So /k/ I have a legal and serious question about firearm ownership

I also have this question anon. Bump

>>33108289
smoking dope is not a right its a privilege

>>33108289
You basically just don't tell anyone and you have already failed to do that.

>>33108324
>he thinks Reich v. Gonzalez is an accurate interpretation of 10th Amendment law

>>33108324
Statist shill. Kys

>>33108324
I understand. I hate saying the classic firearm line

>we are good firearm owners, we follow all rules.

>>33108289
>What do?
put the fucking bong down, loser. thats what you do.

most people grow out of their stupid stoner phase. here's hoping you do it sooner rather than later.

>>33108289
>>33108311
V&

You're filling out a federal form, the feds don't give a shit what your state says according to them you an illegal user of a controlled substance. My suggestion is to stop smoking weed because it is totally pointless however, if you lie on the form only you would know but keep in mind if the police ever see weed and guns together in your posession I hope you have a good lawyer. If you stop usinh before you buy the gun you aren't lying. Until its legalized at the federal level you are breaking a law that isn't really enforced unless you are already in trouble for something else.

>>33108289
>Federal form
>Federally illegal substance

What do you think?

Weed is only not being cracked down on by the Feds by what is essentially a gentleman's agreement.

>>33108348
Statist shill take your moralfagging bullshit to the gas chambers

>>33108289
You already know the answer. It even says it on the form.

>>33108337
If I was busted for possession outside my home, could the police search my house? If they searched my home (((legally))) could they see my firearms and say
>hey owning firearms and using marijuana is a federal offense. say goodbye to your pupper

>>33108289
Delta force medic here. You simply shouldn't smoke weed if you own or operate firearms. Marijuana is a powerful hallucinogen, it's pretty much guaranteed that you'll ND if you're lucky enough not to overdose.

Just stay away from hard drugs imo. It's not worth it.

>>33108419
trolling is a art

posting the becky image macro would have been ham-fisted

>>33108372
lol you dopers crack me up. the rest of society laughs at you.

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I am in the same boat as OP
>been friends with this kid since middle school
>bonded over weed and photography
>He has drifted towards more drugs like lsd and shrooms, along with weed
>If i stop smoking I might lose my best friend.

>>33108338
Only if in your state marijuana possession = felony

>>33108289
I am a medical marijuana grower in Oregon and I smoke weed on the reg recreationally because I'm over 21. Last month I bought a pistol at a local store and when the form asked if I was addicted to any illegal substance including marijuana I checked no. I pack the pistol and my headstash of weed and dabs everywhere I go. Oregon Police and marijuana laws are pretty laxed if you're up front and honest with them. I've been pulled over with the pistol and my AR and a half oz of weed and an 8th of dabs by a state trooper on my way home from shooting. He only cared if the guns were mine and if I was impaired. He let me go with a fix it ticket for the tail light I had out. I guess it depends on where you're at and if you're that paranoid.

>>33108470
>If i stop smoking I might lose my best friend
>best friend

anon, i....

>>33108289

4473 Forms in Colorado actually have extra text written next to that particular check box telling you it's still federally illegal, despite the state's laws.

>>33108529
yeah I mean it sounds stupid, but other than him I don't have many friends. Everyone else I know at uni is liberal fags, and he's helped everytime I had a breakup. Kinda gay, but we are ok with that

>>33108486
>stoner driving with guns in the car and an equipment violation

this is an excellent example of why stoners are too stupid to own firearms

one crime at a time, son.

>>33108544
It's not state specific. It's on the form everywhere.

>>33108564
>>33108564
I guess I feel as though the plant that I grow to ease my veteran grandpa, veteran uncle and veteran cousin's ptsd, sciatica and arthritis shouldn't stop me from wanting the ability to protect them and the rest of my family. If I have to go to prison for having guns and growing outdoor garden weed to give to vets, so be it. I'll risk it to provide them with what the VA couldn't.

>>33108486

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/white-house-us-justice-department-marijuana-crackdown-sean-spicer-recreational-use-weed-cannabis-a7596971.html

I don't think people should go to jail for weed and guns, but frankly I wouldn't feel bad in the slightest if the DEA tossed you in the pen for doing what you know is still illegal everywhere.

>>33108613
Growing is not using.

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>>33108289
>Asking fudds on /k/ about marijuana and guns

Just do it. You think I'll sit in a tree stand during winter without sparking a bowl?

>>33108324
I hate freedom the post

>>33108660
Correct and agreed, also I fully acknowledge that what I'm doing with the firearms and marijuana recreationally is illegal and I'm not trying to preach to others to break the law. I'm very comfortable in the area that I live and probably wouldn't venture into the bigger cities with the same confidence I have here honestly. I think I was just trying to give OP an some food for thought.

>>33108289
The DOJ has clarified that, Federally speaking, there is no federally recognized legal use of marijuana.

So on the ATF paperwork, even if you have a prescription you're an illegal use of pot, and if the feds bust you, you're in trouble.

In States where weed and guns are legal, state authorities probably won't because they're not enforcing federal law.

>>33108289
1. Supremacy clause means that literally nobody cares if the state says it's legal, they have no standing to overrule Federal law.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause
2. If you are found in possession of marijuana they can make the entirely reasonable assumption it's not your first time ever touching the shit, and POTENTIALLY charge you with lying on the 4473. However, less than 1% of people CAUGHT lying on the 4473 are ever prosecuted, and only then when it's slam-dunk levels of guaranteed conviction.
>what do?
Stop smoking weed. Duh. I mean, why is that even a fucking question?

>>33108386
Potentially. Not exactly a great leap of logic to assume you have more at home and thus get a totally logical and justified search warrant.

>>33108544
They updated the form nationally.

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>>33108324
Fuck u dude

>>33108786
yes, why question a retarded law

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>>33108786
>>33108419
>>33108359
>>33108348
OP here, and i think i need to stop smoking. It's not super harmful to me, but I don't want to get the feds up my ass. On the upside, all the stoners I know are socialist liberals and they are intoxicating to be around, along with I don't need another thing to blow my money on.

>>33108887
Here's a fucking thought. Instead of simply calling a bad law retarded on the internet among like-minded people, which accomplishes ABSO FUCKING LUTELY NOTHING, get involved in politics and get the law changed?

And until you do or have exhausted all legal channels, don't break the goddamn law.

>>33108386
Not if you just get arrested for possession. But it's possible if you were charged with intent to sell.

>>33108470
The real risk is getting caught out in public with it. Be responsible and do it at home.

>>33108324
>smoking dope is degeneracy
FTFY

>>33109068
Why is marijuana illegal in the first place?

>>33109263

for the same reason gay marriage and mixed-race marriages were illegal, tradition and ignorance.

>>33108289
weed is still illegal at the Federal level. You are a prohibited person.

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>>33108289
FFL here, check out the question below my note.

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>>33108289
>>33109328

>>33108289
still illegal at a federal level.

if you own a firearm and smoke pot, I'd suggest calling your local ATF office and informing them. If you don't have a doggo, one will be provided for you (or a goat, depending on local ordinances)

You should be clear under the 5th amendment to give no fucks.

>>33109283
man, i can't wait until all the old fogies die, and we can ascend to a higher conciseness. we can all live in a utopia where everyone is poor and light brown. we can barter with hemp and live in tepees, maaan.

>filling out forms and signing them to buy guns.....

>>33108289
The new edition of the 4473 states that whether it is legal or not it is still against federal law and is therefore illegal to own a gun and also possess and partake in marijuana whether it be medical or recreational.

>>33108548
thats kinda cute anon

>>33109386
I laughed too hard at this

>>33108357
>stop smoking weed because it's totally pointless
My aging back and spine surgery a few years ago would like a word with you. Have you ever taken opiate pain medications for extended periods of time, legally as prescribed? Cause I have and they fucking suck. Weed makes my back feel better, and god forbid puts me in a good mood.

But, as you said, you're not going to get in trouble for weed and a gun unless you're already doing something illegal. Obviously use your fucking head and don't go out and about in the town, getting high while carrying


>>33108486
Growing up in my home state, weed isn't legal but it's also not a big deal for your first offense. Most cops are bro-tier about it and unless you're being un cooperative or something dangerous and it's normally "alright bud, give me your stash, heres a citation and gtfo", they see it more as a nuisance rather than a dangerous crime, most of then know your average stoner is pretty fuckin harmless. But my point is every time some one has asked a cop about marijuana and getting busted it's usualy "alright guys we know you're gonna do it, just do it at home and stay at home, we're not going to come and arrest you if you're just smoking a joint in your living room minding your own business"

Moral of the story, get high at home, no one's fuckin' with you then. If you do venture out, weigh your options between the risk of having weed and having your guns and leave one or the other at home.

>>33109515
This guy knows. Don't learn the hard way. It can be expensive.

>>33109263
To protect the cotton industry from hemp products.

Didn't work too well since China promptly started shitting out decent quality hemp for super cheap.

>>33109515
>My aging back and spine surgery a few years ago would like a word with you. Have you ever taken opiate pain medications for extended periods of time, legally as prescribed? Cause I have and they fucking suck. Weed makes my back feel better, and god forbid puts me in a good mood.
Placebo senpai, marijuana has no known clinical use. That's why it's Schedule I.

>>33109589
This.
>have botched knee replacement
>doc prescribes weed in med-MJ state
>actually making things worse because lolsmoke=carbon monoxide=reduced blood flow, it's not healing
>go back
>hey doc. Can I, uh, just eat it?
>lolno, that's non-approved usage of RX, if you insist gonna have to report you
>okay well then I want off it, shit's not doing anything
>gives me opiate+NSAID
>that works until healed as much as I'm going to
Only thing that's worked for me for chronic pain management has been prescription massage and physical therapy.

>>33108324
what's the matter anon, don't like freedom?

>>33109263

A few reasons, taxation for one, the govt wants their cut.

William Randolph Hurst's timber industry was being threatened by hemp, him being a bigshot hollywood director way back in the day realizes that he can capitalize on the irrational race based fear of the time by making a film (reefer madness) that associates smoking weed with activities minorities participate in, make it seem all horrific and detrimental to white society, then the scared white people voted for legislation against weed, basically

Nixon knew he could lock up an entire group of people who would vote against him, the hippies and the counterculture movement, so he had a bunch of bogus studies conducted in the 60s that showed in monkeys that their braincells were being damaged by the smoke from marijuana.......... but the problem was they were pumping more smoke than oxygen into the fucking monkeys and their brain cells were dying because they were being fucking suffocated

And last but not least, if the govt admits marijuana is no big deal, then that whole costly 'war on drugs' the govt has been waging for years now in futility will mean nothing and they will have to eat crow. Which they aren't going to do. Then theres that whole releasing the wrongfully imprisoned for weed charges thing

>>33109589
Get that fucking boot out of your mouth.

Yeah because we know the govt is nothing but benevolent and is perfect and only has our best intentions in mind, right?

Shut the fuck up before you talk to me. If I could will my back pain away, I sure as shit would

3/10, made me reply

>>33109589
But prescribing everyone legal heroine that's 50 to 100x stronger than regular heroine ia perfectly fine, right?

Neck yourself. Let me guess, you don't have a problem with alcohol because it's 'legal' right?

>>33109515
fuck opioid pain meds, had cancer twice and opioids suck to be on and suck worse trying to get off of them. The worst part is you take them to get rid of pain so you feel ok but mentally feel like shit then you form a dependence on them so you have to take them to keep from withdrawling and take more to control pain then when the pain is gone it takes forever to get off of them because if you dont take them for more than 12 hours you get shakes cold sweats and dysentery tier dirreah. I live in Wa so getting a medical card wouldnt be an issue but to be honest I didnt need one so I just used conventional meds. I know people that use medical for lots of different things and for those it helps it really does help. I dont give a shit about recreational users but it should at least be legal federally for medical use.

>>33109677
Which is fine for YOU. Just because that worked with you, doesn't mean marijuana is useless as medicine. Sometimes if you have a botched surgery they have to try different medications until they find one that works... kind of like how I tried you name it any combination of high/low powered pain meds and muscle relaxers until i realized taking a muscle relaxer when back spasms persist and smoke for pain I am much better off all around, than constantly being on legal heroine

Opiates lead to depenancy and addiction. Just like >>33109905 said. And opiate dependency leads to death

NSAIDs are fucking horrible for your heart in large doses over time.

Acetaminophen destroys your liver in large doses over time.

Weed I destroy my dorritos, and eat my kids lucky charms in large doses and keep buying shitty microwave burritos over time. God forbid I hack up a little phlegm in the morning once in a while, oh no, it's probably cancer

>>33110092
dependency isnt addiction necessarily and itd lead to alot less death if doctors were allowed to maintain an addiction so addicts could at least not be shooting elephant traqs

dont get me wrong i know they have their dangers but its retarded to pushing something that is a psychological inevitably

>>33109589
Placebo is still as powerful as something that physically works in terms of perception of the person in pain, look up merinol it is literally thc in sesame seed oil. Commonly used for nausea and appetite supplement in cancer patients. Oddly enough it is a schedule 2 drug. I am the anon who had cancer twice and from my experiance just because something is not widely medically recognized as working does not mean it wont work. My meds gave me super high cholesterol and they wanted me on statins, I did some research and instead took niacin supps (with the oncologists blessing). They just took me off niacin because my cholesterol was too low. I mean everyone is different and that is what makes medecine hard, people react differently to meds or do better on certain meds. For some marijuana is a wonder drug and for others it does jack shit. Just like opioids give most people euphoria but make me feel like shit. Many modern meds are based off of botanicals, one of my chemo agents was made from a lichen found growing in scotland. Just because there is no clinical evidence currently supporting something does not mean it doesnt work. There are new developments and discoveries in the pharma field every day.

>>33110154
>be on legal heroine 24/7
>run out of legal heroine
>experience the pain/withdrawal of real heroine
>not addiction
Yeah okay, you're addicted to it in every way it's just not called an addict

>>33110175
>take plant that works just fine
>process it, fuck it all up and do god knows what to it
>put it in pill form
>now it's a-okay guise
Why not just skip the middle man and all the bullshit and smoke/eat/vape a plant

On the new 4473's that came out at the first of the year it specifically states now on the question about marijuana if you are in a legal state it doesn't mater, its still FEDERALLY illegal and you are filling out a FEDERAL form.... So if you check "no" to that question and you smoke it legally in your state, you are lieing on a federal form... now i highly doubt anyone is going to check that, but there is that risk.... and with Trump saying he is going to start cracking down on REC states.... who knows... be careful...

Source: I work at a gun shop / range.

>>33110224
the reason you process the plant is so you can extract the active ingredient and actually have enough for a theraputic dose. I will also admit chemo is a whole different animal than cannabinoids. Cytotoxic chemo agents probably require more to work active chemical to work properly. I do agree with you on opioids though, cutting people off cold turkey only causes trouble and addiction. I know the need to keep people from becoming addicted to opioids but make a taper off the drug and listen to the patient dont pull a VA and go nah man you just want to get high then fuck over some marine who got both his legs blown off.

>>33109589
This. It causes major memory problems due to damage to the hippocampus.

Pot heads are brain-damaged morons who can't be trusted with firearms.

>>33110539
Holy fuck you are retarded. It causes 'short term memory loss' which is no big deal because it's usually things like, "oh shoot I hope I closed my garage door before I left" then you drive around the block and it was closed the whole time. Your short term memory loss/forgetfulness comes back after you stop smoking for a couple days and is GREATLY exaggerated by movies. I run a fucking business and have a college degree and do just fine. Weed isn't for everybody, I function high all the time and the vast majority of people have no idea.

You know why they say brain damage is caused by marijuana? Because when they conducted those studies they gave the monkeys more fucking smoke than air and their brain cells atrophied because of oxygen deprivation, not because of the marijuana

>>33110620
>Your short term memory loss/forgetfulness comes back after you stop smoking for a couple days
completely unsupported by medicine

>>33109589
>he trusts the government

>>33110620
How long did it take you to type that out on mobile?

>>33110671
That has anything to do with what?

>>33110671
>not using mobile for superior 4chan app

>>33110700
"The results
suggest that marijuana disrupted both sustained and
transient attention processes resulting in impaired memory
task performance. In subjects most affected by marijuana a
pronounced ERP difference between previously studied
words and new distracter words was also reduced,
suggesting disruption of neural mechanisms underlying
memory for recent study episodes"

>>33110751
>guise I asked gewgle if marijuana was bad
>copy and paste with no citation, let alone adjusting the format
You win sir, I concede. I'll change my ways and stick to just good ol fashioned alcohol from now on, since ya know it's better and all

>>33110822
Ilan, A. B., Smith, M. E., & Gevins, A. (2004). Effects of marijuana on neurophysiological signals of working and episodic memory. Psychopharmacology, 176(2), 214-22.

>>33111050
>get high and drive and do other things that can be dangerous even while not high can increase your risk if you are high
Yeah, we know

>school and work can be hard when you're high
Yeah we know. Don't go to work high, especially if your job is dangerous. I was high constantly in college, funny thing it seemed to help me as I was more interested in the subject.

>marijuana unmotivates people
It's not for everybody. Some people get drunk and start fights when they drink. Some people just want to get high and play playstation, or do whatever. If you're an introvert and you wanna get high you do introvert things. If you're an extrovert you get high and go ride your bike in the park or some shit. There are LOTS of functioning stoners, most of them you would never know because they don't want to lose their job from it

>cannabis contains carcinogenic compounds
Yeah no shit, you're burning shit and inhaling it. If you inhale anything but oxygen into your lungs it's bad for you but that shit kills you too (oxidation). This is why you partake in edibles for medication. They also have vaporizers, which is what most doctors for medical marijuana recomend because it reduces the harmful effects from smoke.

>correlation between marijuana and schizophrenia
If you're schizo chances are it runs in your family and is probably going to manifest itself at some point in your life anyways

>crazy people are more crazy when they're high
Who'da thought

Now flip through your book and find the one on alcohol. I bet it's longer. I'm not saying marijuana is completely harmless, but for a lot of people out there, it's no big deal and they keep it under thumb

>>33111050
>>33111423
Also taking ANY medication there are associated risks and side effects

>>33111423
This, alcohol has caused me more trouble than weed. When I get high I mostly just zone out and watch TV or something. When I get drunk I always end up texting that girl from work I have a crush on and asking her out and get stood up this leading to an awkward Monday.

thc = no shoot
cbd = yes shoot