Heard that it's really overrated and got a few issues?

>>33003259
It costs way too much on the civilian market, considering it's supposed to be cheaper than the AR-15.

>>33003274
I've never played around with one. How well do they hold up?

>>33003259
Where do you hear this from? Poorfags on 4chan?

>>33003274
also a little on the heavy side

>>33003288
that for the price, you could get a better rifle which doesn't have accuracy issues.

That was most common thing I heard.

>>33003333
>dubs, dubs and quads of truth

>>33003285
They're fine guns, just pretty expensive and hard to get.
>>33003333
Accuracy issues? The 17S is a sub-MOA gun.

>>33003259

it's just not cost practical/efficient. Law of diminishing returns and all

UGG BOOT

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>>33003259
>Overrated
No
>Overpriced
Yes
>

>>33003259
What if I got it for $2000?

>>33003319
Lol, its the lightest Piston gun other than the MCX. It weighs 7lbs which is very light for a 5.56 piston gun. The 308 is a mere 7.5 pounds.

>>33003376
Whats causing it to be more expensive than other guns? To elaborate are we talking expensive production cost or FN just being greedy?

>>33003259
>Heard that it's really overrated and got a few issues?

Which ones? It's an excellent and accurate gun in 7.62.

>>33003433
FN has high labour cost. Plus you pay the brand name.

>>33003433
its like owning an audi brah you gotta put that super in it

>>33003470
Ok, I was thinking that it was more of a capital cost and brand name combined.

>>33003433
Despite FN having factories stateside that produce SCARs for the military, the ones for the US civilian market are made in Belgium with their high labor cost in an import configuration (non-folding thumbhole stock, non-threaded barrel). Then they are converted to a normal configuration after they are imported. This obviously adds unnecessary costs. Then FN adds a sizable margin for profit and you arrive at a $2700 SCAR 17s.

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>>33003259
>a few issues

So why don't you tell us?

>>33003421
That's not a M1A.

>>33003372
17S is MOA at best out of the box delusion-kun. Navy SEALs tests pegged it at 1.3 MOA.

>>33003259
The only real drawback is the cost. Everything else is fine. There was a time when magazine availability was non-existent, but that's in the past now. You can order any part you want now, too. Granted, they do cost a lot.

>>33003433
(((Belgians)))

>>33003946
Nah, people have shot sub-MOA 5 shot groups out of the box with the right ammunition.

>>33003424
Its supposed to be cheaper than an AR-15, so you still paid much too much...

>>33004937
>Its supposed to be cheaper than an AR-15
Who the fuck thought that would be possible?

>>33003531
Ah so the main issue is more a matter of spec configuration and distribution cost then? Fascinating.

>>33003274
This 3grand is not worth.

I'm in the market for one. Already own 2 AR15s and want something different. They're expensive but not as much as a new REPR, at least before they temporarily became scarce. How shit is the stock trigger? Not exactly pumped to drop an additional $300 on s Geissele.

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Been thinking of getting a 16s to go with my 17s

>>33005290
mil spec ar-15

>>33003259

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3O67SyoYDA

>>33003333
Witnessed

>>33005512
Really

>>33003426
Are there any piston guns as light as ARs, or does the piston make that impossible?

>>33003259
I got one, no problems yet besides shaky front sight post

>>33007718
A SCAR 17 is going to be lighter than most 308AR non piston guns.

>>33007801
Google says the AR10 is 7.25 lbs, and the Scar H is 7.9, both without mags.

>>33005383
I have one and can attest to its badassness.

I only bought it becuase I paid significantly lower than msrp.

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The only problems I ever hear is over priced and vapor ware issues for pic related.

I'm not saying I would suck a dick for one, but I'm not not saying it

>>33007889
Got a big check coming in three weeks, and I just cant get excited over an AR. Might try to find one around $2200, but new they are back down to under $2500, might go that route too. Optics wise thinking an aimpoint or new Trijicon 1-8

>>33003259
>$2700 all day a year or two ago.
>$3200 now because waffles won't produce more and keep losing contracts to HK
They really need to just finally kill the 16 and just produce 17s with conversion kits. There's really no point to the 16 anyways at this point.
But then again there's not much point to the 17 either as time drags on and preference seems to be choosing AR-like guns over the SCAR world wide.

Still a good gun and worth owning for the uniqueness and history alone if you can swing one.

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>>33003333

Can someone explain to me why some US military men prasie this gun in 7,62 NATO for its power and acuracy while at the same time I hardly hear something about AR10s, like the AR in 7,62 nato doesn't exist.

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>>33008226

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SCAR threads are always the best /k/ threads because they show just how many impoverished noguns actually post "knowledge" on this board.

>>33003259
When I was handling one it felt clunky and loose, like I could hear shit wobbling around.

Also it feels like its made of cheap plastic, even though its probably not.

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>>33008337
Aren't they just so much fun!

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>>33007955

Southern Carolina plant is producing them for the US, but the military is gobbling up all the receivers.

The Belgium army finally adopting the SCAR also cut into our civilian versions.

>>33008226

>Page 17: Rates of Fire

>In training and peacetime, the rifle should never be fired with unnecessary rapidity or to the point where the barrel/sound suppressor cannot be held comfortable in a bare hand because it is too hot. Although the mechanism itself is capable of a very high and rapid rate of fire, abuse of this capability will lead to premature barrel wear, loss of match grade accuracy and premature suppressor failure.

>Maximum Sustained Rate of Fire for Maximum Barrel Life: Five rounds per minute for four minutes, two minute cooling (bolt open). After 100 rounds, allow rifle to fully cool before repeating. Clean bore during cooling periods to increase barrel life and provide the best accuracy with subsequent shot groups.

>Note
>The Sustained Firing Rate is a Maximum Firing Rate, but not a recommended firing rate. In combat, you may be required to exceed the Maximum Sustained Rate to accomplish your mission. In training, you should rarely -if ever- approach the Maximum Sustained Rate of Fire.

Firing a 20 round magazine in the SR-25 in less than 4 minutes "will lead to premature barrel wear, loss of match grade accuracy and premature suppressor failure.".

But hey, that's just them covering their asses from idiots.

>>33003259
People can't afford them, the average anon that browses this board has to choose between instant ramen and the next call of duty dlc.

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>>33003259
They 17s is an amazing rifle, light weight and low recoil. Its pretty accurate even though its not meant to be a tac-driving rifle. All in all its one of the guns I least regret buying

>>33008966
This is a feature

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>>33008966

>Be jealous of SCAR
>Bet life savings no one on /k/ owns one
>Admit you only have $200 in life savings

Such is /k/.

>>33009035
it's a great feature. It allows you to lube your rifle with the salty tears of poorfags.

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I love mine, sub moa with steel.

>>33009283

what grain are you using?

I heard 168s were the sweet spot, but I have a lot of cheap 145-7s around.

>>33009539
1-12" will do 175s, not as well as 1-10
168s are pretty ideal, 147ish are good too

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>>33008966

I bet there are alot more people here that own them then you think.

/k/ is pretty divided between NEETs and grown ups that have decent paying jobs that let them afford high end guns.

>>33009848
No. Given the quality of posts here, and assuming all posters post roughly the same amount, most k/unts are morons that can't even throw around a few grand for a gun.

>>33009848
One posts because they have nothing but questions. The other is too busy shooting and working

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I love mine. I got a bunch of 168gr PPU match and federal gold match that it likes. Have yet to find what cheap stuff it likes though. ZQI is pretty shit.

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>>33010031
Need to get a SAW grip for that thing.

There's nothing wrong with it. Faggots on /k/ hate on it because they're poor and can't afford it. You see, the average /k/ommando can only scrounge up about $1000 for any gun from their NEETbux and allowance. Anything more than that price is considered "overpriced memegun" to them

>>33010109
If it's not PSA it's over priced?

>>33010169
Have you seen the demographics here?

>>33007852
Google is wrong I think. In my experience AR-10s average around 8-8.5 lbs. Unless you wanna spend the cash to get them gucci with carbon fiber shit... Then you're looking at 4k+.

>>33010241
19 year old airsofters?

>>33008358
That is literally the exact opposite of my experience. Weird.

However I will say I HAVE handled Ars with better registered for less money (aside from the stock, I've always loved the SCAR stock).

>>33007852
>AR10 is 7.25 lbs
With less features. With same rail space and rising cheek it would be heavier.

>>33010298
The boot is best

>>33010332
Most are a pound heavier.

>>33008004
Why is it cost so much. SCAR seems much more simpler in production than AR-10/15.
>extruded upper
>plastic lower
It is like production engineer dream.

>>33010332
Man, could you imagine if the scar went mlok or keymod? So much weight would be lost. I'm sure I could find some other places to shed a little weight here and there.

I don't even own a scar, and there are other guns I like better, but mechanically speaking, a scar is better than an AR. Not enough better (for me) to pay the price for it while there are other guns I want, but if I didn't have any other guns I was actively going after, then it would be my next gun.

>>33010253
No, late teen early 20s poorfags with minimum wage tier jobs, older poorly educated trash with very little disposable income, and then shittalking 6 fig niggas like me (not nearly as many)

>>33010457
Very little weight would be lost. SCAR side rails are polymer, and the top rail is short. Bot rail is even shorter.

>>33003946
Wew lad, 1.3MOA? How are you gonna hit anything with that?

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>>33004063
>5 shot groups

>>33010422

why not charge that much, if dumb people are willing to pay for it

>>33010546
If these people have enough disposable income, they're probably a lot smarter than you.

>>33010534
Not as good as 10, but nowhere near as bullshit as 3.

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>>33010596

here we go again. some people are so emotionally invested in a mass production rifle they cannot tolerate mockery of said rifle's market price-point, and therefore assume anyone who makes fun of that price-point must be poor. sad.

i own individual handguns that cost more than SCAR-17 rifles. pic related.

>>33003531

Why don't they establish a second factory stateside for civilian arms?

>>33010670
So you are LITERALLY retarded. Cool.

>>33010752
>when other people disagree with the market pricing of my purchases, they are poor
>when other people buy even more expensive things, they are just retarded

topkek

>>33010803
I'm doing exactly what you're doing. You think people who buy scars are dumb, I think people who buy nighthawks are retards. We both disparage others intelligence based purchase choices, except you're too dumb to see the irony.

And if you think I don't have a few 7k pieces sitting in my safe, you would be wrong. Korth is nice, but nighthawk is nothing special. Try an Sav infinity, you poor fuck.

I bet you own a Rolex too.

>>33010883

Au contraire, you are the only one to link intelligence with having disposable income. I made no such claim.

>if you think I don't have a few 7k pieces sitting in my safe
>dat strawman
>dat defensiveness

Delicious.

>>33010752
i literally thought the same thing. mark 23 is the only acceptable 45, maybe usp.

>>33010965
To me, agreeing with market pricing and purchasing at market price are 1 and the same. And there is a positive correlation between income and intelligence.

But you missed the original point, so clearly you're too dumb to hold a conversation. Ciao, retard.

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>>33011011

will you accept me now desu senpai...

>positive correlation between income and intelligence
>dat damage control

>But you missed the original point

Which point was that? That I must be dumb because you presumed I had no disposable income? Must have missed it because your point got BTFO.

>>33011063
Learn2read, then learn2kys. Dumb shit.

>>33011083
>Learn2read
>If these people have enough disposable income, they're probably a lot smarter than you.

Seems pretty clear cut.

Stay mad.

>>33011063
how's that expert? I'm about to buy one to go with my elite

>>33011107

It is really great. Go for it.

>>33011102
Confirmed for retardation.

So here's the kicker, I dont own a scar17.

>>33011137
>butthurt because your own hasty presumption got used against you

nom nom nom give me your tears

>>33010883
Post pics negroid

>>33003531
This is my first time hearing about this. Why would FN produce the civilian variant domestically? Would the tooling really be so different as to make it unprofitable for FN just to use it US factories? I assume producing in the US when your biggest civilian market is there would be much cheaper than putting up with the costs of producing them in Belgium and shipping them overseas.

>>33011160
Wanna be bffs so I can shoot that korth? Just don't bring the nighthawk. It's gay, like every high dollar 1911, including my DW and my infinity.

True story, i once took delivery of an STI DVC Open and sold it on the spot to another customer at the shop.

>>33009539
Hornady Steel Match is amazing

>>33011202

I drank my fill of your salty tears, you can stop now.

>>33011248
You need more sodium, bae.

>>33010723
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I am too poor for a rifle this expensive.
3-4 grand? Fuck me Freddy. Way out of my cheap jew price range.

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>>33010491

This

>>33004063
You could shoot a sub-MOA group with a pitted Taurus barrel, if you got lucky. Just saying it's possible doesn't mean it's consistent. Take an average of 50 5 shot groups and that will be more indicative of it's actual accuracy.

>>33003259
reciprocating charging handle plus its price are what makes SCAR so sucks

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I´d like one, but they´re even more expensive in eurostan. 5k iirc, On top of that, FN didn´t have the gun evaluated by the BKA, so I couldn´t even own the gun if I had the money to import one.

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>>33011011
>12 round magazines
>Acceptable

>>33011195
Contractual obligations. The US factory has its output to military customers only.

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>>33010491
>It's sub-MOA!
>No it's not.
>What do you even need MOA for?

>>33008822
>southern carolina
>them digits tho

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>>33013238
Just go half moa

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>>33003333
Nice numerals. Guess I will buy something else instead.

>>33013238

"The accuracy of the SCAR was noted during testing of newly modifed guns in late 2008. It was then pondered if it could be built to a precision rifle standard of accuracy. In early 2009, the organization sponsoring the development of the system held a two week test of the Mk16 and Mk17 versus the Mk12 and Mk11 respectively. During this testing, both service grade, off the rack SCAR's roundly trounced the existing precision rifles they were competing against. I witnessed a 9.275" group fired from one thousand yards out of a Mk17, stock, no upgraded triggers, or anything else. Gun came out of the box, scope was mounted and off it went to the range."

- Sean M.

>>33011760
All right, go do it, then. I don't have a 17S to test.

>>33013611
Need a few dozen 17s to begin to get an objective test.

>>33013934
Well, when you get that let me know. Until then I'll take what people have shown.

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>>33005383
do it dude... ive never for even a second regretted getting my 16s. most favorite rifle ive ever owned probably

>>33003259
Lewd autists can't keep their hands to themselves and get slapped by SCAR's reciprocating handle.

Worthless People complain about price, but what value do you place on your weapon being in working order when you NEED it. To me it's priceless.

If you're going solely for semi-auto precision shooting rifle, There are better guns.
If you're going for a Lightweight Battle rifle, there are lighter rifles.
But the SCAR does a damn good job at both.

>>33013978
I wish they'd bring out the SSR style upper for the 16S.

>>33014003
There isn't a mk20 for .308 yet even!

>>33014003
>>33014033
when that mk20 comes out im getting it. next step though for my SCAR i think is to do a form1. not sure how to begin with that though i guess just order it from FN

>>33014057
For a barrel?
Find a retailer.

Mk20?
Retailer

>>33014033
Huh?

>>33014097
The SSR type upper isn't on the market in any configuration yet, let alone for .223

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>>33013978
That 16 is butt ugly. Here, have the classic.

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>>33008929
wtf, seriously??

btw, anyone knows what weapon does bope/pmerj uses?

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>>33014226
Who?

>>33014169
i like the classic look a lot. i like mine because ive shot the shit out of it and this is what ive come to prefer. i have the KDG MREX in black but have yet to put it on. almost would rather return to original form, ugg boot and all than put it on at this point. i still have all of my original stuff for it

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>>33014301

After years of experimenting with practically every aftermarket accessory specific to the SCAR I've finally returned mine to true form. While the original configuration best fits my preferences your situation may differ. However, there's no denying classic SCAR a best for maximum aesthetic.

>>33006888
Dueling Witnesses

>>33014138
...That was my point.

>>33014226
Bope use IMBEL FALs and carry-handled AR SBRs (such as M733). If you're talking about that chick, shes got a DIC SC2010, which is a furniture swap for an FAL.

>>33008929
>>33014226
I'm not sure why you are surprised that precision barrels aren't that durable.

>>33014628
The ARs are mostly 727s with 11.5" barrels. That is not an FAL, that's an AR-10 of some sort.

>>33014441
My arms are too long.
Mrex is the pinnacle

The only objective issue is the cost. For $2500 - $3000, one could build an AR that's just as good, if not better.

>>33003274
Wait, this was supposed to be cheaper?

>>33014798
They touted that it was cheaper than the M4 for the military to procure. I know that we can't get it that cheap because we aren't buying that many, but still. No reason a 16s should be 2500 bucks.

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>>33014748

MREX doesn't fit a 10" CQC barrel, so obviously you're doing it wrong.

>>33003386
>i dont like the way one part looks so the entire thing is bad even though i dont have one and havent held or shot one

>>33014784
Cost is subjective though

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>>33014941
I can't argue with that logic
>Point, cephalopod

>>33014826
They sell 16s for under $1000 to Leo departments.

>>33015258
I know, but the military gets them for 6-700. I think 1500 on the civilian market would still be reasonable to compete with high end ARs and actually keep some in stock.

>>33015272
Supply issues already with 16s going for $2500.

>>33003946
>Navy SEALs tests pegged it at 1.3 MOA.
Yeah... Im going to need a source on that.

>>33009922
Dubs ^4

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>>33015393
Surely they publish their data!

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>>33015336
(((Supply Issues)))

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>>33015547
The other side of demand, yes.

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>>33009283
that blue is really good

>>33015336
I highly doubt that. They have large manufacturing capability, not that many militaries are buying SCARs, and the SCAR is an easy to produce weapon.

>>33015671
Your feels have little meaning though.

>>33015760
Uh, that's more speculation than feelings.

>>33015581
As an economist, I will tell you this is true, but not to tell anyone. I need to get paid, nigga

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>>33015817
Sure you are honey

>>33011107

>>33011120 This. I love mine, it's a beaut to shoot

>>33013218
if it's not the based 23 or the USP then it's the fnx w/15 rounds. I love and carry 9mm too but 45 is still my fave

>>33016851
I want to love the mk23. Everytime I hold one at a gunstore with a couple grand in my pocket I always wince at the 12 round magazines. That and needing adapters for modern lights.

Picked up a FNX 45 years ago because of it.

>>33016897
eh I don't blame you. I love my fnx as well, but the 23 has always been my all time favorite pistol, think it's something to do with the look of it and a generational thing, that and the USP.

anyways, if you ever get the chance go and shoot one. either way if you buy one, you'll love shooting it, or, if you don't like it you can almost certainly get your money back selling to someone else.

>>33016923
I have shot them. They are great.
I like everything about them, except the mag capacity and the light adapters.

When ive got the money to burn and pass on it, multiple times, its a deal breaker. I cant bring myself to want one enough. Maybe if I found a used one mk23

>>33015220
>Cost is subjective though
No, its literally one of the only things about comparing firearms that is totally objective. You can objectively build a better rifle for less money. The value you place in having a moderately special snowflake is subjective.

>>33017037
The cost is completely subjective. If $3k is what you make in month its going to be harder to balance out the cost of a $3k rifle than if you make that a paycheck, or a week.

Even then, individuals may be concerned with every dollar coming in and out, others not as much.

Cost is one of the least objective considerations when buying a rifle. Not that it doesnt have merit.

>>33003285
amazing. virtually no recoil in my opinion when compared to an AR, but god dam they are expensive

>>33017186
The word youre thinking of is value, not cost.

>>33017473
yes, the value of a dollar is subjective.
Ergo, the cost is subjective.

I'm going to a gun show this weekend and buying s Scar if I can talk the seller down below $3,000. Assuming there is one in the buliding.

>>33017749
>gunshow
Why, do you need jerky that badly?

>>33017991
My LGS's don't have much to write home about and I'm going to be in the area on Saturday. Not expecting to walk out with anything but why miss an opportunity to hang out with weirdos.

>>33018670
Cool.
The shops locally have shit too.

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>>33017991
I walk right past those guys, and head right for the Dremel bits, cheap Pakistani scissors, and misc imported stuff.

It's like Harbor Freight, but with a $10 cover charge!

I have three SCAR rifles, if you have any questions feel free to ask.

>>33018780
Are your bolts missing any lugs from the factory?

>>33018787
...What? No. Why would they be missing lugs?

>>33018793
Early 17s came a lug short

>>33003333
>SCAR
>Accuracy issues
Anyone that told you this was a fucking retard, and you should tell them that they're a fucking retard.

>>33018798
Oh, no mine aren't missing any lugs. That's one hell of a thing for QC to overlook, though.

>>33018820
Barrel extensions all have seven lug pathways.
Early bolts came with six lugs. Not a QC issue. Just how early ones came.

>>33018847
Less lugs, less pleasure. I'd be offended.

>>33018780
How much do moving parts (bolt, BCG) weight?

>>33018869
What models and optic choices did you go with?

>>33015433
What, THE FUCK, is THAT?

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>>33018913
who cares what that is, what is this?

>>33018881
I purchased the 16S a few years ago on a whim. It was used but the guy who sold it to me was absolutely furious about the reciprocating charging handle. It's a nice rifle, I wouldn't pay full price for one, though. I have a T1 on the 16S with an MREX extender. I couldn't see myself paying that much for a new .223 rifle.

I bought the 17S sometime in 2015, great rifle easily my favorite .308. It'll eat anything and ask for more. I went through a LOT of optics on this one before finding a NXS 2.5-10x that I was able to get for a good price. The third one is sitting in a box downstairs, I bought it late in the summer. I would ABSOLUTELY recommend this to anyone who wants a .308 rifle and doesn't have any attachment to another platform.

>>33018986
Went with the NF myself. Solid choice.
Why the third one still in the badass cardboard box. I love that box

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>>33018924
KILL IT WITH FIRE

>>33019002
That's where it has lived since it arrived, really didn't have much time to use it this fall and it's too cold to go out and shoot now.

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>>33003259
I've shot one and i really liked it, wouldn't mind owning one myself and thinking about buying one in the future.
Unfortunately i have a lot of bills coming up with the incoming baby, mortgage, pets, my other hobbies, etc. I'm do have some discretionary income lying around, but im one of those people who are iffy about dropping 3k on one rifle (possibly even more since an elcan 4x really makes the rifle much better)
/blog etc etc, that being said its mainly from people bitching about the price and being salty over the fact that their tendy stenched fingers will never touch one.

>>33019039
>Kid on the way
Goodbye money

That or sock away a few bucks and wait

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>>33018780
>I have three SCAR rifles
>if you have any questions feel free to ask.

I'd ask you to stop pretending to be me.

>>33020690
>Six lug mofo
FN forgot to finish your bolt?

You got the pics someplace of dr8co shooting your shit?

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>>33020690

i lilke ur style friendo

>>33003259
It's the perfect rifle that nobody will ever have the money to buy. Therefore, it's destined for failure in the end.AKs and ARs are so popular largely because they're affordable.

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>>33020823
>It's the perfect rifle

Agreed

>that nobody will ever have money to buy.

Aww, fella. You're not nobody! You matter.

>Therefore, it's destined for failure in the end.

This must be why so many major countries are copying the design.

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>>33020807
>Urge for a 16s with trijicon 1-8 rises

>>33020878

I had a micro on it for a long while and loved it, but wanted to try the adjustable magnification thing. I'm liking it so far, just wish I had something nicer than this Vortex to put on it.

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>>33020912
I had that same optic on my 17s. Replaced it for that same reason.

>>33020939

Oh I didn't even think the Viper was an option on the 17S. What's your round-count with it on there?

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>>33020770

Someplace. The fat mexican can go fuck himself though.

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>>33020939
Put an aimpoint on it for awhile

>>33021012
I put maybe 500 before I got tired of it. I've seen the 17s break vortex optics in less, but I work three miles from their HQ

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>>33021028
Got a nightforce on it now. Love it

>>33021021
Danke de gesu
Your fnx still rolling an x300v?

>>33007718
Ar180 anon the rifle you are looking for is called the AR-180. I just wish the trigger was a little better. You can trim pmags to run just fine through them.

>>33009922
Those would be the NEETs he mentioned.

There are guys here with GEAR that cost more many /k/ommandos arsenals.

>>33021028

Good choice with the comp M4. I just got an M4S from peavler and I realize only afterward I should just gone with the M4 so I could reverse the mount. Had to order an AD one.

>>33021061

>ASR brakes

How are those treating you? Mine were absolute shit and I switched to Dead Air.

>>33015671
>not that many militaries are buying SCARs, and the SCAR is an easy to produce weapon

Then the problem is likely that they're not making very many of them because people aren't buying them. They're not exactly flying off the shelves, and FN makes tons of other guns that are making them way more money, so they don't really any motive to make more of them.

If they were getting thousands of orders in for the SCAR I guarantee that they would ramp up production and then be able to justify lowering the price, but I don't see that happening anytime soon, or ever really.

The SCAR was a nice littler experiment but it's been an expensive answer to a nonexistent problem. There's nothing wrong with the AR and therefore no reason for the SCAR other than the novelty factor.

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>>33021061

Haven't found a need to change it. Then again, I'm out of the NVG game for the time being. Someday I'll have binos, maybe.

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>>33021091
I was looking at dead air long and hard, but the hybrid seemed like an ideal way to dip my toe into cans.

If I dig on them, I'll get some better cans, but for now, the can is still in jail.

>>33003259
Too expensive.

It's not even a case of sour grapes and foxes, it's cost of materials and manufacturing dose not cost that much, the most expensive thing being the upper.

It's comparable to paying 1,500 USD for a standard stock glock 17.

And this high proce point per unit has in fact prevented it being widely adopted as a military rifle outside Special Forces units and SWAT teams.


FN needs to do a blue/green label program or just give four crates to each Nato country for free.

>>33015433
>>33015393
>>33003946
if they don't publish their data, you can't cite them and make a claim

>>33021124
>Dead Air

I just meant the mounting method. Mine were on an Omega, actually these are the same rifles >>33014271
I've just ripped a lot of shit off of them recently.

If your ASR stuff ever fails you, Dead Air makes a "kymo" mount for it that's pretty slick. It was an expensive switch, but I can use the Omega now. It was always either getting stuck or coming loose for me. Seems to work fine for other folks, just my luck I guess.

>>33021110
Been thinking of dropping some coin on a white phosphor 14, of course proper lighting is the very related next step.

>>33021086
>6.7 pounds unloaded
>It's fully steel except for furniture
How in the fuck did they manage that, seriously. I am impressed, and interested in a polymer clone that doesn't fuck the weight up like a G36 or Scar does.

>>33003424
Polymer lower dude...you pay that much for plastic...whole point of polymer frame pistols is to be cheaper and pass the savings to the consumer...unless you are H&K.

>>33021170
I saw the key mo came out like weeks after I put the ASR brakes on. Cutting off the current brakes will be a thing for a day when it's needed. PMM or Marvin Pitts may get some coin from me.

>>33020855
>This must be why so many major countries are copying the design.

In that case, sucks to be FN. They deserve it though, because if they can't get that price down the AR will continue to be king and the SCAR will fade into obscurity. Silver lining is in 100 years we'll get to see it on forgotten weapons.

>>33021145
Departments can get 16's for under $1000.
They are popular with motorcycle units.

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>>33009149
Got mine for 2400 new in the box from the Ammo Can up in Anchorage.

>>33021205

That 16S just came back from PMM today, took about 6 weeks total I think, but he was replacing the pin/weld with another pin/weld. He does good work, just overloaded atm I guess. Not a fan of being called on the phone I think.

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>>33021249
If I do make the switch, it'll be after I get 6.5 creedmoor barrels for both.

>>33021233

And this is the best photo you could manage to take. baka

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>>33021171

If you're hoarding shekels for white privilege 14's I'd simply forego the luxury and pick up a second tube instead. Give yourself the option of running bridged or force multiplying with a battle buddy. You do have actual friends, right?

>>33021294
It's like $800 for white privilege tubes above the cost of green lives matter tube.

>>33003274

This

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>>33021249
>Look up how to remove rocksetted brakes
>Boiling water easy
Whelp, going dead air brakes!

>>33014826

Why would it be cheaper?

My only guess would be if it had a stamped receiver but I'm like 99% sure it's milled

>>33021416
It's extruded

>>33021410

Unless you really globbed that shit on there you can probably just torque it off. It only holds as well as blue loctite, mine turned off pretty easily.

Breach Brothers has the kymo mount and the FH/brakes for way below MAP also

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>>33021331

Which is almost half the cost of a second set of 14's. Totally your call. Just know that truly enlightened social justice operators use AI's color night vision filters for maximum aesthetic acuity.

>>33021430
>Breach Brothers has the kymo mount and the FH/brakes for way below MAP also

gay nvm they're OOS, sorry

>>33021430
>Out of stock
Fug

Well the can is still in jail.

Wonder how well the SiCo brakes sell for?

>>33021482
>Why would it be cheaper?

Not sure, I honestly thought about just giving mine away on the skypebook group - at least the one that was just removed from the 16S since it has a hole in it

>>33003259

It's fucking enormous

>inb4 manlet

Id prefer an AR-10 over a scar

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>>33021529

>SCAR
>big

what grade r u in

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>>33021529
Wat

>>33021496
I'll toss them up on a few boards, see what I can get for them.

>>33021287
It was all I had on my phone that didn't show the serial. The old warhorse is probably the part of my EDC most in need of an upgrade. I'll take a pick with my new tablet and post it.

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>>33021287
Here

>>33003259

The scar in 5.56 is retarded. Why would you drop 1.5-2k on a 5.56 rifle when 800 dollar ARs exist?

Same goes with the 7.62 rifles when ar10s are a thing

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>>33022271

Because you're employed, you want a quality rifle, and this is America. There's three of the big dogs right there.

You poorfaggots all have the same mating call. If it were up to half of you fry-cooks on this board, /k/ would be nothing but Palmetto build discussions and extreme couponing.

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>>33021529
>It's fucking practically the same size and weight as an M4A1

>>33022418

I think the point is why drop 2k on a combat rifle when a 1k rifle will do the same job just as well?

I mean, I get wanting a SCAR because you want a SCAR, but don't try to pretend it would provide some sort of tactical edge in combat over a nice AR15.

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>>33022550

>j-just as good!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PApRcRE-ft8

>>33022550
>>33022633

(your terrible arguments gets raped in the street at 8:29)

>>33021416
The upper receiver is just an extrusion, the bolt carrier may be too. The lower is plastic as well as the stock.

>>33024742
The stock isn't all plastic

>>33022633
This video is interesting and all, but it's pretty much just one big anecdote. There's really very little detail in it, so conclusions can't be made about the causes of the failures. Replacing the extractor spring on an MP5, even a clone, every 2 days seems abnormal.

>>33024791
What major part of the stock isn't plastic?

>>33024832
The rod the stock indexes on.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/f00tography/4220083677/in/album-72157623063453222

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>>33024832

The internal structure is a shank of solid aluminum. People that shit on the stock's design or reliability are ignorant of reality.

>>33024875
Too poor to pay attention

>>33024866
>>33024875
Interesting, I did not know that. It's not a big deal from the manufacturing perspective, though.

>>33014441
Nah, That Stock's ugly af

>>33025010
It's the best, most comfortable stock available for any rifle today that's meant to be used for non static shooting

>>33022550
I own a scar16 and multiple 4 digit ARs that don't start their MSRP with a 1. I like the scar better than almost every one of them.

>>33025010
U used one before bro? Because I took the kdg off and put the UGG back on.

>>33011195

But anon, don't you know that would mean less high paying jobs for waffles and taxes for the eu?

Now I hope you see why trump woj the election, it wasn't to hurt people's feefees, it's because other nations have been trade raping us. A us company making a similar gun should be able to put it out for sub 2000, with all the salaries going to burgers. That could happen soon, hopefully followed by sbr and suppressor legality.

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>>33025239
You have zero understanding of how economics works at all.

>>33025239
Oh wow, I just love protectionism.

>>33024875
>solid aluminum
that's even worse than thermoformed ABS, because at least that has give to it

>>33025776
>I know more than the FN engineers who spent 19 million dollars and expended over two million rounds to R&D the rifle

taylorswift.jpg

>>33025867
>throwing money at it will somehow improve aluminum's malleability and durability
the only reason to use aluminum is how hilariously cheap it is to buy and machine.

>>33025891

You're the one sperging out because a gun uses aluminum in the construction of it stock. The same material found in literally every AR-15 receiver extension and yet somehow that's indicative of design error in your irrelevant and illformed opinion.

I'm simply pointing out the obvious fact that the people getting paid to develop and test the rifle in question certainly know more about its construction and design implementation than you.

But don't let me or those facts get in the way of your autistic screetching.

>>33014441
fuck off squid

>>33025370

Such arguments, many wow, I'll show myself out now that you have proven me wrong.

>>33025488

So do hk, fn, walther, sig..... maybe they make a few things here but even then, we ought to just make our own shit. A tariff barrier the only common sense thing you can do to jump start home industry that's not just tax us > throw money at political friends > watch them blow it.

>>33025039
>>33025121
nah mates, my opinion on the gun is uttery worthless as not only I might never wield this weapon, I live in a no fun country. I was just saying I found the stock ugly, which doesn't matter at all if it's functional. Maybe I shoudn't use the term "AF".

>>33026570
Why don't you move to NK? No dirty foreign stuff there!

>>33026570
FN has a giant plant in the US, the Did won't let FN sell the US made SCARs to the open market. Go bitch at your husbando trump about that if you want.

>>33026967
^The DoD wont let

>>33005047
It really should be though. Fewer machined parts, CHF barrels are cheaper to produce than button-rifled barrels, the upper is an extrusion (not even billet) so you're left with a single forging that's smaller and less complicated than an AR lower.

It's expensive because FN makes it expensive, not because the design costs a lot to produce in materials or machine time.

>>33003259
>what's wrong with it?
The stock breaks pretty easily and is ugly.

The factory trigger sucks far more than a $3k gun's trigger should.

Now as far as personal preference or ease of use complaints you have the A2 grip it ships with and the reciprocating charging handle that eats (stupid peoples') knuckles and the weird recoil impulse that eats poorfag optics.

>>33027017
How to spot the noguns

>>33018924
kos... or some say kosm

>>33027017
>The stock breaks pretty easily
"Pretty easily" is subjective

>and is ugly
again, subjective

>trigger babying
It's a military rifle with a military trigger...it comes with exactly the trigger it should. At least there are several options to replace it.

>A2 grip, muh charging handle, muh optics
kys

>>33027076
>"pretty easily" is subjective
3 foot drop onto concrete=100% breakage chance. That's "pretty easily" in anyone's book.

Yes, ugly is subjective. Good thing pretty much the whole world agrees on this judging by the sheer volume of ugg boot memes about it.

>hurr this civilian non-select-fire rifle sold on the civilian market to civilians is a militurry rifle and as such that totally excuses its total shit trigger!
No, go fuck yourself. A $3000 rifle should not ship with a trigger literally worse than a $500 rifle of a similar design, lineage, and intended use.

>>33027088
Got a citation on that?

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>>33027088
>3 foot drop onto concrete=100% breakage chance

Looks like 12 feet, pauper. And the LMT and LWRC didn't even make it that far.

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Felcomercio.pe%2Fpolitica%2Fgobierno%2Fdefensa-reactivara-compra-fusiles-us31-millones-que-se-frustro-tres-veces-noticia-1627509

>pretty much the whole world agrees on this
Mr. President?

>sheer volume of ugg boot memes about it
That's some hard data, you must be right.

>more trigger babying
Pic related, it's you. If you're too poor to upgrade the trigger, maybe drive an Uber for a few weeks or rent out your girlfriend for a few months to cover the $275.

>>33027017
Am I the only one here who doesn't mind a reciprocating charging handle? It removes the need for a forward bolt assist which is always nice.

>>33027251
It's supposed to be that way. You have to go out of your way to get hit by it. It's like saying ceiling fans are detrimental because you stood on a chair and stuck your head in the blades.

>>33027251
People who haven't shot one have a problem with it. Or fags who don't like anything different.

>>33027088
all collapsible stocks are ugly. It's epidemic.

>>33027578
>epidemic
sorry, *endemic is what I meant.

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>>33027592
Say that to my face

>>33003274
>tfw fpbp is actually bp and not dankmemery

>>33014704
This is a terrible meme.
.308 barrels with super hot rounds can endure 4k rounds.

>>33008822
mmmm extruded aluminum

>>33027735
What's a terrible meme?

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It's main issue is that this does it's job better.

>>33027855
The job of rifles isn't to malfunction.

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>>33027855
>Breaks internally

Anyone use the shooting site trigger?

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>>33020680
>all of that baby shit brown

>>33021178
The AR-180B that Armalite put out a few years back takes stanag magazines and has a polymer lower. Some other minor variations in the parts but a solid little rifle for the money. Never took off. Also, Stanag magazines can be modified to run in AR-18 rifles, they just need to have a small window cut into the side for the bolt hold open to function properly.

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Come on!

Fuck this seller in the goddamn ear.

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>>33028654
Fifty shades of brown baby

ugg boot

>>33028701
Eww

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>>33028704
>that light olive SCAR

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>>33029711
>Caring about the precise shade

>>33025776
are you fucking retarded?

>>33026992
>CHF barrels are cheaper to produce than button-rifled barrels
what is capital cost amortization?

>>33027017
>The stock breaks pretty easily
you're full of fucking shit.

>>33030326
Clearly shitposting

>>33003259
CZ805 BREN is better in every way

>>33021061
im confused by your lack of a rear sight on your ar while you have a front sight

>>33005383
>ACR stock on a SCAR

what black magic is this

>>33030852
It came with a fixed front, and a fixed rear.
I took the rear off, left the front on. Ill put a rear on it later when I decide what scope im going to put on it, might want offset irons.

>>33030874
https://kineticdg.com/product/scarsasstockblack/

>>33030684
the 805 is already the old model.

>>33030883
but why not take the front off then too? Thats what confuses me

>>33030901
>the 805 is already the old model.
I know

>>33030937
Doesn't get in the way, triggers the hell out of people.

>>33031102
ah, groovy

>>33030346
Something they've long completed.

>>33030684
the only way it's better is being cheaper, so poorfags can tell themselves that their BREN is better than the SCAR as they cry themselves to sleep.

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>>33003372
>hard to get
literally dozens for sale on gunbroker right now.

>side charging
>piston driven
>folding stock

now it needs 6.5 Creedmoor chamberings

>>33031539
Deadshot barrels can get you it

>>33031422
Yea, used guns on GunBroker. Not new guns from dealers.

>>33031869
they're NIB