Where did Taurus start fucking up so badly? They used to

>>33027686
Last I'd heard, their quality has been improving in the past few years

>>33027686
>Last I'd heard, their quality has been improving in the past few years
people have been saying this for decades

When they started making guns that weren't Beretta 92 variants.

>>33027686
>They used to make quality pistols.

No they didn't

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They basically shut down all other firearms from beeing allowed to be sold in Brazil, basically they all police departments by the balls, so no one can buy for example, glocks, because there are taurus pistols, and now that they made AR15 copies, and they will probably use that to stop police departaments from trying to buy these kinds of weapons to brazil

Basically they have a lot of demand and supply with whatever they have, the only good procuts they sell is the berreta copies.

The law on brazil is that goverment can't buy weapons from abroad if similar ones exists being made in brazil.

Also they shut down several tries of glock and even CZ of establishing factories in Brazil, as wel as local ammo factories (not owned by them) for example, through tight lobbying.

I would link several youtube videos of terrible failures in their weapons that in combat would result in the death of its users but most of K probably already saw them.

If you can afford anyother weapon, do it, unless you use it just for plinking, and even at that would'd be better served with a bersa. (Which several police man in Brazil would love to have instead of Taurus pistols)

(One day I might talk about the severla cases in which the police man themselves shot on their own body parts due to misfire of the weapons (like shaking a little bit) or suspects that died because of similar accidents..

All in all, please, don't buy these guns, some factories might be brazilian, but no one really knows who own Taurus, or it's owners.

Basically they have a lot of demmand and supply with whatever they have, the only good procuts they sell is the berreta copies

>Pic related was the pistol of a cop that had to use it and failed him after the first shot, there several other cases similar to this, yet through a powerful grip it rarely seems to spread out public opinion or move things on Brazil congress.

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>>33027686
Taurus is legendary.

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>>33028799
oh my

>>33028799
So Michael J Fox can basically have a full auto pistol?

>>33027686
>They used to make quality pistols.
No they didn't.

>>33027807
It improved drastically over the course of several years but that improvement was itself a few years ago.

>>33028799
To be fair that malfunction at the end was caused by limp wristing.

>>33028812
>you haven't seen anything
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5F_rGLMfUQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvABMir7Tpg

https://youtu.be/-b6UjvXOdoE?t=124

>>33028858
underrated

>>33028997
That cyclic rate on that first vid is dangerously high.

>>33028997
>>33030134

Yes if it was like 100 rounds per minute slower those slamfires would be completely safe

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>>33027686
i like my taurus 709, just under 1,000 rounds with only 2 FTF. only complaint is that it was dirty as shit straight from the factory.

>>33030134
If i recall correctly back in 2012, a Brazilian cop left one of those under the seat of their cruiser and after they went over a speed bump, the SMG under the seat started spraying bullets and killed one cop and wounded another in the leg.

>>33030165
Holy fuck I'm dying laughing

>>33028997
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvABMir7Tpg
neat they invented the echo trigger before us

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>>33030587
Merci.

>>33030527
How does it handle?
I was thinking of getting a PT111 G2 since I'm a poor college fag and Taurus is about all I can afford.
I know I'll have to swap out the plastic guide rod for a metal one, but other than that it looks like a solid entry level piece.
Is it really as bad as they say?

>>33030700
Too late the guy you were inquiring info from had his pistol slam fire into his femoral artery while trying the draw it from a holster for a photograph

>>33030700
>Is it really as bad as they say?
2 failures in 1000 is enough to call a gun unreliable. if you still want to buy it after knowing that poorfags going to poor.

>>33030700
>>33030729

This is a simple metric.

The guys on a certain form for pistols use the metric of running 2k rounds and measuring stoppages, malfunctions, and failures.

This is a much more honest and realistic metric than you will find elsewhere.

That all said the Problem with Taurus pistols isn't the industrial design - hell it's all straight clones or plagiarizing - the problem is quality control and tolerances, Hi-Point is literally a more reputable brand.

>>33030725
Fucking lol.

>>33030700
i really like it. the ergos are great, super small and light without being hard to shoot. although, full disclosure, the trigger feels like shit.

>>33030767
>quality control
this. i got lucky and got a good one, but it seems to be kind of a crapshoot with taurus.

>>33030729
>poorfags going to poor.
But i thought becoming hasguns was still better than continuing to be a noguns chump.

>>33030767
>use the metric of running 2k rounds and measuring stoppages, malfunctions, and failures.
So what's the cutoff point then?
I'm a first time funs buyer.

>>33030543
I bet taurus gets a ton of lawsuits over faulty guns or just lack of quality control. Even as a civilian I wouldn't trust my life to any thing made by taurus, I really wouldn't trust them as a duty weapon.

>>33030909

Well there's no absolute value. Most guns run 0-0-0 and the ones that has a stoppage are usually ammo related or user related.

The X factor is usually ammo, so you get stoppages associated with that.

The thing is - a realistic, non-flamboyant or marketable test like this doesn't earn dosh, and the people (like me) who work their gun over personally because they are that invested in its reliability are very unlikely to be using a Taurus.

So, I actually have no problem with a Taurus - if it works, but that's the trick isn't it.

>>33031006
im pretty sure my ftf was because of crappy target ammo

>>33031022
Be more descriptive, what exactly were the two failures? Maybe I can armchair a diagnosis.

>>33031006
Thanks for that info
Does that test happen to have a formal name I can look it up by when researching guns?

>The X factor is usually ammo
So are these tests typically done with higher quality ammo in order to rule that out?
I mean, when I hear people talk about stuff like failure to eject on a glock everyone is quick to blame the ammo or the user.
Is the test standardized in order to validate claims like that?

>>33031148
>Is the test standardized in order to validate claims like that?
no
the test is basically fire 2k rounds out of your gun post about your experiences on an online forum
its not scientific

>>33031148
I will link the challenge, but very likely no one will have tested a Taurus. These guys don't even care about the brand as long as it's the most shooty and accessible device.

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?9-2-000-Round-Challenge

>>33031226
nutnfancy tested one that had part of the trigger snap off.

it was a sad sack of shit.

>>33031093
faiure to feed, like I racked the slide and the round stovepiped.

>>33031262
Nutn is a whore like MAC and IV8888

You don't need to watch Infomercial tier videos to learn that Taurus has serious quality control issues.

>>33027686
>>33028799
>>33028997

Videos like this make me never want to buy a Taurus

>>33031206
>its not scientific
Wouldn't that mean "reliability" is nothing more than a skewed arbitrary increment?
How are we supposed to justify anything as "good enough"?
Not trying to make a shitpost, I'm legit confused now.

>>33031274
So it stove piped when you manulayy power stroked the gun?

Not trying to pick on you but if it cycled perfectly during firing and only stovepiped during the manual loading then this is user error.

>>33031287
I aint denying that. he definitely is a shill and a whore for whoever pays him, but not even sootch or that fat sack of shit hossusmc could spin that video of failures in a positive light.

>>33031304
I'm not the guy you are questioning but yes - people posting personal experiences on a forum - no matter how respected the forum is, is anecdotal - Mind you I'm also the guy who initially posted the link there for you, and I have a lot of faith in the numbers posted.

I just want you to understand - there really is no truth other than most modern, respectable autoloaders from established manufacturers will provide you with a human incapacitating device light years beyond your simplistic tactile ability to control.

So stop worrying about the hardware and dial in the software.

>>33031226
>DanPop
>I hit 2,300 rounds without cleaning my Taurus PT111 G2 today, took 5 trips to the range. Round one to round 2,300 not one misfire, fte, or ftp.
>I use mainly Remington umc 115 gr.
Looks like I'd be in the clear with that model at least
His post in on page 25 btw.

>>33031349
Okay, I see what you mean.
Thanks for the tips anon.

>>33031456
i wanna point out the point of the 2k round test is to vet that specific gun not all of that model.
you could have 19 guys with glocks saying they made it past 2k with no issues and the twentieth guy had a factory lemon that would jam once every 50 rounds.

>>33031456
>>33031508

Yeah absolutely- the idea is to vet the gun for your use.

>>33028959
it's safe to say that a limp wrist malfunction is to be expected when your pistol fires without you holding it.

>>33027686
If it's not a pt 92 or pt 111 g2, it's going to be shit. They make two, and only two, firearms of sound design and acceptable quality control.

>>33030700
Non-poor here.

G2 is a genuinely good gun, and honestly best around at the price point i'm seeing them at.

I don't care for mine, but I don't care striker fired polymer guns at all. It sits in the safe as a backup CC gun or oh god nukes are falling double stack pistol to hand to someone who doesn't merit a Beretta or rifle. That said, I know people who owns plenty of "better" guns, CC the taurus, and swear by it.


Test fire one, if you like it, buy it, carry it, shoot it often.

If you don't, save up the cash for a used gun of a higher quality brand/model.
>>33031274
That is 100% user error. If you are manually racking it and it stovepipes you dun goofed.

>>33031606
Are you a BR? what would the "G2" be in Murica terms?

>>33031606
>G2 is a genuinely good gun
Have you noticed any issue with the one that you have?
I know about the reported issues from the plastic guide rods but is there anything else I should watch out for?

>>33030700
I edc one and I'm happy with it.

Honestly though, I'm looking to get something nicer when I get the cash.

>>33031740
Current one sees almost no use. First one I had no issues with, just didn't like it. Sold it to a friend who puts a few hundred rounds a month through it.

took it to the range dirty on day one, put 500 rounds through it, made it his new carry gun.

Trigger disconnected last time we were at the range together. Broke it down, lubed it up, problem gone. Can't replicate it, no issues since. Turns out a specific range of serials have an issue with the triggers and were already under voluntary recall.

Check for that recall, don't buy in that serial range.
>>33031728
Try reading the entire post.

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>>33031456
I'm glad you have found a reliability metric you respect.

That said - when I carried my USP40 I didn't care about all the awesome internet reliability tests - I trusted my USP40 because back then, when I was more poor than now running 500 rounds was a sign of reliability.

Because this thread tickles my fancy- I opened up my 9L - I swab the barrel and dust the rails after every other range session, other than that fuck it.

>>33031820
>Check for that recall
I can only find info that states the recall was on the gen 1.
Was there one specifically for the G2?

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My EDC is a PT738. I've put 200 rounds through it so far with no issues. I like it more than my fiance's LCP, I'm saving for a NAA Gaurdian in 380.

>>33032146
>I've put 200 rounds through it so far with no issues
That is an unacceptably low metric

dude

>>33032054
So I was told. If you own one of those guns, you got a letter.

>>33032157
Not for a pocket .380 it isn't. They generally fail far sooner than other guns, quality be damned.

that said, i'd throw a pocket gun from the BR BRs before i'd try to fire it.

>>33032224
what I'm saying is 200 rounds is a low count for reliability testing.

I like 1k/2k

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>>33032241
I will be putting far more though it, but it is time consuming when you have 1 6-round magazine. I can't justify buying more because I can afford more magazines for my funner to shoot handguns.

>>33031349
The argument to be made is that the quality control is shit, which has lead to the wild variance in individual experiences instead of the usual outlets. Buying a Taurus used is some how safer than new if you invest in a range trip or know the guns history personally. A single piece of anecdotal evidence is largely meaningless, a forum with hundreds to thousands of experiences is a large enough sample to get a working theory.

>>33032302
Carry a spare on you day to day you fucking moron.

>>33032302
context is key - if you are quantifying a gun whos job it is to sit on your person - I have no qualms with your selection or functionality test as these are more "wild card" fire arms deployments.

>>33032309
I'm the guy you are responding to and I did not intend to suggest that Taurus is a recommended brand - the exact opposite infact.

BUT - if you are BR brass and are obligated to carry one run it through the 2k pace, also research online what parks break and have those spare springs/components on hand.

>>33032316
I do not need to.
I've been to several seminars about self defense and gun laws in my state. For legal reasons I don't ever plan to be some hero or get into a gun fight. I have the 6 rounds of 380 as a "get off of me" device. Shoot and run because I'm not getting locked up and only care for myself and my family. I do keep more in my car though but that's different.

>>33027686
never buy anything made by taurus unless its a revolver or a novelty, and even then it should be for range use only. don't trust your life to any of their shitty guns.
if you can afford a $300 gun, you can wait another month and afford a $500 gun.

>>33032309
Are you south american? Interesting perspective.

>>33032370
A woman at my lgs had to put a highpoint on layaway. I disagree.

>>33027686
Taurus never made anything good. Their Beretta 92 clone was only passable because Beretta sold them all the tooling to make them.

>>33032436
>>33032447
See: >>33031456

I have a pt1911 in 38 super, I've put at least 1500 rounds through it. Never had any malfunction, sometimes the slide doesn't lock back but that's from shit mags

Alright, after doing some more google-fu it seems that everyone (other than /k/ and the comments section of YouTube) had nothing but nice things to say about the PT111 G2.
There were a few reported problems with the first few batches, but all of them have already been worked out with the new batches.
So you sold me on it. Found one online for $210 shipping included and local ffl for $15.
Going to hit the range tomorrow to see if I like the way the one they have shoots before placing my order.

>>33032847
Just remember, it can get high round counts, 5k+, but it is a budget gun so don't intentionally try to induce failures or run a shooting marathon with it.

>>33027686
I put 3200 rounds through a pt1911 and it was a'ight.

I put 100 rounds through an older millennium pro and the slide broke.

>>33028609
>The law on brazil is that goverment can't buy weapons from abroad if similar ones exists being made in brazil.

Didn't you have similar laws in USA?
If someone wants to sell guns to govt. org. he has to set up a local on US soil.

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>>33027686
>inb4 ATF makes all taurus pistols class 3 items

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I have a Taurus 617 and it's a pretty good little revolver. I shot about 100 rounds of .38 special through it on my first range trip, and it ran fine. Will I ever buy another Taurus? Fuck no.

I know how gambling works. As far as I'm concerned, I hit a good jackpot and I'm quitting while I'm ahead. Also, I'm probably going to only run .38 through this little fella, even though it's rated for .357 Magnum, just because I don't want to fuck up the timing or something stupid like that.

>>33028609
Holy shit the hue hue memes are real

>>33032923
But all the foreign manufacturers normally have a reputation they need to defend and competition from others so they can't just sell the worst trash available if they want to stay in business longer than two weeks.

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>>33033033
>dat palindrome git

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>>33033039


With Trump The Stump in charge, maybe USA can revenge-ban Taurus in USA, if it's true that they lobbied ban on non-taurus guns in Barzil?

>>33031996
>other than that, fuck it

The only pistol I regularly shoot is a CZ 75b Omega, I put 100-200 rounds through it after work once in a while, then I go home and spend 20-30 minutes meticulously cleaning it.

Am I the most autistic person ever? Is there any reason to not clean guns after every use?

>>33027870
The only truth on this thread.

>>33033329
Your mum is a whore.
There, now this thread has two truths.

>>33032146
That's a pretty knife

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>>33033284
>Is there any reason to not clean guns after every use?

you are massively autistic.


A better use of your massive autism would be identifying the contact points and making sure they are accounted for during the luuuuube.

Sad reality is if you were an honest autistic you'd see the terrible , amateur roll pin FSP system CZ is now trying the sell us on - this is not OK. Expect during a counter CZ revolution soon.

T.

I own 3 CZs.

Screen Cap these posts, they are going to over extend and become huffy - it's a WIP.

>>33033439
>contact points

I do that after I clean it, every time. There's worse things to be than an autismo, at least I'll always have a clean house.

>>33030700
Buy a Canik TP9 or an old Smith & Wesson 915.

>>33033370
Not him but you can have that knife for a whopping $4 at Walmart

>>33030909
There's plenty of various 9x18 surplus service pistol out there in the less than 300 dollar range, with some of them being close to the 200 dollar mark. They will all be more reliable just about any brand new gun that sells for 200 bucks. Do yourself a favor and get a cz82 or a Makarov or a p83.

>>33033439
CZ is already huffy, 2 or 3 of my guns arrived NIB with loosed or detached front sight posts - this is beyond unacceptable

I'll shoot sick groups with my 75 SP-01 all day long but I will never trust my life to a gun with a roll pinned front sight post.

When my P-07 showed up, NIB, and the front sight shot off the gun on the third shot, I contacted CZ. They handled it - but they were not apologetic like this was unexpected, they acted like this was a common occurrence and had a course of action clearly planned (jesus christ)

I was just about to buy a Beretta remake what the fuck! Never getting tarus

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>>33027807
Yeah, I only heard about 60% of guns from taurus kaboomed last year.

>>33027686
no they didn't

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>>33030527
>only 2 FTF
>only 2
>1000 rounds

>>33030527
My M1911A1 Mil Spec functions better. Over 1000 rounds, no malfunctions.

>>33033439
>Not a single M1911 in sight
Your collection is not yet complete.

I've got a Taurus PT-1911.

All my research before I got it showed pretty good reviews. I'm under no illusions that my $250 gun is going to have the quality of a Kimber but I've never had any problems with it so far.

>>33033890
>0.2% chance of failure
>99.8% of removing jamal

ill take those odds

>>33035666
I wish I had those odds at a casino.

>>33035787
To have a world full of rich people, we would need a horde of robots to do all the jobs that people don't want to do. Perhaps in such a world, Communism would finally be potentially successful. A great benefit of Capitalism, it seems to me, is that in the ever-present struggle for normal people to succeed (or at least to sustain ourselves), we must do things that we generally don't want to do.


Another great benefit, however, is that we heavily reward people who improve the quality of life of others. So it definitely aids in getting things done that people don't want to do, but it also supports creativity. Write a book that people love, invent a machine that makes life easier, learn something far too complex for typical people to bother with (i.e. do advanced shit in University for highly advanced jobs), etc.

Perhaps a world where robots do all the stuff we don't want to do so as to allow us to all live comfortably and richly, it would hinder creativity, except for those who truly love whatever it is they work on. If I never had to work, I would continue writing, I would enjoy sketching down basic designs for firearms, if possible I would create my own prototypes, etc. Most people would probably just enjoy entertainment, eat, and sleep. That's fine; I enjoy all three of those, but I still like to try and be creative, even if I don't have to.

What would you do if you became stinking rich tomorrow? BILLIONS of dollars; you'll never have to work another day of your life; what would you do with all that time?

>>33036394
>Going full shitpost
I was making a point that the pistol is okay.

>>33036440
Yeah, I know; I've got about 99.9% reliability in my SKS and I'm perfectly happy with that. Your comment just made me think, unfortunately. That's all. What if EVERYONE had those odds at casinos, what if EVERYONE was rich, who would perform the work? Robots maybe. If robots did all the jobs for people, then what would people do? Then I just let the thought go from there. It's rather interesting, might try and write a book on that sort of society someday. Perhaps a mixture of Capitalism and Communism where people still use money, but they just make so damn much of it that it almost doesn't matter.

>>33035666
If there arent 8 repeating 9s its not good enough

>>33036627
99.9% reliability gives you something like 1 jam every 34 30-rnd mags. 1 every 1000 rounds. With 99.999999% reliability, it's something like 1 jam in 100,000,000 rounds. I'm not even going to bother doing the math for 30-rnd mags, but at a hundred million rounds, wouldn't that make the action more reliable than the rifling? How long does rifling typically last? Something tells me it's not 100,000,000 rounds...

>>33028997
>legal full auto

Where to cop senpai?

>>33028997
holy fuck. I thought all this taurus hating was a meme...

>>33037041
It would seem not. I've seen some of the gifs of Taurus firearms fucking up, but not all this.

>>33036694
I think 99.9% reliability (one malfunction in 1000 rounds) is a good minimum to go by. Truly outstanding reliability, like Glock and AK tier, is perhaps more along the lines of 99.99% reliability (one malfunction in 10,000 rounds) or 99.999% reliability (one malfunction in 100,000 rounds).

As for barrel life, a bit of searching suggests between 1500-5000 rounds before a barrel begins to lose accuracy, depending on velocity. So if a firearm has 99.99% reliability, then chances are, it'll start suffering in accuracy before you get your first malf. That's outstanding.

>>33036609
>It's rather interesting, might try and write a book on that sort of society someday.
Consider reading Brave New World by Aldous Huxley.

>>33032360
This sounds like something a person thinks before ends up on TV saying "I never thought this could happen to me"

But hey, enjoy the scenario in your head I guess

>>33037110
I hear great things about that book, though I don't know what it's about. I prefer to keep it that way. It's very popular, very famous, and I'll more than likely read it someday, so I'd like to go in with a blank slate.

>>33033015
I hear you. I bought a stainless model 85 a few months ago as a dedicated truck/tacklebox/kayak gun I'd be able to slip in my pocket if needed.

I haven't had any issues with it aside from a gritty ass trigger out of the box that's smoothed out since.

>>33028997
>not wanting a binary trigger at random intervals

friggin poofter

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>>33031590

>>33028959
>underrated

>>33030664
you do know this guy got kicked out of the police force right?

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>>33032370
>revolver
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-oIEEu2Wng&t=5s

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>>33028858

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>ITT: Poorfags trying and failing to defend their shit purchases.

>>33028997

> cheap Chinese knockoff will break
> cheap Brazilian knockoff will try to kill you

I was reading through the manual for the Taurus I bought,
Apparently you have to write them a letter and mail it for warranty service.

Is that because they are so shit they make it a hassle to get a repair?

I've heard their Beretta copy, the PT92, is alright

Any truth to that?

>>33044233
im pretty sure you have to mail in any gun to get it repaired. how are they supposed to repair it if its not physically in their possesion? as for the letter thing taurus predates common email availability. you do want something sent with the gun saying whats the issue so they know what to fix.
none of that seems like an outrageous hassle. the wait times for shipping will be but you didnt mention those.

>>33037161
>gritty as trigger
Odd, my 617 has a pretty smooth trigger. It's pretty long, even for a DA revolver, but it's smooth and it breaks cleanly. It's not amazing, but it's really good for the price tag.

Fun fact: I didn't actually buy the Taurus. I wanted a snubbie for concealed carry so I traded some guy on armslist a Marlin 60 and a Mossberg 500 for it.

>>33035666
If satan will take the odds so can I.

I work at a high volume gun store, and the number one pistol we send back for repair is Taurus.

The G2 Millenniums have issues with the magazine catch breaking, with the magazine falling out while they are being shot. I have sent back at least a dozen for this. We have had a Judge come back that had the yoke break and the cylinder fell out of it.

Taurus could take a prybar into a sandbox and manage to fuck it up.

>>33041846
I don't get it. So the cylinder is spring-loaded or something?

>>33044044
Norinco firearms aren't even all that bad, from what I've heard.

>>33033370
>>33033513

They are pretty good for a $4 knife, imo

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>buy Taurus
>lose 2 fingers

>>33049405
That's not a Taurus. You can tell by the cylinder release.

>>33046786
Yeah they're all really solid blades.

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>>33044252
Its the model that have the least problems I've heard compared to other of their own projects. The old the better apparently (because the first ones were actually made by beretta back in Brazil)

But the models in .40 still well, pic related (BTW, CBC owns taurus and the ammunition for the police force in Brazil is from cbc so even their ammo is shit, i think even they say to thrown away their ammos because after 6 months they don't guarante the quality or something like this.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqICUNcOMqk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX6yxK2QbBM

http://www.forte.jor.br/2014/08/20/pmsp-usa-pistola-insegura-diz-ministerio-publico/

>>33044252

Yep, cause they inherit Beretta machinery.