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Why is Russia still trying to compete with the US on a like-by-like

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Why is Russia still trying to compete with the US on a like-by-like technological basis? Didn't they learn anything from the Cold War?
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>>33000440
This is just business now, they need to sell weapons for cash.
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>>33000440
the only way for russia to win is to make the f-14 clone which turns into a gundam.

Gundam>robotech.
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>>33000525
Take PAK-Fa for example, even poos could back out because it's not going as well as expected. Alternatives are F-35 or for countries with not so good US relations, whatever China is going to sell. So PAK-FA is just a shitty middle ground. In fact it'll probably end up costing more per aircraft than the F-35, if they can ever develop proper engines for it.
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>>33000440
>Why is Russia still trying to compete with the US on a like-by-like technological basis?

What gave you that idea?
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>>33000589
>poos could back out
One would think you've never heard of Indian defence contracts. They refused and returned again, and that shit can lasts for decades.
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>>33000440
If there was anything to learn from the Cold War, it was that while burgers lie about their plans on futuristic weapons, Russia actually builds said weapons. Extrapolating this analogy to fighters would only mean that American "5th gen" fighters are papier-mâché mock-up hangar dominati=ors, while Russia actually builds a proper next gen aircraft.
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>>33000440
>XM1111 Mid-Range Munition
>Why is the US still trying to compete with Russia on a like-by-like technological basis? Didn't they learn anything from the Cold War?
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>>33001014
>Russia actually builds said weapons.
>Russia actually builds a proper next gen aircraft.

Yeah Russia totaly doesn't scrap ''next gen aircraft''
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>>33000440
The cold war was beneficial for technoglogical progress of both countries.
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>>33000440
>like-by-like

What does this mean? Nothing is turning up on Urban Dictionary or Knowyourmeme.
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>>33001551
What he meant is Lockheed Martin must have monopoly on all new aircraft designs and no one but the US has the right to produce new military hardware.
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>>33000512

1/3rd the navy of the US.
1/4th the air-force of the US.
No ABM Capability.

(You)
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>>33001751
>No ABM Capability
Fatniks, fatniks never change.
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>>33001782
>4 ABM sites built 20 years ago
>Never updated
>Casual google search shows decrepit state of search radar complex and missile silos.

Really makes you think.
(You)
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>>33000440
>Why is Russia still trying to compete with the US on a like-by-like technological basis?

But your image shows that they most definitely are not trying to make a 5th gen airframe.
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>>33001805
>No ABM Capability
Why are all fatniks so retarded?
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>>33000440
That pic looks fake as hell
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>>33001811
>>33001782
>fatniks
Do you want me to twll you how I know you are a newfag from the uncivilized wastelands?

By the way, the A-125 is a joke and completly unable to perform the task it was built for. Even you russians know it which is why you work so hard to replace it with a system you can't even begin to afford, drunken poorfags of a nation.
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>>33001935
>No ABM Capability
Why, fatnik? Why are you such a retard?
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>>33001836
you seriously don't know what a PAK-FA // T-50 is?
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>>33001944
>Why
Because ABM capability usually entails having a working ABM system not crewed by hairless howler monkeys?
Russia fails on both accounts so no ABM for russia.
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>>33001996
>No ABM Capability
Were you born retarded, fatnik? Or is your retardation a result of excessive brainwashing?
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>>33001533
>this time
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>>33002009
Again, russian lacks an capable ABM system system in addition to being nude howler monkeys, thus incapable of operating a functioning ABM if they had one.
Russia=not ABM capable.
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>>33002026
>No ABM Capability
Again, what is the cause and reason of your retardation, fatnik?
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>>33002039
Because russia lacks sophistication and brainpower to develop such a system and the previous systems claiming to be ABM capable where scams to lull the savage and stupid population to a false sense of security.
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>>33002071
>No ABM Capability
But then again, a fatnik is not subjected to any cause or reason, a fatnik is a mere blind and retarded shitposting machine.
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>>33002101
It's fun to see you flail around throwing around shillbot insults and impotent rage, completly unable to do anything about the truth about russias lack of ABM capability.
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>>33002179
>No ABM Capability
A braindead fatnik drone, stuck in an endless circle of half-digested propaganda, such a pity sight.
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>>33002289
This is /k/, you vatniks need to learn that unlike in russia you need to present some argument if you want to get anywhere.
Doing your shillbot routine, repeating lies, using scripted insults and squealing like a pig in impotent rage might earn you a potato in the troll factories but no one will believe you.
As it stands russia lacks any credible ABM capability, you pushing lies from kreml won't fool anyone.
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>>33002336
>This is /k/
yes /k/ an international board
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T-50 is going to blow the F-35 away. The T-50 has more range, more speed and more weapons. It's got the latest Russian radar and IR cameras, which can detect and pin-point the F-35 from 90km away.
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>>33002393
>international board
Which is why vatniks ought to know that internal russian propaganda will not go unopposed here.
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>>33001014
>Russia actually builds said weapons.

What a great example in your picture.

They build said weapons, and they turn out to be massive failures.
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>>33002421
Why do you think it's some government operative and not just a random guy who thinks he knows the truth?
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>>33002439
because Russia has a well-documented army of shills?
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>>33002439

Government operative is such a strong word to describe him. Government worker is better.

Russia (and china) have very well known shill bots.
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>>33002445
>>33002450
Come on, this is bullshit and you know it.
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>>33002403
>T-50
Has the RCS OF a super bug, will get nailed by a Meteor 120+ km out.
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>>33002336
>No ABM Capability
And all the more pity it is because one can't be sure if this fatnik amoeba is self-aware or not.
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>>33002467
It has RCS of F-22.
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>>33002439
He might not even be a shillbot and does it as they say, "for free™".
Still, pushing kreml propaganda and then using known shillbot terminology and insults kind of tells us what kind of vatnik we're dealing with.
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>>33002503
>two piece canopy
>no S-duct
>round metallic engine nacelle
>rectangular weapon bay door
>gap in wheel bay and weapon bay doors wide enough to fit a quarter

Good joke vatnigger :^)
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>>33002497
Again, russia lacks both ABM capability and brainpower to operate one, the latter abundantly clear in you.
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>>33002551
>Fantik denial
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>>33002503
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>>33002569
>No ABM Capability
I mean look at this particular specimen of a mentally challenged fantik drone. Imagine the hell unfolding in his crippled scraps of mind.
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>>33000440
T-50 is nothing like current US 5th gen planes. F-22 is designated T-10 killer with everything sacrificed for smallest RCS. T-50 is heavy multi-role acceptable plane for acceptable price with acceptable performance. That is come from Russian knowledge, that F-22 will never face T-50 in battle. because F-22 is not for sale and US-Russian conflict is about ICBMs and hypersonic weapon, not 5th gen planes.
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>>33002580
>posts US concept demonstraor aircraft
>still better stealth features than the best russia could offer

Vatiks owning himself, business as usual.
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>>33002592
Still squealing in impotent vatnik rage, crying bitch tears over russias growing impotence and obsolence :^)
Still lacking any credible ABM capability too.
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>>33002650
Why so deep in denial, fatnik?
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>>33002667
>No ABM Capability
However fatnik's self-awareness if of course but a pure theory. Maybe as years pass science will find a way to trace the shatters of a broken fatnik mind in his rotting brain mass.
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>>33002680
>x-35
Still better than the PAK-FAilure in pretty much every regard.
The F-35 will eat them for breakfast in a 1-4 ratio, which means two or three F-35s could rape the best RuAF could offer.
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>>33002700
>angry vatnik squealing
Vatniks are a type of slime mould, only reacts to external stimuli.
When presented with the truth about russias lack of credible ABM capability, they squeal and cry bitch tears.
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>>33001014
Vatniks actually believe this
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>>33002802
Poor fatnik, always in denial.
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>>33002821
>No ABM Capability
But just a sheer thought that such a mindless braindead drone could have self-awareness... just think of all the agony of this damaged brainwashed crippled mind.
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>>33002580
>>33002680
>>33002903

You do know that the x-35 and the f-35 are similar in rough shape and propulsion only, right?
(pic related)
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>>33002903
What are you trying to prove posting the x-35?
It's just a concept demonstrator.
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>>33003165
>>33003170
Fatniks are always so, so deep in denial.
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>>33002916
This particular slime mould known as Physarum Vatnikae has been conditioned to react harshly when exposed to the truth about russias lack of capable ABM systems.
A sentient being would at this point have tried to quote wikipedia but being a slime mould living of krokodil, learning and reasoning is far beyond this sad exuse for a living being.
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>>33003188

What point are you trying to bring across by posting pictures of the x-35?
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What the fuck is going on ITT
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>>33003188
Are you and >>33002916 the same poster?
You throw out a lot of bait and shitposting but it's unclear what you're getting at.
You post the x-35 and insults aimed at burgers, a good start. You got some burgers hooked but you revert back to square one again and again.
What is the inflammatory claim relating to the x-35? What is part 2 in your baiting?
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>>33003233
Vatniks and kreml shillbots use this tactic to derail threads that touch the many failings of russia.
Shitpost it to oblivion so that no debate on the multitudes of russian lies or failures can be held.
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>>33003229
>>33003234
Always so very deep in denial. But why?
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>>33003202
>No ABM Capability
Naturally imagining the state of such a degenerated mind, given it is present at all, will make anyone depressed.
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>>33003378
>>33003261
Find a room already.
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>>33003233
Well, one imbecile claims that Russia has no ABM capability, and another one claims a prototype is the same thing as a production model while simultaneously spewing bullshit about PAK FA. In short, there's a usual fatnik circlejerk going on in this thread.
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>>33003401
What for? This room is suitable enough for a research of the deeply damaged and degraded fatnik cerebrum.
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>>33003363
What am I denying?
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>>33003378
It is one of natures mercy that the common vatniks lack any higher brain function given the immense rage and sadness that would feel upon learning that russia lacks any credible ABM system.
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>>33003430
He means get a hotel room for sexual activity, because the assrape you're receiving from the is making the neighbors nervous
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>>33003561
>No ABM Capability
To specify the certain amount of digested brainwash and propaganda required to cut all fatnik cerebral functions is however an interesting scientific topic.
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>>33003406
You know, pictures and links to articles about ABM systems and production models of the PAK-FA would elevate this thread.
The complete lack of such from the russian side lends to the theory that we only got common gutter trash vatniks in this thread and that the claims from the burgers are true, especially since no counter claims are forthcoming.
If you want to take the mantle as the leader of the russian side, refer to the pyramid and aim for the top.
Russians hardly ever go above the counter-claim with no evidence level but here's hoping.
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>>33003543
>>33003592
Poor little fatniks always in denial, always unable to answer why.
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>>33003627
You know what really would elevate this thread? Stopping fatnik bots from spewing the rancid bull shit they keep spewing out.
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>>33003626
As the last layers of cerebral cortex is eaten away by continuous krokidil injections, increasing delirium and delusions regarding russias ABM systems manifest in the vatnik.
Should the brain rotted vatnik be confronted by the fact russia lacks credible ABM systems he will react with squealing, impotent rage and crying bitch tears.
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>>33003634
I dunno, the x-35 looks pretty okay given that it's a demonstrator.
Is that delusional?
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>>33003658
Incredible counter-argument with supporting evidence there chap. Do they happen to pay you if nobody believes you BTW?
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>>33003658
Then shut them up with hard evidence. As it is you have a burger vs vatnik shitposting contest and the vatniks are losing on account of the fight being held on the burger home turf, i.e the English language.
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>>33001782
>>33001811
>>33001944
>>33002009
>>33002039
>>33002101
>>33002289
>>33002497
>>33002592
>>33002700
>>33002916
>>33003378
>>33003626
I don't know what's the most delicious :

The fact that the Ivan is dead set on hammering that point without even adressing it.

Or the fact that the Yankee kept answering and took until then >>33003627 to recognize a type-2 troll.

Either get a room or nuke each other, already
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>>33003690
No, saying that PAK FA doesn't look good for a prototype is.
>>33003709
Do they happen to pay you for spewing rancid bull shit? It is not the matter of belief, fatnik, it is the matter of mentally challenged burger shitposters posting shit.
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>>33003675
>>33003846
>No ABM Capability
Could it be months of brainwash? Years maybe? Does fastfood concumption and obesity fasten the effect?
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>>33001014
Polyus burned up in the atmosphere...
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>>33003938
>this is what a diet of krokodil and vidka does to a mind.
Sad!

Also, you are conveniently exlusing the word Credible.
I can buy a slingshot and claim that it will shoot down nukes. Same goes for russia, the A-125 is not a credible system which is proven by russia trying to replace it despite no recent deveopment in US ICBMs
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>>33003929
>PAK FA doesn't look good for a prototype
The PAK-FA is allegedly in LRIP, there should be plenty of photos showing the many design flaws remedied.
The problem is, to add a new cockpit and S-ducts would require such a major redesign it would hardly be the same aircraft any more.
In addition, the currently existing air frames are full prototypes, not merely tech demonstrators like the x-35 you posted which lends credibility to the suspicion that the what we see of the PAK-FA is very close to the final shape.
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>>33003954
Due to a human error that happened because the launch preparation was made in haste.
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>>33004027
PAK FA in not in LRIP yet. The problem is, you keep spewing this bullshit despite the simple fact that X-32 didn't have S-ducts and YF-23 didn't have one piece canopy, yet bosh passed stealth requirements more than perfectly. So piss off, please.
>the currently existing air frames are full prototypes
No they are not. They are adding features with every new prototype, flyable or static.
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>>33003975
>No ABM Capability
Or could it be an instantaneous effect? One day braindead parents just turn on Fox News or CNN and there you go.
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wow this thread (and all other like this)

>PAK FA is shit
>X-35 "stealth" features get posted
>lol x-35 is experimental plane
>PAK FA is shit continues

So tell me are vatniks are that great that they managed to build production vehicle from very first plane
or burgers just burgering?
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>>33004114
The latter. Something probably triggers this effect when they watch some bullshit at CNN and they come here to heal in a tribal circlejerk. I assume this time it was that story about "Russian spy ship violating international waters". Though who can tell for sure, really?
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>>33002503
This joke has the RCS of your mom.
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>>33004068
The PAK-FA might very well be in LRIP, that does not mean that any LRIP planes have been delivered.
You are also avoiding the fact that the PAK-FA has all 8 prototypes showing the same glaring design flaws whereas the actual F-35 prototypes(the x-35 is not a prototypeind you, it's a tech demonstrator) had all the stealth features sorted out.
If you look at the PAK-FA you will see that many features that are aimed to reduce radar signature in the X-band are omitted, such as sharp angles on the weapon bay doors and two piece canopy.
This makes perfect sense, why bother with those features when the lack of an S-duct makes X-band stealth impossible in any case?
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>>33003954
R.I.P SWEET PRINCE
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>>33004028

Yeah, vatniks cant close the deal.

Pretty common.
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>>33004114
>>33004134

>does not know the difference between tech demonstrator and prototype

Kindly neck yourself and do humanity a service.
Pic related is what you should compare the PAK-FA to.
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>>33003233
A single, probably American, poster keeps baiting the shit out of these guys by saying fatnik and repeating the exact same bullshit over and over.
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>>33004454
>thinking our resident vatnik is American

He has been here for a good two years. Hails from 8ch. Is a huge autist. Wont ever admit he is wrong, even when its extremely clear he is.
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>>33004474
I love how they resort to "fatnik", which means nothing, because they just can't handle the butthurt from being called vatnik.
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why does all Russian stuff look so much cooler that fatnik stuff?
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>>33004087

For the average vatnik it begins in the womb, when a female who fails to sell herself to the Americans settles. She then gets pregnant and thus begins drinking herself to oblivion, leading to what we see in this thread...

A vatnik that is damaged irreversibly from fetal alcohol syndrome.
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>>33004506
Because when they only have ~8 prototypes, they can put a lot more time into stuff looking "cooler"
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>>33004372
>such as sharp angles on the weapon bay doors
Are you a blind imbecile? I won't even bother referring to the rest of this wall of bullshit, just answer this question. Are you a blind imbecile, or are you just baiting?
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>>33004543

>cant argue a single point
>begins sperging out

Ahhh, classic.
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>>33004522
>No ABM Capability
Then again naturally it could be some sort of an inherited disease striking brain severely turning it into a pile of goo and a person into a fatnik bot.
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>>33004543
>such as sharp angles on the weapon bay doors
Answer the question, fatnik. Are you a blind imbecile, or are you just baiting?
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>>33004506

That is subjective.

>>33004372
>>33004068

The whole aircraft development cycle differs between the US and Russia. Russians dont do LRIP because you start the LRIP while the plane is still being tested while with the Russians, once production starts, the initial development cycle is completed and for newer versions of the aircraft, a new R&D cycle is started.
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>>33004574

Note here, as the fetal alcohol syndrome damaged vatnik cannot comprehend the point, or even the indecipherable runes he has viewed in front of him. Thus, he goes back on the only thing he understands, baseless insults.

Fascinating.
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>>33003938
It might be that the shitty russian joke of an educational system omitted to teach you the word "credible"
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>>33004594
>No ABM Capability
Of course this would not explain the aggravation peaked in the latter couple years with the amount of brainwashed slobbering fatniks on the internet seemingly exceeding 50% mark.
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>>33004630

Still, unable to understand a single declarative word, he mumbles to himself, alone in his Siberian hovel, the intermittent power flickering his lights.

Fear not. He spent his last potato rations on fueling the generator. He may not understand the capitalists point, it matters not to him. He will scream at them none the less, beating his shoe on the desk while he does it.

Little Vasily will starve again tonight.
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>>33004629

What does constitute a "credible" ABM system in your eyes? Just curious.
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>>33004586
Compare those doors to those on real stealth aircraft and you'll see why your mother injected krokodil and vodka while pregnant with you.
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>>33004775
>such as sharp angles on the weapon bay doors
Answer the question, fatnik. Are you a blind imbecile, or are you just baiting?
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>be interested in military stuff
>visit /k/ rarely
>go to thread x
>HURR DURR VATNIKS BTFO SLAV SHIT HAHH EHEHEHHH USA USA

is that normal? One fucking thread where everyone calm and can behave?
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>>33004775

The doors dont seem to differ much at all. What part of the doors on the Su-T50 differ from the F-22A that makes the T50 "bad" and the F-22A "good"?
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>>33004654
>No ABM Capability
Truly the reasons of such cerebral degeneration among fatniks is a scientific enigma yet to be solved.
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>>33004813

This Vatnik vs Fatnik shit started in 2015 and intensified in 2016 and it still is continuing in this year so far.

>One fucking thread where everyone calm and can behave?

One can only dream brother but i am afraid not. Not anymore i guess.

>>33004828
>>33004775

Good picture of the T50's doors for additonal comparison.
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>>33004813
In this thread, it's actually the exact opposite lmao
>HURR DURR FATNIKS BTFO US IS SHIT HAHH EHEHEHEH RUSSSSSSSSIAAAA
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>>33002680
Someone really needs to shop in a snake under where it says "no step"
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>>33004910
So fat it was only about how BTFO fatniks are about their retarded claims, not about how US is shit.
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>>33004979
WHAT CLAIMS
That vatniks only have ~8 prototype PAKFA?
That their navy is falling apart?
Please elaborate, vatnik.
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>>33004830

Still, the very meaning of the world alludes him. This does not bother the vatnik as it would you or I, as he cares not for logic or correctness, only shitposting.

Little Vasily comes to his door wondering where his half of a potato is, and earns a shoe to the face.

His father is defending the motherland tonight.
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Russian Federation[edit]

S-300PMU-2 vehicles. From left to right: 64N6E2 detection radar, 54K6E2 command post and 5P85 TEL.
The Moscow ABM defense system was designed with the aim of being able to intercept the ICBM warheads, and is based on:

ABM-1 Galosh[6][7] (decommissioned)[citation needed]
ABM-3 Gazelle[8]
ABM-4 Gorgon[9]
Apart from the main Moscow deployment, Russia has striven actively for intrinsic ABM capabilities of its SAM systems.

S-300P (SA-10)
S-300V/V4 (SA-12)
S-300PMU-1/2 (SA-20)
S-400 (SA-21)
S-500 (In development )

ABM Capability
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>>33005190
Fucking Fatnicks can´t int google
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>>33005190
>implying they have ABM capacity when they've yet to successfully defeat a terminal or midcourse ICBM.
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>>33005190
>abm
>never once intercepted a ballistic missile
>not even designed for it

kek
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>>33005245
The mentioned systems are specifically designed for abm and anti-icbm
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>>33005272
>s-300
>specifically designed for abm

lulz
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>>33005272
And yet have never actually been tested and proven.
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Could someone who isnt a retard from either side explain to me how this argument even started?

Aren't GMD, SM-3 and PAC-3 all ABM systems?
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>>33005354
oh and THAAD
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>>33002071

Its a matter of constriction and doctrine.

The US has a nuclear arsenal that includes tactical nukes that might be used in punctual situations like facing actors that tend to put their nukes under several tons of Earth underground, need to be disarmed quickly without causing WW3 or simply facing an enemy that lacks nukes and its getting the upperhand.

Russian doctrine is much more limited, so anyone that has a nuclear sneeze near its territory will simply get nuked back to the stone age.
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>>33005354
Soviets lost a theoretical war, therefore technology from the Soviet Union and now Russia doesn't deserve to be analysed and should assumed bad, and no evidence should be taken serious to the opposite.

Also yes they are all ABM systems.
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>>33005354

Yes... for the US.

Someone sees something they don't like in they sky(and is not a plane) they tell their CO, their CO orders the launch of the missile, the POG guides the missile to the target and the thing he didn't like in the sky is no more...
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>>33005484
>should assumed bad

I guess the Russians themselves were also fatniks as well since they didn't think their system was worth a shit.
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>>33005685

I'm learning moonrunes but I still don't completly understand the grammar, vocabulary or everything just the phonemes of the ciliric alphabet.

So, any resident/student of the squatting culture can translate this?
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>>33005709
>The work [on missile defense] has began in the mid-1960s. The TsNPO Vympel of the MRP [Ministry of Radio Industry] has developed the A-35M Moscow ABM system that has been on combat duty since 1979. The system provides a capability to intercept a single ballistic missile from some directions and up to 6 Pershing 2-type missiles from the FRG.

>The work on a replacement system, an improved A-135 Moscow ABM system, will be completed in 1987 to provide protection from a strike of 1-2 modern and prospective ICBMs and up to 35 Pershing 2-type intermediate-range missiles. The A-135 system includes a new acquisition and tracking radar, Don-2N (near Pushkino-Sofrino). In accordance with the Decision of the Central Comittee and the Council of Ministers of 15 July 1985, the work has began on further modification of the Moscow ABM system - the A-235 system (intercept of 8-12 complex ballistic targets and up to 40 Pershing-2-type missiles).

>The system will be presented for tests in 1995.

>At the same time, development is under way of a short-range intercept system S-550 for protection of single highly valuable objects (timeline -1988) and of a 'Sambo' system for protection of ICBM silo launchers (timeline - 1988).

There was only talk of testing the A-235 in 2013-14
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>>33005685
I don't know what that is, and I don't speak Russian, neither am i the guy who said fatniks earlier. However, it's undeniably the case that you cannot suggest anything made in the Soviet Union or Russia was better than western counter parts without being met with memes and shit posting.

This whole thread was made for the purpose of shit posting like that.
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>>33005821
I think, or at least I hope, the thread was started by someone trying to suggest that Russia is overspending on its military for a cause they can't win. Obviously it would mean a lack of understanding that the US aren't the only country Russia would want to compete with.

In any case, the shittier the thread, the more replies it gets. Just look at this, I'm even posting here.
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>>33005821
Bullshit.

Just look at the first shitpost of the thread that started everything

>>33001014
As usual, a vatnik gets rectal ravaged over some perceived slight and goes apeshit. This is how every fucking thread goes, the only thing worse are vatnik apologists who try to act like they are the victim.
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