Remember this dude? >>33092449 No? well, it was not a

>>33113203
I think he's chinese

>>33113220
He was talking about the "iron harvest", that's what they call the yearly surfacing of ww1 munition in belgium and the nederlands

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_harvest

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>>33113231
That's /k/ as fuck.
>unexploded munitions randomly appearing everywhere
>firearms and barbed wire literally sprouting out of the ground

>>33113249
I dig up ww1 ammo and shit as a hobby.

pretty cool desu famlam

I too supposedly died a couple of weeks ago according to /k/

>>33113203
>pick up rusty unexploded WW1 ammunition
>it starts fizzing
>point it at your goddamn face so you can take a picture
What was he expecting to happen?

Poor fella. Shouldn't have messed around with that stuff.

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>>33113203

RIP /k/ommando

Buzzkill reminder: Shooting can be a lot of fun, but weapons are not toys. Treat them with appropriate respect.

>>33113203
I'm not totally convinced it's him. That looks like a 303 brit cartridge, not some artillery piece.
But either way, if we got rid of an underage poster from a noguns country, I see that as a victory for /k/.
Probably the only good post he'd have ever made anyway.

>>33113431
the article claims the kid was tinkering with old munition.

Looks like munition to me.

>>33113439
Just saying, the chances of him finding a ww1 303 brit that wasn't standard military ball is insanely slim.
He probably did something else stupid. Or it wasn't him.

>>33113451
you wat mate, I have like 50 pieces lying around here.


you must've never been to europe, this place is filled to the brim with ww1 and ww2 munitions

>>33113475
>I have like 50 pieces lying around here.
Yeah, and they're all standard military ball ammo right?
I highly doubt you tracked down some rare incendiary aircraft ammo.

>>33113494
why are you talking about some sort of incendiary aircraft ammo? where was that mentioned?

>>33113203
I don't think Dutch police know how ammunition works

>>33113505
Well, I thought we were assuming that this cartridge he was holding set it off. Or at least sparked the event.
If not, then like I said earlier, he did some other idiotic thing to kill himself with his ammo pile.
Again, a net gain for /k/, one less noguns europoster making /v/ threads.

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Belgian here. We are so fucking used to this bullshit that our EOD (DOVO) actually trains farmers to handle UXO (unless it's super large). The farmers put it by the road and DOVO comes pick it up once a week. If they did it any other way, they'd do nothing but drive around picking up shit.

Anyhow, due to the vast amounts of UXO we have in our soil, from both world wars, it's quite easy to find stuff.
A good friend of mine digs up kilos of unfired rifle ammo once a week, unloads it and sells the brass.
He also finds buckles, regimental insignias, rings, etc which turn out to be quite valuable.

But he has tales of digging up unexploded torpedos (which were carted off illegally to some guy's home), and near intact Vickers & Lewis guns. It's amazing how some types of mud and sand preserve the metal by displacing the air, thus stopping corrosion.
Mostly he finds rusted SMLEs, Lebels, Mausers, etc though. Often with all kinds of weird stuff stuck to it.

Best regions to hunt for this shit is obviously the coast after a heavy storm, high tide or low tide.
Obviously, you need to know wtf you're doing because sometimes small shipwrecks surface and the rusted edges are sharp as all fuck. There's also significant danger of collapsing sand if you dig too deep without supports, so you could be buried alive.
If shit is stuck vertically, it's often possible that you won't be able to dig it out before the tide rolls in again.

Either way, this is largely illegal, but cops don't seem to care for the most part. In their eyes, it's mostly harmless corroded useless ammo. The danger comes from total fucking idiots, who have no clue how to safely unload cartridges. Causing fires. Or idiots that do have a clue, but start posting how to reactivate Teller mines online so other idiots try it and fail. Having a mine explode in their face.
Some people end up storing huge amounts of 'active' UXO, resulting in explosions or even worse, gas starting to get released.

>>33113519
>continued

I mention the Teller mines simply because last week a guy got raided after posting that kind of shit online and showing that he had physical remains of unknown soldiers on display.

The cops will overlook your dismantling of old ammo and sale for collectors or brass/copper/etc.
But posting how to reactivate mines & grenades will draw attention, and if you then show that you dug up skeletons and put them on display? That gets the cops motivated to come bust down your door.

For this specific guy, DOVO asked the police to evacuate all people living within 100 meters of his house, so I'm going to take a wild guess that he had a lot of active UXO stored...

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>>33113519
>>33113527

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>>33113542

If you like that, you'll love this:
What happens with ammo you have no use for after the first & second world war? Like mustard gas, chlorine, arsenic and so on? Well, you just dump it in front of the coast line. It'll be someone else's problem, right?

So, as it stands, there is a huge chemical weapons dump right in front of one of the most expensive & chique coastal towns of Belgium. A few decades ago, the army tried to dive there & dig stuff back up, but there was just so fucking much that it would've taken a thousand years to clear. So they just dumped more stand on it, barred all heavy ship traffic and called it a "no anchor zone".
So what happens now? Well, the shells decay and slowly start releasing their payload over time, poisoning the soil & water.

If a shell ever goes off, in the worst case it might cause a chain reaction, which in turn could potentially blanket most of the belgian coast in mustard gas, chlorine gas and arsenic. It's anyone's guess how likely that is.

What are the current plans? Well, it's unclear atm, but there's a group of people in government which wants to make it into an artificial island (so that it's properly covered up) and declare it a nature reserve (oh the irony).

Pic: Red area is "Paardenmarkt" ("horse market") the zone in which the ammo dump is located. Yes, the things on shore are houses & apartment buildings.

>>33113577
Well fuck me... I've swum there. Never knew

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>>33113582

It's currently mostly harmless. Under a nice layer of sand, so any leakage is only released very slowly & deluded in water.
But there are some concerns that since the ammo is pretty much all in about the same condition, it'll start leaking together more. Which would then poison the water. Experts expect this to be many many decades away since the rusting is rather slow in these conditions.

But we'll need some solution to this as any solution would take multiple years to implement. The artificial island isn't a bad solution, but would likely be an issue for Knokke's coast line. If they want to keep their beach, they'll need constant dredging to prevent their beach from merging with the artificial island.

>>33113577
I love shit like this.

F

>>33113610
Yeah righto.

I'm coming back to Belgium later this year; I visit Europe most years and spend some time traipsing around the western front sites; anywhere you'd suggest is worth a look that's off the beaten track?

>>33113231
>WWI
>netherlands
chose neutral and only neutral

>>33113519
>Or idiots that do have a clue, but start posting how to reactivate Teller mines online so other idiots try it and fail. Having a mine explode in their face.

that's the /k/ i know

>>33113273
Were you the guy with the 150mm shell?

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>>33113617
>I love shit like this.

Here's the suction head of a trialing suction hopper dredger. Imagine a huge vacum cleaner sucking up sand from the sea bottom. It sucked in a 1000lbs US made bomb. EOD had to come dispose of it.

Ironically, the same ship also once sucked in a smaller bomb into its pump. It then exploded. Luckily, this ship had (at the time at least) the largest pump of its type worldwide. This meant that it was huge. The bomb's explosion caused it to crack, but not explode into pieces.

>>33113641
>I'm coming back to Belgium later this year; I visit Europe most years and spend some time traipsing around the western front sites; anywhere you'd suggest is worth a look that's off the beaten track?

Not off the beaten track, but if you get a chance, visit the Flanders Fields Museum (WW1): http://www.inflandersfields.be/en/practical
If you want "off the beaten track", I'd suggest going to places in the Ardennes, like Fort Eben-Emael (WW2): http://www.fort-eben-emael.be/en/

>>33113519
/k/ af. Thanks m8.

>>33113577
Reminds me of how there's a sunk munitions ship or 2 in the Thames with several thousands of tons of TNT on board. Deteriorating. Literally the equivalent of a small nuke in the center of london if it goes off.

>>33113641
if you are going to Ypers this summer there is a bugout under the church in Zonnebeke a county/community next to it that will be opened for guided tours from time to time.
Fun shit is that the bapthism fond is above an alcove my grand uncles father bunked in. So my dad and aunts got bathised above where my grand uncle's father sheltered from 4 hours of shelling prior to storming the ridge my grandparents house is.

Also fun shit like going out to play in Polygon woods and finding human bones.

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Paardenmarkt is estimated to -at least- contain 35000 tons of chemical weapons.

Pic is old belgian EOD (DOVO) dismanteling rig for chemical weapons. It was meant to remove the blasting cap (if possible) and suck out the chemicals. But this is a very slow process (10-15 dismantlings per day) and exposes EOD personnel to danger. This particular installation was destroyed by an explosion in 2012 if I'm not mistaken.

>>33113667
>>33113683
Cheers mate - I've been to Polygon Wood but didn't quite go that far. But the rest I'll check out.

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Pic: this is the new DOVO installation for dismantling chemical bombs.

>>33113687

If you visit next year, keep in mind that it will be 100 years since the end of WW1.
1918-2018, so expect a lot of venues to have special WW1 related things going on, but also expect a lot of the best hotels and museums to be reserved ahead of time.
Plan your visit well!

>>33113577
>>33113610
Oh and that port right next to it is investing to become one of the main import harbours for gass from the states.

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Pic: the new blast containment chamber.

>>33113691
Yeah I'm planning on Villers-Bretonneux for the centenary of the battle; got accommodation locally with friends so that side is sorted.

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And the full installation.
It's largely automated now, as in the past EOD personnel died dismantling bombs. While every decade or so, a death in EOD used to be considered normal, this is no longer seen as acceptable today.

>17-jarige
underage b& now extends to real life, I see...

>>33113687
>>33113691
and don't eat on Ypers grand market, prices are inflated and quality is shit, just milking tourists. So walk a few streets and prices will go down and quality going up.

If you are in Zonnebeke the museum there is small but comfy. Ideal if you have someone tagging along thats not as interested.

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>>33113702
>underage b& now extends to real life, I see...

underage BOMBED, you mean?

pic: building a house in "de westhoek" in Belgium often means that you'll have your building delayed by the building company finding fuckton of UXO...

>>33113705
If I'm eating or drinking near Ypres it's usually at In Der Vrede at the Westvleteren brewery... something of a tradition

>>33113203
I ain't clicking on that shit

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So, you want to plow a new field that has been untilled since the war?

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>>33113717

I hope you like UXO...

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>>33113724

One field.
771 shells.

Welcome to West Vlaanderen.

>>33113709
you sir have good taste

>>33113708
or your import construction workers not knowing how to handle it properly and dicking around with it. YOu can guess the result of that.

>>33113728
varkens, ondertiteling en explosieven het texas van Vlaanderen

>>33113728
Says a lot about the reliability of the fuzes. IIRC the Brits had a bit of a scandal in 1917 when it turned out that defective ammo was sent to the front to match production quotas, they then changed manufacturing and accounting to prevent such mishaps.

>>33113708
So if it ain't a coal mine, it's probably a landmine?

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>>33113738
>Says a lot about the reliability of the fuzes. IIRC the Brits had a bit of a scandal in 1917 when it turned out that defective ammo was sent to the front to match production quotas, they then changed manufacturing and accounting to prevent such mishaps.

Well, I believe one in five shells fired was a dud on average, but you need to realize that the UXO found here is not always fired. A lot of mortar and smaller artillery ammo storage got overrun and left behind. Imagine small ammo bunkers getting shelled and covered, lost in time. Random crates left behind. Etc etc etc.

Pic: old grenades found & put into sand for transport. Small stuff like this tends to just be disposed by blowing the fuck up.

>>33113736
You sir, produce the finest beers. Your countrymen do, at any rate.

>>33113663
yep

>>33113751
thats a quarry

>>33113695
machine pornography

>>33113761
>>33113728
I always feel anger when seeing this...


all those fine artifacts... all those fine explosives...


wasted...


I have a hardon for ww1 bombs... can't help myself....

>>33113671
That's sort of the point of TNT, it doesn't just "go off". You need to add quite a bit of energy before that happens which means that it doesn't matter how much of it is sitting on the bottom of the Thames.

>>33113761
>but you need to realize that the UXO found here is not always fired.
True, I hadn't considered that.

>>33113827
As it degrades it becomes significantly less stable, so the threshold for setting it off drops. Eventually it might reach nitroglycerine 'light bump activation' levels of unstable.

>>33113827
Different anon here, doesn't TNT deteriorate with age, and like, water? And the small nuke thing is stupid. Tiny Micro nuke sans radiation maybe.

>>33113847
is this true?

>>33113906
>is this true?

Dynamite sweats, which makes it super dangerous. But TNT doesn't really break down easily. It does delude into water and binds with soil, especially clay.

>>33113671
Considering the state of London these days (a dystopia of bankers, hipsters, chavs, and Pakis), that would actually be quite an improvement.

>>33113738
By the end of the war British quality control had dropped the dud rate to 1 in 250 000, which is pretty fucking exceptional if you think about century old manufacturing practices.

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>>33113519
>>33113542
nice

germanfag here
a couple of years ago my brother and his mates decided its a good idea to become friends with the social awkward "loner" in their class. So on one weekend they showed up at his place and started smoking weed with him.
Super happy and high the guy started to tell his new friends about his "hobby".
which was: looking for UXO´s of WW1 and WW2. so he told them his amazing stories, and my brother and his high mates were like:"wow cool dude"
so he ran to the next room and came back with some rusty 8,8cm rounds handing them to the high guys. They became super nervous and shit. but it was all cool.
until he decided to hand around some Chemical gas rounds from WW1 and he made a comment like: "haha, dont drop it i had no time to defuse these, haha"
from that moment he was friendless again.
i bet that guy still browses /k/

>>33113577
Pretty sure any chemical weapons are inert by know.

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Also, never try to flush a hand grenade down the toilet.

>>33119140
There's no way this is real. Tell me /k/ isn't really this fucking stupid.

>>33119157
>orange board
>/k/
wut

>>33119157
That's /b/ and they most definitely are.

>>33119183
you can change the theme to yotsuba, or whatever else, if you wanted to you know. bottom right of the page.

>>33119284
shit, you're right

>>33119157
Also note the post number. No way that was /k/ in 2009.

Tfw no guns or bombs to dig up because I live in the us.

I live near a site that used to be a navy ammo pier but I think the only left over stuff world require diving they cleaned it all up.

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>>33113738
>>33113761
>>33116237
The duds were mostly because the land was so torn up already.

It's funny that so many think this is nly a European problem.
Had to take a UXO briefing for work. My province as 400+ uncleared locations dating back to the Boer war. Everything from pistol ranges to artillery sites and chemical munitions storage.

>>33119140
>guatemaltecan thought it was just a cherry bomb flushing down the toilet
chances are that toilet shards killed him

>>33122125
I don't think anyone thinks this, just the volume of ordnance poured into European battlefields in WW1&2 is in a league of it's own