What sort of shooting drills do you guys do? Looking for ideas

>>33017057
I drill your mom

>>33017057
Do that except also do it from your holster. 4 seconds is a pretty long time for 3 shots inside 5 yards, but it's a good start I guess. Just work your way down to less time at that range.

>>33017057
>mozambique drill
>4 seconds for 3 shots
is this the 'shitty range rules' version?

>>33017185
maybe it's the carry empty version

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>>33017192
>carrying empty

>>33017257
what else would you need 4 seconds for ?

>>33017271
like I said, shitty ranges that does no more than a round a second

>>33017317
Pretty sure it's to include the draw and set at a comfortable window so people just starting out can still successfully complete the drill while also ensuring that their draw is conducted safely. It's practical to do this a lot faster but if you're just learning it's entirely possible that rushing could increase your chances of a ND.

...besides which, 4 seconds is fast as fuck in any situation except for the guy already having a gun pointed at you, in which case you might not have much better luck even if you're down at 2 seconds or less given that average human reaction time is 200ms.

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>>33017185
Dude I just ripped the picture from google, like I said I'm just trying to get ideas of more combat drills and reloading drills.

>>33017057
525 Drill

target - 8.5x11 paper
range - 25 yards
6 second par time
starting position - from the holster
on the buzzer, draw from concealment and fire (5) rounds at the target - any shots over par time are disqualified.

Repeat the drill for a total of (5) runs. Your goal is 20/25 shots on target, under par or greater.

>>33017057
El Presedente
>3 silhouette targets spaced a yard apart
>load two mags with 6 rounds each
>start with your back to the target
On the buzzer turn and draw. Put two rounds into each target, reload, and then put two more rounds into each target.
A good beginner time is around 10~12 seconds. For scoring purposes each miss is 5 seconds. Only hits to center mass count.

drawing from ccw holster low light etc.

so many ranges dont allow it due to safety and insurance and gun class price monopoly reasons.

>>33017710

Also do the pistol FASTest

>>33017057
Dot torture exercises

>>33017710
>>33018316

Also Bill drill at 7 and 25

>>33017057
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDtbk8sZXbg

>>33017379
>4 seconds is fast as fuck
>for 3 shots
>5 yards
idk where your standards are from but hell no it ain't

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou0GjvPkUzA

>>33018997
Your examples are lacking in complete dominating excellence.

See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkz4SJnRuxM

>>33019018
Samefag here. I want to follow up with this one, because I realize lots of you are new or inexperienced and cannot see why what you just saw was absolute lighting and dominant and almost beyond equal, here's something more visual you might have an easier time quantifying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpU3l_3DiTA

>>33019018
lol i specifically avoided posting the fast cause i'm expecting some autist to complain about "muh unrealistic shot order"

>>33017057
Better is 2 chest then a face shot, opening with head shots don't look too defensive
And do it at 7 yards or more

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>>33017057
Mozambique Drill...
>not Djibouti Shooty

This thread was doomed from the get go.

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>>33017057
two in the belly

one in the head

knocks a man down and kills him dead

>>33019230
Haha good point, although half the battle is earning (Yous) by any means necessary.

>>33019230
Curious, how do you do on an honest cold 2/3 FAST?

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These are some pretty good practice drills, especially if you're new to running of a shot timer, or want manipulation practice. Also low round count.

AR drill

15yds/ 6sec PAR

Rep 1: 5rds from low ready
Rep 2: 3rds (1rd, speed load, 2rds)
Rep 3: 2rds (1rd, emergency load, 1rd)
Rep 4: 2rds (1rd, transition to handgun, 1rd)

Repeat.

Handgun

7yds/ 6sec PAR

Rep 1: 2rds from low ready
Rep 2: 2rds from holster
Rep 3: From Low ready, 1rd , speed reload 1rd
Rep 4: From Holstered, 1rd, speed reload, 1rd

I use pic related for a target. Shoutout to MDFI.

>>33017057
Why is it called the failure drill?

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>>33019611
It's a theory craft where the two to the thoracic cavity didn't stop the attacker in his actions, so now you shoot him in the head.

It's kinda a stupid drill, asking you to perform a finer motor function under more stress in a situation where the guy might fall over .25 seconds to 8 seconds later.

Better mag dump on the chest or mag dump on the head as long as you're comfortable at the distance you're at.

>>33019682
Agreed, shoot until the threat is stopped.

>>33019785

I like doing different drills because /fun/ but when it comes down to it the bill drill at the head or thoracic cavity at whatever distance and time is probably the most universal self defense drill from a weapons handling perspective.

>>33019785
In the simplest form, yes. Self defense instructors will very much emphasize (2) locations in which pistol caliber ammunition guaranteed medically incapacitate.

So yes we shoot until the threat stops, but we also want to program ourselves to shoot a recognizable location on said threat as effectively and repeatably as possible.

why shoot him twice in the chest if you already shot him in the head?

>>33020247
It's a bad graphic, you are supposed to start with the thoracic cavity and then the cranial ocular.

>>33020216
Sorry, I thought that went without saying. A CNS hit is always prefered, as is a solid chest hit. You're certainly right, this is absolutely the case. I've trained with a number of instructors, and a few of them wont even accept hits outside of about a 6in area on the chest.

>>33020281

ok sure but why bother with body shots if your end result is to shoot them in the head? also did you really find in necessary to use anatomic terms

>>33019682

I figured it was in case the assailant was wearing body armor.

>>33020337

body shot has a better chance of hitting and most people wont be wearing a vest

>>33020337
to make sure you hit them and then that they die

>>33020378

the entire drill itself just screams psudo-operator bullshit. if you're going to train to shoot people in the head, just shoot it first. if you're going to shoot the body, then shoot it a lot. granted the torso is larger than the head but at the ranges you're expecting to use a sidearm its not improbable to land a headshot.

>>33020407

well it kind of is pseudo-operator bullshit in most cases.

But the body is a bigger, easier target to hit while under duress so it should be first priority to shoot. If 2 to the chest doesnt kill somebody then you may have missed a vital organ, they dont know they are dead yet and will drop in a few seconds or they are wearing a vest and you have no way to know which one it is so its best just to play it safe and shoot his head at this point.

Its just covering all your bases.

>>33020314
No dude I'm the one who's sorry, I wasn't trying to correct you, I was confident you knew what's up, I just wanted to make it clear cut for the lurkers.

>>33020337
Believe me you raise a valid question, it's been asked before.

>>33020367
>walking through sketch street, right by getmugged alley
>some drugie out of his mind demands your wallet
>tell him no and walk away
>starts coming at you
>you defend yourself
>druggie is 270lb and out of his mind on bath salts
>2 shots of 9mm to the chest does nothing
>muscle memory
>shoot fucker in the face
>he drops
It's an extremely unlikely scenario that you would run into someone like that or someone in a vest, but it's also very unlikely you'll ever need to use your gun for SD at all, but you practice it because it's fun, doesn't hurt, and in the very rare scenario, could save your life

>>33020648

>muh bath salts

drugs don't turn people into magical beings. shoot people in places that will kill them and you're good to go.

>>33020720
>Implying nobody out of their mind has ever taken a 2 bullets and been able to keep going
>Implying I don't know shot placement is important
how did the greentext end nigger?

>>33020496
Wait...hold up....did we just settle an internet misunderstanding like adults?!?

Groovy.

It's all good komrade.

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4 seconds? You double tap that nigga he's not going to patently wait for the coup de grace.

>>33019362
honestly it's hard to think of anyone alive who can go 10/10 sub 3s in real concealment clothes (aka not a straight drop IDPA holster under a faggy vest that will reveal your pistol as soon as a gust blows it aside)

you'd have to be really fast and accurate at drawing, shooting, and reloading. shooting those kinds of times means literally nothing can go wrong

>>33020337
IDK dude, I wasn't in Mozambique

>>33020337
Yeah, if I know the words, I'mma use 'em ya dingus.

>>33020720
Actually drugs are capable of allowing people to perform beyond their normal tolerances of strength and pain management.

"Shoot people in places that will kill them" is great advice, but there are only a few very hard to hit places that are immediate stops and they're all CNS. People can survive and fight after being shot in the head or heart even, at least for limited amounts of time, in some circumstances.

I've given up on the Mozambique drill. I shot for score for 10 years and you would get the same points for the pelvic girdle as you do for the head (femoral artery is a wonderful vessel). 2 in the chest, 1 in the dick. Even if it gets me killed, I'll die shooting someone in the dick.

>>33017057
Love the BFM drill:

pistol/rifle loaded with 8 rounds, 3 targets about an El Pres' distance away.

Draw (in my case from concealment) and bill drill center target, shift to left and FAST (2 headshots, reload and 4 chest shots). Shift to right and mozambique it.

Do it twice, one center-left-right and the other center-right-left.

Also I try to do the CTT MEC

https://www.dropbox.com/s/oug2de3htrcrjul/CTT-%20MEC%20rev2%20final.mov?dl=0

That's the video, this is the score sheet
http://www.ctt-solutions.com/classes-offered/documents/

>>33019273
This.

Also my other favorite re named drill, Alabama pocket sand.

anyone has the screencap of all the other names for the mozambique drill, cant find it on google.

>>33020905
I was curious how you generally do 2/3 cold

>>33022719
>http://www.ctt-solutions.com/classes-offered/documents/
nice

>>33020648
I just don't like the arbitrary shot order and number.

I look at it like this, in your scenario, I would continue dumping on body until he closed the distance to 5-3 yards, at that distance I would transition to the head and dump there, because that's my comfort zone making that kind of on demand shot.

If you're all hyper conditioned to failure drill this guy, he might be 8 yards out and that head shot might not only miss and be worthless but might strike an innocent.

A good way to drill for transitioning based off of personal skill and comfort would be to set a USPSA metric 10 yards out, draw and begin controlled fire as fast as you caqn while advancing on him, when you feel you are close enough to land consistent headshots transition to that target and continue to fire.

Repeat this drill until you find your comfort zone for mobile headshots.

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>>33017057
You still here faggot OP?

Good job thanking all the contributors, you're a real peach.

>>33017057
>Looking for ideas for the weekend

Look no further.

https://pistol-training.com/drills

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>>33019682
>>33019785
>>33020367
>>33020407
>>33020486

>confusing drills with tactics

http://soldiersystems.net/2014/06/28/gunfighter-moment-mike-pannone-20/

>>33017057
Yo, homie! Is that my briefcase?

>>33020337
Ask someone from Djibouti.

>>33025507
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozambique_Drill
It's literally called the mozambique drill, you autist.

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>>33017057

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>>33019018
>mfw watching this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZVykE-IDjk

>>33019018
Am I actually seeing someone on /k/ that does actual shooting?

Wow

I was particularly fond of /k/'s summertime challenge a few years back.

>shoot a smiley face onto a pie plate at 25yds

>>33027799
That's not "actual" shooting, that's world class, second to none shooting.

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>>33017057

>>33028449
Pistol rounds rarely if ever shatter hips.

Hip shots are an urban legend, shoot the hip only if there is no high area of mass to aim at.

>>33017057
What i do is start out at 5yds, shoot at target, if its within 4 inches move further back a yard. Repeat. If you are outside of 4 inches move closer a yard. If you really suck, and you are missing at 1 yard, put the gun directly on target.

I created this type of practice for a friend who was VERY recoil shy. He somehow hit the ground 1 yard away from the target and i made him put the gun straight on the paper to hit it.

It builds confidence through anger.

>>33017057
should take no more than 2 seconds no? BAM BAM and then BAM

>>33017057
Right now I'm just trying to speed things up and tighten up my groups with faster firing.

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>>33028801
me too and it's causing agony.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ9KMu4mD40

>>33025887
I love this one.

>>33020337


because you aim center of mass asshole

>>33020890
Depends on if it is from the holster or not, and the level of retention/concealment.

4 seconds, from an IWB 4:30 paddle holster drawing your sub compact and performing Alpha hits at that range in 4 seconds would be excellent work.

No starting from the low ready with a full size SAO steel frame RDS gun on the other hand........

>>33027799
>>33027875

Lol no one that good browses here, their ability to impart knowledge goes right in to the trash. Also neo /k/ is actually fulfilling the meme prophecy of /k/ being no guns from years before.

>at work
>have to go to section 8 apartments/dark side of town
>sitting in my truck looking at work order
>eggnog rick rolls up on side of my truck
>know from common sense that i am at the disadvantage because im seated
>his hands are deep in his pockets like hes holding something
>just before he gets to my window i open the door so he has to step back
>he asks for a few dollars probably wants me to pull my wallet out
>"dont carry cash on me"
>he asks to bum a smoke
>grab pack out of pocket hand him one
>say "you know these things will kill ya"
>light a smoke with him
>he says thanks and keeps walking

Not sure if it would have went differently if i hadnt gotten out of my truck

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>>33025530
Excellent reference, in fact the very scene that made me interested in defensive pistol shooting. Westerns never did it for me, but that scene did.

>>33020720
>>33022048

Drugs allow some one to psycologically resist longer, and to a marginal degeree they allow someone to physically resist longer due to increased heart rate.

But if you swiss cheese a human beings thoracic cavity - drugs or no drugs they will be doing the tired dog circle and lay down to sleep move inside 10 seconds, guaranteed.

>>33027411
Jesus christ, I give up.

>>33025507
Who let the military guys who learned from the competition guys in?

>>33020337
the class i took called it "failure to stop"
shooting a threat twice should stop/kill, a controlled pair
if not move to face shots

>>33030668
Here's my general problem with that dated dogma - I have additional thoughts but check these two.

>>33019682
>>33024658

>>33017057
Had training the other day at work. We shot steel while moving and practicing button hooks and crisscross-applesauce & combinations.

If you shoot somewhere (outdoor range) where you can practice moving and firing (ie firing while advancing or retreating/lateral movement to cover) it's good practice.

Feelings also get hurt when shooting steel. Instant feedback on hits. Combine that with shootign and moving and it's good training.

>>33030688
cant say those would do anyone wrong

the instructors were big on bringing up different legal shit you could get into. Head shots were a major one. they really stressed not starting with them

>>33030795
>Had training the other day at work. We shot steel

I used to be a steel-only practical shooter

then I was asked to make hits on paper in par times

I was a total wreck, why? because steel provided instant feedback

I shot for speed/practicality only on steel for years, then when asked to deliver to paper - I kept disengaging from proper follow through and observing the target.

Mind you I'll keyhole or one hole with pistols without a timer.

Why? No direct stimulus feedback, shitty too because shoot people mimics paper more than steel.

I'm not trying to tell you anything, your input just reminded me that I wanted to share this thought.

Take it for what it's worth .

>>33030864

Oh I get it. . .

They are both valuable. I'm coming from the other direction. 99% of the time I've shot on paper. Paper is static. Unless it's really windy, you have a static target.

Getting hits on steel when it's been hit a few times (we had a Christmas tree, falling silhouette targets and the round spinners), flailing around, moving etc is a different sort of challenge from the "Q" targets we usually shoot.

I liken it to going into the gym and doing the same sets over and over for years. Gotta mix it up and work different muscles/brain cells.

>>33030814
What area of the country are you in? If you don't mind me asking. I always like instructors who take time to cover legality and I find that usually happens with instructors from the coasts.

>>33031034
it was the four day class at frontsight
its by las vegas. the classes were lots of static shooting, an hour lecture/day and then more shooting

>>33017192
>>33017185

It's a "from low ready" version it appears.
4 seconds at 5 yards from low ready isvery realistic for non autists or professionals.

>>33031097
Damn you went to front sight? I'll lick your boots for that, did you stay at the hotel with the built-in gun cleaning rooms?

>>33027815
What were the specific conditions because that can range from superficially easy to expert level execution.

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star here op

Bump for Euro's - genuinely curious - do you do drills? Or is it all limited to bullseye shooting circa-america 1980

>>33031131
KEK
no but they were taking donations for the build

>>33031485
Pretty sure one is already in town?

>>33031581
my bad, didnt know there was a hotel that really had that
frontsight itself has had plans of making a "shooting resort" but only has a proshop and auditorium so far

These are the kind of pointless reps I did before I considered what and why I was drawing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYpNSx6y1eI

Mostly in this stuff I saw myself as some kind of cowboy gunfighter - in what context this would exist - I have yet to discern.

>>33020337
If I'm not mistaken this was taught to police officers in the case where they had to draw and fire their weapon. The idea of the police shooting isn't to outright kill the attacker but to instead incapacitate or neutralize the threat. In the event that the attacker kept coming, the last option for neutralization is a headshot. Also, keep in mind drilling doesn't mean you'll use this. It's mostly general to concentrated target transition I believe.

>>33020496
>>33020314
Jesus Christ just suck each other's dicks already
>i'm so sorry you're right no you're right i'm so sorry so sorry you're absolutely right

>>33031794
maybe they are buddies, pal

>>33031794
Sorry that we upset you bro!!

>>33031436
this

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>>33031794
hi hun

>>33028669
noguns loremode: activated

>>33017061
God, that's original. Are you on holiday from /b/

bump OP did you shoot?

>>33018354
This.

You need to waterboard yourself.

>faggy shooting drill
>hurr if the two shots to the chest don't stop them, the shot to the head will
Just shoot them in the head first, checkmate.

>>33031120
idiot

>>33023297

Egyptian Conniption.

>>33022085
>aiming for arteries and not the main part of the CNS

You aren't the sharpest lightbulb in the knife drawer.

>>33020337
What if you miss the head

>4 seconds
Jesus fuck, this is acceptable? I took a class in 2008 at the end of which I put two rounds each on three steel targets at 15 yards, reloaded, then did it again, and did all that in 5.95 seconds.

>>33035703
Also
>tfw haven't shot seriously in three years
>tfw no El Prez time to dickwave
I need to get back out to some matches.

>>33030413
Doesn't matter because you got out of your truck.

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>>33017057
uhh ok, is the 2 to the chest first or the one to the head?

if it's a "failure" drill then shouldn't it be 1 to the head then two chest shots??

>>33030590
A lot of military training comes from competition shooting, then is adapted for military use.

>>33035790
How the fuck can a headshot fail

It's a he's still coming/he's on PCP/he had body armor drill. It's still all about training to finely control your shots rapidly.

>>33035852
the two body shots are after the headshot attempt, in case it fails.....

>>33035880
>>33035852
(as in, you miss)

>>33035880
>>33035885
Yeah, not the intention. The headshot is for when for whatever reason two rounds to the chest cavity hasn't dropped the guy, so you thwack his dome while he's reeling from two full power baseball bat swings of energy smashing into his chest.

>>33035852

Surprisingly easily.

Not everywhere on the head is immediately lethal. The zone you should be aiming at is, depending on who you talk to, the size of the black on an NRA B8 bull, a 3x5 index card, or an upside-down triangle with about a 4" wide base -- all of which cover the area from the forehead to the eyes to the bridge of the nose. Keeping in mind that this is a small target on an already-small base that also happens to be moving, it's pretty easy to miss the important stuff on a headshot.

Having said all of that, a lot of people are going to stop what they're doing because they got shot in the face. It happens often (jaw, mouth, cheeks, grazing shot, etc.), even though they're still conscious. Since it's the person making a decision that, "oh fuck this really hurts, let's stop what we're doing," however, it's not something that should be trained for with an expectation of 100% success.

The B8 bull is also representative of the important stuff in the chest, so you really ought to be able to hit that at speed. If you can't, lots of holes in the upper chest are the answer (cause more blood loss -> rapid loss of blood pressure -> loss of consciousness).

>>33035108
Not yet. We're going out tomorrow. I'm still looking for rifle drills though. Guess I could just use handgun drills and shoot from a longer distance.

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>>33035792
That was my joke.

>>33037112
Rifles are boring precision instruments and yes, just apply pistol drills with them to develop martial skills at close range.

Also force everyone (who is safe) to run the FAST and hold them accountable, it's brutal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYYYmIWf700

>>33037264
Sorry for being a noob but what is a FAST? I haven't taken any classes or anything yet.

>>33017257
I carry in condition 7
>slide in left pocket
>frame in tactical fanny pack
>magazine unloaded in mag holder on belt
>loose rounds in right pocket

That way I don't ND into my femoral artery.

>>33020720
There have been many many documented cases of people incurring non survivable wounds (something that would probably kill them even if it happened on an operating table in an emergency room.) and then continuing on for a while before they are actually incapacitated. There have been many cases where both the aggressor and the victim inflicted lethal wounds on each other and both died at the scene.

You may dump a mag into someone coming at you hitting both lungs and the heart which will kill them in a few minutes but it only takes a few seconds for them to get on you and stab your carotid in the meantime then you are both dead. Drugs make this more likely but it could happen even with the natural drug of adrenaline in their system.

>>33037899
No worries dude, I think it's awesome you're interested.

Here's the breakdown:

https://pistol-training.com/fastest

>>33031389
fuck you that shit is nonsense garbage

>>33017257
lol, carrying empty

My most dumbest thoughts during carrying concealed for the first time in my life

>Walk around, shit everyone knows me
>Walk around, damn, I'm carrying a glock with a properly custom built holster system, but the gun might just go off because there's a bullet in there
>Thinking gun will fall out due to poor retention built into the kydex

>Nothing happened, no issues, and never had a gun go off with no finger on the trigger...

>>33032416
go directly to jail, do not collect $200

>>33039122
this

>>33038342
Thanks pham, actually learning stuff in this thread

>>33034287
>jokes have to be original to be funny

>>33040188
good deal, the skill ceiling is infinite for this stuff.

most of /k/ has no business in this conversation

>>33037970
california pls go

>>33040188
Are you interested in rifle or pistol or both?

The mozambique drill was originally developed as a drill for handling the possibility of a threat wearing non obvious body armor at close range. The first two quick two rounds to the chest are meant to stun or delay the attacker long enough to aid in getting off a third(typically more carefully aimed) shot to the head. If the guy drops with the first two then great, stop shooting but keep your weapon on him. If the first two shots haven't produced an immediate effect on target then put one in his no response zone. While the likely hood of encountering an armored opponent is relatively low, and i honestly think that you'd be better off handling such an encounter differently i do think that the drill does have some real world merit.

1. A perfectly placed shot severing the ascending aorta from the top of the heart and resulting in maximal blood loss will result in unconsciousness(more so coma) in ~4s via blood loss. While an individual will possibly or even likely either chose to stop fighting or go unconscious from a form of syncope(fainting) before this it is no guarantee, and there are many incidents where people have continued to fight on for minutes after being shot many times. Considering these facts in light of how long it would take an individual to panic fire a magazine of ammo in your direction(hint: less than 4s) a security shot on a target who isnt obviously in the process of giving up the fight doesnt seem like a crazy idea.

2. Most SD shootings occur at conversational distances and many times an aggressor will seek to close the distance as the fight continues to ensure your demise, this means that you get to aim for the larger chest target at a distance, and then can change to the head when there's less chance of missing.

Frankly i think this would be of limited use for SD unless your opponent is moving over open ground or perhaps armed with a melee weapon. otherwise it should only occur as a happy accident

>>33041236
samefag.

- where you WERE shooting at somebody's COM, but they got all up in your personal space while still vertical so you ended things quickly with a shot to the head when it became a viable option.

>>33017057
Whether you like him or not HaleyStrategic on youtube has a lot of good drills. VikingTactical has a good amount as well.

>>33017061
not gonna lie m8 , i had a giggle

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>>33041322
Also Ernest Langdon and LuckyGunner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPRlsXZ_Spw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGJZRapjzOo

>>33017061
>fbpb
>I came here to post this

>>33041236
>and i honestly think that you'd be better off handling such an encounter differently
out of curiosity what would you say is the best way to deal with such an encounter?

>>33019073
Jesus donkey-fucking Christ

>>33019230
>lol i specifically avoided posting the fast cause i'm expecting some autist to complain about "muh unrealistic shot order"

Like-every-drill-should-be-a-realistic-force-on-force-fight-

I will never understand this kind of autism. In this case, why bother shooting at targets? Paper has never shot back at you. I can guarantee every single timmy tactical would get their asses raped at DARC, complaining about how the FAST drill is """unrealistic"""

>>33044731
>DARC
Google isn't giving me anything, what is this?

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>>33044806
It's a force on force training site for LE and MIL. Regarded as one of the hardest classes you can go to. There's SOF dudes who come back from multiple deployments thinking they're hot shit then get their asses handed to them at DARC.

https://primaryandsecondary.com/aar-darc-lectc-2/

>>33044858
Thanks anon, sounds like one hell of a grinder.
I don't suppose there is any way for non-LE/MIL to experience anything similar is there?

>>33044890
>I don't suppose there is any way for non-LE/MIL to experience anything similar is there?

Doubt it. There really isn't too much of a point for a civilian to do something like this but to my knowledge, in some agencies, civilians get to participate in LE sim training as OPFOR or bystanders.

Also another good read on DARC. Primary & Secondary has good podcasts with stories about DARC from time to time.

http://www.defensereview.com/direct-action-resource-center-darc-law-enforcement--course-level-2-lectc-2-ballistic-and-explosive-breaching-live-fire-with-suppressed-tactical-ar-15-carbinesbrs-force-on-fo/

>>33044918
Got it, just interested since first hand experience of something like that might help with a little project I'm working on. I appreciate the links!

>>33044950
No problem. I bet you can go on Primary & Secondary's website to their forum page and you'll most likely find plenty of AAR's (After Action Report) on sim training if you want some more detailed accounts on this type of stuff.

>>33017804
I second this, el prez is god tier handgun drill

>>33020720
You must not be a hunter. Many warm blooded creatures don't realize you've killed them for some time after they've been shot ever if your shots are good.

A couple of years ago I shot a deer through both lungs and clipped the bottom of the heart and the fucker ran over 100 yards before he collapsed. That was with a 12 gauge slug from just over 125 yards.

The only animals I've ever shot who just dropped took the hit to the upper spine or through the ear canal.

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>>33030044
My god, all that extraneous movement...

>>33044389
If you're worried about targets wearing body armor you should either bring a rifle, or practice double taps to the head. although if its level IV the first wont help all that much, and the latter takes a bit of skill.

>>33031389
The target version of this is a good idea that's impossible to put into practice: anyone who needs that kind of elementary advice is shooting all over and anyone who can shoot within the center bull doesn't find any value in the target because their problems are more likely due to multiple factors.

>>33031436
I actually do drills. It's mostly for bragging rights and competition with my range buddy. My favorite is the addition game where you designate five targets decreasing in size (or increasing in distance and label them 1-5. You start from the holster then your buddy tells you a number less than 10 and you have to add up to it in two shots.

It's impossible to score, but it's good because it keeps you shooting with an open mind and keeps you from getting tunnel vision if you space the targets out (especially if you place them out of order left to right)

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Fast Draw save the goat

>>33045125
This.

Those reloads are plain fuckin ridiculous

>>33019449
>mdfi
I had to go look them up. Nice to see a decent looking Michigan based firearms training thing going on.

>>33044422
Right? We need to do an organized suicide, why live.