There are 7,500,000 of them in America. The Remington 700 i

>>33054786
>The 2nd amendment doesn't let the government recall guns like they would a stroller or a toy with lead in it.

those companies issue recalls

>>33054786
>remingtons sales tank more than even now when people find out of the OOB firing
>this gives remington incentive to unfuck the design and recall the rifles
winchester did it with their 1893/1897 shotguns.
they knew people were gonna put smokeless instead of black powder in the 93s and blew them up so they let owners of 93s trade them in for a free 97, and then destroyed the 93s.
wouldn't be surprised if it happened with these.

>People have died from being infront of a loaded rifle
That's their own fault

Free market fixes it by allowing customers to sue the company for damages and shit

Or you can follow gun safety and assume your loaded and active weapon could fire at any time, especially on a fucking bolt action

>>33054880
>allowing customers to sue
How can you sue if your dead? It seems pretty abominable to let this knowingly happen or at least continue.

>>33054786
>How will the free market fix this?
If Bubba Fudd doesn't want to shoot his son in the face he won't buy one.

>>33054786

OP is an angry libshit spamming this copypasta bait

see:
>>113443977

>>33054786
>being in front of a loaded rifle
>fucking with a loaded rifle while sucking on the barrel
>He didn't play with the trigger we swear!

>>33054948
>what are families
>what are estates
Also, plenty of guns on the market have a tendency to go off, that's why the first thing you learn is never point a loaded weapon at someone, especially if you already cycled the fucking bolt

>>33054786
The walker trigger did nothing wrong.

>>33054786
>NEVER POINT THE GUN AT ANYTHING YOU DO NOT INTEND TO DESTROY

>>33054786
I wonder how many of those assholes fucked with their x mark trigger.

700s don't just go off.

Someone should tell CBS the Army's M24 and Marines M40s are built on 700 actions.

>>33055004
What if someone was out of line of sight? What if a ricochet hit someone. At what point do you think selling a defective dangerous gun is okay?

>Oh sorry your loved one got killed by our "mistake"
>This money will totally bring them back

>>33055059

exactly thats what i dont get

>>33055082
If you're out of line of sight, you're most likely out of line of fire. Frankly I can't see a situation where you're doing everything right and getting hit by a misfire, especially since this is a bolt action rifle that you have to manually cycle to set the pin. You know when it's dangerous to be around and so should everyone else. If you still manage to get hurt after knowingly loading and cocking it, you must be a special kind of retarded.

>At what point do you think selling a defective dangerous gun is okay?
>>33055224

Answer that one friend. Any gun sold should be safe to leave loaded.

>>33055249
>should be safe to leave loaded
Why do you think this? And why do you think it should be safe while COCKED AND SET TO FIRE

>>33055249
>leaving a durr rifle loaded
why?

it's not like it's an effective home defense gun, it's slow and meant for long range

>>33055408
Guns SHOULD not go off unless the trigger is pulled.
>>33055414
Just because someone doesn't agree with your hd ideas(not that I disagree). It doesn't mean they deserve to put themselves and others in danger due to a manufacturer putting out a defective gun.

>>33054786

Remington DID recall the rifles for potentially unsafe triggers both in Canada and the USA you dumb lie spreading piece of shit.

https://xmprecall.remington.com/

>>33054786
Are they that bad nowadays?
I remember the 700 being pretty good.

>>33054786

>listening to CBS for anything gun related

>>33055249
That's like saying it should be ok to leave your car idling in the garage all the time.

It's a fucking stupid thing to say, do, or think.

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>people will defend Remington

Watch the video. In 1975 their own internal tests showed the fucking gun could go off by itself and they still sold it. This is the Ford Pinto all over again.

>>33055468
But they do time and time again. Almost every design ever has had misfires, some more commonly than others. I know you have never owned firearms because the first thing you learn is to treat a gun like it will go off at any time. Please educate yourself before posting here again

>>33055049
I don't intend to destroy my roof or my fucking wall, so where the fuck am I supposed to point it?

There was a recall in 2014 dipshit.

>>33054786
That video was actually extremely reasonable and I say this as someone who has a short trigger for anti-gun agenda pushing.

No anti gun agenda, just stating the pure facts about how Remington is fucking retarded. Buy any gun you want, just don't support that shit company.

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>buying remshit
>buying a push feed bolt action
>defending remshit

>>33054786

>Designs are flawed
>Mechanical things break
>People die for stupid reasons

Welcome to real life.

>>33055688
Unload it, sell it, and buy a Winchester model 70 like you should have in the first place.

Protectionism is truly the cancer of American industries

>>33054786
B-b-but it's a REMINGTON!!!! How could this even happen!!1!1!

>>33055249
All guns are safe to leave loaded. It's up to the owners not to point a loaded gun at something they're not willing to destroy.

>>33055818
>all guns are safe to leave loaded
What is a nambu for 500 Alex?

>>33055688
The gentleman slightly misstated the 2nd Rule of Gunhandling, which reads:

"RULE 2: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY."

"You may not wish to destroy it, but you must be clear in your mind that you are quite ready to if you let that muzzle cover the target. To allow a firearm to point at another human being is a deadly threat, and should always be treated as such."

From Jeff Cooper's"Commentaries", Volume 6, Number 2.

You you may not want to destroy your wall, but if you did you'd be basically OK with it.

>>33055861
>you you may not...
Fuckin' phone.

>>33054786

>1776+241
>buying remshit

>>33054786
So what, mechanically, design-wise, is actually wrong with the 700 action?

Other pushfeed bolt actions (Savage, etc) don't have this kind of problem. What is the defect in design that makes the 700 just go boom sometimes?

I haven't owned one or detail stripped one.

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>>33055765

they have ALOT more to answer for

>why is the post 2009 Remington bolts and receivers utter shit
>why are the barrels made of pot metal
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

they got to big for their britches and got fucking lazy when Cerberus came in and they said

>lel budget cuts nigga

>>33054786
You're stupid right?

http://1057news.com/remington-recalls-model-700-and-model-seven-rifles/

>>33055059
>>33055099

Apparently it's a defect with the production, some sort of cosmoline-like jamming up the mechanisms. The recalled rifles get a thorough cleaning and sent back.

>>33055969
the guy who designed the rifle said it was shit and said they should have included a trigger lock(and the company said that would have been objectively the best design) but remington didnt do it because it would have cost 5 cents more per rifle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS_GDpZM3ak

around 24:40 when they talk with the guy who designed the rifle

>>33055897
Apparently there's 2 issues in play here. This is based on 30 minutes of google and forum browsing, so it's all subject to verification.

Earlier 700s had a Walker Fire Control System trigger group. This had a number of adjustments that the user could make, including trigger break weight. Users were adjusting their triggers to 1 pound or less, rendering the rifle likely to fire in a strong breeze even with the safety engaged.

Remington got enough complaints about the Walker trigger that they replaced it with the XMP trigger. This apparently had a manufacturing flaw whereby you could engage the safety, squeeze the trigger and have the gun fire when you released the safety. Somehow, too much bonding agent in the trigger group assembly process was the culprit.

That's my understanding of the issue.

>>33055468
yeh nah. Plenty of benchrest guns have triggers so light a bees dick can set them off.

dont point a loaded gun somewhere where it will cause harm and you will be safe from cauaing harm forever.

A serving military mate of mine had an ND when hunting at the camp once. Because he isnt a complete retard it went harmleslly into a tree and not the car or me.

>>33054786
someone watched 60 minutes

>>33056096
Are the barrels still really good?

>>33054820
>>The 2nd amendment doesn't let the government recall guns like they would a stroller or a toy with lead in it.

>doesn't let the government recall

>government recall

The Government doesn't have the power to recall shit dumbass. It's left up to the company to unfuck itself.

>>33054786
>How will the free market fix this?

Buy a better trigger obviously. I'm still not paying over $800 for a mostly plastic rifle.

>>33055735

i just wanted a marlin 795, but remshit makes them.

See, this is why you buy Savage and Winchester.
>remshit700 is a meme
>if the US military uses it, don't buy it
>if the police use it DEFINITELY avoid it

>>33056326
Dunno. Both of my 700s were made before 1980, I'm pretty happy with them

>>33054786
As much as I love this country, don't ever buy American guns or cars. Not sure wtf we're doing wrong but we're definitely doing it wrong. Unless they improve, fuck em.

>>33054786
>How will the free market fix this?
We have a free market?

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>>33056173
>my retard buddy's negligent discharge is okay
>but if your gun fails mechanically and fires you're a retard

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>>33054786
It's not someone shooting up a school so couldn't you sue?

>>33057210
off the top of my head: Springfield, Smith and Wesson, Ruger and pretty much every AR manufacturer are from America and all make fine firearms. Cot makes good stuff too, it's just overpriced as fuck

>>33055671
>40 years ago

>Only now people are up in arms

Something is fishy, the pinto was off the market pretty quick when the shit came out.

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Nothing made by Remington is good.
>the ammo
>the bolt actions
>the shotguns
>the AR

Reminder that they are the retards who thought .223 pump action rifles whas a good idea.

>>33056173
The 60 minutes story covered an incident where a rifle went off indoors, traveled across the street, and killed a 16 year old girl.

>>33055059
>700s don't just go off.
Yes they do


https://youtu.be/oS_GDpZM3ak

>>33054786
>government recall
kys dumb fuck companies issue recalls not the government. Occasionally a company is compelled to recall by consumer protection but MOST recalls are voluntary.

Also I have 3 Remington 700s, and I've been shooting them for years, never heard of this shit.

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Non american made guns master race.
Pre 1970s American guns are top notch tho.

>>33054886
this a million times. you dont point ANY weapon at anything you dont want to kill.