Mosin Discussion Thread! I've got an M39 myself, and I

>>33025778
Commercial x54R ammo is widely available, and it doesn't suffer from the same problem 8mm Mauser has.

So I've never felt the need to handload it.

>>33025833
Gotcha. It's not that it's not widely-available, but that it's quite expensive to buy the good stuff ($0.75/round post-shipping). So I figure I can save a lot by hand-loading, and re-using the brass at least 6 or 7 times. I have 200 rounds of Privi sitting around that I plan to shoot, and then reload.

Not to look down on great ammo like Silver Bear, but I figure for an M39 I should only use the best possible for each pull of the trigger.

>>33025899
I buy cheap steel case like Tula or Barnaul for practice, and buy better stuff (like S&B Match) for target shooting.

If you plan on handloading, I suggest looking into what Lapua has.

>>33026032
But these days, steel case is $0.48 or so after shipping if you're lucky, while ammo in reloadable brass is $0.75 a piece after shipping. So for $0.27 extra, you get reloadable brass. I've heard good stuff about the Privi and S&B brass.

Lapua has high-quality brass, but unfortunately is a bit tougher to work with in most loading recipes because the case walls are thicker. Thus the chamber pressure is higher than expected. Also, the lapua brass goes for >$1 a piece, and I'm not sure that the quality is enough to compensate.

Though, I'll be sure to keep what you said in mind. Thanks for the advice.

>>33026151
I buy most of my ammunition locally. The shops around here regularly have steel case and brass x54R available. I do buy match ammo online though.

I don't know much about Lapua's brass, only that their bullets are supposed to be excellent for handloading x54R.

This might be worth watching idk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBk8bCvEa-s

>>33026183
Ahhhh, I see. It's pretty nice to have a local store with a ready supply of 54R rounds. My neck of Jersey mostly has stuff for clay shooters and AR target shooters.

The brass is high-quality but odd with recipes. The bullets, however, are quite expensive and equally good. D166 ball (a wide, 200gr FMJ projectile) is probably the highest-recommended bullet I've seen among collectors for use in M39's. If I ever compete I'll probably use that.

>>33026194
Thanks!

>>33025833
>8mm

Just kill me, why did I think it was a good idea to buy a Mauser for recreational shooting

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>>33026247
>he didn't buy it cheap and stack it deep

>>33026247
You could try to find a gunsmith to convert it to .308 potentially

>>33025899
You can get at least 10 loads per piece of brass from Prvi, so long as you aren't charging them heavy. 50gr of IMR 4895 and a 150gr bullet is a great and affordable load, and with the right bullet can be very accurate. Usually I just go with the cheapest ones I can find though.

>>33026582
Gotcha. Good to know. Thank you!

Somewhat related, as a big ducking idiot in a fit of passion I bought a 200rnd tin of 54r for 200$, haven't touched it in years, only way I'll use it is if I can hunt with it.

Anyone know a good way of working up some cast Mexican match?

What is the best price for a Finngol Mosin right now? I have $500 saved up and there is a big 2000 table gun show near me next weekend

>>33029608
You'd be lucky to get a Finn Mosin for $500 at this point

>>33029608
M39's go for about $450 or so. At this point... being very experienced with that platform myself, I'd definitely pay $500 for a similar condition M39 to the one I bought for $350 (counter-bored, excellent barrel, 97% bluing intact).

If you REALLY want a Finnish Mosin that bad, then $450 might be worth it for an excellent condition M39. Consider yourself lucky to get another model in great condition for less than $500.

>>33025778
>and I was looking to start handloading for it.

Of all the silly calibers to reload for

>>33025778
I reload for my 1898 tula. First and foremost I didnt get into it for saving money. Cost wise I'm making rounds for about the same as ok-quality brass shit i can find over the counter and its nowhere near as cheap as tula or BB or any of that steel stuff you can find everywhere. What sold reloading for me tho was the increase in accuracy and being able to hit POA with my rifle. With tula @ 100 yards Id aim about 8 inches high to hit bullseye and that wasnt acceptable for me. It also shrank my group size in half although that could have been achieved by not being lazy and becoming a better shot but for me reloading was a cheat imo. Reloading itself is an enjoyable process and for me its spending gun time when im not out at the range. With all that being said ive had good luck with projectiles around 200gr ( soft points and round nose ), varget powder, and ppu brass. Oh yeah...slug your dam bore too before you reload.

>>33036063
Thanks, mate. The increase in accuracy is really appealing to me, along with the decrease in price for that accuracy. My M39 is my favorite rifle (though my Yugo SKS comes close) and I'm trying to find ways to make better use of it since I can blast steel through my SKS all day. Spending gun time not at the range sounds really appealing too.

>>33033742
If I was just using a standard garbage rod 91/30, sure. But the Finnish Mosins and old M1891's are definitely worth the effort.

>>33036138
My m91 is my favorite too and the excitement i have going to the range with a slightly tweaked loading and expecting better performance ( havent been let down yet ) is one of the best feelings one can have at the range with a gun 119 y/o gun. Once I get around 4" consistently I'm going to head out to 300 and try that. Still a novice shooter.

>>33036236
That's pretty great that as a novice shooter, you've immersed yourself in handloading. What distance are you shooting at? I've noticed it helps to stagger my distance based on meters rather than yards, so I can adjust sights more properly for distance. How's the trigger on your M91?

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>>33036257
Shooting for 3 years. This is my 1st year/gun at 100 yards. I started with my mosin but now shoot my ar and ak at 100 yards. If i keep my rear sight all the way down i hit poa with my 1898 ( see pic ). I got into reloading for sits and giggles but got my own kit/setup for my mosin ( only gun i reload for ). As for the trigger its not as good as my old m39 but after a good cleaning and a bit of 00 steel wool ( sorry! ) its at a point i can predict the break where it was originally a bit here or there. Other then a good cleaning and a bit of polish on the trigger i havent and DO NOT plan to mod the gun out. Ill never sell this gun and ill never alter it from factory setup.

>>33036309
>Shooting for 3 years

Hell if you're a notice.

>Shooting at 100 yards

Hey, that's great. Without support, with support, both?

>Trigger cleaning w/ 00 steel wool

Sorry, not sorry. To be honest the old 1891s had sub-par triggers and it's fine to get some of the grit off if just a bit. The older Mosins were notorious for that trigger creep you noticed.

>I'll never seel this gun and I'll never alter it from factory setup

Hey, that's great man. Glad you like it so much.


Funny story, I tried to add one of those Brass Stacker removable scope mounts to my M39. For some reason it resisted, against all odds, actually accepting the mount and tended to knock it loose during zeroing. This was after I attempted two installations. The rifle actually shot sub-MOA with the iron sights, when I shot through them out of curiosity during the zeroing process. The M39 looked much "happier" after removing the mod, though the folks at Brass Stacker were great to deal with during the return and were surprised the mount didn't stay on (my rifle has oddly-loose cross-bolt tolerances in the stock).

>have a lee-enfield
>have a mauser
>want a mosin to round out the big euro rifles

what's a good make/model that's under 300? I kind of want Russian because of the interesting hammer/sickle marking.

>>33036391
These days it's relatively hard to get a decent Mosin of any type sub-$300. Though I guess you could go for a 91/30 if you want a Russian.

>>33036391
http://7.62x54r.net/

>>33036355
Supported. Without support i can hit my target but not with all 5 shots unless i slow down and focus on my breathing. I'd like to get into long range matches at my local club but I think Id like to get a modern bolt action, learn about scopes, windage, and all that then maybe bring the mosin out for a fun match day.

The trigger creep was a bit confusing at first but the more I shoot the gun and the more familiar i am with it the less i think about it when i shoot until i let a friend behind the trigger lol. So i think its still there but to me there is a difference compared to when i purchased it to now. The only other things I added were steel fin sling swivels to add to the originality since its a "capture" rifle and i tied a russian copper coin to the front barrel band that was made in the same year. Man the stories these guns could tell if they could talk lol.

>>33036391
If you can save a bit more and get a rifle like mine ( m91 ) or an M39. I like mine for the history and the m39 for a quality. If you can save about 500 that can get you one if you find a deal on gunbroker...my m91 was about 450 and a few years ago i got my m39 for 350/400ish?. If not a standard 91/30 can be had under 300 if you look around,

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>>33036494
>>33036439
>>33036414

fucking hell I got the lee enfield for 350 and the mauser for 319. when did mosins get more expensive than enfields and mausers?

>>33036675
You can find a standard mosin for around 250 average. 215 would be a good deal. once you start going around and above 300 you should be looking at a rarer variant like a finned rifle. If you are looking for a gun youll shoot often or something you want for the history get a rarer version. If you want something just to have it or worse yet...to bubba...get a common round receiver mosin.

>>33036675
You got those a little while ago, no? The milsurp market has dried up a lot since then. Non-German Mausers are so cheap because the demand for them is low, due to the ammo being so expensive. They're definitely high-quality firearms and I'd probably recommend them over Mosins for some people with particular tastes.

>>33036769
Yeah, I guess you can still get a Mosin for low-$200's range, but don't expect anything fancy. The most common models will probably go for around $215 as this anon said.

>>33026247
>20 rounds is 7.99
Whats the big deal.

>>33036817
Until the deals on Sportsman's Guide disappear, at which point they'll go back up to $0.50/round.

>>33036817
That stuff is out-of-spec garbage that won't chamber in numerous rifles. That's why they're clearing it out.

>>33036811

>You got those a little while ago, no?

I got the mauser in January and the lee enfield in February

>>33036875
Ahhhh, so very recently? Good finds, and good for you! The Mosins are still the cheapest to shoot though, and still have a pretty good parts market.

>>33036874
Good to know. The reviews are hit-or-miss on them.

>>33025778
if you are handloading might as well get 53r brass

>>33036355
>The M39 looked much "happier" after removing the mod
99% cetrain that's because the rifle really *was* happier with irons, people keep telling me that inanimate objects can't have a will of their own, but I disagree...

>>33025778
There are a bunch of listings like this on gunbroker.
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/622595087

Is it just a trap or would you ever get one?

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>>33037365
>Is it just a trap
What did he mean by this?

>>33026194
thank God there are YouTubers like Iraqveteran8888 who do their research right, another YouTuber who also runs a militaria sales business on the other hand talks out of his ass & will immediately lash out at & then promptly block anyone who, in good faith, tries to point out an error he made, such as when he repeatedly calls M39 a 54r...

>>33037388
Something that you think would be cool or a fun project but then months later all you have parts to a gun you can't shoot.

>>33029565
Haha, you think that is bad? I bought 880 round case three years ago. I've used ~100 rounds.

Then again that's back when 880 rounds of 54r cost about $200 from AIM Surplus.

>>33037393
>Iraqveteran8888 who do their research right
Good joke.

>>33037407
If you already have an M44 stock set you're G2G. A couple years ago places like AIM were selling them off in bundles of 3 and such, and someone was buying. Now those buyers can pick up barreled actions and put the two together.

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>>33037521
Would you ever buy one to custom make your own stock?

>>33037521
>Good joke.
their knowledge on M39 is spot on, unlike that retard Mike B...

>>33037309
I would agree.

>>33037365
It can be cheaper to just buy the barreled action and then the stock set sometimes. Issue is that these rifles are often zeroed with their factory stocks, so you might have to spend a lot of time re-adjusting to get the zero you want (and most Mosins are a pain in the ass to zero laterally).

>>33037580
>>33037393
He's hit or miss. IV888 claimed that only some M39's are safe to shoot surplus ammo with, during his M39 video, indicated by the "D" marking. However, all M39s have this modification done and the "D" marking just came in later to clarify that. So he likely scared people out of buying non-"D" marked barrels that were actually rarer rifles than not. I'm nitpicking though, and most of the time he's right.

>>33037415
I spent $700 on surplus ammo, once, and only ended up using $100's worth. Needless to say I was able to get my money back, but it was still a waste of time.

>>33037565
Please, no.

>>33038182
>He's hit or miss. IV888 claimed that only some M39's are safe to shoot surplus ammo with, during his M39 video, indicated by the "D" marking.
and Mike B claims that the only difference between 53r and 54r is bullet weight, followed by him contradicting himself and pointing out the difference between D- and B -marked rifles, then followed by him blocking the person he was lashuing out at.

>>33038239
I'm not talking about Mike B. . .

>>33038252
but I was; if you'd be so kind as to go to my first comment: >>33037393

>>33038182
D166-marking has nothing to do with safety of x54R.

So my M39 has a couple hairline cracks from the first barrel band running towards the stock joint.

I filled them best I could with some epoxy etc etc. What is the prognosis from here? It doesn't seem like a portion of the stock hat would receive much of the recoil force.