantage of a 1911 over a CZ-75, Browning Hi-Power, or 226.

>>33122565
bigger wound cavity means quicker blood loss and more tissue being disrupted per round. 9mm fags always hinge their arguments on the assumption that accurately putting 2-3rds of .45 on someone in a timely fashion is some herculean feat, or that every person wants to carry an extra thick double stack firearm because theyre worried about a race war appearing out of no where. that is, when they arent referencing 30yr old studies using obsolete bullet designs that offered much more comparable wound cavity volumes than modern loads.

I can practically hear the REEEEEE from here...

>>33122566
>implying you'll need 1 inch of expended diameter in almost any situation
>implying the 1911 has no arguably negative features that differentiate it from most modern guns
>implying .45 isn't a shit cartridge designed only fro ball rounds
>directly stating that .45 is useful in any situation
the bottom line is if you need a round to defend against people use a 9mm, and a 10mm for wildlife. Maybe something bigger if in bear country.

>>33121931
If I were OP I'd definitely swoop up a $300 P-09. they're incredibly high performing guns for the price, mine is my HD go-to.

Thoughts on this list /k/?

m&p9 m2.0
glock 17
ruger american
walther creed
walther ppq m2

>>33122610
quicker bloodloss literally doesn't matter because if you're using a pistol you need to aim for center mass to stop someone, so if you miss and hit an extremity you're just going to fire again no matter what round you're using.

>>33122593
Better suppressor platform.

>>33122593
i said arguably positive for a reason, but you already moved those goal posts once so doing it one more time isnt much of a surprise.

1. Larger aftermarket.
2. better accuracy.
3. typically lighter and crisper first trigger pull.
4. straight pull trigger
5. slimmer.
6. convertable to .460 rowland or .45 super for increased performance, particularly in the case of hunting.

>>33122610

First of all, the most recent FBI studies say that 9mm is as good as anything.

Second,

>fuh-fuh fi isn't bad guys it won ww2 bigger bullet means better dead

Who cares about blood loss? I don't need the guy to bleed out on my carpet, I need him to stop trying to kill me.

>>33122636
ppq m2 is best choice on your list by significant margin.

>>33121733
Solid as fuck advice.
If you're picking up Fischer Price My First Gun and you go home with a 100 pack of ammo I think you're doing shit wrong. 100 rounds isn't even a break in period.
Don't buy a gun unless you can feed it.

>>33122658
isnt the most recent study directly comparing wound effects of 9mm and .45 by doctors from like the 80s...

>>33122647

Not necessarily. Suppressor fouling is a big factor as well. From personal experience, my G17 has held up the best under continued use because it can deal with being filthy better.

>>33122650
1. True, but not a design advantage.
2. Inherently false.
3. Not really. CZ triggers are decent from the factory and superior with a little tuning.
4. Who cares?
5. Marginally at best
6. Still not better or more practical than 10mm

>>33122669
What does the M stand for? Meme?

>>33122610
sorry Hoss, but I feel a fuckton more confident having 16 +1 and then another 16 than 8+8 in a stress environment. I want a fucking wall of metal going downrange because I'm gonna be shitting bricks and not thinking about shot placement.

9mm works for me, and I know it will reliably go through most of the material my house is made of cause I'm shooting through walls, doors, dogs or whatnot if there's stranger danger.

>>33121536
> used glock
Yall niggas need to start linking to these cheap used glocks everywhere. Unless you're about to fall for the 40 short and shitty meme they don't exist. Pawn shops want retail minus 20. There aren't any police trade ins cause they aren't 40 and the few get bought up real quick. Every bubba on armslist added walmart nightsights and apparently raised the value by 23%. Y'all niggas need citations and Jesus.

>>33121931
Bullshit, where at? I'd buy two more at that price.

>>33120341
A USP and a M1 Garand.
Both pretty cheap and very reliable.

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>>33120341
$400~ pistols:
>Glock 17
>S&W M&P 9
>Ruger American
>FN FNX (if you find one used)

Below $400 (but not as nice) pistols:
>S&W SD9VE
>Ruger 9E
>RIA 1911
>Feg P9R (pic related, actually kind of nice)

Rifles not TOO far above $400 (varies):
>S&W M&P15
>Ruger AR556
>Zastava M90P
>Zastava OPAP
>An AR15 that you build by yourself from parts.

Rifles for less than $400:
>SKS from China or former Yugoslavia
>Old 180 series Ruger Mini-14 (invest in an AccuStrut later if you want it to keep better groupings, but accept that you'll never get better MOA than 4)
>Kel-Tec SU16 (keep in mind that these are NOT tactical rifles and will see very significant wear if you do a lot of rapid fire and magdumping, they're designed to be very lightweight)
>An AR15 which you build by yourseld from parts (this would be the best of this category)

>>33121469
Please never post here again.

>>33121819
So a Yugo SKS and a Hungry P9R for less than $700 total, then spend a bunch on ammo, cleaning supplies, some magazines & clips, hearing protection and other accessories, a handgun correction target, and then a lunch at Wendy's

>>33122252
Previously mentioned FEG

Zastava M70A (Tokarev clone in 9mm and with a real safety)

Armscor M200 (basic bitch .38 revolver)

Euro surplus CZ75 (if you're lucky)

Previously mentioned Beretta 92S (they have a heel mounted mag release but they're still a steal right now)

>>33122317
You do a background check at the store when picking up your stuff and you're good to go.

If you live in a state that requires a license to own a firearm they will ask for that too.

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>>33122341
There are nice 9mm 1911s, either straight ones from RIA, or Spanish derivatives without the gay grip safety.

>>33122538
>My second piece of advice for you is to disregard anyone telling you to buy a Ruger. They aren't good.
Wrong.

>>33122610
Nobody says shooting .45 is hard.
Everyone is saying that 9mm can do what it can do.

>>33122538
Ignore Larry Snickers, Ruger pistols are perfectly fine.

>>33121469
I agree except for part about revolvers. You want "solid stopping power", semi fags don't have anything compared to .357 magnum that's any kind of affordable.

>>33120341
Pistol: EAA Windicator .357 mag, ~$300 Get the 4" version. You can still CC it no problem, I do. You want solid stopping power, stop looking at semis.

Rifle: SKS, ~$450. You can usually find them cheaper used if you're patient. AK ammo is very cheap.

Spend all the rest on ammo.

>>33122647
9mm suppresses better than 45, too

Another stupid question from a gun noob:

Are gun stocks mostly standardized? Like if I google "gun stock" will I need a platform specific stock or will any do?

>>33122142
>parts bin special

might be a parts bin special but my dad's (he bought it because he wanted pretty much the cheapest AR money could buy) shoots consistent 1.5-2 minute 5 round groups at 100 even with my shitty trigger control and can easily magdump into a 6" gong at 100yd. Why exactly would that be a bad idea for OP for a first AR?

IMO it's a great option for a defensive rifle on a budget. I have an 18" .223 wylde and yeah, it shoots better groups, but it was also between 1.5 and 2x the price.

>>33126825
AR15 stocks are standardized into two categories, mil spec and commercial. What this means for you is that you need to find out if your buffer tube is (milspec or commercial) and buy a stock that corresponds with the buffer tube you have.
For pretty much all other rifle stocks, you need to buy them for your specific rifle.

>>33120341
Pmr 30 and henry martini.

>>33120341
mossberg maverick 88 12 gauge shotgun $200 new
surplus Beretta 92s $279
$521 left over for ammo

>>33120341
anything in 9mm and a S&W M&P15 sporter 2 / Ruger AR should fit the bill.

>>33126353
Stop believing thing you read on here.

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>>33121469
T. Someone who has no fucking idea what he's talking about.

Forget this autismo, get a glock (not because it's great, but because it is reliable and affordable) and buy a prebuilt AR from a gunstore ( at that price range you are really gonna get the same product weather you build it or buy it.) If you can't afford a new glock I would go to a gun show or try to find a good used pistol at a pawn shop.

>>33120341
Ok we're going poor now motherfuckers.

Just bought a rock island m200 last week at rural king 209 buckaroos

Buy a marlin lever action 30-30 (think academy has them for 400 buckaroos)

Now buy ammo.

You're not firing as fast as the ar, but those rounds will drop someone.