ITT: We discuss the future of gun design and our wildest dreams

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polymer, striker fired pistols that are ll glock clones with slight changes in appearance that looks like they were melted and morphed just slightly enough to avoid copyright laws

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I look at stens and think, why not make improvements, make em smaller and in .32 or .25, maybe .32 NAA or .30 luger with wood stocks and handgaurds, or could one upscale it to fire things like .30 carbine and accept .30 carbine mags, flash hiders, optics, could be a modular, insanely cheap weapon to make. or even do like they did with Sterlings and full on rifle calibers, or maybe intermediates like .220 Russian, or 8 Kurz, integerally surpressed.

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>>32998808
So a Hi Point carbine if they actually cared? If the ATF were dissolved they could make them even cheaper with open bolts and short barrels, and with full auto now an option 380/32 versions would be popular bullet hoses, assuming they were made double stack. I believe they already have shitty rails so the modularity is there.

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Within the next few decades there will be a major shift in the shotgun market, as manufacturers seek to build the most compact, reliable, high capacity and inexpensive shotgun out there. Guns like the KSG and SRM 1216 have led the charge, but eventually the best selling shotgun in America will be an internally suppressed bullpup revolver fed by a tube magazine. Conventional pump actions and automatics wouldn't match the reliability of the revolver, or its effectiveness suppressed.

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>>32999040
sorta, also I \'d like to tinker to devlope a shorty carbine that could be readily able to switch between the different rimfires from .17 aguila to 5mm RRM and the like with a quick change barrel sleeve and adjustablt mag well and chamber, with ak style underfolder and short barrel and optics, with nice hi cap rotary mags

A falling, rolling, or tilting block repeater would be stupidly strong, and very inexpensive. If it were made into a rifle in the style of the old West it could take over the lever action market, or otherwise just challenge hunting rifles.

Bump for interest

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>>32998578
>We discuss the future of gun design and our wildest dreams
5.7x28 ammo loaded with poison.
Full size 5.7x28 full auto SMG with 200 rounds drum.

>>32999147
>implying mossburg will ever stop trying to sell pistol grip pump trash to nogunz

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Honestly, I feel like the two guns at shotshow 2017 that showed the most forethought and innovation were the H9, Avidity PD10 and Taurus SPECTRUM, though in different ways.

H9
>combining modern features and materials mated with time-tested ergos
>glock mags means excellent availability and legacy support should Hudson fold
>fire control group is removable

PD10
>ergos designed to fit a wide variety of hand shapes and sizes
>9mm 1911 mags for ease of availability and legacy support
>fills vacant market niche for single stack polymer 9 that isn't a Shit & Wesson and is thin like glock's offerings should be

SPECTRUM
>Hencho en USA
>extremely easy and safe takedown w/captured takedown pin
>industrial design and ergonomics studies commissioned to design ergos
>unprecedented degree of customization to appeal to non-traditional market segments
>groundbreaking re-imagining of slide serrations
>reversible magazine catch (rare on micro pistols)
>looks like a babby Vektor CP1
>can be turned into meme 90's solo cup with strategic application of purple sharpie

>>32998578
///no pic sorry///

cannons will have special wormhole-generators -is that even a word?- that allow instant travel anywhere by bending space itself, thus allowing to open fire on any target from anywhere.

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>>32998578
in the future, humanity will develop ammunition, that would "pull" all the atoms and molecules of anything it hit thru several dimensions, and at a predetermined moment release all the stress that has built up inside the "pulled" object, causing a massive explosion.

>>33003534
>Groundbreaking slide serrations
Let's not go quite that far. The customization is pretty brilliant though, and hopefully helps draw more young people into the club. I don't see the hype around the H9, it's just a Glock with 1911 ergos and "muh trigger", which doesn't mean much considering great triggers exist on other striker guns. The Maxim 9 is a much bigger deal:
>Flapper delayed blowback, literally who the hell thought of this
>Helps keep the action from fouling like other delayed blowbacks
>Parts and mags from popular established guns
>Suppressor is modular
I really want a compact version

>>33003984

The thing about the H9 trigger isn't just the pull weight/crisp break/etc. It's that it travels linearly instead of pivoting around a point. That fundamentally changes how the trigger feels.

>>32999147
>revolver fed by a tube magazine
what

>>33004094
>Tube mag feeds into space behind cylinder
>Can then be fed into cylinder by whatever
It's not hard

What about the caseless ammo meme?

>>33004444
It's just that, a meme. Literally only famous because muh cool looking high capacity (stupidly complex) G11, even though it worked like shit.

>>32999040

I'm not even a nig but a full auto open bolt Hi Point Carbine makes me moist.

just want someone to make a new run of P08s

In the future you will need a license and registration to own a butter knife in the UK

>>33004554
Toggle action is so sexy.

>>33004790
Unfortunately no advancement in technology can make them popular again.

>>32998578
The HSc is a cute gun. I wish there weren't issues with the safety blocking the sear, or I'd get one for EDC in a heartbeat.

>>32998578
I want to see a 556 LMG with high RPM, at least 1100. Made mostly out of polymer to offset the thick barrel/belt weight

Could you make a straight blowback that has a full weight slide moving the first few millimeters of travel, and then after that, when pressures have dropped to safe levels, a smaller bit of the slide is thrown back fully to feed/eject? Would reduce recoil, and if some weight only has to move a bit you could move it deeper into the gun to balance it.

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>>33004554
There is a company out there that is making custom reproductions in .45 ACP and 10mm.

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>>32998578
>The Hi Point of the future will be bascially a cheapened and arbitrarily striker fired astra A60.
>entirely ignoring that the hi point's crude die cast construction is why it's so cheap and bombproof.
>Improvements in bullet design made 10 years ago have made 380 far more viable
>future space magick will somehow make it shoot like an entirely different gun because anything that doesn't feel like a striker fired short recoil is hitler and I hate it

>>33004554
They tried that in the 60's or 70's, even made some stainless lugers.
It was fuckspensive and nobody wanted them

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>>33003534
>Hencho

>>33006172
>The Hi Point of the future will be bascially a cheapened and arbitrarily striker fired astra A60.
No, it'll be a Hi Point .380 but double stack, with the design changed around a bit to work and look much better.
>Improvements in bullet design made 10 years ago have made 380 far more viable
I said improvements that WILL be made. In the future.
>future space magick will somehow make it shoot like an entirely different gun because anything that doesn't feel like a striker fired short recoil is hitler and I hate it
>Implying blowbacks don't recoil more

Long recoil has a place in high-powered rifles. It's going to be the next big thing.

>>33006408
>No, it'll be a Hi Point .380 but double stack, with the design changed around a bit to work and look much better.
So yeah, an astra a60.
The hi point is just a walther PP made as crudely and cheaply as possible, taking advantage of hi point's closeness to a lot of high quality die casting plants .
To make it non-diecast and better looking, you're basically making yet another entry to the hallowed halls of the walther clone.

Hell, making it striker fired is really the most redundant part. all hi points are strikers already since it's the cheaper then hammer fired.

You're really tilting at windmills here, the hi point was designed to be the cheapest, easiest to produce gun that's still reasonably reliable compared to it's competitors.
I'd say it achieves all those goals admirably already

>>33006019
You would probably need a stop on the front part of the slide as the force to open it would need to be enough to y'know, move it. At which point you've pretty much got a short recoil mechanism.

>>33006502
It would be a piece of cake to make the Hi Point double stack, better ergonmically, and start only making one caliber to reduce the cost further.

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>>33005216
Too bad. I love unusual mechanical actions.

>>33006035
>locks lips

I want a piece of that clownpiece piece

>>33006212
yup in the 90s too.

>>33006758
>double stack
The hi point is single stack for three good reasons.
it uses a proven, cheap to produce pattern pretty much identical to most other single stack PP clones.
It keeps the already bulky grip from being cartoonishly thick and allows for sale to capacity ban states, which is part of it's design goal of being available in the largest amount of markets.
The grips being thick and awkward comes from cost savings, allowing it to be crudely cast while still being durable enough

>>33007935
FUCK OFF WITH YOUR LOGIC AND ENGINEERING KNOWLEDGE REEEEEEEE
Nah but really thanks for helping me understand why exactly the idea wasn't feasible.

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>>33004444
>>33004485

Paper cartridges were basically caseless.

>>33008754
what if instead of caseless ammunition you had some kind of flimsy cartridge that was discharged down the barrel by the following round

>>33004444
Will continue being a meme until some military adopts it.

>>33008754
Not the same.

>>33008754
But also fragile as fuck and not hi-cap magazine friendly.

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>>32998578
Carcano
smoothed action
carbon fiber stock
floated barrel
flip up peep sights
i don't know some sort of fuckin redesigned 6.5mm to act like a HEAT shell

>>33013371
>Not a straight pull

>>33013371
wan't that the rifle jfk was shot with?

>>33013800
yeap

>>33009482
imagine a bullet being the case
first shot shoots bullet out
catrige is the next bullet

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>>33016634

Also already been done in a couple different ways.

See: Rocketball and Gyrojet rounds.

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>>32998751
By that logic nearly all pistols are just copies of the 1911 just made cosmetically to look different and made out of plastic.

electromagnetic guns that fire just a metal projectile and require nothing but a battery

the guns have a dimmer type switch which allows you to decrease power to subsonic levels or increase for flatter shooting over longer ranges

>>33018270
and they have a thumbprint scanner in the grip to prevent misuse

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>>33018282
SMART GUNS OUT REEEEEE

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>>32998578
>We discuss the future of gun design
Nothing but striker fired polymer 9mm's and yet another AR-15, this trend will continue for decades or potentially centuries until we finally create a new and effective type of ammunition that offers a significant advantage over cartridges.

The future is never, welcome to complete and utter stagnation.

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>>33018329
>Mrw reading this post while working on several innovative gun designs
Soon brother, soon

>>33018540
You'll forgive me for not getting my hopes up thanks to the state of the gun industry for the past few years.

>>33018094
no
there have been lots of changes both aesthetically and function wise in pistols since the 1911. Dozens of glock clones that offer nothing new isnt innovative

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>>33018625
Of course. Be on the lookout if you're interested in shotguns, large caliber rifles, or compact pistols. It might take a few years, but I hope I can restore some of your hope.

>>33018282

Exactly no one who owns a device with a fingerprint scanner would rely on one for a fucking firearm. Things are finicky as fuck.

>>33003820
neat