/meg/ - Military Enlistment General

Trying to get ready to go in on a UZ contract.

>3 month goal of getting ready for infantry
>2-3 month goal of honing enough of an edge to pass selection

Five months should be enough time, right?

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>>33068300
Is it possible to get an active duty contract that then turns into National guard after after X amount of service?

>>33068300
How well can you swim?

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>>33068300
I wish I had the capacity to succeed in a UZ contract... dunno how to swim

>>33068315

...wut.

>>33068317

That might be my sticking point. I can treat water, I can doggy paddle, and I can do some basic strokes but I'm not fast or well practiced at it. I'm going to be needing to invest a lot of time into swimming.

>>33068342
Don't do it if you're not extremely confident in the water. I'm a muhreen, but I'm not recon. There's recon drops everywhere in the Corps, usually stuck in the jobs that no one else wanted to do. A lot of them fail because of swimming.

I thought MARSOC was pretty swimming intensive too, until I went through Advanced Swim Qual. There were three MARSOC guys that all quit before day 3. Only 4 out of 35 passed that course though.

>>33068342
dailymotion.com/video/x3p9ujt

Watch this to glimpse at what you might be in for.

From what I'm reading
>5 months out
>basic strokes but I'm not fast or well practiced at it

Normally I would say your fucked but I'm not trying to be a dick. Good luck

>>33068380
>Advanced Swim Qual

You passed it? what MOS required it?

>>33068380
>>33068396

I figured it'd be tough. I hope to compensate for that by being strong willed enough that they'll have to fish my water-logged corpse out of the pool before I voluntarily give up.

>>33068434
No MOS requirement. I just kept bugging my SNCO about it until he didn't even want to see my face anymore and sent me to a 1 week pool party.

>>33068454
That's laughable. There is no compensation in the water. You either put in the time and effort to become more efficient in the water or you don't. I'm not trying to crush your dreams, but my job was being one of the guys in this video(dailymotion.com/video/x3p9ujt) wearing the bootyshorts. I've seen many guys try to compensate for their lack of swimming ability, and it always ends the same. They push themselves to the point where their body physically shuts down and I have to drag their lifeless body out of the water.

You have to be efficient in the water. Learn eggbeater for treading water if you haven't already.

>>33068454
Go to the pool as often as you can, be it everyday or not. Be able to lap swim a 5K or more. Get a feel for swimming on the beach in roaring waves with flippers and wearing uniform.

does anybody have experience with USMC or USN CBRN specialists? it sounds like a decent balance between danger and pog and a way to get some hazmat experience for civvie jobs

>>33068539
That was supposed to be my MOS.

>>33068524

Thanks for the warning. Swimming now overtakes jogging on my priority list of exercises. Forewarned is forearmed, and now that I know that I can't just be willing to die and be resuscitated to brute force my way through I'll have to go harder in the pool.

>>33068538

I'll shoot for being able to do that. I honestly have no idea how far I can swim, but with the standard sized pool I'll hopefully be able to figure it out and train up.

>>33068555
Brute force never works in the pool. I'm not sure how it works at recon, but during swim quals if someone goes unconscious we drop them.

>>33068552
what happened to deter you from it? (if you don't mind me asking)

>>33068586
I got to leave 6 months early on another contract because someone at MEPS couldn't do 3 pull ups.

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Is it possible to get Active Duty and National Guard in your contract?

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So please correct me on this.

ROTC = The Reserve Officers' Training Corps.
But after completing ROTC they force you into active duty for 4 years to repay the cost of your education.

If they don't need active officers, and you complete it, are you just fucked and now your given over to the needs of the army/whatever branch?

What about people who pay it fully in cash? Are they just stuck as reserve officers?

Are reserve officers the guys running the army reserves? Like when the reserves show up on a weekend the officers are running that?

It's really hard to find answers to these questions because I keep getting stuff for reserve police officers.

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whats the life if an 88M like?

Will 68W make me hate life?

>>33068655
Forgot to mention that I plan on joining the Army.

>swearing into the Navy reserve within the next coupla weeks

What ratings should I look into? I'm looking for hands-on tradesmen or mariner career fields. I got an 89 when i took the asvab 4 years ago.

>>33068620
You're focusing way too much on the name there bud. If someone completes rotc they go and join the real military

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>>33068524
is surfing and freediving (like snorkeling/spearfishing) at the beach enough practice? i dont have a pool, but i have a shitload of ocean

>>33068596
I am strongly considering pursuing this if I decide against being a gruntcunt

>>33068756
h*ck dawg that is one aesthetic veehickle

>>33068756
No. You need to focus on perfecting the movements. Just swim in the ocean. Surfing and freediving won't do any damage, but it's not focused on swimming more efficiently.

>>33068777
Personally I would decide on another branch, but if you don't want to do that 5711 would give you more specialized skills than infantry.

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>>33068800
cool thanks. im not looking to go UZ contract. actually looking to go army and get an option 40, but being a proficient swimmer couldnt hurt.

>>33068810
I'm pretty set on the navy or marines.
I live by the barksdale AFB south gate, and my grandfather was a kc135 mechanic, so I've been very exposed to the USAF culture and way of life and from what I've seen over 20 years...I don't like those guys in there these days.
the army has always seemed pretty 'meh' tier.
the nat guard here is overflowing.
coast guard actually seems enjoyable but still not my bag of cocks.
I confidently feel I could get the satisfaction I'm looking for in the navy or marines, doing something that's not 112% pog.

>>33068855
I'm just saying there aren't a lot of opportunities in the marines because of how poor we are. You'll be paid less than someone in another branch of the same rank to do more work. If you're in the marines you're almost guaranteed to have authentic third world living conditions right here in the USA. >>33067647
>>33067783

Hell, the marine corps motto of "do more with less" is pure retardation. All it means is severely over-working you subordinates when you could be doing "even more with more"

>>33068890
My bad I only meant to link >>33067783

>>33068890
I'm not worried about money, frankly. I've been poor my whole life. mother is dead. left college to help siblings after family fell to shit. father is raging alcoholic.lost the one job I've kept for 7 years right before Christmas due to the owner selling it. did some less than respectable things to get Christmas presents for the kids.

whatever the marine corps wants to pay me, will STILL be more than I have ever made in my 21 year old life. nothing to bitch about there. and theres a little more reward in it for me than just the money anyways, it's almost like a bonus for me in some ways

>>33068910
>it's almost like a bonus for me

That's good, because you probably won't be seeing any other bonuses. Whatever you do, I would recommend not going into an airwing mos. It's like still being a civilian only with the added bullshit of the marine corps.

>>33068935
I expect no handouts. and I'm very uninterested in any type of aviation or aviation support mos because it seems like nobody knows the real direction it's heading in with developments in AI, robotics, and unmanned vehicles.

>>33068707
well why is it called reserve if its not for reserves?

>>33068950
Machines can't fix themselves.

>>33068890
"Do more with less"

>what it means to Officers: pad your fitrep and mimic what you saw on TV as a kid. Remember to point and make dramatic speeches. tell them they need to make miracles happen and as long as nobody dies you'll get major ass kissing points with the CO

>what it means to enlisted: A longer day than necessary. hurry up and wait. spend your personal money to buy gear that supply refuses to buy

>>33068985
Is that the same for Marine Infantry though? They seem pretty bro tier

>>33068985
I don't mind the long hours, waiting, or spending personal money(because I never do). What I do mind is the constant pokemon battles every night when I'm trying to go to sleep, the toxic mold that has made me mentally retarded and physically disabled, and the toxic chemicals you're forced to use with no ppe.

>>33069005
It's a pandemic in the Marines. Some people might say it's even worse in infantry.

>>33069006
>not enforcing quiet hours by turning off power to the rooms after 2100

>not going around facilities maint and running a PR straight to contracting office for fumigation services

>not buying your own breathing gear so you don't die of various cancers by the time your 40

>>33068114
Joining the naval reserve in Canada as ncm.

Any tips or suggestions?

I'm thinking of going into the Port Inspection Diver trade.

Does pay or anything else differ by trade?

>>33069032
>quiet hours

I'm talking about the 1 inch paper wasps that attacked me every night, not people actually playing pokemon.

>facilities maint

The fact you think they actually care is hilarious.

>own breathing gear

That would be a valid point, however it's not the fact that we didn't have the gear it's the derp ncos telling you "we don't have time for that". Cool, you want to ignore what they say and use the gear anyway, have some negative paperwork to go along with your 24hr duty every other day for the next month.

>>33069069
>buy bug spray

>"not going around fac maint"
>GO AROUND FACILITIES MAINT
>BYPASS FACILITIES MAINT
>do not speak to facilities maint
>ignore FMD
>go straight to RCO
>talk directly to RCO with a PR
>go to your S4 and make your supply clerk bypass FMD and go straight to RCO
>GO TO REGIONAL CONTRACTING OFFICE WITH A PR WITHOUT GOING ANYWHERE NEAR FMD
>you can bitch about it or get shit did

i know FMD doesn't care which is why you go around them

I can barely do about five or six pushups before I start feeling like the blood is all rushing to my head. Am I fucked, or do I just keep doing pushups best I can until I improve?

>>33069145
I'd appreciate advice on this because I'm a complete fitness noob and I want to enlist in about a year or so.

>>33069105
They keep finding their way in and bugspray doesn't keep them out.

Bitching about it is all you can do in the marines, because if it involves spending money you can guarantee they aren't going to do it. The barracks managers only job is to bypass fmd and still nothing gets done. The government would rather pay vets $35k a year untaxed for life instead of not making them physically disabled in the first place.

>>33069151
Go read the sticky on /fit/.

>>33068114

Does anyone know if one can become an US army flight WO in your mid thirties, but with 10 years / 2000hrs of UH-60 flight time in a foreign military?

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If you aint infantry, you aint shit.

>>33069499
t.neverserved

>>33069505
t.pogfaggot

>>33069499
Will infantry teach me valuable skills? Not necessarily in the job market sense

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>>33069499

>>33069509
it will teach you not to be a pussy fag like this kid
>>33069505

>>33069511
>not embracing the suck

>>33069511
the hard times are the best cos its what you look back on.

cant say the same with pogs and their comfy chairs tho

>>33068971

ROTC is used to fill both the reserve and active components, depending on demand. It's run by active officers, but it's a part-time obligation for the students during their college years.

>>33069145
Go to Yt and a fellow named scooby1968 or something similar has a great routine on getting ready for bootcamp. Its only 8 weeks or so, but you can branch from there. He also has videos on push up form.

So, I was redirected to this thread because someone told me you guys could talk me out of joining the USAF Security Forces. (The air force is the only branch I qualify for, by the way, because they just made the restrictions on asthma waivers more lenient)

>>33070399
To be honest, if that's your only chance go for it. It's not going to be super glamorous though.

>>33068114
Can anybody clarify the difference between WSO and WSOp in the RAF for me? Thanks

>>33068577

I think you're only dq'd if you voluntarily quit, but that might just be the "you can't come back and try again" disqualification.

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I often see Airmen being confused for Soldiers by civilians due to the similar cammy designs and just rolling with it out of politeness.

My question is: how do Soldiers feel about Airmen rolling with this title, given that the Air Force used to be somewhat tethered to the Army?

>>33071155
I don't care. They're the ones in the air force, they need to feel cool somehow.

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>>33069499
>Come join an MOS that won't teach you any new skills, won't guarantee a good job after service, and will allow you to be shit on by literally everybody

Good meme dude.

>>33071281
At least I'm not a POG

>>33071290
>At least I'm not a person with education, career prospects or respect of my peers
Got em bro hooah

>>33071305
Jokes on you, I already had my degree

So to make rank in each of the branches as an Officer it's basically:

>Air Force: Fly a plane, don't know fly a plane
>Army: Be infantry, don't be not infantry
>Coast Guard: You're doing everything anyway
>Marines: Be infantry, don't be not infantry
>Navy: Fly a plane or command a ship, don't not do those things

>>33071334
>I command retards with guns all day

I'm sure kindergarten teachers the world over are looking on in awe.

>>33071346
Yes

>>33068315
Army currently has a 2 year active 2 year reserve 4 year inactive reserve contract for some MOS, try there

>>33068985
> TFW this is exactly what my whole life as an Infantryman was like

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>>33069267
Start World War III.

>>33068703
AECF

>>33068539
Navy doesn't have CBRN specialits (at least not a rate you can get in your contract)

>>33071526
I heard that faggot was a fucking bitch ass especially in Basic Training fucking faggot shitbag.

>>33069509
It'll teach you common sense, leadership skills, to perform under stress, and you'll git gud at killing things.

>>33069505
t. pogfag

So I went to MEPs and signed my contract, I was suppose to be in DEP or something until my ship date but my recruiter just fucking ghosted on me.

Wat do, it's been over a month now

>yes I've tried contacting

>>33071730

You signed. He doesn't need to do anything for you anymore.

>>33068539
You'll spend your entire enlistment giving the same gas mask training class to different squadrons every week. Looked like a skate job to me. Hope you don't have a fear of public speaking.

>>33068539
It's a job that gets farmed out as shitty gofers on post.

If you have an especial interest in chemical or biological warfare, advice would be to go Army EOD and then put in interest towards going to the 21st Company, which is *the* NBC/CBRN place to be.

>>33071576
lmao, you type like an angry dumbass

>>33071954
WHO ARE YOU CALLING AN ANGRY DUMBASS YOU FUCKING LITTLE TROGLODYTE WATCH YOURSELF FUCKING MONG DICKHEAD POG ASS FAGGOT FUCKING MONG

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>>33071975
>am offend

>>33071980
fuck you STUPID MONG ASS FAGGOT GO FUCK YOURSELF it's obvious u don't know SHIT bitch so FUCK OFF U MONG

Is it a meme to enlist for a technical skill, like electrician or carpenter?

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/meg/ I seriously cant decide

USMC Infantry
>Pride
>Tough Life (Kinda want and need it)
>GI Bill
>Better chance to deploy
>Brotherhood
Army ROTC
>College Degree (Criminal Justice)
>Better Pay
>Muh Officer and a Gentleman meme
>State College is offering second half of college free (4 years= 2 of them free)
>Better chance to go SF
>More opportunity to go into professional world

>>33071954
>>33071980
I BET YOU WERE A BITCH ASS SHITBAG AT BASIC TOO U LITTLE MONG FUCK

FUCK YOU!!!

only a matter of time before u become transgender YOU FAGGOT DICKHEAD GO FUCK YOURSELF

>>33071954
>>33071980
Is this the part where you tell me you got an early discharge YOU FUCKING MONG ASS DUMBASS

GO FUCK YOURSELF

oh wait you probably got ROTC tomorrow

FUCKING DIPSHIT FUCK OFF

>>33071954
>>33071980

Don't be late for ROTC I heard ur all jacking each other off tomorrow

FUCKING LITTLE MONG SHITBAG

>>33071954
>>33071980
Oh gone now huh

Probably got called by ur mom

GOOD SHITBAG STAY FUCKED OFF MONG ASS DIPSHIT

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>>33072008
I did ROTC for a few years before dropping out and joining USMC infantry. I wouldn't recommend it. It ruins the "college experience." If you want and can pay for it do college and then go to USMC OCS. I you don't or can't then enlist and use your GI Bill once you're done.

I also wouldn't recommend joining during peacetime, but that's what /k/ told me 4.5 years ago and I didn't listen. Your "deployments" will be jerking off and cleaning toilets on ship. Fucking hookers in Thailand is fun though

>>33068315
>Is it possible to get an active duty contract that then turns into National guard after after X amount of service?

So this is how enlistment works:

Every initial enlistment contract is for 8 years total. When you go to MEPS to enlist active duty your contract will state how many years you are contracted to AD and the rest of the 8 years is IRR (Individual Ready Reserve or "Inactive Reserve", you don't drill, you may get a muster letter where you go sit through some bullshit slideshows once a year). Once you leave AD, or even when you're getting ready to leave, you can contact a Guard or Reserve unit.

At that point you are in the "Active Reserve". You go to drill once a month (sometimes 2 days, sometimes 3) and AT (Active Duty for Training) once a year. What you do for AT depends on your MOS and unit. If you're intel, mechanic, or something else you can do individual AT at your unit or go to schools at the ARISCs, CENTCOM etc. Your unit may want to do a certain amount of AT days as a unit where you go to the range, do field shit, do basic soldier skill training lanes.

>>33068380

things that didnt happen, the post

>>33068605
>Is it possible to get Active Duty and National Guard in your contract?

Going from AD to IRR to NG is an individual thing. Guard units have their own recruiters.

There is this sort of hybrid called Active Guard/Reserve or AGR. You would be in a full time slot at a Reserve or Guard unit. But the guys I know who did it were also responsible for a lot of shit outside their MOS because they were one of a handful of full time people in their unit (including DA civilians for Reserve units, who work as DA civilians Mon-Fri and are in the unit as Reservists and have to go to Drill and AT).

>>33068971
>well why is it called reserve if its not for reserves?

Because that anon is an idiot.

ROTC programs provide the most officers for all the branches, including the Reserve and Guard branches (Army NG and Air NG). Usually the top X% of graduating and commissioning ROTC cadets get their choice of Active Duty slots. The rest end up in Reserve units. HOWEVER there is the SMP (Simultaneous Membership Program) in which you attend ROTC and enlist in a Reserve or National Guard unit. When you finish ROTC you then commission into that unit. While you're in SMP and actively attending ROTC you wear your cadet rank to drill and AT.

>>33072405
>When you go to MEPS to enlist active duty your contract will state how many years you are contracted to AD and the rest of the 8 years is IRR
So say I told the people at MEPS that I'd like to be AD for 4 years. 4 years pass and it turns out I enjoy military life. How hard is it to go back to being active duty?

>>33072461
>I have no experience, the post

It was a captain and two sergeants. I'm sorry to crush your dreams like this poolee, but marsoc isn't the invincible force you thought it was.

>>33070399
>because someone told me you guys could talk me out of joining the USAF Security Forces.

Talking people out of joining SecFor is a meme.

Just enlist, ride out your AD time, then use the Chapter 33/ Post 911 GI Bill to go to school. That's what 99% of people getting out of the military are going to do anyway. Regardless of their MOS. Unless they are literally retarded.

>>33071281
>won't guarantee a good job after service

Literally no MOS guarantees a job after service. That's why the Chapter 33 GI Bill exists.

>>33072490
>How hard is it to go back to being active duty?

Tell your Chain of Command you want to reenlist and then see your unit Retention NCO. Then you can choose to do something gay for your reenlistment ceremony like skydiving naked tandem with your PL so he can fuck you in the ass until you get to the DZ and go through the ceremony.

>>33072461
Still me(>>33072493). They were the definition of physically fit, but absolute garbage in the water. You have to remember that basic and intermediate swim qual are only about saving yourself, and when you get to advanced it's completely focused on rescuing someone else in full gear.

>>33072490
Just re-up active if there's a slot open. The reserve commitment doesn't stop you from signing on again.

>>33070399
Air Force retiree here. Go ahead if that's what ya want. Some folks make good careers in SF.

Avoid Admin and Transportation. I suggest techy fields if a techy, aircraft (including UAS) maintenance if a gearhead, or medical if want best job opportunities after serving.

Lots of SF become cops afterwards.

You REALLY need to talk to some IRL SF weenies and if you've a base nearby your recruiter should be decent enough to help you visit them.

Alternate option, call the base operator, get SF number and ask to meet some of the guys because you are very serious about the job. That should please SF greatly. One of them could meet you at the gate and escort you to the cop shop.

You can also drive up to a base gate and ask a gate guard how to contact the right people. If he/she/it has time they may clue you in.

>>33068315
yes, you can either go in on an "Active First" contract with the Guard if they are available in your state or you can go active duty and then switch to the Guard when you ETS. Granted you may be tired of military BS by the time you ETS and not want to do it. Going active duty first before going reserve component is always a better idea anyway since you will be far more educated than the rest of the weekend warriors when it comes to doing your job.

t. Former active guy who went Guard.

Which rate is better in the Navy, CTI or IT? Going to take the DLAB Thursday but having some second thoughts on CTI since there is a possibility I could get IT in May.

>>33072469
>>33068605

>There is this sort of hybrid called Active Guard/Reserve or AGR. You would be in a full time slot at a Reserve or Guard unit.

AGR is just Guard soldiers who are on full time orders. They are the ones who are responsible for fucking up your paperwork and pay and get to go to all of the schools that you can't get because you're not part of the AGR dick polishing crew. They also promote really fast even though it's completely unjustified because the majority of them are worthless pieces of shit. Go active duty first that way when you join the Guard, you already know your job well and won't fall for the BS lies that the AGR idiots will try to tell you.

>>33071346
>Air Force: Fly a plane, don't know fly a plane

Pilots are a vanishing breed due to force shaping and improved tech. Plenty of non-aircrew USAF officers get promoted, and they don't compete with pilots because separate specialties. Beware of stereotypes. You can look up promotion info for any specialty you might be interested in.

>>33071730
If DEP still bumps your Pay Entry Base date that can be a nice career-long deal. Mine bumped it by six months but if I'd known I'd have tried to prolong it.

>>33068643
awful an you'll be surrounded by idiots, granted that's 95% of jobs in the military anyway. If you're going to get a crappy job, get a crappy job where you'll at least get to blow things up/kill things.

>>33072004
I wouldn't do it in the Army or Marines, but I would certainly do it in the Air Force. Civil engineering folks do a fair variety of work and live very nicely (because they take care of themselves) on deployments.

>>33070702
>>33072498
>>33072665
Thanks fellas. I appreciate the input.

Does the USMC drug test in the DEP? Do you get tested 30 days prior to ship out? My recruiter just called me asking to come in for a 30 day pre ship meeting and I'm wondering what this consist of.

My friend is in the Army and wants to know how fast he can get chaptered out if he fails his PT test next monday, he has been in for like a year
He has a very good reason for wanting to be out

>>33072904

>Still doing drugs 30 days before shipping

If this is even an issue for you then you have a problem.

>>33072965
I smoked a few weeks ago. My recruiter told me they don't test again until ship out.

>>33072991

You're a dumb bastard.

>>33068539
I want to get into that mos. Is it hard to get into?
Iv read everywhere that you count a lot of gas masks.
Enlisting in the marines btw

>>33073012
I know. Would still appreciate an answer.

Why are the BCA and PRT done on different days?

>>33071730
What branch? Doesn't sound like marines

Apparently the UZ contract is now called a VZ contract and I can expect a bonus of $7500 for getting into the MOS successfully. Whooo.

>>33072916
>In less than a year
>Chaptered out
is this even possible?
Wouldnt you just go to levenworth?

also tell your "friend" good luck getting a job after being discharged LOL

>>33073029
don't do it, find another MOS. CBRN is just cleaning and issuing gas masks. I'm not even messing with you, find a better MOS.

>>33073177
>>33072916

getting discharged for failing a PT test is nothing, especially if you've only been in a year. You get out on a General and as long as there is nothing derogatory in your past besides the PT failure, you can apply for an upgrade to Honorable after 6 months through the VA.

As far as how long it would take to get the discharge, that is completely up to the unit. Anywhere from 1-6 months. Purposefully getting booted for failing PT is a pretty lame way of going about it and pretty much guarantees that you're a dirt bag.

>>33073177
>Going to Leavenworth over failing a PT test

Nigga wut? It's more likely to get a failure to adapt chapter or possibly an OTH at most.

>>33072916
Tell your "friend" he's a dumb fucker. He's already 1/4 through an enlistment. Just stick out three more years for tens of thousands of dollars in college money and literally a lifetime of benefits and exemptions.

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>>33073286
His wife is having twins and his unit goes the the field for 4 weeks every 2 months, and he wants to live dat dere picket fence life

I was chaptered out of the Army a few years ago, and I want to get back in. I have a separation code of 3, which means I need a waiver to reenlist, but a recruiter recently told me that I can't get a waiver. Everyone I talked to when I separated, and a recruiter I talked to shortly after getting kicked out told me that reenlisting would be possible. I feel like this particular recruiter doesn't give a shit and doesn't feel like helping me out (and I can't really blame him). Does anyone here have experience with waivers, or know someone who does?

>>33072916
>how fast he can get chaptered out if he fails his PT test next monday
He can go years without passing a PT test depending on his unit. If he really absolutely needs to get out, tell him to "attempt" suicide. One of my friends got drunk and stabbed himself in the arm a bunch, they had him out of the Army in less than 2 months. Your friend can get chaptered for doing drugs or something like that but it will take months with the article 15, extra duty, and getting all the paperwork together etc.

>>33073177
>Wouldn't you just go to levenworth?
No, I think you'd have to commit some kind of felony for that.

>also tell your "friend" good luck getting a job after being discharged LOL
My personal experience hasn't been bad with this. I've had 3 jobs since I was kicked out over 4 years ago, none of the asked for my DD214. The application for 2 of them asked if I had been dishonorably discharged, which I hadn't (General under honorable conditions). And I've never done it personally, but a guy from my unit who was kicked out for drug use told me that he photoshopped his DD214 to get his current job, so if you're really devious there's always that option.

>>33073400
>Military man can't be around his young children as much as he wants

I see, yes this is an unusual and well thought out reason to leave the military. It has literally never happened to anyone before.

Tell "him" to say goodbye to free tricare, free children's services, free housing, extra food money, lifetime benefits for his children, and tax breaks because he's a short sighted faggot.

>>33068114
Looking to join the Navy as an MM on Submarines.
How long is an enlistment?

>>33072008
>ARMY ROTC
>Better chance to go SF
Better chance than what? Going as enlisted? It's 100x harder to go SF as an officer.

>>33073400
How does he plan on paying for rent, food and healthcare when he gets out? Unless is is already guaranteed a good paying job when he get's out (which I'll bet a paycheck isn't the case) then getting out would actually be a dumb move. My oldest son was born while I was in Iraq and was 9 months old when I finally got back, he can live with going to the field every couple of months. Also, tell his wife to get on the pill.

I'm joining the Army National Guard soon, can anyone tell me what drill weekends and yearly training is like?

Got a few question guys. What camo pattern is this, and does our military(U.S.)use it? Old guy came into taco Bell wearing it, boots bloused (Danner brand I think). Stolen valor? Guy looks like he's sixty plus, but he didn't ask for a military discount or anything. Thought is ask for curiosity's sake. Pic related of course.

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>>33073632
Forgot pic
Also had this patch on arm.

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>>33071954
>>33071991
>>33072057
>>33072107
>>33072128
>>33072190

lmao 1 post in the thread and everyone spills their shit. Oh wait, it was just you? wow, that says a lot.

>>33073642
>>33073632
Air Force. Higher ranking NCO, so age wouldn't surprise me.

>>33068114
Maybe someone here can answer.

Army National Guard makes it clear that there are three options for the completion of OCS, whereas the Air Guard doesn't explain the process for OTS at all - at least from what I could find.

Does anyone know? Currently in uni, and the weekend-only OCS training the Army National Guard offers is highly appealing.

>>33073703
Ah ok, cool. Not military myself, obviously, so didn't know. Thanks for quick reply anon!

>>33073642

Probably Air National Guard. You can literally stay in until the day you turn 60, and his rank is about what you would expect for that age.

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When I graduate from Air Force OTS, will I be given a Peaked cap or a Garrison cap?

How easy is it to go from National Guard to Active Duty Army?

>>33073827

Usually very difficult. Right now it might be easier because Active Army is doing a recruiting surge.

>>33072008
Why Muhreen Infantry but Army officer
Why not Army Infantry

I don't get it mate

>>33074134
So he can tell people he's a muhreen obviously.

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>>33072008
I've always told people this: If you want to be a Marine, you know that you want to be a Marine. People who join the USMC don't walk into the recruiter's office going "What can the Corps do for me?" because you're not going to get a good answer.

A lot of people do it because of the pride, or because of the heritage, and to that end I can't really argue, you have to do you, but if you have the mentality of what you can "gain" from the Marines then I would highly recommend avoiding it because you're not going to have a very good time, and you're certainly not going to be in a good position when your contract ends.

If you're itching for action and don't have a family member yelling "HOORAH" in your ear, then join the Army and apply for Ranger school.

>>33071281
>Come join a MOS that will teach how to get fat on your comfy office chair, girls will despise you. and most of all you will despise yourself

Good meme dude.

>>33074175
>then join the Army and apply for Ranger school.
Ranger Regiment*

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>>33074175
>>33074608
Honestly man, from what I've experienced, id just avoid Regiment unless there's and "actual" war going on.

>>33074636
You don't think we'll be in another war by the time he gets in? When we're you in and what bat?

>>33068793
Pieces of shit tho. Slow as fuck and not particularly good GM truck diesel doesn't help matters. HMMWV is a meme vehicle that got a lot of G.I.s killed when idiot senior leadership sent them into Iraq without armor (despite Viet Nam and Mogadishu and other examples of naked junk trucks getting BTFO), then the uparmored versions drove so badly they were rollover hazards and weren't even close to MRAP in mine resistance.

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>>33074732
When I say "actual" war I'm referring to something where your going to engage a conventional force.

As for what time and place 3/75 from 2015-2016

>>33074762
>When I say "actual" war I'm referring to something where your going to engage a conventional force.
Gotcha. At what point would you say the GWOT was not an "actual" war anymore? And did none of you guys like the elcan? Or did your 1SG or someone mandate eotechs for everyone?

>>33068950
>I'm very uninterested in any type of aviation or aviation support mos because it seems like nobody knows the real direction it's heading in with developments in AI, robotics, and unmanned vehicles.

Retired career AF (comm/nav, engines and crew chief, Broncos, Phantoms and F-16s) here. Your concerns are EXTREMELY naive, unfounded, and not supported by ANY tech developments.

Taking the meatsack out of the airframe just reduces meatsack-related maintenance discrepancies. All those "developments" will continue to make aircraft fascinating to work on and the accelerated development cycle for remote-manned systems is a bonus for rapidly fielding new tech.

That said, it sounds like you want to be infantry so go do that.

If you wanted a career, then a choice geared towards serving twenty or longer would make much more sense. Aviation, preferably in the Air Force, is a good career move with solid future career potential. If I weren't in chronic pain from spine/neck problems I'd be rolling with my bros working contract maintenance overseas, but I retired comfortably with no debt so there's that.

>>33074824
I'd say right around 2010 is when things slowed way down for Regiment and the other guys as a whole. Stuff was still going on, but not with the tempo that you saw during the invasions or the height of 2007 (that was a time to serve in regiment for sure from what my guys told me.)

I'm still a young guy in the service, my experience is limited so take it all with a grain of salt.

As for the elcan, my squad wasn't to partial to them since we were generally Assault 1 for any operation. That being said, there were advantages to the elcan I just liked the Eotech more and for magnification I had a 3x magnifier that I'd put on if the situation arrose. It was mostly shooter preference.

>>33069267
Can't hurt to ask, and also can't hurt to look for other helo jobs in other Federal agencies like ICE, Border Patrol etc.

>>33069499
>If you aint infantry, you aint shit.

In a maximum of two paragraphs, explain and prove that statement. Evidence please.

Also describe for our prospective enlistees what the TYPICAL grunt career path looks like.

NO FUCKING ITALIANS ALLOWED

>>33072916
>He has a very good reason for wanting to be out

Which is????

No one in low end civilian broompusher jobs cares about his discharge.

>>33074427

Things chicks dig:

>Money - POGs make more in and out of service.
>Guys that can choose when and where they deploy,
>Dudes who can hit the gym at lunch because they work in an office that has one attached.
>Successful dudes who have badass careers after the military.


Things chicks do not dig:

>Poor-as-fuck infantryfags.
>Skinnyfat guys who stand around motorpools all day drinking monster and only run for PT.
>Guys who can get randomly deployed on short notice.
>PTSD-addled brokedick combat vets.
>Guys who peaked at 24 that one time when they deployed and did nothing, then spend the rest of their lives talking about "muh valor".

But sure, you'll be rolling in the 'tang when you're standing on a street corner begging for change in your uniform.

>>33075075

Not him, but you know that infantry doesn't proclude you from money, success, and a career after the military right? I'm the guy trying to go for the VZ contract, and I have a career in mathematics and writing ala Lewis Caroll waiting for me once I'm back out.

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>>33073657
WHAT THE FUCK YOU FUCKING BITCH, I JUST STEPPED OUT FOR A SANDWHICH THAT AND MY FRIEND TOLD ME YOU'RE A POG FAG. GO FUCK!! FUCKER!! iM JACKED IRL UR FAT AND POST LIKE A MONG FAG HOW IS THAT NOT FUNNY YOU LIL WIMP BITCH IDIOT! GO FUCK SOMEWHERE OFF TO ELSERWHERE

>>33073400
>His wife is having twins and his unit goes the the field for 4 weeks every 2 months, and he wants to live dat dere picket fence life

Typical and extremely stupid shitbag move. He's throwing away an amazing amount of money because he and probably his wife are extremely naive.

>>33075105

>Not him, but you know that infantry doesn't proclude you from money, success, and a career after the military right?

Neither does a gender studies degree, but I wouldn't recommend either of them if you want to be successful in life.

There's nothing badass about shooting yourself in the foot so you have some adversity to overcome.

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>tfw this is my last chance to browse 4chan before my phone is confiscated before BT
What do

>>33075148
Fap.

>>33075148
Go to /aco/ and jerk it to weird diaper porn.

>>33075160
>>33075166
I'm in a resturant, you chucklefucks.

>>33075202
Hot

>>33075202
Then stream it, faggot!

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>>33074427
>girls will despise you
You mean the civvies who pull the "I wanted to enlist but-" line all the time?

85% of those women won't even know what an MOS is.

>>33075105
>but you know that infantry doesn't proclude you from money, success, and a career after the military right?

No, it doesn't, but if you were the head of a company and one of your two applicants was a thoroughly trained and seasoned member of a very technical skill that few can do to benefit that company and the other's accomplishments included carrying heavy shit and shooting guns, who would you rather employ?

>>33075232
>>33075291
Thanks for all the stellar advice, guys. Knew I could count on you.

>>33072695
IT is way better. One of the best rates in the Navy. Pick CTI if you enjoy staying in the same shitty base for 4 years sitting at a desk all day translating shit. IT on the other hand can go literally anywhere the Navy is.

>>33075441
The fucking infantryman you fat fucking pog. The Grunt will work his ass off and the pog will do bare minimum and talk about faggot shit like Star Wars and get even fatter.

God all you faggots joining to build a resume for "my future company job" are in for a rude awakening once you join up. You're going to hate life.

Don't even bother with the army just go to air force or navy keep your garbage there we got enough.

>>33075901

Joined Army, pretty comfy time in service, made badass connections, got out and got an awesome job thanks to military experience/connections.

Shit works, anon.

>>33068620
>>33068971
It used to be that all Army officers graduating from ROTC received a reserve commission, even those entering onto active duty. Then at some point in their career, once the active component had decided to 'keep' them, they would receive an active commission. Up until that point, the officer could be released from active duty at any point and it would not count as a separation. Just 'nope, we don't want you anymore.'

>>33071346
>Army: Be infantry, don't be not infantry

Actually, making rank is far harder in the combat arms branches than nearly any other branch. The two branches with the highest promotion rates to O-4 this year were Cyber and Adjutant General. Highest to O-5 is normally Intel.

Being combat arms is only important for rank if you're talking about becoming a general officer.

>>33073630
Drill weekend: watching powerpoints and doing CBTs on sexual harassment, responsible drinking, sexual assault, and now transgenderism.

>>33073493
Any Army officer can go to SFAS as a 1LT, no matter what branch they're from. All it takes is paperwork and a PT test.

>>33073458
4 years min, 6 for some jobs.

>>33076246
I'm going to look for numbers but most genreals I've seen on tv or met personally were not infantry.

>>33076273
>Any Army officer can go to SFAS as a 1LT, no matter what branch they're from. All it takes is paperwork and a PT test.
I understand that. I was trying let him know that going through Army ROTC and then trying to become a green beret as an officer was not going to afford him a "better chance" I stand by my original statement that it's much, much harder to get selected, and make it all the way through the course as an officer than it is as an enlisted man.

If you get an email saying that you have a medical and interview, are you accepted into the trade you applied for?

can I join any branch of the military (thinking army) if I tore my ACL in the past?

doesnt limit me whatsoever anymore. Very fit and active, no pain. Can run, lift weights, ruck, etc.

>>33076365
http://foreignpolicy.com/2011/06/09/how-one-general-interprets-the-armys-selection-of-new-one-stars-too-much-infantry-and-way-too-many-exec-assts/

>>33076600
Thanks for that. Like I said I had no real data, just from looking at the MACOM, and post commanders I served under.

Is it difficult to join the air force?

Im willing to do mx or security forces.

>Greetings from Canadian Forces Recruiting Group. We are pleased to inform you that you have been approved for further processing for one or more of your preferred occupations.

What does this mean? Did I get approved for my trade? Am I to be judged further?

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Yuropoor here, my enlistment starts exactly in one week
Some suggestions for ritulas/to dos before the fun begins?
Ima watch fmj the day before and maybe lord of the rings

>>33076631
If you count up all the combat arms on that list things will start to get -very- apparent.

Right now there are 11 Army 4-stars. 7 were infantry, 3 were armor, and the 11th guy was Ordnance.

Many majority of branches top out, realistically, at O-6. Some earlier than that if the branch doesn't have any brigades to command. Above that they may have less than a dozen general officers.

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Supposed to be going to Air Force MEPS soon. While I'm there, I'm supposed to be taking the EDPT for 3DOX4 (Computer Systems Programming) and I was wondering if anyone here has taken it before and has any tips on taking it. Also, what would happen if I failed?

>>33075148
Good luck, anon. I'll be you in a few months.

>>33074175
Ive just always been a little faggot my whole life and need something to be proud of. I want to get the shit kicked outta me, I wanna drag shit through the mud with my brothers beside me, but I don't want to fuck myself over either
>>33074134
Army Infantry isn't as "badass" as Muhreen Infantry. Idk i just haven't really considered it
>>33073493
I didn't know it would be harder as officer. Explain how it would be?
>>33072319
This seems tempting but so is Army ROTC. It would put me ahead of the 8ball when going officer. Plus everyone says Marine Enlisted is fucking yourself over, same with Marine Officer Corps.

Im really just trying to pick which one I won't regret later, that will make me and my family feel proud of me, and that will put me on a career path that I can be happy with (something in the security/defense/law enforcement field)

>work for a moving company
>most of our clientele is vets and active duty personal
>we have a 'no fault no hassle' insurance option
>pay an extra 50 dollars out of pocket and insurance will cover up to 500 dollars for damaged goods
>it takes a fucking hour to try and convince servicemen to buy the insurance
>we essentially have to spell it out for them
>MAN THAT IS A REALLY OLD TV YOU HAVE THERE
>THAT MUST HAVE COST AT LEAST 500 DOLLARS
>FUCKING *WINK* *WINK*
>WOULD BE A SHAME IF IT GETS DAMAGE AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO BUY A NEW ONE

holy fuck if your moving company offers insurance take it

99% of us are bros about it

that shit doesn't come out of our companies profit margin

>>33068114
Is becoming a tanker easy? I hear there isn't much competition and I'm comfortable with tight spaces. Also thinking about joining muhreens because I'm a huge Aliens fan but branch suggestions are welcome.

>>33077089
>>33077089
>Ive just always been a little faggot my whole life and need something to be proud of. I want to get the shit kicked outta me, I wanna drag shit through the mud with my brothers beside me, but I don't want to fuck myself over either
ok

>Army Infantry isn't as "badass" as Muhreen Infantry. Idk i just haven't really considered it
Don't know how you came to that conclusion but ok.

>I didn't know it would be harder as officer. Explain how it would be?
Just look at it from a numbers perspective. In a full ODA there are 12 men, and only one officer. Simply put there are not many slots to fill, so the cadre at selection and in the course can be extremely picky. I don't know much about SF, but I can tell you about the Ranger Regiment.

There are 3 PLs, an XO and a CO in every company. 5 Officers times 4 companies equals 20 officers on the line. For this example I'm only going to include line officers and not those in staff positions. So with those numbers you have only 60 infantry officers on the line in the whole Regiment. Yes officers move in and out of the battalions quickly, but there are still much less selected every year. The RASP2 class that was going on at the same time as my RASP1 class graduated 4 out of a class of 80 students. To be selected (in RASP) as an enlisted man, you have to pass the requirements, there are no boards or anything like that. You have to be a stud to even make it to RASP 2, and to graduate you have to be the best of the studs. Hopefully someone who was in SF here can shed a little more light on their side of things since it seems like that's what you want to do.

i have lumbaric scoliciosis that is 8 degrees (under the cutting line) and i also had history of a cholesteatoma that was surgically removed. it says on internet that its a DQ but i want to know what people think will happen: will i be able to get a waiver and get in. or wont be able to enlist at all. i want to go army and its the only thing i want to do.... so what will likely happen to me

joined the navy in august last year

how do I do my taxes

>>33077573
get your w2. take it to the h and r block trailer on base

>>33077573
TurboTax

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what underoos do they wear in the different branches? do they wear compression shorts of FTXs? do they make you wear a specific kind?

I cannot do anything reasonably physical without my boxers riding up. compression shorts are what I use.

>>33077972
on FTXs**

>Was asking what my country could do for me
>I should always have been asking what I could do for my country

Don't get it twisted /meg/.

Is killing people fun?

>>33077972
Underwear is for plebians.

I stopped wearing underwear less than 6 weeks into being in the army. I can still remember the day when i asked myself what the fuck i was doing. Never looked back.

>>33077999

Do you really want to find out? Once you know you can't go back.

>>33078009

It's like pringles. Once you pop, the fun don't stop.

>>33078009
Sure, why not

>>33068539
Navy doesn't have a CBRN rate but in the Seabees we get plenty of training about it. And it fucking sucks, MOPP gear is hot as balls and decon takes forever. The only fun thing is playing cheeki breeki dress up.
The training is important because you never know but the drills suck.
Source: Part of my battalions CBRN org

>>33077365
This is how mafia's start

>>33077999
I know people who have killed who don't give a rats ass, other who struggle with it. The majority of it is "ehh, I had a bad dream last night" kind of business. I suppose it depends on the circumstances and how they died

>>33078054

No, the Ndrangheta, Cammoristi, and Cosa Nostra started with criminals being jailed alongside Freemasons who were political prisoners. That's just a racket.

Looking into OCS. Leaning towards Navy right now. I'm more curious about social life, finances, etc.

The websites give you lots of info for sure, but they never answer the important things in life like, wife/gf's, kids. Jobs after the military etc. I have a degree in business with a minor in Econ and a concentration in Finance. Truth be told I fucking hate finance and only did the business degree because I thought I was going to get married to my ex and wanted to provide big bucks for her.
No clue what I really want to do in the military, but definitely want something semi dangerous that I can make a career out of and still enjoy a decent family life.
Havn't talked to recruiters yet because no one can tell me when I would have to go to MEPS and I have THC in my system so I'm trying to flush it out rn.

>>33078000
huh, never even crossed my mind.

do they have regulations for underwear?

>>33078100
Navy anon here. No we don't have underwear regs after bootcamp. As for compression shorts and stuff it's perosnal preference when we go on FTX/FEX and deployment. Some dudes swear by them but I just rock my usual Hanes boxers and shit. Only regs I've ever heard about compression shorts is that in PT gear they can't go past your shorts but that might just be my battalion.

I'm a navy poolee going nuclear subs and my TS clearance got bounced back 2 weeks before I was supposed to leave.

They told me it happened to all the nukes in our district but I checked with some and it hasn't happened to any of them. A few have sworn in after me and are leaving before me.

My dad is .mil still and checked to see what was up and apparently I'm still case open.

Is it because I've been posting bantz here since 2011? I also lived in Japan for near 10 years, and my mom wasn't a citizen until after I was born, had to denounce my citizenship in her home country before I swore in yadda yadda yadda.

I'll be really fucking pissed if I miss out the nuke opportunity because I frequented a Cambodian holiday planning imageboard for all of my adult life.

>>33078127
Did you try asking them?

>>33078127
There should be plenty of time for your clearance to go through while you are still in basic.

>>33078144
They told me it happened to everyone, so I didn't feel like I had any questions to ask.

Then I found out it didn't happen to everyone.

>>33078153
I forgot to mention but I'll be exactly 1 year in DEP the day I ship. Add the two months boot camp and that's 14 months total. Does it normally take that long?

>>33078154
Well idk. Check in with them soon. Also I'm this kid >>33078094
What kind of advice do you have for someone in my position?
Right now I've been chilling at home, working out, reading alot. Quit my job 2 months ago but my finances are starting to dry up. I've got about another 2-3 months before I'm dead broke but I think the weed will be gone by then. Should I go talk to recruiters asap?
Or should I keep working out and reading more, basically preparing.

>>33078127

From what I've heard of others 4chan posting won't get you nixed. I'd be more worried about the mom not being a citizen until after you were born. My mum tried for the CIA (secretarial kind of job). She was born in US to an American father but from probably 1 years old to 14 grew up in switzerland so she's convinced that is what had her security clearance fail as otherwise she was squeaky clean.

When I say 'worry' I don't mean it's a guarantee unless your mom was Iranian or Russian or chinese and the like.

>>33078117
thank you

>>33076696
Here are the steps:
1) CFAT
2) Medical and Interview
3) wait to be on a merit list
4) be on merit list
5) get job offer

Sounds like you're on step 3, that is if you've done 2.

>>33078168
I'd just say keep preparing for a couple months. AFAIK if you get caught with THC in your system they won't let you go back at all so be sure you're flushed 100%.

Unless your folks are helping you out, I'd definitely say get a small job doing something to pass the time. I put my 2 weeks in a month before I was supposed to ship and right after I actually quit, I got my date pushed back 3 months.

>MARINES DESTROY THEIR PORN WITH CEREMONY [VIDEO]

https://youtu.be/S0csrAjchT4

The audacity of these fools, if I join Marine Infantry will I kick it with these mad men?

>>33078376
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjChAEHPGV0

I'm a Comp Sci/Philosophy double major at a top public university, I want to go NAVY OCS after I graduate for an aviation contract. My GPA is probably going to end somewhere around a 3.2-3.4, do I have a competitive shot? I have a decent amount of extracurricular activities and I'll be starting flight lessons in the summer for a private license.

>>33078500
Yes. Private plane license won't help you become a Navy pilot tho.

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Popping joints aren't a red flag at MEPS, are they? My knee has always popped when I crouch down, but it's never hurt or anything.

>>33080336
Not unless it's super absurdly loud. Like disgusting loud.
When I went last month and then had us do the underwear Olympics almost everyone had loud popping joints, including me. Out of 15 they only looked at one dude for it, and they still passed him.
So you'll more likely than not be fine.

>>33075075
>So you are in the military? Cool, what do you do teehee?
>I sit behind a desk and do jack shit all day
>ewww

I'm so fucking sick of you little POG faggots shitting up threads like this

Question for any active duty Air Force Security Forces.

How many days a week and how many hours a day do you work? I'm still debating between active duty and reserves while I go to school.

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What career do you see yourself doing outside the military?

I'm almost 21 and going to join (UK) but I don't really know what I'm going to do after.

What are you yanks planning on?

I like how they brought back two year contracts right as I'm almost done with my four year one.


Guess I'll keep that in the back pocket if WWIII pops off. Do they let prior service guys play 11B?

Army OCS Candidate
99 ASVAB, 141 GT
Shipping for basic in 4 months

Advice?

>>33081188
don't eat The Sandwich

>>33081372

Idk this meme

>>33080697
Thanks bruv.

Grown ass man with no accomplishments, no extra-curriculum, and no important references here...

If I get a degree in E.E, with a 3.2+ GPA, do I even have a shot at OCS?

>>33081070

Finishing my last bit of college online while I'm in using tuition assistance. Then I'm joining the AF reserves, hopefully as a pilot, while I use the GI bill to fund my advanced degrees.

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I got this medal from the LAPD (this pic is from the website) when I was 16 for some vigilante justice.

I'm not enlisted yet, but can I wear it as chest candy when I'm in?

Stupid question, yes I know.

chair force fag here, just got a contract for air traffic control, can any of you old fag describe to me how is life in a tower like???

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>>33081578
pic related

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>>33068605
After AD during ACAP (if that's still a thing) at you final duty station you will have to meet with retention as part of the process. They can place you somewhere as NG or Reserve if there are slots near you wherever you are going afterwards. (HOR gets a free move fyi) A warning, going from AD to part timer will suck the soul out of you.

>>33081578
>Stupid question, yes I know.
So then I'm sure you know the answer

>>33081683
I'm sure it's a lot like being an Army MP on dispatch duty. Just a guess, though.

>>33081512
How grown, and what branch?

>>33081917
>How grown, and what branch?
27, Aviation. USAF, USMC, USN. Whomever will take me to fly.

Otherwise I'd like to be an infantry officer for US Army or USMC.

>>33081188
Just the cliche stuff
-Listen to your platoon sergeant
-Don't think you're the smartest guy because of your degree or ASVAB score. I enlisted as an 11B with a 99 ASVAB with 138 GT, and there were plenty of other enlisted men with scores like that.
-Be a sponge and soak in knowledge from your senior NCOs. They've spent their entire adult lives doing the job you took a crash course in.
-Again, don't act like that your rank puts you "above" any of your soldiers. I mean obviously you are above them, but a quick story about this:
>I knew a PL in an engineer unit in JBLM
>Sensitive item goes missing, hands across the forest goes all day and all night
>PL quits after the first hour because "I'm a 1LT this shit is for stupid joes."
>The PL is home fucking his wife and watching netflix while his platoon is out all night in the freezing rain
>PL is resented by all, gets fired, and leaves the army without making CPT.
on the other hand...
>My first PL helped lower enlisted load and set up targetry, etc every day.
>Was skinny but a beast at rucking and carrying shit
>Genuinely respected by all

-If you are going to be in combat arms, be the best at PT. Not just "I scored a 300", your goal should be being the stud that young soldiers lookup to.

I want a STEAM degree, is A,NA,or AF the most respected/rigorous programs with the good leads into civilian employment?

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>>33081393
wew lad, johnny college over here doesn't know about the sandwich

>>33081393
There's a magic sandwich man who offers you a sandwich at the military entrance processing center. If you are good, they will put genetically modified materials into the sandwich and you will grow big and strong like a roider for the rest of your life. If you are bad, they poison it and your junk shrinks and stops working for a few years.

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>>33072469
>>33076214
>Complete ROTC
>best of the best get active commissions
>rest go into reserve until needed
ok

If you get ROTC scholarship, but don't make the top 2% and don't get active duty, does the gov just pay for your college and let you go live a civilian life?

That actually sounds really lame.

>>33083170
>>33083216
same-fagging?

wtf is this meme? seriously

Should I finish college before enlisting? I'm not interested in being an officer and I've literally go nothing going for me right now, I'll be done with my second semester in a few months and was planning on talking to a recruiter before the next semester picks up so I would have awhile to make up my mind.

>>33081578
snitch

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So, I didn't go to college until my mid-twenties (had to work to take care of younger sibling) and I'm just about to graduate. I wanted to be a Navy SWO or Sub Officer (even though a naval battle is unlikely these days, I've always been really fascinated with both historical and modern naval battle tactics and strategy), but apparently I'll be barely too old by the time I graduate.

That being said, I've also always wanted to serve in the Navy since it's something my grandfather and great-grandfather did. I'm thinking about enlisting (even with a degree) for a term to live that part of my dream before entering the civilian workforce again.
Basically, I'm curious to know which enlisted naval ratings would give me the experience as close to being a SWO as possible or at least involved in tactical decision making?
Obviously none of them will really be the same or do the breadth of things a Surface Warfare Officer does and learns, but what would give me a similar job?

I was looking into Operations Specialist since they seem to be kind of CIC generalists that do a bit of radar monitoring, assisting the QM with navigating, tracking potential targets and advising the officer I'm tactical scenarios. Would this be the rating that would be most like what I'm looking for?
I also looked into Fire Controlman, which seems to be fairly interesting since they get to work on targeting and firing the larger weapons.

Any advice would be very much appreciated.

>>33083306
You'd go into the Reserves or NG

I haven't done a PFA ever and looking over the packet I've just gotten I need to schedule a "PHA" before I can do the PFA. Trouble is I have absolutely no idea how to do that. Anyone know who I'm supposed to contact?

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Can someone shed some light on how a 68W gets a CMB

Does someone in your unit have to get injured? Or do you just have to be there while attaining direct fire? If some fuck fuck sprains his ankle while under fire do you get it or what

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>>33083887
I thought ROTC was branch specific. So if you entered in the nrotc you could end up in the national guard?

what does being in the officer reserves actually mean though. Is it like enlisted reserves where you only show up one weekend a month?

>>33084000
Pretty sure you get one if you're present during a firefight. Whether fighting yourself or helping an injured friendly.

>>33083655
Bump, anybody?

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>>33084000
there needs to be a marsoc pepe NOW

>>33083424
don't listen to >>33083216 he's just fucking with you. you should be fine

just don't eat the sandwich, that simple

Does the Quartermaster (QM) in the USN still do navigation and other traditional shit like that? Do they steer the ship?

That stuff sounds fun

>>33085188
QM's mostly navigate, plot courses, stand watches and clean when there's nothing else to do.

>>33085584
That sounds pretty chill

Currently filling out my packet for USMC PLC, I'm in college (sophomore) good grades and physically fit. I'm going to OCS twice for 6 weeks Junior summer and senior summer. My Captain is putting aviation on my contract, has anyone had experience in this? I really wanna fly and would do anything to not be stuck with drones.

PSA:

Don't be a Navy Nuke

Sincerely, A Mechanic in Prototype

>>33069499
Holy shit. Infantry still exists? I thought all combat was done by special forces now. What does infantry do nowadays? Guard duty?

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Alright guys I'm in need of some guidance here. I've been seriously thinking of joining the military since October and between college and life bullshit it's been slow going. Recently though I took the ASVAB with the army after deciding ( I signed absolutely no legally binding paperwork) to go inna army. I took the test and apparently I did pretty well (pic related). Now I'm not so sure I want to join the army even if I could get either of the MOS' I originally wanted, 37F or 11B op40, or whether or not I want to do either of those MOS' if I were to choose the army. I'm capable of physically doing every job available to enlisted except SF(Not 20) with a few months of training and I'd like to think I'm smart and competent enough mentally to do any job. I'm really just kind of lost now on what I should be looking at doing, I want to do something challenging and that's going to either make me work my ass off either mentally or physically, possibly even both. If I have to become an officer to do it that's not too big an issue. Right now I just need some suggestions guys and I'm open to looking into anything in any branch. If anybody wants to help me out with some ideas I'd be really grateful, thanks guys.

>>33068114
Is it worth becoming a PJ? I read deployments are only 3 months. And I actually want to get my feet wet not just sit around in a desk all day.

>>33086506

>AFSOC
>Deployments only three months
>sit around in a desk all day

You're all kinds of mixed up.

>>33078100
Yes, Army regulations state that you must wear underwear and mandate type and color.

c. Drawers (male).
(1) Type. Drawers are clothing bag issue items.
(2) Description. The drawers are brown, in brief length.
(3) How worn. Males will wear drawers with all uniforms. Either the brief or boxer style drawers are authorized for wear. Males also may wear commercially purchased brief or boxer versions of drawers, in white, brown, or other neutral colors.

>>33086379
This sounds like something you need a bit of time to reflect right now. Your question is pretty broad and I don't think anybody can provide a good definitive answer. I suggest doing research into each branch, find what interests you and then narrow your research into whatever it is. Start over and do the same thing again. Keep going, and read posts or watch videos from actual servicemembers.

>>33083306
No, you get fucked into a reserve contract.

Then you never get a job ever because you chose a degree in history or phys ed or other useless shit because you thought your major wouldn't matter in the Army and because you thought the higher GPA from your bullshit degree would give you a better chance at an active commission.

You spiral into depression, alcoholism, and eventually commit suicide.

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>>33087411
>you get fucked into a reserve contract.
What does this actually require you to do though?

I was actually planning on getting an engineering degree. If I only have to show up 1 weekend a month I could live a civilian life with free college and no debt, even though I want to be an officer.

Does enlisting as a slightly older recruit (25) affect what kinds of jobs you'll be likely to get?

Someone convince me not to go full debil dawg.

>>33088126

I would, but I might be about to go full debil dawg instead of going Air Force.

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>>33087921
>>33084024
>>33083306
I feel like kind of a retard but I can not find ANYTHING on what the duty of a reserve officer is.

Literally nothing. No requirements, no hours/rolls nothing.

>>33086379
You're a bright kid with a good head on your shoulders.
You really got to sit down and do some internal reflection. Why the military? Is that really what you want to do?
And if it is you have to plan your career. Will you use your military training and schooling to jump start your formal career? Will you use it to finish your college for free? Or will you stay in the military and make it your formal career?
Don't forget each branch has its pros and cons. With an asvab score like that and presumably some college credits under your belt, you'll have the recruiters fighting for you. Comftyist is the air force, and the most suck is the Marine Corps.
Best of luck with whatever path you choose.

MEPS Question

22 years old

I had a corrected hernia from when I was 16
Slight Heart Murmor diagnosed in early teens (probably gone)
Slight Hearing Loss in left ear
Tendon Subluxation in wrist

I know for a fact I'll have to get a waiver for the hernia although it's been fixed years ago. But what are my chances? Thinking about tech related job in the Air Force.

is it just a meme that muhreen DI's are tougher than army DS's?

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>>33089489
Not the guy youre replying to but....

>Why the military?
I feel a tremendous sense of duty and love for my country like never before - I'm a little on the older side 26, would hate to regret it soon enough. My pops was in the Marines.

I want to be an Infantryman, would see it as a career if I advance to SOF.

GI Bill is a big plus, will use it (100%) to get a masters in E.E.

I want to join the Marine Corps - commission (first) or enlisted.

>>33086012
LOL you think protofloat's awful, wait till you get 2da fleet

>>33090473
If you already have a degree you would be stupid to not commission.

>>33069499
This. FUCK POGs

>>33072904

They do but it's the dipstick test that is a bit easier to beat. The MEPS test is a true lab test though so you better be clean by then.

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I'm determined to become a flight warrant officer. I want to leave for basic in the summer of 2018 (I will have completed my undergraduate degree by then); should I see a recruiter and begin the application process soon? Like within the month?

Hey, so I'm hearing some hard to believe things about piloting.

On the one hand I'm being told that active duty Air Force pilots aren't getting to log enough flight hours because of being tied down with administrative bullshit. On the other hand I'm being told that Reserve and Air National Guard pilots are getting to log way more hours of flight time if they want it, and are being called up to deploy as often or even more often than the regular active duty guys.

Is there truth to this?

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what happens if I go to basic and don't make any friends

>>33091915
you keep posting here

>>33091725
Chances are much better with a commission than trying to become warrant pilot.

>>33090062
No. Even navy RDCs are tougher than Army DS's.

>>33087933
No.

>>33091915
I didn't make any friends when I went. I didn't hate anybody, I've just never been a social person

>>33091985
This doesn't answer my question.

>>33092286

>Not my President is already fucking the military over

It's almost like he has no idea how to be President.

>>33092310
lmao, you are a fucking retard.

>cant hire people for DAY CARE
>ruining the military

PICK ONE

>>33092310
>federal spending is out of control!
>hey, you can't cut MY programs!

How much do you have to yell/shout in Navy boot camp? I sound autistic when I raise my voice or shout

>>33092331
>federal spending is out of control
>fucker is embezzling federal funds like a fat bitch sucking down diet coke

>>33092361
AUTISM

>>33092310

Its a fucking daycare. Its exactly the type of thing that should be closing to save us money. People who are married and/or have children shouldn't even be allowed in the military anyway, or at least should have to wait until the end of their first contract.

>>33092324
>>33092331

You guys are pretty fucking goofy.

>>33092383

>People who are married and/or have children shouldn't even be allowed in the military anyway

There goes the entire senior NCO corps and half the officers.

>>33068114
>try to enlist in army
>find out I got diagnosed with depression when I was 15
>try to explain I was a lonely nofriends virgin through most of highschool and it bummed me out enough that my parents forced me to the doctor
>tell them I havent had "symptoms" since and my doctor even considered me remissed
>they still tell me to gtfo
And thats how helicopter parenting fucks lives up. Now the question is, will Nasty Girl still accept me, or failing that can I try another branch and just not tell them?

>>33068114
how do I tell my sister that getting married to a boot Marine is a bad decision (he's graduating tomorrow)

>>33092402
how important do you seriously think free daycare is?

>>33092520

How important do you think the schools overseas are where DoD civilians teach military brats who can't enroll in the local school system? How important do you think numerous miscellaneous support workers in various functions, such as the people who run the bx, are? How important do you think sealift command is?

It's like just because Trump did it you choose to overlook any negatives.

>>33092547
well those aren't very important either, but then why don't they just get rid of that as well as free daycare?

>>33092569

>He doesn't even know what sealift command is
>Doesn't realize that we'd hemorrhage most of our senior people if we axed the school systems

I can't tell if you're very, very stupid or merely trolling at this point... wait, it's both. If you are trolling then you're being very, very stupid by dedicating your time to pissing off others by supporting a Russian puppet placed into the position of POTUS just for the sake of "Librul tears". If you aren't trolling then you are unironically stupid.

>>33092631
holy shit dude, you are projecting VERY hard there.

And he never even said he didnt know what they were, that makes you look even more retarded.

>russian puppet "PLACED" into the POTUS
You got any proof that russia changed the outcome of the election?

Anyone here get a lower score on the real ASVAB than the practice? I got an 80 on the practice but when I took the real test I was completely hopeless on the mechanical/electric sections.

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>>33068114
Who else here /GoArmyReady/, as a cuckold the American military sounds like the place for me.

>>33093135
Shit like this makes me glad I can't trust females.

Hey /meg/ what are warrant officers in all of the branches that have them?

>>33093110
I got 83 on the mini practice test, then 92 on the actual one

>>33093110
I got 84 on the practice and a 99 on the real one after studying up a bit, probably should've read up on the mechanical side if you were like me and never worked with machines ever.

>>33093135

Scuzzy bitches look for an easy dependa ride on the military dick. If you're smart enough not to go in with a girlfriend or marry the first stripper who sucks your dick at the club off base then you're fine.

>>33093578
>>33093271
Its her right to do so, if she cheats on me and takes half of my shit, leading to my eventual suicide, that's HER right, HER freedom, can't wait to die for that in some third world shithole, amirite guys?

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28 male here

I'm enlisting in the Army to be a CID Agent under the new direct ascension pilot program.

I know nothing is guaranteed, but where do you guys recommend I request my first post be? I'm considering JBL since I have family in Tacoma. Also the USAF qts

Thanks in advance

>>33094276
;_;