What does France actually expect to use this thing for? And against

>>33081213
merci surrender tank

>>33081213
Third worlders. Russians.

>>33081213
just to keep armor capabilities alive if once needed

>>33081232
>Third worlders.

Who though?

>Russians.

What sort of event would cause France to fight Russia?

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>>33081213
MERCI SURRENDER TANK

It's a prestige issue as much as any thing.

>>33081213
Merci Surrender Tank

Because It's unimaginable for the french army (and for the french in general) to not having THEIR tank

>>33081213
i don't understand you americans. do you people want us to have armies or what? make up your minds!

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Better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war.

>>33081213
Are you aware of a little thing in the past called the cold war?

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merci surrender tank

They will soon scrap them to buy high quality Kraut-made tanks.

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Merci Surrender Tank

>>33081255
NATO becoming needed.

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>>33081340
FACT: Ameriburgers are the dumbest people in the world.

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>>33081213

>>33082789
Not very excited with their blow out bustle.
I'd rather stick with blow out panels...

Canada has tanks, used them in Afghanistan.

>>33081213
Your question is fucking bait but i'll bite anyway. Keep in mind it is a product of the late-ish cold war. It was designed differently than the other western MBTs of that time, like the Leo 2, M1A1, Chally 2, which were expected to "hold the line" indefinitely against the oh so terrible hordes of russian MBTs zergrushing through the fulda gap. France' army had the role of a "second line country" (though but no means second rank) not expected to directly defend against sovietic armies like the formers deployed in Germany, but to launch counter attacks against them.

The initial reflexion was for "anything anti-tank and highly mobile" and for quite some time they were about to go with buttloads of attack helicopters and airborne troops, no kidding, until they realized how widespread MANPADs were in the Warsaw Pact armies and so utterly unsurvivable the idea was. Let's drop the helo plan and go on a middle ground with an offensively minded MBT, shall we? So the Leclerc was designed differently and a bit like an attack helo on track, technicaly superlative, no expense barred and supposedly able to dominate its opponent (requirement was to be able to come out on top of a 1 against 3 modern T-72 engagement) even if it needed superior maintenance when out of combat. In case of WW3 you would have seen armored units of Leclerc accompagnied by tracked anti-air, IFVs and associated units exploiting gaps in the Eastern formations and performing high speed low drag drive-by on hopefully unsuspecting rear echelon units waiting to get to the front, before heading back to friendly territory for R&R.

>>33081213
>And against whom?
jews.
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fvillepin.over-blog.com%2Farticle-4002272.html

>>33081213
Merci Surrender Tank

>>33083911

>Le Leclerc was designed to be super better NATO tank

Except Abrams does everything the Leclerc does only with better lethality, vastly better protection, better crew survivability and vastly better electronics, FCS, C4I and sights. Leclerc has an edge in mobility, but thats not a lot of benefit for the armor it had to give up and the retarded ammo placement in the frontal hull.

It has a focus on mobility, that is true. But this whole LECLERC IS SUPER NINJA PREMIER TANK meme is pretty ridiculous. On top of the MUH SPECTRA crap from French tech threads these days it's getting a bit annoying.

>>33081340

They wanted us to have a military up until the point that Russia ceased becoming an enemy of the west, so now the point is moot.

Because an army without tanks is just a police force.

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>>33085155
>muh american tank does everything better!

You need to learn to be less defensive, mate. Feel free to re-read what i said and point me where i stated that the Leclerc was objectively better. I merely said it was designed with different requirements that justified designing something new considering the specific need, and the fact france had both the technical means and political desire to maintain an independent MBT production capability.

While there is no debate when it comes to armor, the other points are however vastly debatable at time of design and initial introduction of Leclerc.

I'd certainly give the edge to modern M1A2SEP-something over modern Leclerc Series XXI, though.

>>33085714

Because you explicitly say "other NATO tanks were designed to do this"

Then go on to describe something that other NATO tanks can do just as well, if not better, as though it's some super speshul Leclerc only ability to do rapid assaults, just because it's slightly faster, despite being worse off in every other way to some NATO vehicles.

>>33086138
>something that other NATO tanks can do just as well
Citation needed.

merci surrender tank
They use them for parades and possibly "peacekeeping" in the Balkans and A-stan.

>all of the real action happens in post-colonial hellholes that don't have any tanks anyway.

if you think tanks only exist to fight other tanks please get out

>>33085155
>with better lethality, vastly better protection, better crew survivability and vastly better electronics
Everything you said is either wrong or you have no objective way to compare.
>better lethality
l44 with depleted uranium vs l52 ALSO with depleted uranium.

>>33081255
Oh I don't know, the entirety of the Cold War?

>>33081340
They want us to have ridiculous military spending like they do, and they want us to spend it all at the NATO company store, i.e. their military industrial complex, duh

>>33088873

M829A3 is certainly not matched by the Leclerc's ammo. You think all ammo is equal? That and DU functions better at the velocities the M256 uses.

That and >thinking storing ammo at the very front half of the hull inside with the crew and having an enormous hold in your turret front is a good idea

>>33081213
Merci surrender tank

>>33090570
>M829A3 is certainly not matched by the Leclerc's ammo
'CAUSE I SAID SO.

>>33086309
thats why we have IFVs

>>33081255
>What sort of event would cause France to fight Russia?
Occupation of Baltic states or Poland?

>>33081255
>What sort of event would cause France to fight Russia?
Any event that would cause NATO to fight Russia.

>>33090601

You actually think NATO will act on the fucking Baltic States or Poland?

It's just a game.

No one actually gives a shit about those places. Just like no one actually gives a shit about Ukraine if Putin does intend to actually invade it this time.

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>>33085155
>Except Abrams does everything the Leclerc does only with better

However, the M1A2 lost against the Leclerc during the Emirian tanks trials in the early 1990s.

>>33090570

Do you even 120 OFL NG ?

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>>33090903
>120 OFL NG ?
Euros have small penetrators confirmed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QRd7YZHNrQ

>>33086309

You don't need a tank to fight technicals and insurgents.

>>33091799
France is actual very practical in this regard having special anti-negro Africa special AFVs. Unlike other countries who are forced to use unsuited for this role vehicles.

Tanks are France European War deterrence.

>>33081213
>what do we use it for
Well just like pretty much every other MBT : armored fist/heavy support etc
>against whom
It was designed to hunt down swarms of soviet tanks in the gently rolling plains of Europe. Right now, we can use it against whomever we please, it's not just an anti-tank weapon.
>that pic
Why

>>33081241
>>33081321
>>33081339
Also to be taken into consideration.

>>33082965
I knew this was coming.

>>33083911
QFT.

>>33085155
Oh dear god read the other Anon's message, will you ? He's clearly speaking of when it was designed, he's not comparing today's performances. For example, the Leclerc was designed from the get go to fire on the move, and when it was released it was much, *much* better at doing so than the Abrams, Leo or Challenger 2. Obviously with 20 years of development they caught up (and yet... I wish I could see how they'd fare at 60 kph against a target moving at 90 kph 2km+ away. At least we'd know and wouldn't have to speculate).
Also, better lethality ? Wut ? "Vastly better" protection, sights, electronics ? And you base these assumptions on... (I mean, other than pure jingoïsm) ?

>>33090570
Oh, my, god. Do you have a special access to Nexter's files ? Do you think we're stuck with the same rods we were using in the nineties ?
For the record I agree about the hull ammo storage issue.

>>33090597
You're objectively wrong.

>>33091799
Wrong too.

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merci surrender tank

>>33081213
What do you actually expect to use your micropenis for ? And within whom ?
I'm genuinely curious. You're not bordered by any horny woman and all the real action you get happens on the internet where your dick size dont matter anyway.

Was it all just to enjoy cuckporn ?

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>>33095757

Each time I look at a Leclerc, I can't stop but remembering this pic.

>>33096397
The only tank in the world able to jump into cover.
That's what I call mobility. I'd like to see a Chally or a M1 do that.

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>>33090903
they both lost to the osório, what is your point?

>>33097941


The test with the osorio was in the 80's, and it was against amx 40, not the leclerc.

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>>33081213
MERCI SURRENDER TANK

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>>33096397
What a coincidence! Every time I see the Abrams, I cannot stop remembering that picture.

>>33094746
>Also to be taken into consideration.
+We had/have an industry that can tailor things on our own doctrines/needs.

>Do you think we're stuck with the same rods we were using in the nineties ?
In addition the one used in the 90s were the 105 rods resaboted... The very first 120mm were exactly like the 105 ammunition down to the sabot design exept the case which had a combustible skirt and a case base (or stub depending on how you call it...).

>For the record I agree about the hull ammo storage issue.
Well, the barrel isn't filled anymore... So no problems. It would be nice if the XLR remove the barrel for an other sustem or simply use proper ammunition storage with decent bulkheads.

BTW FrenchFag, I talked to one your gunner during your PL formation. He salutes you.

>>33096397
>>33100918
>kids arguing with photos of tanks in bad situation resulting in the crews fuck ups and with no relation to the hardware qualities/shortcomings...

>>33081213
merci surrender tank

>>33082965
MERCI FRENCHFAG

>>33094746
Frenchfag I got a question for you.
After very long studies, it all crashed right at the end, leaving me with no diploma and being 25.
Would it be viable for me to apply for a TC job? Any advice on this career choice?

>>33081213
Merci surrender tank

>>33101487
Who why when oh god you now know exactly who I am and will try to blackmail me into dirty tank pics I knew it.

>>33101879
Du fait de la re-création du 5e RD il y a un gros besoin en chefs de char. Et des 4 régiments Leclerc c'est clairement celui où tu en ferais le plus (après, tu peux très bien tomber dans un des autres).
C'est un engin passionnant mais qui demande cependant beaucoup d'entretien et d'être appliqué, il ne souffre pas vraiment de l'à-peu-près, notamment pour tout ce qui est connaissances techniques. Après, sous-officier, il faut penser aussi à l'aspect sport et commandement. Les opportunités de carrière sont pas mal, en 10 ans tu peux être chef de peloton, tu peux avant ça tenter de passer officier, etc.
Et sinon bah tu cotises comme tout le monde à Sentinelle et tu pars en OPEX sur Leclerc ou pas.

>>33081213
There was a French TV report where they stated that the French army had no money. This meant that the vast majority of all Leclerc tanks were immobilized. Some even got used as targets.

>>33102268
>There was a French TV report

>trusting the medias

>>33102268
Nope, wrong, and definitely nope.

>>33081213
They're about to deploy them to Estonia.
http://estonianworld.com/security/france-to-send-troops-tanks-and-combat-vehicles-to-estonia/

>>33102202
Errr... No, I'm not into that kind of stuff. Just maintaining this positive community of french threadheads. Apparently you're a god-damn passionated TC.

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>merci surrender tank

>>33102395
Ahah I guess that's what he said ? If it's only that and my outrageous accent, that's fine then !

>>33102478
He didn't mentionned your accent... Now that I got that intel, I think I'm gonna see to refine the status report! xD

>>33100918

I xasn't critizing the leclerc, it's just that it remember me this pic, for story, the pit was and old fort on a manoeuver field, but wasn't represented on the map... The pilot must have had the surprise of it's life.

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>>33102780
The TC (who was unbuttoned...) as well.
AFAIK, the whole crew pretty much remember physically this incident.

>>33102202
>>33101487

Mince, on est plein ici en fait, bientôt les 'muricains vont crier à l'invasion de baguettes!

Ici le génie, qui vous salut bien bas.

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>>33082789

>>33102805

If I had time to look into my hard disk, I could post the maintenace team working on it, mmmh, I'll look after that.

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>>33102826
Salutations ami biffin intelligent!
Je ne suis malheureusement pas militaire mais je conserve de très bons souvenirs de ma PMS à l'EAG.
Pour l'invasion, c'est bien parti! ^^ D'ici cinq ans on prend le contrôle de 4chan! xD

>>33102839
Be careful of what you show.
If you want I got some publically available photos (if something is forbidden well bad luck for the photographe, not me) of the tank in its retirement days.

>>33102202
Merci pour les infos.
Je vais considérer très sérieusement dans les prochaines semaines.
Y'a un moment préférable dans l'année pour s'engager? J'ai vu que la formation durait un peu plus d'un an.

>french anything
other than french chicks no thanks

>>33102948
Le mieux, c'est de se présenter au CIRFA le plus proche de chez toi. Ils sont à même de te renseigner, voir même te proposer une préparation militaire pour combler l'attente avant l'engagement.
Mais n'oublies pas qu'ils sont là pour combler les besoins de l'AdT donc ne soit pas étonné qu'ils te poussent vers une spé déficitaire.
Je laisse la parole aux milis pour te donner des infos plus utiles/précises.

>>33081213
Funneling tax dollars into defense contractors

>>33096397

it's a good pic

IIRC there are other shots from the same event, maybe someone can post them

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>>33103047
Here a photo of the tank ready to be Z-dragged.


It's now a tank used to train the new maintenance teams.
https://lionsam.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/char-web.jpg

>>33103208
Poor girl, living the rest of her life with the shame of falling into a trench entirely and being presented to fresh faces in the maintenance department.

Frenchfag, would you drive a 13b-swapped Twingo?

>>33103715
Shit happens...
Fortunately in her misfortune she's still of some use despite her NRBC inability.

>>33102826
/brofist

>>33102948
Il fait moche tout le temps à Saint-maixent donc de ce côté-là...

>>33103753
No because it remains a Twingo and... no. I'll keep to my A3 I think.

>>33102987
>une spé déficitaire
Y a quoi comme genre de spé déficitaire?

>>33103937
A l'époque de ma tentative d'engagement (2010), c'était surtout tout ce qui était Para, Transmissions et Génie. Depuis, je n'ai pas trop suivi; ne me focalisant que sur ce qui passionne (ou plutôt obsède à ce niveau là...).

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>>33081213
Get freedomized commie French Fry tank.

>>33103715
Think of this way. She's taking back the trenches like her older brothers did 100 years ago

>There are Burgers on this thread that actually think Abrams is better than Leclerc

Leclerc actually has APS that stops missiles simialr to Rafale technology, it fires bigger ammo and moves very fast with better armor. Americans focus only on HEAT armor, Leclerc has both HEAT and ADFSDS armor. And it have longer vision at 12x.

It beat Abrams in Sweden trials because of this and did not die in Yemen when Abrams was dead.

>>33081213
merci surrender tank

>>33104311
Please refrain from stating things when you don't how a weapon system such as the Leclerc works...

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bump

>>33102826
lieut' d'Artoche présent

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>>33104498
More recent photo.

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>>33104558
merci beaucoup

>>33082965
merci frenchfag

>>33104311

There's no truth whatsoever to any of this.

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>>33104640

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>>33104655
trop de vin rouge

>>33081213
French people aren't even people, or they could defend themselves.

>>33104553
Oh god. ça se pourrait donc qu'on connaisse du pax en commun.

>>33104735
Etant donné qu'on s'est croisé à Coët pendant 2 ans, et que je suis à Draguignan en DA c'est fort probable.

>>33104755
>turret made of literal wood

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>>33104765
really? Sadly I never have been to Saumur.

>>33104788
You really should, someday.

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>>33104765
Yup, Duroc was a prototype dedicated to the mobility tests. The turret was kept by the constructor to qualify some evolutions.

>>33104754
Ahhhh but it's you, ok, parfait !

>>33104788
Graet museum really. A good time to visit is by the end of July for the Carrousel, where they reenact bits of history using the old tanks. Always cool to see a FT-17 or Tiger II running.

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>>33104797
definitely, this year I am touring the Maginot Line and Overloon, I plan to do a trip to Saumur and Bovington next year

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>>33104829
indeed, I neglected ground forces museums I fear, I will visit them now

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>>33081213
merci surrender tank

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>>33082965
MERCI FRENCHFAG

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>tfw we'll never get a french terminator

Hey! TGIF! Let's have some vintage footages!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTNuFsEIhWE

>>33093138

>anti-negros afv

Show me.

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>>33106115

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>>33090570
>M829A3 is certainly not matched by the Leclerc's ammo.
You have the data to back that up?

>That and DU functions better at the velocities the M256 uses.
Oh you mean this pic:
http://www.longrods.ch/bilder/v_opt.jpg
Absolute apex of DU's performance is actually in the 1600-1700 m/s for BHN 250 and it goes all the way to 1700-1900 m/s for BHN 350, but then again you have to account for the velocity loss which is typically 50m/s/km and with the A3's muzzle velocity of 1555m/s it just means it didn't even reach the 1600 m/s needed to achieve peak performance, and actually loses anywhere from 10 mm to 20 mm off from velocity drop against a target 2km. If you really want to maximize DU's performance you should shoot it at close to 2km/s, but then again Tungsten's curve looks much better at those regimes.
But I highly doubt this works just as simple as that,, especially with current projectiles actually being optimized against special armors: for example the manufacturer of teh DM 53 projectile claims that from an L/55 it could penetrate a special armor array worth 1000 mm RHAe. It can't penetrate 1000 mm of RHA itself, but an equivalent special armor array that can stop "conventional" APFSDS rods that can do.

>>33081213
>developped during the cold war specifically to be able to match 10x more soviet tanks
>hurr what did they expect to go against

Gee I wonder

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>>33106115

>>33103937

tout ce qui est support, mécanicien/transmissions/cuisinier, toussa.

C'est ce qui manque cruellement, et depuis toujours.

>>33082965
yaranaika

Merci Surrender Tank

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>>33106115
Here in its natural habitat waiting for its prey.

>>33081213

merci surrender tank