Why is the "hurrrr French surrender monkies" meme so

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I agree

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>>33035292
>>33035321
>t. frogs

>>33035292
> Thinking people care about wars that happened more than a hundred years ago

> WWI, France won but the army mutinied near the end
> WWII, France backed down from rhineland, had good tanks but couldn't use them, advanced into Rhineland but then just stopped, got wrecked and didn't even join UK - incompetent generals and weak politics. Collaborated with Nazis instead.
> Vietnam

>>33035292
>tfw you never be in the foreign legion and command a nignog mercenary army for a warlord

>>33035426
> Algeria

>>33035292

The French have historically had good armed forces. The problem is that within the past 100 years or so, their performance has been kind of underwhelming. I can't fault them for that though. Unlike most other European powers they actually use their armed forces from time to time for French interests and there are some times when they win and other times when they lose.

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>>33035292
1940 Germany called, Hitler said your shits all retarded.

You can't just ride off of Napoleon's legacy forever.

>>33035292
France lost the war that mattered, and in a hilariously bad way. Stay salty.

>>33035426
> Franco-Prussian was

Besides WW1 you have to go back to the fucking Crimean war to find the last time the French won anything.

>>33035292
Fuck normies is about the only thing to be said. The general populace is not concerned with complexities, so they are content to accept the "French surrender" bulletpoint without bothering to understand the mechanisms behind it. It was a meme floated ever since WW2, but I think the reason it still survives is because of a media push to resurrect it during early OIF when France didn't want to join the roadtrip (remember freedom fries and other embarrassing faggotry?).
Honestly though, Americans relationship with the french has always been weird. The US as we know it wouldn't have existed without french intervention, plus had American observers been paying attention in french Indochina then plenty of losses could have been avoided in the Vietnam war. I guess the whole US has a bit of a complex about it.

>>33035472
We were never really that tight with France. They helped us fight England because it was a common enemy. The enemy of your enemy is your friend.

>>33035472
Appeasing France was why we let them fuck around in Indochina, then when they got BTFO pleaded us to intervene. We get involved and they cut and run and exited NATO altogether. If we'd been paying attention we'd have said fuck the French and let Ho Chi Mihn get elected before he sought ComBloc support.

>>33035292
France's success is only thanks to the Legion.

>>33035449
And they didn't even win WW1, they held the line until America came to bail them out.

its classic deflection. the burgers were late for both world wars, so whenever other countries bring up that shameful fact, america motions to france and stutters out an awkward "heh, w-well this guy tapped out early, m-make fun of him, not m-me" and then goes to hide in his room.

>>33035539
Frog,why are you trying to shift the focus of the discussion?

You know what is shameful frog?Losing in 30 days against only one opponent despite having good defensive terrain when Poland lasted 35 days against both USSR and the nazis.

Shameful is the idiot De Gaulle yelling on the airwaves the most important war secret of the western front.Even more shameful is the same idiot marching in Paris and making that cringeworthy speech.

Shameful are the action of the retards of the french resistance,who tried to kill each other more than killing the nazis

Shameful is the existence of the Vichy government.

Mers-El-Kebir was justified,Dudley did nothing wrong.James Somerville do it again!

>>33035846

>Shameful is the idiot De Gaulle yelling on the airwaves the most important war secret of the western front

Details? Never heard of this before.

>>33035539
America's mistake was getting involved at all. Europe isn't our continent, why should we be so eager to join wars there?

>>33035292
The media spread it around after 9/11 because France didn't want to follow America into Iraq.

I find it quite interesting how they blame France for being surrender faggots when it took 4 years of total war and dozens of millions of soviet casualties to stop the nazis

>>33035940
Any news on the mass destruction weapons that were supposed to threaten the entire world?

Americucks have a very loose view of reality and have no idea how many millions of white americans are victimized every year
Also they have all convinced themselves that when they fled cities 40 years ago, that wasn't for racial reasons

>>33035448
This tbqh, getting rekt in the big one on home soil is a lot more memorable than rekting some third worlders in their shithole

>>33035997
Wut? You win the French Retard award. Try to post again.

>>33035940
>The media spread it around after 9/11
It started in 2003.

>>33035508
>We get involved and they cut and run
More like
>we get involved years after we left them out to dry

>>33035961
Don't forget they blame only France for losing in 1940 (where nazis went through Belgium and beat not only french army but also british army).
That kind of person don't get the trauma of WWI (with entire cities and villages wiped out) but burst into tears if you talk about 9/11...

>>33036019
Which is after 9/11.

>>33036019
Is 2003 not after 9/11?

>>33035939
Because the USA has always been run by leftists/communists and needed to destroy European civilization

>>33036042

Boom Shaka laka

>>33035508
Oh, and Ho Chi Minh was always a commie.
>>33035536
>wwI
>US bailing out anything
The US intervention only made the victory faster. Which ironically is maybe why we ended up with a WW2 at all. If the war had been allowed to run its course with a Germany invasion it would have completely ruined the entire "muh stab in the back" the Germans gobbled up.

>>33035846
>You know what is shameful frog?Losing in 30 days against only one opponent despite having good defensive terrain
>good defensive terrain
>northeastern France

>Shameful is the idiot De Gaulle yelling on the airwaves the most important war secret of the western front
How could he have been telling something he wasn't even made aware off you lying tard?
>Shameful are the action of the retards of the french resistance,who tried to kill each other more than killing the nazis
And shameful are the allies who killed more French civilians than the germans did in 1940?

>Shameful is the existence of the Vichy government.
With which the US were VERY happy to deal, even so far as trying to prop up a Vichy admiral against De Gaulle.
Fuck off you ginormous faggot.

>>33036042
>>33036034
Yes, and 2002 is also after 9/11 and is not included.
Why?
You started going full retard after being told to fuck off at the UN. Before that, it was all sucking each other's dicks and invading Afghanistan.

France has lost more men in a single battle than the US has lost in its bloodiest war. Can't blame them for being cautious about getting into wars.

>>33036131
Typical for somebody who is stupide...
Debate over Iraq war lasted until early 2003. In march, the invasion began.
In 2002, french were involved in A-stan war and was considered as a trusty ally. Until De Villepin said that an invasion could destabilize the middle east and critiques toward the french started to arise...

>>33036055
Then America's delay in involving itself was America resisting leftist/communist rule. So why is that a bad thing? The only bad thing is that we joined at all, not that we joined late.

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The French were good a long time ago just like the Mongols were good a long time ago. Now they're both irrelevant.

>>33036066
How would you describe the german revolution of 1918–19

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>>33035445
>The problem is that within the past 100 years or so, their performance has been kind of underwhelming.
Even that is false. French troops were quite good in WWII. It was the French who held off Rommel for 3 weeks to allow Monty to regroup and defeat Rommel.

>>33035448
>France lost the war that mattered
Which war is that? France won WWII. Full stop.
>and in a hilariously bad way. Stay salty.
That's Germany. They started a war and it crippled their nation.

>>33037044
Why do the French use the legion every time they try to defend their honour.

The legion aren't Frenchmen.

>>33037069
The Free French forces weren't just FFL, nor did the FFL constitute the majority of forces at Bir Hakeim.

>The legion aren't Frenchmen.
They are since that's the reason most join the FFL. They are apart of the French army. Stop being so obtuse.

>>33037069
>The legion aren't Frenchmen.
They literally are. That's the reason most joined the Legion, you get French citizenship. Also, while many of the enlisted might be foreigners, the officer corps always has been and still is mostly ethnic Frenchmen

>>33037121
This, also many criminal join the Legion to avoid prison

>>33037069
In the foreign legion, everybody abandon their native nationality (even frenchmen; they sign under a neighbour nationality).
They become french with their blood and sweat, but that's a thing you can't understand.

>>33037135
Investigation is led beforehand, blood crimes are usually a no-go.

>>33035292
>Why is the "hurrrr French surrender monkies" meme so prevalent among normies?
refusal to participate in the 2002 invasion of iraq

thats literally it

before then, the french had the reputation of being bitter salty entitled shitters who start rioting at the drop of a hat, and their military performance wasn't a point of contention among normies. but ask anyone about visiting paris, and anyone who'd been there would (and still does) complain that everyone is rude and tries to start shit with you over nothing

>>33037135
thats no longer true, they now actually vet people. it's still not hard to join based on your background but they don't accept known criminals

and it's not like your average western gangbanger or drug dealer is going to join the FFL over going to prison for a couple years

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>>33035445
They did most of the fighting in the western front in WW1 and they fared really well.

>>33037069
My grandfather emigrated from Hungary after the revolutin in 56' and joined the Legion. He's 92 now but he's stil would break your jaw if you say him he's not french.
He earned that unlike those who just happened to born in it

>>33035292
France collapsed after 6 weeks of fighting Germany. Germany collapsed after 6 years of fighting the world. The French collapse was so sudden and brutal and unexpected, really, even among the Germans that it forever shattered the military prestige that France had until that. Clausewitz had called Bonaparte the God of War himself. But 130 years later there's nothing left of that glory. It is forever nullified by the way in which France fought the second world war. Namely by trying to fight it like the first world war and being completely oblivious to the changes and innovations brought to war by Germany.

>>33037044
>France won WWII. Full stop.
Actually, France lost WWII twice. First against the German invasion and then against the Allied invasion. More French soldiers died fighting alongside the Wehrmacht than against them.

>>33037246
>France collapsed after 6 weeks of fighting Germany. Germany collapsed after 6 years of fighting the world.
And yet, France fought on for 6 more years and won the war, unlike Germany who got split apart and half of it's nation ripped from her.

>>33035426
>> WWI, France won but the army mutinied near the end

Wut? Errr... You should read more books... And, good one... French Army wanted to continue WW1 till they get to Berlin, especially when offensive of 1918 were great success, and german army was going down.

>>> WWII, France backed down from rhineland, had good tanks but couldn't use them, advanced into Rhineland but then just stopped, got wrecked and didn't even join UK - incompetent generals and weak politics. Collaborated with Nazis instead.

Ok, this is bait...

>>33037135
>>33037121
No that's incorrect.

You only receive French citizenship if you serve 5 years and ask for it upon leaving.

NO SERVING LEGIONNAIRE IS A FRENCH CITIZEN

It goes against the whole rules of the legion.

>>33037151
>They become french with their blood and sweat
No they don't, I'm actually joining later this year.

Most legionnaires don't accept the French citizenship and return to their home countries upon termination, they become legionaries through blood and sweat.

>>33037314
>NO SERVING LEGIONNAIRE IS A FRENCH CITIZEN
prove it

>>33037228
Then he must have accepted citizenship upon leaving, he was never a Frenchman during his serving years.

>>33035292
What is WWII?

Nobody gives a shit about some random battle in the hundred years war. They fucked the big one.

>>33035449
What's the last war America won, again?

>>33037321
Apart from the officers and the French guys who pretend they're from Belgium etc

Go to Nimes and ask to see their French passports.

>>33037321
It's literally in their rules.

>>33037228
My cat was born in an aquarium, does that make him a fish?

>>33035997
spot on actually.

>>33035520
Which is funny because if you read anything about the legion the french treat them like utter shit.

>>33037347
Exactly, because they're not Frenchmen. Which is why they've never retreated and always fought to the last for their other legionnaires.

The Legion always put the Legion first, France second.

>>33037303
Nothing he said was false. The French leadership in WWII was absolutely retarded. They waited to reinforce the Belgian border until the last possible minute. Their tanks were actually just as good as the Germans, but the French still viewed tanks as breakthrough weapons that acted in conjunction with infantry, and failed to see the point of using them en masse. They left a massive gap in their defenses in the Ardennes and left it defended with only 10 visions of very, very poorly equipped conscripts. And then even as France was falling, they refused to really ask for Britain's intervention until the last minute when it was too late, and then had the audacity to claim that the Brits "abandoned them."

The French were cocky motherfuckers before the War and even afterwards they somehow maintain an aura of superiority about it.

And yes, the political climate in France before WWII was absolutely worthless. Constant infighting amidst factions, communists and fascists fighting in the streets, and THREE separate occasions where France was actually without a government.

Nothing that that anon said was bait, you're just retarded. I would really like to know which "history books" you've read about the Battle of France. The author didn't happen to have the name "De Gaulle" or "Gamelin" did he?

>>33037319
French nationality is obtainable after three years of active service or for blood shed for the nation.
That's right, they can refuse the nationality and just obtain the resident status (AFAIK they tend more to adopt the nationality than refusing it).

>>33037341
That's a non argument, if you give birth in a country your child gets citizenship that's a basic right.
If you come from Pakistan and get a french citizenship then your a french citizen. You can still call yourself a pakistani but the fact are that your a french citizen.

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>>33037328
>What is WWII?
A war in which France won.

>>33037347
>>33035520
and if you actually *know* anything about the legion, then you're both basically full of shit.

>>33037297
>>33037295

>>33037372
>it's your right to be a citizen of somewhere just because your mother happened to be there when she squeezed you out
False

>>33037369
I've heard it's really hard to obtain for serving Legionnaires. Most who receive it, do so upon leaving.

>>33037373
Poland done more for the war effort then France.

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>>33037408
Sure they did, Pyotr. Sure they did...

>>33037400
but that's the way it is, dosen't matter if your parents are illegal immigrants if you born on the country soil you are considered a citizen

>>33037368
Blame Belgium. They're the ones that decided to fuck over France in 1935 by making a separate peace treaty with Germany. Before that they had a treaty with France to mutually defend the border with Germany. It's why the Maginot line wasn't intended to be on the Belgium/French border. They didn't have enough time to build up their defenses on the low lands of northern France.
>>33037390
>>33037295
That's bullshit. There was only one French division that fought on the German side and it was Waffen SS, not Wehrmacht.

>>33037401
Well, you can obtain it after three years minimum, but you got to be worthy.
Not only you got to have good evaluations on a military level, but you got to show some evidence that you can integrate french society (mastering french language is a small part of this).

>>33037135
Hello 1980's

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>>33037408
France had the 4th largest army at the end of WWII. The new French divisions allowed the Americans to divert more attention towards Japan.

>>33037331

Granada in the 80's.
Operation Desert Storm in the 90's.

>>33037331
Desert Storm.

Complete and total military domination in under 6 months, no follow-on mission creep, all military and political goals met.
>whether those goals were dumb is a separate argument

>>33037373

Romania and Italy also won that war if we go by that logic.

>>33037445

Tell me what battles did those units win.

>>33037450
You could make an argument about korea, sure the country is still split in half but S. Korea is a technological and economical powerhouse thanks to the American efforts there.

>>33037135
not anymore, especially not nowadays when they're swarmed in candidates

>>33037476
There is a big difference between switching sides at the very end, with very little of your nation fighting with the Allies, than having forces fight with the Allies from the start to the end of the war.

>>33037044
>France won WWII. Full stop.
Nigger are you serious?
>get absolutely steamrolled in a matter of months
>unconditionally surrender your entire nation
>be occupied for multiple years
>more French citizens killed fighting FOR the "enemy" than fighting AGAINST them. Not working for, fighting for.
>get liberated by the rest of the Allies
>sit around pulling your pud the entire rest of the war doing fuck all militarily despite being literally handed men and materiel

The French Resistance was not a uniformed military (and contained very few soldiers or former soldiers), it was not led by a Frenchman, had more non-French in it than it had French (ty Belgium), and was 100% reliant on Allied supplies and intel.

Saying France won WW2 is like saying Bangladesh won the Gulf War despite only having a single advisor in country.

>>33037484
Koufra
Bir Hakeim
Normandy
Liberation of south France
Crossing of the Rhin to the eagle nest

>>33037505
>more French citizens killed fighting FOR the "enemy" than fighting AGAINST them. Not working for, fighting for.
Asspull: the post. Knowing that the number of volunteers for the eastern front never got over something like 7000, not even a credible asspull.
FAKE FACTS. SAD!

>The French Resistance was not a uniformed military (and contained very few soldiers or former soldiers), it was not led by a Frenchman, had more non-French in it than it had French (ty Belgium), and was 100% reliant on Allied supplies and intel.
>the French Resistance
>the French Resistance
Let's carefully ignore the million and a half uniformed French troops who participated in the liberation of France and the invasion of Germany.
Details, details...
Arguing about history is better when you at least have a grasp of basic facts.

>>33037505
>Saying France won WW2 is like saying Bangladesh won the Gulf War despite only having a single advisor in country.

Interesting... So we can remove america from the winners of WWI, I guess...

>>33035292
Go eat some cheese you fucking baguette

>>33037519

>He adds Bir Hakeim and Koufra even though those were French Foreign Legion
>He adds Normandy yet the French did fuck all
>He adds Liberation of South France though the US carried most of that
>And then he has the balls to add the Crossing of the Rhine

Let me reformulate froggie, I meant battles won on their own.

>>33037341
No because fish is a different species altogether. your cat is an "aquariumian" tho

>>33037519
>French uniformed military
>taking part in the battle of Normandy
Nope.jpg

The Free French forces were 100% committed to securing French colonies in Africa.

And here's the source.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_France#The_Tide_Turns

The French did not submit a single combat troop to the invasion of Normandy, there were 2 Free French advisors (who got patently ignored by everybody) in the planning stages.
And here's my source for that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normandy_landings#Allied_order_of_battle

>>33037502

Romania had two armies fighting alongside the Soviets and Italy had about 2 divisions worth.

>>33037549
Wouldn't necessarily disagree but now you're just being a cunt.

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>>33037484
They invaded Germany with the rest of the allies. They also took the task of liberating the pockets of "fortress cities" such as La Rochelle.
>>33037505
Are you too daft to understand what the Free French Forces were?

I don't even get what you're trying to claim that more Frenchmen died fighting for Germany when that was at best 11,000 men, when there was millions in the Free French Forces. There was over 150,000 killed in the Invasion of France alone.

>>33037570
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2nd_Armored_Division_(France)#Falaise_Pocket

so that doesn't count then ?

>>33037425
Just because that's the way it is doesn't mean that's how it should be, and it certainly doesn't mean it's your "right"

The Romans had the right idea. Citizenship isn't a given, it's earned.

>>33037566
>>33037574
Waky waky motherfuckers! Those are world wars it is a common effort not a fight of whose gonna win as many battle on their own to be considered a winner....
Inbred those days...

>>33037578
They were a uniformed military beholden to De Gaulle, who was in exile in London.

They numbered around 20,000 at their peak.

>there were over 150,000 killed in the invasion of France alone
Wasn't aware the French conscripted farm animals and rodents and called them part of a uniformed military.
>>33037585
>served as a link between American and Canadian forces
>Canadian forces
Last I checked Canada wasn't France.

>>33037566
>He adds Bir Hakeim and Koufra even though those were French Foreign Legion
>Koufra
Not a single FFL present.
>Bir Hakeim
3/4 were NOT FFL.
>He adds Normandy yet the French did fuck all
2ème DB cut a swath right next to where I live, I I should know.
>He adds Liberation of South France though the US carried most of that
And French troops more than carried their weight through all that.
>And then he has the balls to add the Crossing of the Rhine
>NOOO, THERE WAS NO FIRST FRENCH ARMY AT STRASBOURG! NO!
>Let me move the goalposts froggie
FTFY

>>33037570
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normandy_landings#Allied_order_of_battle
That's hardly a full order of battle. And that's just the first day. The French landed and fought with the British.

>>33037595
>They were a uniformed military beholden to De >Gaulle, who was in exile in London.

>They numbered around 20,000 at their peak.
Holy shit you are a fucking retard.

>>33035292
Literally m8 you don't seem to understand the importance of world war 2. Ww2 is THE WAR of history and how your nation performed in it determined the way all future generations perceive it.
>France surrender = surrender monkey despite winning loads of wars beforehand
>Russia (and China though they are almost always forgotten) = zerg squad with no tactical prowess despite everything before 1941 suggesting otherwise.
>UK = everyone has a green beret and a moustache but can't actually fight a battle without the USA despite the Falklands proving the latter void
>Germany = every unit including drivers and disabled vets are elite despite modern army being shit
>USA = hero and undefeated despite vetietnam
Japan = everyone is issued a katana and are suicidal despite modern Japanese not really giving a shit about emperororr

World war two is the definitive war my freinds, the greatest generation truly defines what our modern armies are perceived as.

>>33037591
that's where you wrong kiddo
Constitutio Antoniniana came and every free citizen got roman citizenship
Also Roman citizenship is not that easy, those who are born free with it called Ingenui and got public and private rights, those who are been freed got Iuniani Latini wich is still a citizenship both a whole other story if we lock at the rights

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>>33037595
>Last I checked Canada wasn't France
what did he mean by that

>>33037585
>D-day: 6 June 1944
>The division embarked in April 1944 and shipped to various ports in Britain. On 29 July 1944, bound for France, the division embarked at Southampton
So over a month late before they hit France.

There is literally zero possibility they fought at Normandy considering Operation Cobra started 4 days before they even got on the boats at Southampton (still in Britain).

Unless you're trying to say they fought in the province of Normandy, which they kinda-sorta did but only with extensive Allied help.

>>33037598

>2ème DB cut a swath right next to where I live, I I should know.
>NOOO, THERE WAS NO FIRST FRENCH ARMY AT STRASBOURG! NO!
>One complement of French troops means that they were the ones to win the battle

>>33037594

>Those are world wars it is a common effort not a fight of whose gonna win as many battle on their own to be considered a winner...

Yet anyone but the French Free Forces can name battles that they won on their own, I could name the fact that they were fully stocked and armed by the other allies but then I would have to remove everyone but the Brits and Burgers.


>>33037619

>That's hardly a full order of battle. And that's just the first day. The French landed and fought with the British.

They landed two month after D-day.

>>33037671
>They landed two month after D-day.
the second AD, maybe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1er_Bataillon_de_Fusiliers_Marins_Commandos

>>33037688
>battalion
>177 men
kek. Great contribution France, you sure totally "won" Normandy!

>Promoted June 5, Capitaine de Corvette (Lieutenant Commander) Philippe Kieffer commanded the operations of the 177 men of the 1er Bataillon de Fusiliers Marins Commandos, from June 6 in Normandy.[9] They disembarked from landing craft at 0731 hours on Sword beach with Colleville-Montgomery forces in the east of the allied landing.[10] They were the first to be unloaded in this sector with the craft of the No.4 British commandos having to let them pass to the lead as initially planned. Their specific objective was to achieve a breach within 500 meters to the west of Riva Bella supporting the 3rd Infantry Division.[11

>>33037666
>but only with extensive Allied help.
>but
Keep shifting those goalposts.
Of course they were a single corps among many others.

>>33037723
>Great contribution France, you sure totally "won" Normandy!

was that the initial claim, or was it about uniformed French troops taking a part in it ?

>>33037726
First it was an Army you claimed they had.
Then it was a Division you claimed they had.
Now it's a Corps you claimed they had.
>>33037723
officially lists 177 men as a "battalion" despite being under company sized

So which is it?

>>33037737
Actually both. One anti-frog sperg argued they had zero, another pro-frog sperg argued they won the battle (which implies they did all or at least the majority of the work). I'm a third-party sperg merely here to poke holes in everyone's arguments and sperg out.

>>33037737
Let it go, the whole shtick is moving the goalposts each and every time.

>>33037737
Just ignore this retard, he first asked for the battle won by the french units then he just shifted the requirements for qualifying a battle actually won.
He's just shitposting...

>>33037566
You know they became French when they stayed loyal to France right? Any legionnaire was given citizenship by the government in exile

>>33037747
>Now it's a Corps you claimed they had.
corps as a generic term, my bad you sperglord.
I've never "claimed" anything else but the 2nd AD.
>officially lists 177 men as a "battalion" despite being under company sized
Because it was literally the name of the unit.

>>33037595
They were at least 100,000 strong during their exile

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I don't get how people can diss the french when they have arguably the best special forces for hostage rescues on earth.
"GIGN operators have performed over a thousand operations in the last 43 years, have rescued over five hundred hostages, arrested a thousand suspects"

>>33037778
>freely admit to being a sperg
>get called a sperg as if it's an insult
kek.

I know it's the official name of the unit. You were trying to use it and its misleading nature to inflate your claim about their participation.
>ya but they had a BATTALION participate!
>(I really hope nobody actually clicks this link and finds out it's actually a company sized element)

>>33037789
I thought GIGN were officially police and not military though?

Or do people not make that distinction like us burgers do? Because if you dont, why is the FBI's HRT considered the undisputed world leaders on hostage rescue?

>>33037445

No they did not. Poland had a larger quantity of men and equipment fighting as part of the Allies on both fronts. Read The Polish Army 1939–45 by Zaloga, it's stated completely outright.

You're trying to compare only the Western armies. Poland also contributed a lot of men to the Eastern Front helping the Soviets push forward. Not to mention the Polish resistance put up a fuckload more resistance than the French one ever did. Show me one event on the scale of the Warsaw Uprising that the Frogs ever pulled off to distract German forces and use up manpower and equipment.

"After the fall of France, the French forces lagged behind the Polish in numbers. It was only after D-Day and the liberation of the French mainland that French forces swelled to 550,000, outnumbering the Polish Army in the West, but not the combined West, East and partisan forces"

Not to mention Poland put in a fuckton of intelligence breakthroughs, tank periscope technology (that got used on most British tanks and the US M4) and did more than the French when it came to the Battle of Britain. At its peak in the late war, the Polish forces numbered around a million men, easily the fourth largest contingent.

>>33037804
Paramilitary

>>33037804
the Gendarmerie is a military police corps
cops have the GIPN, and third SWAT unit has been formed after the November 2015 attacks which name I forgot

>>33037804

Because France has an obsession with trying to skew numbers to make themselves look better without talking about the actual detail.

>>33037787
You mean when they were sitting around in Britain and America spilling military secrets and *not* fighting?

>>33037813
Is that a liberal euphemism for police or is it actually considered its own category? Not trolling here, legit unsure.

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>>33035292

>>33037825
Kinda hard to do shit when the British couldn't do much either

>>33035494
This
We never gave a fuck about murica, we just hate the english so fucking much

>>33037844
Losing a fight against Italy regardless of numbers is embarrassing.

>>33037863
There's a difference between fighting and not getting anywhere and sitting on the other side of the ocean giving interviews to international news outlets.

>>33037798
I didn't try anything because I was not the guy who made the claim.

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>>33037866

>>33037866
yeah that's why we sent them the Statue of Liberty, it's a passive aggressive thing

>>33035939
Because a united Europe would wreck our shit
Divide and conquer

>>33037867
They didn't lose though. They were still killing Italians and then the armistice happened.

>>33037825
What secrets did the French give out in WWII? Stop pulling shit out of your ass.

>>33037910
As he claimed, he's just trolling...
Just ignore him.

>>33037069
>If you emigrate to America and get citizenship you're American
>If you fight for the ffl you aren't french
France was always diverse as fuck and never based on race unlike Germany
Being french was being a subject of the king

>>33037368
>Nothing he said was false.

Yup, it is.

>>>> WWI, France won but the army mutinied near the end

As I said, French army wanted to continue the war, but UK and USA said otherwise, and it end on armistice.


>>> WWII, France backed down from rhineland, had good tanks but couldn't use them, advanced into Rhineland but then just stopped, got wrecked.

It was more "Let's advance few KM, steal bicycle, and get back home", why's that? Because it wasn't their plan, also French army were crush in belgium, not in Rheinland.

>didn't even join UK - incompetent generals and weak politics.

Yup, Generals and French soldier though they would continue the war on French soil, what did you expect of them? "Oh hey! Let's abandon our wifes, children and parents and let them be occupied by Germany!", you can't blame them for thinking otherwise.

Oh, that say, yeah,incompetent isn't enough to say how much general and politics were.

>>Collaborated with Nazis instead.

Ah, such an easy sentence to say for peoples that didn't know war, occupation, hunger, deprivation, and the whole army of your country being held prisonner.


>>They waited to reinforce the Belgian border until the last possible minute.

Err... French army were at the border of belgium and Luxembourg, the hour after Germany invade those, French army were going through, you can't blame them for not being in Belgium, when their idiotics politics declare that they were neutral.

>> And then even as France was falling, they refused to really ask for Britain's intervention until the last minute when it was too late, and then had the audacity to claim that the Brits "abandoned them."

Wut? Britain only send the BEF, that's all troop britain could send, how's that French fault?

>>Nothing that that anon said was bait, you're just retarded.

Wellp, sorry, but it's, most of what you say is true, but doesn't apply to bait anon.

>won what wars they've been in
And ran from the rest. Fucking french pussy

>>33037985
Yea ok because replace the french with black africans and it's all the same shit

kys
idiot

>>33038012
because colonial units were all foreign legion, right ?

>>33035846
Poland only lasted 35 days? That's pretty shit as well. I'm going to bring that up a lot from now on.

>>33037314
>what is citinzenship par le sang versé

>>33037428
>There was only one French division
And the Vichy ones fighting as German puppets.

Oh, I'm sorry, they only fought FOR the Germans rather than literally shoulder to shoulder with them.

>>33037891
No.. They wouldn't
America the titan.

Also, so many assblasted frogs. That's what happens when you're faggy I guess

>>33038249
Most of Vichy surrendered without much of a fight. As much as they were puppets of the Germans, they despised them a lot.

>>33037519
Monte Cassino too.

>>33037804
Gendarmerie are militaries, living in barracks and shiet.

>>33035292
It is an afactual meme

Because they didn't surrender to american demands to help out with Dubya's Iraqi folly.

>>33035292
You just said it, normies

You think normies know anything other than the basic 10th grade powerpoint on WW2? Hell, faggots legit believe Americans were the only ones who fought in Vietnam, mention France or South Korea and they'll just blink at you.

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>>33037789
Fuckin' GIGN mang, don't they operate with +p .357 loads?

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>>33038674
They used to have this one.

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>>33038674
Yep

>>33035292
From my experience only total normies are having that opinion. Anyone with even remote interest in history/military knows that this memes is false.

>>33038249
>And the Vichy ones fighting as German puppets.

You mean the one that join allies when they land in Africa?

>>33038197
>citinzenship par le sang versé

What is that?

Unless there is another war in which France itself is attacked and successfully defends itself, or one where they save another country, they will never regain their national pride and honor.

>>33039432
Well they 360 nosope wannabe terrorists in Mali right now, does that matter?

>>33039458
>*count
shit

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>>33035292
Do you heard about SS division Charlemagne?

They fought to the last day of Battle of Berlin and was one the last SS unit to surrender.

The French won WW2??? What bullshit! The French helped the germans round up jews after they rolled over and played dead. It will be a long long time before they live that down. That is why they invented the myth of the "underground" on a large scale to save face.

>>33039542
I wouldn't mention those guys in France.

>>33036066
WW2 happened because France was so ass lasted they wanted Germany (who didn't even start the war) to pay money, get rid of their military. This made their economy go to the shitter because Germany just started printing marks like crazy. France ironically fucked themselves by doing this.

>>33037628
>Communist China== Zerg Rush
FTFY, there was a civil war there going on between the communist and the nationalist Chinese. Japan coming in and fucking up the nationalists even more partook in the problem in making current day china red china, despite already abandoning Maonomics

>>33039944
You could say that Germany caused the French to react the way they did because of what the Germans forced upon their nation after the Franco-Prussian war.

>>33040359
No, the Brits and french were just assmad and wanted too much

The Viet Minh beat the finest French troops (FFL and Paras) like rented mules in Viet Nam. They didn't just outlast them like they later did the US, they destroyed them at Dien Bien Phu and elsewhere. Of course OP didn't mention that because he probably doesn't know any wars besides WWI, WWII and Viet Nam.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/01/dien-bien-phu-battle-france-vietnam-indochina-war

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/fr-forts-rc4.htm

>In a bitter five-day battle fought with the Communists last week on Route No. 4, over 3,000 Foreign Legionnaires were trapped. The line along the Chinese border fell very quickly to Viet Minh forces when attacked from front and rear in October 1950. The French, in this debacle, lost 6,000 men and enough materiel to equip a division. Destruction of this line permitted even greater Chinese support to the Viet Minh.

>As historian Jean-Pierre Rioux noted, this was "the only pitched battle to be lost by a European army in the history of decolonisation" and it signalled the beginning of the end for France's empire.

Many in the French armed forces revolted after Algeria was freed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisation_arm%C3%A9e_secr%C3%A8te

Fielding a "large" force by Eurotard standards is not an accomplishment. Turkroaches have the largest land army in NATO yet IS spanks them thoroughly.

>OOOH! Muh frog rifle is noice so that invalidates history..

Confine your posts to subjects you know something about.

>>33035292
>ITT: A bunch of triggered surrender monkeys.

>>33035292

France was a world power at the start of WW2 with a powerful military and the best defended border in the world.

Then Hitler started getting aggressive, and the French stood by and did nothing.
Hitler himself said that if they had sent even a single soldier across the Rhineland, he would have been finished.

Then, Germany invaded Poland, and France broke their treaties which required them to come to Poland's aid, and instead stayed at home doing fuck all.

Once Germany finally invaded France, they lasted about as long as Poland, despite having a vastly superior military and plenty of time to prepare.
AND THEN the French surrendered disgracefully, and many of them collaborated with Germany.
By some accounts, about as many French soldiers fought for Germany as fought against it.

They had tons of opportunities to end the war, even after Poland was invaded, but the French absolutely disgraced themselves in WW2, and therefore: memes.

>>33035292
I think France was afraid of another bloodbath like in ww1

>>33039397
If you are wounded in the Legion while fighting for france, you can apply for citizenship, and your request will be accepted pretty much without question.

Which is metal as fuck, if you ask me.

>>33043142
>Then Hitler started getting aggressive, and the French stood by and did nothing.
Except for you know, building up their armed forces and preparing for a conflict?

>Then, Germany invaded Poland, and France broke their treaties which required them to come to Poland's aid, and instead stayed at home doing fuck all.
How could France and Britain aid Poland? There are some major geographical problems. Everyone, including the Poles knew their country was fucked.

>By some accounts, about as many French soldiers fought for Germany as fought against it.
What asshole did you pull that out of?

>>33035292
>biggest war in human history
>completely BTFO
>nothing since to even remotely redeem this

Yeah I wonder why France has a bad rap

>>33041559
>like rented mules
>while losing several divisions in the process

>>33038249
>Vichy fighting as German puppets
Oh the meme. Vichy was a non-belligerent regime. They basically fired a few symbolic shots during Torch and then happily hopped on the allied train.

>>33044928
Where is this from?

>>33039944
>this

they were still ass blasted about the franco-Prussian war and how they thought bismarck and von Moltke unfairly treated napoleon III.

if britan and America had their say about the versaille treaty and the occupation of the Ruhr didn't happen. things might've turned out very differently.

I still have a high view of Marshal Petain though.

>>33035940
It started way before that.
You're thinking about the rebranding of fries, from French fries, to freedom fries.

>>33035292

For America in particular, they left us behind in Vietnam when they were the entire reason we were there in the first place.

>>33046087
>franco-prussian war
>germans make the French pay all their gold reserves at once
>wwI
>Germany has to pay back for all the damage inflicted, over decades, tied to their economy's capacity for paying
>bitch eternally about muh stab in the back, we werent really defeated, refuse to pay and abide by the armistice terms
>boohoohoo the Ruhr got occupied

>>33046126
>For America in particular, they left us behind in Vietnam when they were the entire reason we were there in the first place.
>go there years after the French threw the towel after having been left to dry
>it's all your fault!
Serves you fucking right.

>>33035292
>the french are actually really good at fighting wars, the problem is that they're very bad at fighting wars

>>33046209
look how the frenchie thinks it is equal

>>33046223
Yeah, Versailles was pretty lenient.

ITT baguette tries to blame normie and in the end gets more people to hate his military

>>33046231
Yes the 1871 one was :^)

>>33046126
Are you fucking kidding me ?
You are the one who fucked us in the ass in Indochine. Your gvt actively pushed for decolonisation to serve your interest.
You never helped us there while you have your plane sitting at the corner. Just one tiny raid ? Noooooo. Colonisation is baaaad.

>>33046383
You totally miss the point.
We don't give a fuck about what uneducated brats think about us. What to expect from people with brains full of bullshit. You stand here with your judgemental POV with your made up analysis of what caused WW2, but in the end, you totally miss the point.
So yeah, keep shitposting and make WW3 and 4 on your home ground.

>>33046457
>>33046209
oy vey we only want to be liked

Americans who shit on the French are the same who say the US defeated the nazis

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I don't mean to shill, but we're trying to get a French NRA going, there's a number of associations, but this one in particular is fighting to make CCW a thing in France, so I'm putting it out there so fellow frenchbros can check it out

http://arpac.eu

There is also UNPACT

http://unpact.net/index.html

French gun culture is growing and getting stronger

>>33037505
>Saying France won WW2 is like saying Bangladesh won the Gulf War despite only having a single advisor in country.

>Implying Bangladesh isn't really a super power

>>33046469
Oy vey muh stab in the back Versailles so unfaiiir
>autistic chimpout

>>33046683
You quoting yourself lol

Germans deserve the Nuke.
Ruined 4 times europe, and now it's going to be the 5th.

>>33035448
kek, this

>>33037650
Like i said, Poland played a larger effort in the war.

>>33035292
>t. sunburned armpits

>>33035292
>those blacks doing it wrong...
it's pottery.

>>33037425
that is not the law everywhere.

>>33037844
sure looks like they surrendered to me.

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>>33035292
France surrendered to foregin armies in Paris:
Eternal Anglo
Eternal Kraut, within weeks.
Russia.

I am sorry but these are facts.
France is the cuckold of Europe.

>>33035292
I agree, we all know about the American cemeteries in France from WWII, so every time some asshat starts talking shit about France, I recommend that they go to the Revolutionary War battlefield at Yorktown Virginia and walk the graves of the FRENCH soldiers buried there. They died helping us become the great INDEPENDENT nation that we are, and planted the seeds of their revolution.

Because they were the only country to surrender to the Germans and they did it after only 6 weeks. Even small countries that lost control of their territory had some pride and worked out different nation instead of just giving up.

>>33035292
The French have done their share of fighting. The bad rep started as Brit propaganda during several centuries of war.
It revived after the Franco-Prussian war and then again during ww1. Mainly because of kraut propaganda and Brit involvement
Getting beat at the start of ww2 didn't help much either.

>>33047757
fucking kek

They only did it to spite the UK, it may have been the other way around and France colonised the majority of America first. Then you would of had our aid fighting against France.

>>33039458
>>33039487
No and no because they're primarily advising the Mali military, who does the overwhelming majority of the fighting, and when they HAVE fought they have suffered some catastrophic losses against literal tribals.

>>33048074
Initially that was true, but as time went on they realized we were on to something, our political ideas became very appealing to the French soldiers and leaders that fought here, this helped plant the seeds of the French Revolution and brought an end to their monarchy (for awhile,at least).

>>33035292
>won war
Mali called back they wanted their food back

>>33035292

because they got their asses handed to them in wwii, algeria, and vietnam but can't stop jerking themselves off

>>33041507
>No, the Brits and french were just assmad and wanted too much
I doubt this
As a rule British foreign policy is sensible to a fault
except for Ireland
but Ireland is only foreign in the strictest interpretation

It's very much within French character to get assblasted and behave in a myopic way which bites them later

>>33049393
It's all shits and giggles until you have to depollute the lands and rebuild entire cities/villages. At this point, someone has to pay, after all they got the money to fight. This is basically the mindset of the time.

>>33039933
Why? They fought for their country against bolshevism.

Service in SS still portrayed in negative light in France?

>>33050446
France can talk they still have SS members in the Legion's retirement home.

>>33050446
Because of the shit the ss did to French towns

>>33046087
>I still have a high view of Marshal Petain though.
He was unfairly treated because of him surrendering France, yet what he did saved France from what Germany was doing to Poland.

>>33035321
Those were the days

hmm really glossed over ww2 hmmm

>retarded frenchies have re written history so that they delude themselves they did not lose ww2

You lost WW2 silly frogs France capitulated, Petain's French State or as it was more commonly known Vichy France was in fact the legitimate government De Gaulle was the renegade.

>>33035446
America is still riding off of WW2 after letting everybody else do the work for them.

>>33035292
Wehraboo's

My grand-dad was french, killed nazis and bombed trains and stuff. Conquered Paris with spanish partisans. He was "La Résistance", his tomb is huge, marble, with medals and stuff.

He fought against Franco in spanish civil war as a partisan, then came back to France to ww2.

After Vichy Gov, he told me that only 20.000 frenchmen were in the "résistance". Today they claim 200.000, bullshit.

After the war, a lot of women were beaten and shaven bc they fucked with nazis. But not a lot of men were punished to help nazis.

One day celebrating victory over nazis, he showed up drunk (tipical grandpa) and aiming a shotgun at people at the parade, yelling traitors and cowards.

Since then, nobody fucked with him, he just shooted and burned things (like houses, tractors, etc.) and no one messed or sued him.

He passed away in 2001, cirrosis.

>>33037179
>>Why is the "hurrrr French surrender monkies" meme so prevalent among normies?
>refusal to participate in the 2002 invasion of iraq
>thats literally it
>before then, the french had the reputation of being bitter salty entitled shitters who start rioting at the drop of a hat, and their military performance wasn't a point of contention among normies. but ask anyone about visiting paris, and anyone who'd been there would (and still does) complain that everyone is rude and tries to start shit with you over nothing

Oldfag detected, and you are exactly right. I was 16 and still remember "freedom fries" and all the rest of the stupid shit. I'm married to a girl that didn't come to the states until 2006. She can't begin to grasp how things were when I explain 2001-2003 to her.

>>33052870
Killed Nazi's in WW2
Then lost all the colonies
and now 40% of newborns in France are blacks/muslims

Pretty sure that tens of thousands were killed extrajudicially for "collaboration" btw

They were cowards and failures before Napoleon and after, during the empire they had a brief period and not being faggots (in fact they were briefly one of the greatest peoples in history). Look at french during ww1, while Germans were unbreakable morale-wise (and militarily until america) french morale was one of the biggest fear of the allies, in 1917 they had to shoot a bunch of them during mutinies to get the rest of the baguette gobbling cunts in line. In ww2 and in the franco purssian wars whole platoons drunkenly staggered into the enemy lines waving white flags when the situation could have been salvaged.

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>>33053241
What's your problem

>>33051534
Britbongs till riding off the 16th and 17th centuries.
Italians still act like Rome is a thing.
French still thing Napolean is relevant to anyone.
Russia still thinks the USSR is still scary.
Japan still thinks everyone should say sorry to them.

>>33044541

>Except for you know, building up their armed forces and preparing for a conflict?
Even more embarrassing that they managed to lose so hard.

>How could France and Britain aid Poland? There are some major geographical problems.
Gee, I don't know. How about by attacking Germany like they were required to by treaty?

>What asshole did you pull that out of?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Military_battles_of_Vichy_France

Here's an interesting question:

In the long-term, did French manufacturing facilities and logistics infrastructure (railways, shipping, etc) do more to benefit the Axis (while the country was occupied) or the Allies who later liberated them?

How many allied troops were killed by French-produced munitions? How many axis soldiers and vehicles were fed and fueled with French resources?

>>33053492
>most if not all of those are defensive battles from an attacked non-belligerent
>most barely qualify as battles like Torch where they fired a few symbolic shots per orders and jumped in the arms of the allies
>several are against the axis like Japan

>>33046518
>French gun culture is growing and getting stronger

Uh no it isn't. Those association don't mean shit and you know it. We have two of some of the biggest anti-gun politicians in the whole world, one is our prime minister and the other is the minister of justice. What do you think is going to happen next month? We'll lose all semi-auto rifles, the ability to order guns over the internet, magazines over 10 rounds for rifles and 20 rounds for handguns (well that's already the case for handguns anyway) and we'll have some more medical testing and various bullshit such as having to prove we're actively participating in competitions. And all of that shit was started by Cazeneuve himself who litterally begged the EU commission to make that law right when the corpses at the Bataclan weren't even cold.
It's over, just accept it. We've already had various gun bans in 1995 and 1998 before the one 2012 that already killed gun culture completely. We don't have any gun manufacture anymore (other than that Verney Carron bullshit). Decathlon and all supermarkets used to sell unregistered AR15's in .222 and smoothbore pump action shotguns until 1995. That's when everything the shit they started in 1939 was finally over.
It's over, I say it again, we've let it happen by letting leftist politicians in power rather than systematically hunting down anyone with any left wing opinion. It's our fault.

>>33056877
Then fix it

>hurr durr french .mil is shite
Fuck normies. Like really

Let me remind you of a couple of things

>they have nukes
> > le position officièl of the french govt as to peace in europe is, quote, "if necessary we can kill ~80 million russkies on the spot. and we dont give a fuck if the russkies promise to kill ten times that number of ours, because there are not 800 mil frogs. lulz"

>frogs are the ONLY "small" (i.e. not US or CCCP) country that runs a nuclear powered aircraft carrier
>AND USE IT to btfo uprisings in africa, rek ISIS, etc.

>speaking of africa, guess what language is understood and spoken on 90% of that continent? protip, its not english

>speaking of places that are not between spain and germany, france is the only one of the colonial powers of the 20th century that has actually held onto some pieces of ground that are not tiny ass islands (think outre-mer territories)

And inb4 someone calls me a triggered frog or something, I am not. In fact, the irony is strong in this one, as I am a Kraut.

>>33052870
fuck your communist ancestor

The French have a pretty long track record of starting out good, then failing miserably due to hubris.

>>33058512
France has always colonised utter shitholes, they have kept those shitholes, because they're utter shitholes....

>>33035292
>Do they not realize that France was, and arguably still is, the largest military force in Europe?
HAHAHAHA, no

>>33058512
>And inb4 someone calls me a triggered frog or something,
Yes you are, perhaps not a national, but you're such a Francophone that if you had money, you'd a built a 1:1 replica of the Eiffel Tower in your backyard. I bet you fall asleep with earbuds on listening to La Marseillaise as your lullaby. Nigga, you probably still dream to this day of joining the French Foreign Legion.

>>33035520
Camerone was a defeat. Viet Nam was multiple defeats. Algeria was a draw. Fuck off you ignorant stupid cunt. How dare you post without knowing your subject?

> the burgers were late for both world wars, so whenever other countries bring up that shameful fact,

It made perfect strategic sense. Fuck your EUrotard idea of "shame", when Eurotards should NEVER have NEEDED US assistance but chose to weaken their militaries.

The US strategy paid off in both wars. It saved us from bleeding out for nothing then brought us strategic and economic benefit at reduced cost.

Eurotards would have been better off surrendering to the Kaiser than losing tens of millions killed.

>>33045249
>>while losing several divisions in the process

They could AFFORD the manpower. Move your goalposts all you like, the French were defeated. That's like Americans lying about winning all their battles in Viet Nam, which they did not.

Fail to achieve your professed objective? You lost. Fail AND get beaten outright losing thousands of prisoners in single battles? You lost and you suck.

>>33054538
That's the only interesting question ITT. Since France immediately lost, the answer must be that their production benefitted the Axis as did Vichy cooperation by tying down Allied naval forces.

>>33058807
literally everything that ever was colonized was, at that point, an utter shithole. so?

>>33058887
>you'd a built a 1:1 replica of the Eiffel Tower in your backyard.
would you not?
>I bet you fall asleep with earbuds on listening to La Marseillaise as your lullaby.
naw, clear sky radio. Admittedly I am surprised by your eloquency and knowledge of La Marseillaise.
>Nigga, you probably still dream to this day of joining the French Foreign Legion.
Nigga, thats 90% of /k/'s wet dream anyway.

>>33035536
>being this retarded
The Americans shifted the balance and made the war end faster but the French (and Brits) would have held out long enough for German surrender.

>>33035292
Because muh freedom fries

American mass "propaganda" is strong

>>33059155
I mean they still are shitholes.

>>33035292
Because of WWII.

>>33059223
Would you rather have a colony that is a shithole and filled with negros, or no colony at all?

>>33059250
The problem with that is the niggers from the shithole colony can gain easy entry to your country.

>>33059353
cheap labour. great.

gotta think positive

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>>33035292
The only people that should be allowed to give the French a hard time are the English because Agincourt was such an embarrassing loss.

Also Trafalgar, because it turns out that killing all your experienced naval commanders during your revolution just because they are part of the aristocracy comes back to bite you in the ass.

>>33059374
And most are Christian

>>33059381
>Anglos never shut up about Agincourt and Crecy
>Meanwhile, they forget about their humiliating defeats during the war, such as la Brossiniere, Formigny, Patay or Castillon.

Their ability to cherrypick history never ceases to amaze me. Let's hope that Nolan's Dunkirk movie will feature at least some frenchmen in the background.

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FRENCH COMMAND IS SHIT (since Napoleon or debatably WW1)
FRENCH SOLDIERS ARE THE BRAVEST MOTHERFUCKERS TO GRACE THE FACE OF EUROPE

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sup /k/ Frog here.

>>33059474
Yeah fuck the Brits for trying to help.

>>33059474
>more french joined the germans than fought against them
>thousands of british, empire and americans died for france

muh resistance muh stay out of nato until it suits us muh muslims

>>33059682 You can have metallic cartridges rifles in D category too.
For example a Karl Gustav Mod 1896 is in D2 category, although you'll need a valid sport shooting license to buy ammo.

why did french officer wore silly hats during ww2

Im proud Frenchman we never need USA or UK help in WW1 or WW2 we were fine as we showed the world when we won

We didnt ask for help they just came without asking we were winning both wars fine before they come, then they ride on our success deux times.

vive le france

>>33059789
Yes. For the sake of being concise I left some stuff out. It's a mess already so might aswell leave the small exceptions out.

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>>33035292

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>>33059766
>more French joined the Germans
Fucking what. There was about 1,000,000 French soldiers near the end of the war

>>33059798
>le france

You fucked up there my anglo friend.

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>>33054538
>How many axis soldiers and vehicles were fed and fueled with French resources?
Hell, the French automotive giant Renault was put into service by Nazi Germany to produce vehicles and tanks for the Germans. To be fair to Renault though, many companies ended up having this happen to them (famously, Hugo Boss). And the Renault execs were replaced by Daimler-Benz people.

>pic related: Renault tank being used by the Germans

>>33035292
*cough *cough WW1 calvary charges into automatic fire. Refusal to adopt camouflage or modern tactics because stupid French arrogance.

>>33059862
typo

Je suis français

>>33059543
I think France would have given her right arm to have someone like Joffre or Foch in command in 1940.

>>33037373
Goddamn that's a QT

>>33059877
That's not specific to the french.
One british exercise in 1910 had a calvarly charge on an entrenched MG platoon. When the commander of the MG position approached the cavalry officers and told them they were all dead, they answered "You pretend to have won against the elite of the british empire with a handful of machines? How disgraceful, go away"

About camo, they had the tenue reseda project in early 1900, but in the end it looked too much like the german uniform so there was a risk of friendly fire. And you had overalls to cover the red pants. It was far from a perfect uniform, but people blow it way out of proportion.

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Hey let's build an impenetrable line of defence stretching across the whole country which will definitely stop the Germans in-case they happen to attack, then abandon it when they actually do attack!!!

sacre bleu

>>33059948
Well the Germans didn't attack along the Maginot line at first.

>>33059948
>abandon it
are you serious ? It wasn't abandoned you stupid retard, the Germans went through Belgium and Maginot line wasn't constructed there because Belgium was an ally.
Several Maginot forts fought with the few canons they had on the rear of the fortifications. They were the last to surrender

>>33059948
Sounds really funny given the actual events...
"They are gonna pay for the WALL!! Wait we can't? Well, we are gonna pay for it but shhh!"

>>33059982
>>33059977
hon hon hon

And who failed at Ardennes and let the Germans through???

>>33037373
It's so bizarre seeing images of kids younger than me fighting for their freedums when you look at the 20-somethings of today and they cry over college exams.

>On the morning of 15 May, French Prime Minister Paul Reynaud telephoned the new British Prime Minister, Winston Churchill and said "We have been defeated. We are beaten; we have lost the battle." Churchill, attempting to offer some comfort to Reynaud, reminded the Prime Minister of all the times the Germans had broken through the Allied lines in the First World War only to be stopped. Reynaud was, however, inconsolable

>>33037844
>still surrendered

lol

>>33060021
Belgians + French+Brits

>>33035539
>didnt even want in on the shitstorm war euro fags started
>technically not a participant in ww1, but in fact fighting a seperate punitive war in response to Germans trying to fuck us
>same thing in ww2, dont give a fuck about the war until assholes drag us in to your bullshit.
>tfw we joined ww2 before Russia did
>tfw we beat the brits to Italy
>tfw we beat the brits to Germany
>tfw we provided all the equipment the brits and french needed
The whole "hurr durr fat americans late to the war" meme is even more retarded than the french surrender monkey meme by far, because you could know better just by watching any fucking ww2 documentary

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>>33060021
The question IS where were the others?
Maybe too busy fueling the nazis with their money...

>>33060035
Incorrect it was the Divisions Légères de Cavalerie of the french army.

Atleast you tried.

>>33060071
Well by others you mean just the USA?

>>33035292
It's a meme because it's fucking hilarious and it really upsets the more nationalistic French. Also their performance was shit in WW1 also and at least as far back as the Franco-Prussian War.

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>>33059948
But that's wrong.
The maginot line was not meant to stop the german, it was meant to make them attack elsewhere (it did) so they could be fought in Belgium instead of France (far less succesful in that regard) and hold most of the frontier with few troops, because France did have a severe lack of men aged 20-25 due to ww1.
And all the major forts were still operational and kicking at the time of the french surrender.

>>33037807
I think Yugoslav partisans had even more men. They ended the war with around a million men under arms.

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>>33060091
Of course. Brits were not there, too busy going home at Dunkerk...

>>33060105
Yes the one that look like the axis more than anything.

>>33039542
Charlemagne maxed out at around 11.000 men. Handzar had 23.000 Bosniaks, plus the men in Kama. And there were 3x more Frenchmen in Paris than Bosniaks in Europe.

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>>33060051
>tfw we joined ww2 before Russia did
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barbarossa

>>33060143
No actually they were defending their own lines in Belguim before having the lines cut in half and encircled thanks to the French giving up.

>>33036033
Yeah well, you shouldnt need a tiny nation like Belgium or away teams like Britain to defend your home country

>>33037428
>Blame Belgium
>implying its another nations responsibility to ensure your sovereignty

>WEAKNESS

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>>33039944

>the Versailles caused broken Germany economy meme

Sorry, but no. It didn't help the German economy, but the Krauts did perfectly fine ruining their own economy throughout WW1. Piss poor financial planning, exceptional over spending, plain old incompetence ruined Germany. Note that these poor decisions did not stop at the signing of the treaty, they went on for several years afterwards when trying to deal with the problem.

If there was a list of things that contributed to Germany's shit economy post-WW1 Versailles would be down in the middle of the list. Not at the top.

>>33060383
>or away teams like Britain to defend your home country
France's WWI's strategic situation looks so untenable when you look back on it.
>France's entire northeastern flank was to be guarded by the British forces
>British military aid was based on basically a handshake deal

>>33061251
We didn't join because we were disgusted with how the French were raping the Germans post-war. Wilson's 14 points were laughed at and ignored. Thanks by and large to the French we had Hitler and WW2.

>>33037844
they probably ran out of ammo lol

in all fairness its fun to poke fun at the french, but anyone willing to pick up a rifle and fight along side me is welcome at my table.

>>33061269
Still stuck on the denial and isolation stage...
Jeez, even bacteria evolve quicker than that...

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being that the french have always been our ally, and even during our own revolution the french aided us, the french are our friends, treat them like friends.

>>33061344
I don't even know what you're arguing now. Besides, shouldn't you be looking for Mecca to pray right now?

>>33061378
It's 2017, fuck religions.

>>33061435
Except muslims, right? Let all those refugees breed you out of your country and rape your daughters.

>>33061512
So far priests raped more altar boys than the inbred muslims...
But both should be destroyed. In thousand years religions only brough reasons to kill people rather than improve society.

For this reason : fuck religion and vive la science!

>>33061351
Thx US bro. But don't worry, we don't take the bantz too seriously. The real shame with France's military is more about the lack of patriotism of the civilians and politicians. The WW2 was still winnable for France who had its colonies and its Navy. But our politics are the biggest cowards of all time. We won the military war of Algeria. People voted against it. Same for Indochine, nobody gave a fuck. French ppl are too much spoiled.

>>33061623
Why does being anti-muslim make me pro-catholic? I think they're both fucked up.
That being said why does the anti-christian side want to suck the hairy brown cock of muhammed so badly?

>>33061650
Dunno, ask politics, not me...

>>33061624
+1

>>33061378
Changing the argument won't help you win

>>33062207
Sorry Anon, he, most likely, is praying right now...
#Pray4Sweden

>>33060424
So what would have happened to America if Canada was taken during WWII?

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>>33056877
Wow good job proving the stereotype of French being surrender monkeys you have no self-awareness do you?
Sitting around feeling sorry for yourself is pathetic and will solve nothing, your defeatist attitude is disgusting but I've come to expect it from you French losers

Stop sobbing like a woman and join the fight