Snowflake and or unknown/ strange tank thread : I'll

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MBT70 is neither at this point, since it's literally the prototype phase of both Abrams and Leo2.

MGS series is great for learning this shit.

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French ELC project

Not a light tank as a certain tank game might make you believe, but a light TD/ assault gun. Air transportable (only like 7 tons or something), with a low pressure 90mm gun and an 80 kph top speed

Crew of 2 in the turret. Could traverse all the way while the vehicle was stationary but just a little while it was moving

Armor was just enough to protect it from small arms and grenade shrapnel and so on

>>33069471
Man the French really went all the way with light tanks after ww2.

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>>33069360
FV 102

>>33069539
>inb4 not tank
i know i fucked up

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Alvis Scorpion 90.

>>33069360
Just a quick question, do IFV and AFV count as a tank?

>>33069628
Just a quick question. Is your IQ considered on par with most people as normal?

>>33069628
Well, my autism would say that no, its not a tank, they are IFV's and AFV, but i wont stop you.
>inb4 60 posters debating the definition of "tank" again

>>33069665
hory shit anon, why so salty?

>>33069527
We've learnt the lesson after the blitzkrieg.
This was pretty much the end of any "mobile pilebox" tanks.

>>33069674
Because telling people definitions gives him a sense of superiority, just wait till someone posts a tank destroyer

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>When Sergei forgets the yeast

>>33069683
Ain't it ironic? Germany, the pioneer of Blitzkrieg, Mobile armored warfare, decide to invest resources in un-mobile Tigers/KingT/Maus/Ratte because Hitler's inability to exert dominance through his micropenis.

>>33069708
Yup, in addition their weapon systems were too much focused to the point that gunners didn't have a basic situation awareness.
The crews that had the "chance" to use the Panther, all wanted to have Shermans and its unity sight.

>>33069708
>BIGGER IS BETTER
from the 45 King Tiger that arrived to the eastern front only 8 were operational
Those are not rookie numbers

>>33069718
>>33069722
You guys know, I sometimes have dreams about the Wehrmacht alternate armored forces, had there no development on the heavy tanks.

Call me a person that plays too much WoT or whatever, but seeing prototypes of Pz.IV/V outfitted with various weapons and sights, etc, as upgrades makes me think that these would actually serve more purpose than Tigers or any heavy project Germany has ever had.

Same goes for the "could have been" development of more light tanks, and seeing more Leopards on the battlefield.

The Eintwicklung series and the post war Leopard 1 and 2, where the only times when Germany regained the sensible roots of mobile warfare. Shame the E series never went to service. Could have been an ancestor to the Armata today and rival M46 Pattons/Centaurion had the war went for longer.

>>33069760
>"If we can't see them through these chains, they can't see us either. This is the latest camouflage!"

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Engesa Osorio, hue tank that reportdely defeated the M1 abrams during trials in Saudi Arabia.
Could be armed either with a 105mm L7 or a french 120mm Giat gun

>>33069774
the chain is to detonate the warhead of a AT rocket

>>33069527
Yeah, and even now, we may have the Leclerc, but there are still tons of armored cars, such as the ERC-90 and AMX-10RC. There are several reasons for that. First, mobility. Second, it's cheap! Third, doctrinal needs. And there are two doctrinal reasons why the French have a huge baguette for light armor.

The first reason is Cold War-related. French forces were based in Germany, but quickly enough, based De Gaulle told NATO to fuck off, and France had a partial membership. Real tanks (as much as the AMX-30 can be called that) were based in Germany, and light tanks and armored cars in France, to defeat any possible Soviet airborne or amphibious assault. The armored cars would be more than a match for Soviet ASU-85s and BMDs.

Then, and I think it's the main reason, Africa. Ex colonies... aren't. They're still the lifeline of the French economy. Oil. Uranium. Rare earths. Every big French company is somehow in Africa. In other words, it is vital, and must be defended from any kind of chimpout.

So, from the decolonisation conflicts to these days, France has been needing vehicles that can be airlifted quickly to any point in Western Africa, and are good enough to smash niggers in technicals or, if they're rich, with a couple T-55s. And light tanks and armored cars are perfect for that job. Even in the 80s, South Africa was doing a great job in Angola with license built AML-90 armored cars facing the Cubans, who are far from inept at warfare. This, as well as any conflict in Western Africa since the 60s, has shown that this doctrine works, so France keeps making light armor.

>>33069760
great camouflage mate.

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>>33069360

Old Leclerc prototype "Terminateur" (Terminator) with a 140 mm smoothbore gun.

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>>33069527
Light tanks are awesome.

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>>33069360

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>>33069883
Great info, thank you!

I would also argue that even the Leclerc in designed with the light tank philosophy in mind.
Trading armor for speed and such.

>>33070240
is* designed

>>33070072
>Type 95 Object 195.jpg
T-72 155 mm gun

>>33069883

The fuck did you read that?

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Stingray tank

Somehow people on /k/ are all jizzing on this tank even tho it's basically a piece of junk

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>everyone talks about the MBT-70
>no one talks about the MBT-80

>>33069690
I would really love to see that turret in a good hull down position through the thermal of an M1

>>33069978
>"Terminateur" (Terminator)
Wow, thanks for the translation, wouldnt have been able to do that, being a dumb inbred victim of american school system

>>33070422
Be thankful he's writing in burger to the point that you have 0 effort to make...
He could actually write that stuff in flemish, french or even german...

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>>33069360
cutest light tank

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>>33070547
I challenge this claim

Spahpanzer SP I C.
It's on Wikipedia, really odd considering it's a Cold War tank

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Spahpanzer Kurtz with 90mm (prototype)

>>33069401
No.
By that logic the FT-17 is the prototype for the B1 bis.
The MBT-70 allowed for advances in tech that were reused in the Abrams, but the two tanks are very different.

>>33070054
ELC Even ftw!
The Missiles are SS.11/SS.12

I still have to go to Chatellerault to find info on the autoloader.

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>>33070828
>>33070748
Damn, I have to post faster.
Have a driving school leo 1 as an excuse.

>>33070837
Yeah, speed up.
Also, Heuschrecke 10

>>33069690
>that frontal armour
holy shit it's S-tank feels all over again

>>33070566
VERY fast tank moving at incredibly hihg speed

>>33069836
Beat me to it. Would've been a badass platform and all around good tank, especially for the cost. Would've also givin Brazil and huge economical help... but alas politics killed it.

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>>33069360
chelly 1 looks like it has better armor than chelly 2, what happened?

>>33070990
different armour layout

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>>33070990

New turret

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>>33069360
Here you are. The Aureole

>>33069401
>it's literally the prototype phase of both Abrams and Leo2.

This is something that people frequently misunderstand about these three tanks. There is no direct cross-over between them, and one was not a prototype of the other. They were all developed separately.

First came the MBT-70, which was basically built around the XM150 gun-launcher. After it was recognized that the gun-launcher wasn't going to work right (and that trying to cooperate internationally on this stuff was too hard), the Germans and Americans split up and developed two different conventional tanks..."safe" designs that they knew would actually work because they were based on proven technology. The fact that these two tanks are very similar has to do with them being built at the same time by similar countries to wage the same war, on the same side...etc. You get the point.

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>>33070566
I challenge this challenge to that claim

>>33071225
>tank

It's literally a CV90 with some added armor bits, in this case made of wood because this was never going to be a real thing.

>>33070468
>he could actually write it in french

And it would be perfectly comprehensible because English and French share tons of words and sounds. Anyone who knows English can work out about 25% of French words just based on their sound alone, it's that similar. Which you should be aware of...

It's not like it was in Chinese.

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>>33070547

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>>33071253
>And it would be perfectly comprehensible because English and French share tons of words and sounds

Okay mon ami, try to understand what he is saying :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqAfsWJv7GQ

>>33069360
Anyone wish modern weapons development turned out differently so that there was more emphasis on heavy armored vehicles if anti tank weaponry was less prevalent or if there were more conventional wars?

I just want to see an arms race of loads of top secret 'super' tanks and prototype pop up man. Like those secret Pereh missile tanks the Israelis hid for like 20 years.

Imagine the kind of shit American or Russian units could be keeping opsec too.

>>33071377
Oh boy!

>>33070240
>Trading armor
No. It's lighter because it's smaller and more compact, notably thanks to the use of an autoloader which allows to reduce dramatically the size and weight of the turret.

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there can be only one

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>>33070547
>>33070566

>>33070240
>Trading armor for speed and such.

It's just as heavily armored as any other tank in its weight range.

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>>33071441

>>33071441
>recon vechile killing anything
>especially innocent people

>>33071491
That's the joke and it's a photoshop you dumb fuck

You've got to be fucking blind.

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>>33071416
Sure, I could see MBTs being more prolific but I'd love it wore if light M80 Zolja type AT-weapons were developed that had penetration in excess of 750mm RHA. Gorilla warfare with those would be rad as fuck. BUILD IT!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M80_Zolja

>>33071522
alright i get it

>>33069690
Best post 2017. I am dying.

>>33069760

It's just a Strv 81 with HEAT screens.

>>33071864
how effective is that going to be though? I doubt it works well. I can understand it on the glacis but on the sides it seems less than optimal.

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>>33071421
Very armored gun mantlet, I see.
Just like an Leo or Abrams.

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>>33072201

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>>33072201

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>>33071421
Also much smaller, I see.

>>33071416
>Anyone wish modern weapons development turned out differently so that there was more emphasis on heavy armored vehicles

No. Weapons are for wars. Go draw cartoons if you want to dream stupid dreams about vehicles you'll never operate IRL anyway. Add tenticals, dildi and ponies.

>>33069690
Adorable but probably doesn't do high angle fire very well or at all.

>>33072262
>Also much smaller, I see.

No. The Leopard 2 is 0.15m wider, 0.5m taller, and 0.10m longer than the Leclerc. They are almost exactly the same size. The only real difference is that the Leclerc's turret is lower.

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>>33071421

It's a proven fact that it has less armor coverage than things like the Abrams.

The mantlet and gunner's sight of the turret on the Leclerc are a fucking joke for armor. Barely anything. Its composite areas are much lighter. Much of what people measure is actually just storage containers, not all armor.

>>33073036
>Much of what people measure is actually just storage containers, not all armor.

The storage boxes are extremely thin and the only people who think those are armor are total morons.

I see you post this in every thread that mentions the Leclerc and it's boring now.

>>33073088

>Facts are boring

If someone's making ridiculous claims, then they get corrected.

>>33073466

Except that no-one made the claim you're supposedly debunking.

Seriously. Show me one person in this thread who is claiming that the storage boxes are armor.

>>33069690
>my fucking sides

>>33069690
I was always more curious about the thing on its right
>1 turret
>1 atgm launcher
>2 73mm low pressure guns
>3 autoloaders

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>>33072974

Leopard 2 hull length : 7,72 m

Leclerc hull length : 6,88 m

>>33073088
>The storage boxes are extremely thin and the only people who think those are armor are total morons.

True, pic-related

>>33073558

Sorry, the length I was referencing was with the gun. I stand corrected.

>>33071491
I mean, how would they know they're innocent if they haven't done the recon yet?

>>33073490
Errr, Anon... Technically they are armor... they just add protection to the ACTUAL armor (especially against CE). But they are not designed to be armor (with the associated volume/density/efficiency)
On the latest batches, the bustle boxes shield the ERA against small-medium caliber rounds.

>>33071193
fake and gay Japanimation fap tank

>>33073775
How about the IS-152?

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>>33069690

>>33070072
It is Object 477. Fix the god damn file name already, fucking autist.