Is there a weapon more beautiful or aesthetically pleasing than

>>32972478
>Is there a weapon more beautiful or aesthetically pleasing than the mighty European longsword?
no

>>32972478
>swordfighting
Thread is gay

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>>32972478
Ayy

>Using swords so hack, stab, cut, and bash your enemies to death whilst looking into their eyes and seeing the life drain from them
>haha ima be clever n call it gae

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>>32972478
I agree they are very pretty. I have a Valiant Armoury Rhinlander (pic related) on order... it's a Oakshote XIIa which I don't think are that pretty, I think the pointer XV and XVI are better looking.

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>Accented crossguards

>>32972478
the straight blade is aesthetically pleasing, but not as practical as a curved blade

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>Practical
Elaborate, cur.

>>32974747
better cutter, single edge lets you press on the back side of the blade, thrust just as well

>>32972649
not all of us want to look into another mans eyes as we put it in anon.

Not saying I do, either. But is there any weapon with the history and significance of a sword? Not just anyone can slay another with a blade.

Longswords were primarily a status symbol
That was a lot of steel in a single object
They were strong and sharp and could cut a man down easy

But, they were a product of their time
Foot soldiers were peasants with whatever sharp shit their lord could throw at them.
Of course a long sword was a killing machine

A knight in armour with a long sword could wade through a bunch of starving serfs with pikes and shovels.

It was a product of the Medieval era where organized warfare had collapsed for centuries.

You want to the true proper sword?
The Roman gladius.

The Roman legion was the organized machine of melee warfare
Hand to hand, it could not be beat

>>32974880
>It was a product of the Medieval era where organized warfare had collapsed for centuries.
>Muh dark ages
Opinion discarded.

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>>32972478
Nothing is more aesthetically pleasing than a LGM-118 Peacekeeper.

Look at that beautiful ebony god, thick and long.
with extra ribs for increased pleasure.

>>32974879
Mounted bow, by far

The Greco-Roman style of war eschewed the bow, for the most part

But that was just a cultural thing
The Parthians took the Romans apart with their mounted bowmen
The Huns nearly did too.
The Mongols shat on organize Medieval warfare

Mounted bowmen
Biggest weapon in pre-gunpowder history

>>32974916
Eat my dick
Whatever you say about the Medieval period, you can't discount that organized armies were discarded for conscripted serf forces.

>>32974604
I believe the inverse.

>>32972478
swordfighting doesn't exist. quick lucky stab then the fight is over, does.

>>32974942
the sword stayed relevant for longer though

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I'm partial to whatever the sword on the far left is called.

I like all shapes and sizes, though.

>>32972478

A1 wood furniture on an AR

>>32975000
Only because it didn't require a horse and years of practice

The same basic reason why the Legionary system didn't take hold in Medieval Europe, despite it's obvious superiority

I think that elaborate and curved guards are shit because they prevent you from properly mordhau'ing someone.

>>32975022
that would be a shamshir my dude

>>32975022
Scimitar, I think

>>32975022
Cavalry saber? Looks a bit on the short side though.

>I like all shapes and sizes
I'm sure you do, friend

>>32974763
Do you even Meisterhau, bro?

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>>32975028
No, because the gun rendered the bow obsolete but there still remained a need to give someone the ol' stabberoo. Swords were replaced by bayonets, some of which were still pretty swordy.
If anything the KNIFE has the most history of any weapon, because it's been a valid weapon for its entire history up to today.

>>32975151
I'd agree with the knife being history's greatest weapon

I mean shit, I'd say "rock in hand" or "pointy thing"

>>32975151
Id say the mortar made the bow obsolete. The gun replaced the crossbow.

>>32974953
Conscription peasants was something you did in an emergency because you had no other options. Professional armies never ceased to exist, though some countries did move to a "Warrior caste/class" system like the leudes (sworn men) and later feudalism.

What changed, more than anything else, was a reduction in scale of conflict and armies, because the end of the Mediterranean grain trade meant that large cities could no longer be kept fed, and when half your population has to farm to keep you all fed, the size of the army you can raise shrink drastically.

If you pull all the peasants out of the field, you'll starve next spring. Peasant armies mean either a peasant revolt or a fight against an existential threat where you expect losses to be heavy enough that starvation won't be a factor.

>>32972478
The Japanese "Katana" or "Kodachi"

>>32974604
It really depends on the time period and culture. Even a little bit of curve introduces a lot of loss in it's ability to trust and only a little increase in it's ability to cut. Cutting it extremely easy to defend against, even fabric armor like a proper Gambeson can significantly minimize cuts. Thrusting is much harder to protect against and takes less effort to leave a lethal wound.

>>32972478
it's kind of fascinating and interesting to watch youtube videos about, is what you meant to say, i think.

>>32972478
Katana
Schiavona

>>32975022
Are these yours? If so, major props to you, I see at lest two Albions in there. And I assume the rest aren't cheap either.

>>32975264
>even fabric armor like a proper Gambeson can significantly minimize cuts.
I smell dumb anglo with blunt sword
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn1VmbtEum8

>>32975304
fuck no they aren't mine. wish they were, though.

>>32975151
A bayonet is just a knoife or even a short sword attached to the end of a rifle, as you say. Swords were the absolute last dedicated melee weapon to go out of style. Knives survived since they have more uses than fighting and shanking someone is still quieter than a suppressed gun.

>>32972478
The Mauser.

>>32975196
Every country replaced their archers with gunners including country with best archery in the world, Osman Empire. Countries who failed to do such become irrelevant in the warfare.

>>32975196
nah, guns had already almost totally replaced bows before mortars became common. Early mortars were fuck-off huge and pretty much only used by or against fortifications. Early handguns had way more in common with bows in their usage than mortars, and bows are a pretty shit indirect fire weapon despite what the Total War games would have you believe

>>32975222
>expect losses to be heavy enough that starvation won't be a factor.
This was a reason behind a few of the Crusades
Population control.

Feudalism doesn't work if you have too many serfs that they realize that they overtake the ruling class 50 to 1

>>32975397
>Feudalism doesn't work if you have too many serfs
Feudalism does because knights can slay serfs in any quantities. Knights are ultimate peasant killing machines.

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>>32975366
Actually I take that back because something slipped my mind.

Machetes are another variation of sword and so swords as a weapon and a tool are STILL alive even today!

>>32974880
Manlet sword lover

>>32975436
That's a falsehood
Bows can do it
And crossbows doubly so

At the end of the day, pushing a knight down and stabbing him under the helm with a simple knife will do the job

Knights ruled by fear

Numbers embolden a man

>>32974880

Dark ages had a lot of organized warfare. Sure, people like to talk a lot about Vikings who are mainly known in history for murderimg peasants and monks, but they did have organized militaries.

Also, dark ages Europe was very different from dark ages England.

What is the middle ground between a katanfa and a broadsword? It would appear to be a kriegmesser or the more fully evolved sabre

>>32972495
Too bad your mom wasn't.

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>>32972478

>Hits like a busload of black men into your mom
>Has brass knuckles built in
>Made by americans, to kill americans. And also mexicans.

Checkmate athiests.

>>32975292
mah nigga, but don't forget dem sabers, bruv

>>32975317
hmm interesting, I think it needs more testing, I've seen the opposite. Also consider, this is a very large blow, in actual combat, its unlikely you would get an opening that big. And it also does not change my point, because Chainmail was also very common in the 14th century onward, and a sword is not slashing through riveted mail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCP-8L2pFTU

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>>32975448
Well machetes are pretty firmly in the tool category, they are not swords. Machete like blades were used in many cultures that also had swords.

More so swords have a traceable lineage and they do not evolve into machetes.

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>>32975264
>Cutting it extremely easy to defend against
Try it peasant.

Thrusts are more lethal sure, but that doesn't necessarily mean they'll stop somebody faster. People hype up thrusts too much to the point where they act like slashes are useless.

It just reads like a fedora neckbeard saying he'll pierce somebody a dozen times while using his million folded rapier.

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>>32976605
This. Stabs are lethal but they can take minutes to kill. Cut off someone's limbs or head and the fight ends immediately.

Many cutting weapons also punish through armor. Axes, dadaos, falcatas, etc

>>32976605
part of the english butler graduation exam

>>32976605
This is sort of unrelated but it really boils my milk when people act like a rapier is a light, fast weapon like a smallsword.

Rapiers are heavy as fuck. You need more upper body strength for rapier than you need for any other sword, except maybe a giant montante.

>>32975887
Katana was made to kill peasants with no armour
Samurai were essentially thugs for an oppressive leader

A broadsword was more of a multi-purpose weapon
You can fuck up a armoured person or a peasant or anything who attacks you

Katanas were just for serfs

A middle ground would be just... A knife?

>>32972478
An ar 15

>>32974879
>>32974942
the bow and arrow in general, I would say
it developed on nearly every continent and often had many variations and improvements just in one region
>>32975151
also this, but it can be hard to divide what's a knife and what's something else like a dagger or a bayonet or a hand-axe

>>32972478
Haha that's a barely passable attempt at a sword you posted there friend. The Katana is the better sword. I should know what I’m talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that’s about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.
Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.
Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I’m pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.
Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That’s right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.

>>32974177
What's the strength on those?
Can I use it to beat the shit out of a motherfucker or is it going to be a wallhanger?

>>32977185
>Unsheaths Katana
>cloth wrapping falls apart
>blade cracks at the hilt
>Blade hits the ground
>turns into dust because it's made of fucking sand

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>>32977185
muh folded pig iron butter knife

>>32977232
>>32977258
>bites extremely old DnD pasta
>facebook url
really makes me think

>>32976605
And how effective is the cut when they are wearing chainmail over a gambeson? Not at all.

>>32977211
I don't have one, but they're pretty well regarded for the price point.

>>32977283
And who's going to be wearing chainmail over a gambeson in the 21st century?

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>>32977211
It's a properly heat treated 1060 carbon steel blade with peened construction. It's stronger than an historical counterpart. For $650 you would be an idiot to buy a wallhanger.

>>32977292
Who's going to be fighting you with a sword in the 21st century?

This debate has no point because it has no set focus.

But if you look into, at lest European History, trusting was far more used, due to Armor, but also because of reach and the fighting style that evolved from armor. Of course though, in Asian cutting was more common.

>>32977305
1060 is pretty average steel though

>>32976463
Swords as defined as having a blade that far too long to be considered a knife or a dagger. Even though its a tool the machete is still a choppy stabby metal thing that is very similar to other purpose-built but minimalist combat swords all around the world.

A messer is sort of a giant oversized knife but we recognize a messer as a variation of a sword due to how it is meant to be used. I bring up the messer because it can have much the same construction method as a machete except with a crossguard and generally more length.

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>>32977491
Yep, but as far as swords go, it's plenty fine. 1060, 1075, 5160, 6150, T10, L6, ect.... They all work just as well for practical normal use, the tempering is more important as long as a good carbon steel is being used.

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>>32972478
Yes, anon, yes there is.

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>>32972478
Reminder that the Type XVIIIe is the most aesthetic sword.

>that transition between the ricasso and the rest of the blade

>>32972494
/thread

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>>32977939
Yeah I'm a big fan of the XVIIIe, not a particular fan of the wood/wire handle though. I really wish Dark Sword Armory were not really questionable (at best), or else I may just have bought their Danish two handed sword over my VA Rhinelander. I may still get the DSA Danish dagger one day just for the heck of it, it looks the same as pic related but in dagger proportions.

>>32978034
I like the angular grip with metal bands, adds character. Same with the faceted pommel. Can't say how comfortable it is with bare hands though, as I've never held one. Shame that the Albion one is obscenely expensive.

I have an Angus Trim XVIa/XVIIIb style of thing, it's alright. Nice and light.

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>>32972478
The Colt revolver.

Other than that? No.

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>>32978102
Yeah Albion is very expensive... I'm in love with their Doge (pic related), but idk if I'll be willing to put that kind of cash on a sword by the time they are no longer made. Currently I've got a VA Rhinelander on order, next European sword I get (maybe years), I may be looking around the $1,000 mark, but probably a Lockwood with a sheath.

>>32978112
Love this video. Have you seen this one yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn36Pb8z3yI

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>>32978238

>>32978356
kek, I would spend $1,000 on that

>>32975022
I own the sword in the middle. the Albion Kingmaker. It's so lively in the hand that it almost feels like it wants to be swung.

>>32978441
Wheel pommel is ugly and overused though. I wish they would make a new model that basically swaps out this one for a Burgundian pommel. They're basically the same sword except one is "premium".

>>32976914
>try to rob English country house
>some ancient Alfred with a longsword appears from the gloom and cuts you off at the knees
I would love to see that headline.

>>32977283
Well yeah, that's why you don't cut against mail.

>>32972478

>At the end of the day, pushing a knight down and stabbing him under the helm with a simple knife will do the job

You say that as if pushing an armored dude to the ground is easy and as if he wouldn't just get back on his feet in a second.

>>32974604
Curve blade provide no advantage whatsoever
https://youtu.be/h8EieeQRllM

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I want one of these things even though I've always just been a gunfag.

>>32978516
Ment for
>>32975474

>>32977058
>Katanas were just for serfs

ignoramus detected

Who XVIIIb here?

>>32978518
Even in the video he says that slight curves have no inherent advantages to cutting, but greater curves do improve cutting performance.

That being said, I agree that any performance gained is at a significant thrust lost, and I don't think that is worth it.

>>32977185

Terribly obvious b8, my dude.

What's nearly as bad are the dumbasses who swing in the opposite direction and hold that katanas were shit swords.

deus vult intensifies

>>32978518
Too bad that this guy never did japanese swordsmanship or kendo as the curve is used actively even in the kendo no kata.
If he had done some little research about koryu he would have realized that the curve is used in some ways, not tremendously sure, but used nonetheless (for binding tricks and cavazione mostly).

>>32978557
because it's an extremely old pasta you fucking faggot

>>32977058
>Katana was made to kill peasants with no armour
So why are older traditionnal japanese swordsmanship made to fight people in armour?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aeWU8CYl5M

>>32978572
I'll kill you with my bare hands, you dimwitted double goat.

>>32978584
you won't do shit you newfag fuck

>>32978571
And how is it used?

Even if it is "used", assumable to some advantage, who is to say it gives a big enough advantage to counteract the loss in thrusting ability?

I don't even know what the argument is anymore... I'm just pointing out possible flaws.

>>32972478
I've long been a katana guy...a couple decades of judo, jujutsu, and aikido will do that to you. But I've recently been finding myself more and more drawn to arming swords and longswords. Good stuff there.

>>32978586
And I'll fuck your mom again when I'm done. Baaaa...

>>32978614
honestly how mad are you right now because of how fucking dumb you are that you fell for incredibly old pasta?

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Messer look so pleasing.
Were they any good?

>>32978616
not nearly so mad as I was, after hearing your jimmies rustling so loudly. Look at yourself, son! Ranting and raving about pastas and how old they are, when you're the one making this exchange the joke it is!

>>32978590
As I said, in the bind you can cover the enemy's sword simply by turning you sword and overbind him (kendo #3), you can do a "cavazione" simply by turning the handle on its own axis, you don't need to drop and go up with the wrist as with a straight blade. Also, you can push forward the enemy's blade and this simply will push it to the side, without changing you arm's lines like with a straight blade. Basically, in a bind, it allows to do more with less movements.

All in all it isn't game changing but you can do it whereas it's mechanically impossible with a straight blade (the same effect can obviously still be done with more wrists and arms movements, but it's less subtler).

After this, it's just a matter of preference in strategy of course. But just to point out, this australian gentleman knows very little in terms of japanese swordsmanship (if anything that isn't wikipedia-level) and he was called out when he talked about european swordsmanship so I would take whatever he says with a dose of salt.

>>32978624
you got me I'm so mad right now about uh
um
you know
yeah I'm really mad though

>>32978630
You seem to be pretty mad about the fact that I'm not as mad as you think I should be, my dude. Just relax and don't be so quick to call people idiots. Or I really will fuck your mom after I kill you with my bare hands.

>>32978644
you won't do shit bitch nigger

>>32978617
It's a practical mostly civilian no-nonsense short sword with a peculiar handle and guard construction...
Plenty of ressources about how they were used are available btw.

>>32978646
*sigh* you're really determined to be this mad, aren't you? Okay, you win. You're SO not-mad you're calling me a bitch nigger. I am deeply hurt. I am raging inside. I have tears of frustrated rage.....dripping down onto your mother's extremely excited nipples.

>>32974604
A curved blade may be great for cutting, but is utter shit for thrusting.

A straight blade may 'only' be pretty good at cutting, but is great for thrusting.

I choose a straight blade all day, it's simply more versatile. Also more aesthetically pleasing.

>>32974763
>thrust just as well
>imploing

>>32977185
Haven't seen this one in a while. VINTAGE

>>32972478
I honestly like the looks of mid-length swords better. It's all relative, such as Celtic swords being referred to as longswords, but they still were nothing like medieval, era longswords.

The swords Romans used about 200 AD were very simple yet beautiful as well imo.

Anyone know of any good museum pictures of an Illyrian sword? I hear them referenced all the time as something very unique in Greek historical texts, but every time I search for one they never are always mislabeled swords that arent' actually Illyrian.

>>32975000
That's not true. There were some instances of native americans giving firearms some big trouble, far more than a sword would have. Although, that ceased to be the case once lever actions came around.

>>32974880
>Longswords were primarily a status symbol
Every shit-stained fucker could afford a remotely well made longsword by the 15th century, they were cheaper than your average shit tier smartphone today. If you had the money, you would most likely get a few fancy decorations on there.

Also by the 14th century, when the longsword first appeared, even the regular footsoldiers would be pretty well equipped. Though they wouldn't have a full plate armor, they very well could get their hands on a mail shirt and a brigandine, as well as a bascinet for head protection. For weapons, they would probably have a arming sword, a dagger and some sort of polearm, like a glaive or a raven's beak.

What you're referring to are probably the early medieval ages, around the 10th or 11th century. Longswords didn't exict back then, bud. Only arming swords.

>>32978786
>A curved blade may be great for cutting, but is utter shit for thrusting.
Depends on the importance of the curve, small curvature like later style japanese sword can thrust ok for instance, same thing with some victorian-era british sabre. It's not optimal, but it's certainly good enough for practical use.

>>32978519
what sword is that?

>>32979831
Looks like a Valiant Armoury Malatesta. A sword they may JUST have put out of the production cycle for the mean while.

>>32977033
What are you talking about? You're looking at 8-900g for a rapier

>>32979957
A good deal of historical rapiers are 1200g or so though, they come in many size, but some were heavy for a one-handed sword.

>>32976141
>>Has brass knuckles built in
wat? The basket was to protect the hand from other swords. It was the buckler you'd punch faces with

>>32980849
>It was the buckler you'd punch faces with
You wouldn't need or use a buckler with these though.

>>32976605
Where is this from? Is that Dwight from the office in the background ?

>>32981038
2016 Longpoint's cutting competition iirc.

>>32977033
>boils my milk

>>32978131
what it feels like to have dysentery

>>32974999

That's like saying boxing doesn't exist because
"durr one lucky punch then the fight is over"

be more specific... longswords were used over like 3 centuries. This is like saying the military rifle is the most aesthetically pleasing weapon... which one, m8?

>>32979957
it's not so much the weight as it is the length. You basically end up using the longest rapier you can, which ends up being a huge strain on your wrist and shoulder. A 4-5" reach advantage is huge

>>32977033
>Rapiers are heavy as fuck. You need more upper body strength for rapier than you need for any other sword, except maybe a giant montante.
Nope. They weight the same as single handed swords (1.1-1.5 kg), well all single handed swords weight mostly the same. But rapiers have reward balance and more weight concatenated in handle not in the blade. It definitely less tiring to hold rapier in stance comparing to broadsword or sabre. Also thrusts require order of magnitude less strength to be effective than cuts.

>>32981697
nah he's right.... rapiers are very tiring to use. They might not require excessive max strength, but tax you endurance-wise like crazy. Yes the balance is towards the hilt, but that's counteracted by the fact that the rapier is so frigging long in the first place.

To put things in perspective a longsword averages 1.5kg and that's wielded with 2 hands, and sabres are 700-800g, much lighter.

>>32974942
>But that was just a cultural thing

Kind of, but the cultural reason also had to do with geography. Heavy infantry were much more effective in the terrain of Europe.

>The Parthians took the Romans apart with their mounted bowmen

The Parthians and Romans basically fought to a stalemate for centuries.

>The Huns nearly did too.

The Huns used a fair bit of infantry themselves from the Germanic allies. Also the Roman Empire wasn't exactly at the height of its power.

>The Mongols shat on organize Medieval warfare

The Mongols never really engaged medieval Europeans past Hungary and Poland, whom both were very cavalry centric themselves.

>>32975022

whats that goofy dildo lookin one?

>>32975317
>Look at this one test and only this test
If you get hit with such a big blow in a fight you deserve it

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>>32981851
weird-looking katzbalger... typical sidearm of the landsknecht (german merc companies during the renaissance)

>>32974880
>I don't know much about Medieval culture or warfare; the post
Wars were generally organised affairs between professionals, not peasants.
Heralds surveyed battlegrounds to count losses and report noble deaths.
Peasants were pressed into service only in the worst situations, hell, even English archers were Yeomen, not serfs.

>>32974953
DO YOU EVEN READ HISTORY YOU FUCKING CUNT

God /k/ triggers me when it tries to talk about history

>>32977033
Rapiers are light, estocs are heavier

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>MRL deal of the day Gladius on the way
>Kriegsschwert still on work queue
I think I'm done buying sharp stuff for the year now. Wasn't even planning on a gladius but 60% off was too good to pass

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>>32974935

>>32981697
nah mang, I fence both rapier and military saber and of the two, rapier tires you out much faster, mostly because in rapier you're pretty much in longpoint the entire time. In saber your guards are much closer to the body and much more vertical which is much easier on the wrist. You can even hang out in a "vom tag" type guard and still have a valid defense, which in rapier is basically begging to get stabbed. You'll see guys getting utterly gassed in the wrist and shoulder after like 15 minutes of rapier drills.

>>32978786
if you are on a horse then a curved blade is the best, if you are on foot a straight blade has advantage, but a curved blade is also quite useful.

if you have to standardize one sword for all of your army, especially if the only real melee you are going to get into is cavalry charges, you want a curved sword such as a tulwar or saber.

>>32974942

The mounted bowman is basically the ancient version of the fighter plane, we just have better mounts and better bows now.

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more aesthetically pleasing?
>nazi daggers

>>32975887
>>32977058
I meant as ln the style. A curved single edged European sword

>>32975887
Aside from the curved single edge there's not really many similarities between the katana and the kriegsmesser

>>32978509
>>32978513
What are these sexy things

>>32986891
it's called a swiss sabre.

>>32986877
The katana's hilt construction is knifelike and therefore it is a Japanese messer with a minimalist guard.

>>32974604
curved blade is literally only useful for drawing sword on horseback. This thread is shit.

>>32987052
Only because of the pinned handle. That's like saying a late medieval longsword is the same as a han dynasty jian because they're both (primarily) two handed double edged swords.

You're looking at two incredibly common features on a sword (curved blade, pinned construction) and saying they're the same. Are an AK and an AR the same gun because they're both magazine fed and can be found with a long-stroke gas system?

The katana's tang is hidden, generally messers weren't
The messer has a functional pommel while the katana's is just an incredibly lightweight end cap for the ito wrap to terminate at
The messer construction is permanent, the only permanent fitting on a katana is the habaki
Good messers have huge distal taper, while the katana had minimal to none due to how they had to heat treat their swords
The messer was made with a single type of steel throughout the entire sword (though there may have been some that had the tang forge-welded on in poorer examples), the katana had multiple layers of different steels all at different hardnesses (outside of the low quality and very unpopular Maru construction)

>>32977185
>Haha that's a barely passable attempt at a sword you posted there friend. The Katana is the better sword. I should know what I’m talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that’s about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.
>Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.
>Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I’m pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.
>Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That’s right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.
beutiful bate m8

>>32972478
Why do I want to mount a European longsword at a gun and make the sword into an overly large bayonet.

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>>32972478
yes

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>>32986910
Come to k, see the k31 - fall in love.
Go on military girls thread, all the hot ties are swiss
See this sabre.... it's swiss


I FEEL THE WARP OVERTAKING ME!!

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>>32987456
Been done before, sort of.

>>32987465
What even is the point of that thing?

Shouldn't a mace have a lot of it's mass at the striking end?

That seems too balanced toward the hilt to crush armor.

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>>32972478

Yes, and there are many of them. To name a few: The Indian tulwar and khukri, the German flamberge, the French sabre, the English yew longbow, the Persian shamshir, the Roman gladius and caestus, the American Winchester, and an absolute myriad of Japanese weapons (including the naginata, nodachi, yumi, o-katana, wakizashi, kanabo, yari, and matchlock gun, among others) are all far better looking, and much more effective in the right hands (at least in a single-combat scenario.)

The "European longsword" is just about as basic-bitch you can get as far as weapon aesthetics are concerned. They were cheaply and uniformly made, with little to no effort put into artistic preference, and especially little effort put into the scabbard. In terms of weapon shape, it is almost as ugly as the falchion, shotel, repeating crossbow or standard short-sword, and that's the point-- it was a weapon meant for crushing armor and armies, not artistic performances or duels. The people who held these things were peasant crusaders, not philosophers or nobility, and even among crusader aesthetics the longsword is a weak choice. Try the flail instead.

As far as "long, straight bars of death" are concerned, the claymore is the far superior weapon both in terms of aesthetics and overall performance.

The longsword absolutely had its place in history, and it's a respectable weapon in its own right, but westaboos can kindly fuck off to more beautiful Western weapons-- with extremely rare exceptions like Joyeuse, the longsword is ugly as sin.

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>>32987534
It is tapered, the photo doesn't show it well. It's a mace design unique to Italy in the 14th century, that obviously didn't catch on. Probably used more like a club for civilian purposes, than against armored opponents.

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>>32987534
No idea, but damn are they sexy

They were heavy weapons(comparatively) and could probably fuck up people in the armor of the time period. As far as I know it was a weapon of the early 14th century, when mail was still the main defense for a lot of the body. One hit from it would fuck up your arm, and it's not like you can have super thick padding on your limbs

>>32987763
Jesus christ, ths isn't even a pasta.

>>32977939

Really should have included this as an exception on this list: >>32987763

That one is fucking beautiful.

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>>32987763
you do know that they had expensive longswords, right? The sword in your pic was never meant for fighting, and is just a way to show off how rich you are

>>32987763
>japanese matchlocks
Thank you for reminding me.

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>>32987763
>Joyeuse
jesus, can you get more gaudy? That thing is appallingly overdecorated

There is beauty in simplicity, something autists like you struggle with

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>>32987763
>Crush armor
I really hope you aren't using that in a literal sense, what possible reason do you think a sword, a weapon designed to cut and thrust fits the same role as weapon like a mace or hammer

>>32987971
Haven't you heard, Euro swords are just slightly sharpened crowbars.

My God. How many times you fold steel has NOTHING to do with making a sword miraculously act like a light saber. All u katana fags are the same. do you even know why a bladesmith does that??? It's because the absolute SHIT metal you made in a clay oven is so full of garbage and carbon u literally have to beat and fold it out before it becomes steel strong enough to be used as a sword. A KATANA is ART, they are pretty to look at and are precise and smooth to use. BUT THEY ARE ALL DELICATE just by design. I make them out of modern material. The same shit used in tools like snap-on or mac which is waaaaaaaaay higher quality than even the best matiral they used at the time. Katanas are still fragile. Even when two warrior faught they avoided clashing eachother swords out of respect. BECAUSE IT FUCKS THEM

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>>32987880

You are very welcome.

>>32987852

Yes and, as I said, some rare exceptions are very good looking. Some great ones have been posted in this thread, even. But of course, the overwhelming majority of these were made in the modern-age, using advanced techniques that were simply not available back when people actually fought each other with swords. To that end, the ring blades in your picture (as adorable as they are,) were never truly meant for fighting, either. They are not "authentic" weapons.

[And I would actually contest that the sword I posted was "never meant for fighting," as well. Tulwar were typically used as cavalry swords, with the sword increasing in ornateness as a soldier's proximity to royalty increased. Seeing as that one was an antique, it was probably used by someone, once.]

As to showing off how rich you are-- that's the point of a thread about aesthetics. Honest to goodness, most authentic longswords look like crap. They are only slightly better looking on average than the spatha (aka: the Runescape dildo sword) or the jian (yet another razor sharp dildo.)

>>32987907

I have no problem comprehending this concept, but if you're just going to post some Witcher 3 replica sword and preach to me about simplicity, why not just go shovel some dirt into your mouth and tell me how that tastes compared to caviar?

In all seriousness, the sword you posted, while fairly elegant for its color scheme and utterly mundane shaping, is entirely of modern construct. Real longswords never even looked that good... and that's not saying much to begin with.

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>>32988294
>Real longswords never even looked that good.
What is the point of posting if you don't have any idea what you're talking about?

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>>32987971
>what possible reason do you think a sword, a weapon designed to cut and thrust fits the same role as weapon like a mace or hammer
Sometimes swords have hammers.

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>>32988294
>Real longswords never even looked that good
According to who?
We know that a medieval king (his name escapes me, Henry the 8th?) had commissioned several swords designed to be gifts to other rulers, and adjusting for price, they were literally millions of dollars each by today's currency, people could make swords just as complex as in >>32987971 and they had been done lots of times in lots of cultures across lots of different time periods

Of course not all swords are going to look like that though, but that's where I find the simple elegance of swords such as this to be very nice.

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>>32988294
we don't have a huge number of extant sheathes, seeing how they're made of biodegradable materials, but most would be pretty simple with some leather working and brass/bronze

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>>32987971

I didn't mean it literally, but uh... have you ever heard of the "murder stroke"? Because people actually could crush armor with a longsword. That's part of the reason why they made such fantastic "army weapons"-- there is almost no more versatile a weapon on the planet than your basic-bitch longsword.

Again, I am not going to talk about longswords as though they had no merits. That would be fucking ridiculous. Most of them just weren't very good looking, is all.

That is a very nice modern longsword.

>>32988104

They are when they're heavy as fuck and the local blacksmith quenches your cheap, pigiron sword in his own urine, unfortunately. That said, who says a slightly-sharpened crowbar would have any problem getting through armor and cutting a major artery? Actually, slightly-sharpened crowbars would have still made for fantastic peasant weapons, so I really don't see what your point is.

This is a thread which is ultimately about aesthetics, not performance.

>>32988260

The point of this thread is to talk about aesthetics. Although I only named a single kind of katana myself, the overwhelming majority of katanas were indisputably better looking swords than the overwhelming majority of longswords.

I think katanas are kind of basic myself, but they're still much prettier to look at than "muh goffik steel bar," most of the time.

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>>32988430
I would argue that it depends on who the sword was owned by and what it's purpose was.

If you're wealthy, and you want to carry a sword around for self defense? You're damn right you're getting a scabbard made like this. You spent all this money on a top of the line sword you're not going to cheap out on the only thing 99% of people will see. The sword back then was as much a fashion statement as a tool to protect yourself, and considering every other culture in the world - from Scandinavia, to India, to China, to Japan, to early-modern europe all had rich people buying incredibly intricate swords and scabbards there's no reason why medieval Europe didn't

If you're just a professional soldier looking for a sidearm to carry on your hip on a battlefield? A more plain sword and scabbard, something that will fulfill all the purposes that it needs but not necessarily be super intricate with complex metalwork and leather tooling but it'll do the job, like what you posted

>>32988491
https://www.albion-swords.com/swords/johnsson/sword-museum-svante.htm
>That's a very nice modern longsword
The original looks very nice too, it's in a fairly decent condition and the Albion was extremely accurately made to match it

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>>32988491
longswords were never cheap and were made by people who studied for years to make them. Almost any sword made in Europe after the 15th century was better than a katana. Italian armorers would spend their entire young life mastering their trade. You think the people that made the things meant to fight fully armored opponents were just casting them like the orcs in Lord of the Rings?

Longswords aren't heavy, blacksmiths knew what they were doing, the murder stroke was about focusing the energy into a small area, and katanas are shit

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>>32988367

Throw me a bone here-- is that actually an authentic sword? I don't think black iron was ever a popular sword material because of it's overwhelming weight. Nevertheless, that is a really nice black iron dildo you have there... wouldn't make for a bad Black Knight cosplay sword, to be quite honest, although I think the crossguard is upside-down.

>>32988373

That is a very nice crossguard.

>>32988374

>"Yes and, as I said, some rare exceptions are very good looking. Some great ones have been posted in this thread, even. But of course, the overwhelming majority of these were made in the modern-age, using advanced techniques that were simply not available back when people actually fought each other with swords."

I even brought up Joyeuse in an earlier post. That is just one example of a great looking longsword, even if it's a bit overdone for some people in this thread.

I like the pommel and binding of this sword a lot, but the imperfect blade and that crossguard are really weirding me out. Maybe I'll post a couple of longswords, since they're in such high demand in this thread.

>>32988430

Those actually don't look too bad for black leather! Again, these are modern swords, but if you're just looking for something to stab a home intruder with, one of these oversized daggers might not be so bad.

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>>32988675
You are aware what a patina is right? And you must know that every cm of patina that is removed is 10's of thousands of dollars coming off of the sword as well?

We have plenty of finds of extremely old swords that are in such a good condition that they would look like they were made yesterday if they were polished up properly, however if you were to do that you'd be throwing away thousands upon thousands of dollars. Like this training sword, replace the cracked handle and polish the blade and you'd have a great federschwert to practice longsword, and you'd also have just thrown away all the value it could possibly have

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I really don't save many pictures of antique longswords, so I'll only post this one, but this one is fantastic. The rounding of the blade is top-class, and the crossguard, hilt and pommel are all built to absolute perfection. There's also something to be said about the way the light hits that blade, giving it that bluish, almost glasslike appearance... very mystifying. If all longswords looked like this, I would put them on the same level as any katana, aesthetically-speaking.

Unfortunately, most of them don't.

>>32988610

>Katanas are shit.

This is a thread about aesthetics. Aesthetics, my man. And speaking of aesthetics, that is an extremely beautiful knife.

>Any sword made in Europe after the 15th century was better than a katana.

I guarantee you that knife was made way after the 15th century, and that much of what was made before hand (ie: dark ages pigiron swords,) are what constitute the overwhelming majority of "European longswords." By then, they were already moving into polearms.

I am really not trying to debate Eastern vs. Western sword performance, here, but yes, the Italians made some incredibly well-balanced, high-performance swords. I am not trying to dispute that. Katanas, however, still looked much better on average, and would have performed just as well as any European sword against the kind of armor that katanas were regularly being pitted against.

>>32988555

Is that the correct link?

>>32988533

Ring scabbards have always been a favorite of mine, as far as European-style scabbarding is concerned.

>>32988675
criminy, that's not iron you jackwagon

>>32988849
That's the link to the Albion, there are a few images of the antique there

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>>32976141
also a copy of the frechies

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>>32975474
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Muret
Where are your numbers now, knave?

>>32988849
Gaudy ornamentation is tacky, unappealing, and effete. Brutalism is the most aesthetic architecture style, the Jeep Crew Chief is the best looking vehicle, the H&K USP the best looking pistol, and the best looking armor and weapons of antiquity are munition iron from the pike-and-shot era: flat, grey, and unadorned.

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>>32988675
>is that actually an authentic sword
Yes. Here's another piece, also from the 1500s.

>>32989148
Though I will grant you that swords from the early middle ages weren't all that aesthetic. But later on they really started getting fancy with them.

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>>32989012
>Brutalism
As long as it's interesting brutalism and not boring old Commie apartment block brutalism.

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>>32988736

Unfortunately, yes. This is the foremost problem with collecting antique swords, and the primary reason why I do not collect many antiques at all. Personally, I am of the perspective that, if a person owns a sword, they ought to take care of it, irrespective of how this might damage the 'long-term value' of the sword. Not only would I polish that sword and replace the hilt, I would also want to take the blade to the grindstone and completely refurbish its sharpness, thus renewing the sword's status as a true work of art. Nothing is meant to last forever; of course, antique collectors don't hold that opinion, so I would just be taking value out of their precious market. There are plenty of modern-day swordsmiths from highly prestigious swordsmithing families, from which you could have a "modern antique" commissioned, albeit at absolutely exorbitant prices.

>>32988855

Sure looked like black iron to me.

>>32988952

Took me a second to realize what I was looking at, thanks!

>>32989148
>>32989177

That's another beautiful sword.

>>32989012

My friend, I appreciate the rigid, uncompromising meritocracy of this statement. What you fail to understand, however, is that beauty itself is meritorious in its own way. Ignoring that, however, you would still be wrong about everything you've said: The "best looking vehicle" would be the Zumwalt-class battleship commissioned by the US Navy, the "best looking pistol" would be a fully automatic Glock 19 with a drum magazine, and the "best looking armor" of antiquity would be the highly decorative, but extremely effective heavily-fluted armor of the late Renaissance era. Finally, excluding all guns and major artillery such as grapeshot, the "best looking weapons" would actually be machine crossbows-- thereby excluding anything cast in "munition iron from the pike-and-shot" era.

If I were to interpret this statement in the most literal way possible, I also would want to accuse you of loving black, AIDS-infected dicks.

>>32989214
Welcome! To City... 17.

>>32989214
>>32989636

That shit makes me want to vomit.

>>32974775
Then close your eyes and take it like the slut you are.

>>32974942
Mounted is good. English strongbowmen we're savage though. They could get some crazy power and range considering the low tech.

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>>32978617
what about the grossemesser?

Even though it's not technically a weapon I think the shield is much more aesthetically pleasing than a sword or any other weapon you would use with it. There's so many different shapes you can make a shield, different ways to hold it, different weapons you can pair them up with, paintings on it, not to mention how you use it in battle. Some of the greatest ancient armies used shields extensively and to very great effect, so much so that their shield is as much a part of their look as their clothing or weapon. Even now we have shields used for certain purposes.

What are some trad swords for a fashy goy of German/polish stalk?

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>>32972478

A Roman Spatha.

>>32990108
Can't go wrong with a langesmesser...

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claim

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>>32990243
und

>>32990243
>>32990249
51 and 15

Polax most based.

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This thread has just made me want a big old sword. I can't afford this shit, man, I have ammo to buy.

>>32990529
Melee weapons don't need ammo, anon.

>>32990243
I pick 31

>>32990529
Ammo is useful. Swords are wall hanger cosplay a shit, and you will never use them in IRL combat. You can buy weebtoys but they will not transport you into a different reality or make you a badass. If you are rich, waste the money. If you are not, buy ammo and go practice.

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>>32990572
>no fun allowed

>>32990572
>implying he is going to use his ammo for 'IRL combat'

He probably already has enough to defend himself if he need to.

>>32975022
looks a bit like a polish szabla

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>>32990243
Nah this is the better question.

I've always been a fan of the XVIIIe but I rather own a XVII... Considering though the XIIa and XIIIa are much better at cutting and more versatile for unarmored... if you happen to find your self fighting to the death with swords for some reason.

>>32991326
XIV a best

>>32990572

Tell me all about this IRL combat you need to practice for

>>32990243
34
>>32991326
XXa

>>32988975
>Montfort divided his army into three squadrons, and then led them across the Garonne to meet the Aragonese forces. Peter's ally and brother-in-law, Count Raymond, advised a defensive posture in order to weaken the advancing enemy with bowshot and javelins. Peter rejected this suggestion as unknightly and dishonorable. King Peter rode to the front line, forsaking his royal armour for the plain armour of a common soldier. His army was disorderly and confused. When Montfort's first squadron charged the field, the Aragonese cavalry was crushed and Peter himself was unhorsed. He cried out, "I am the king!" but was killed regardless. With the realization that their king had been killed, the Aragonese forces broke in panic and fled, pursued by Montfort's Crusaders.
>unequip royal armor
for what purpose?

>>32990243
41 and a sausage shield

>>32974935
>Look at that beautiful ebony god, thick and long.
with extra ribs for increased pleasure.
holy shit my sides

>>32975397
... no. A disproportionate amount of the people going on the Crusades, 'marching under the cross' if you like, were noblemen. These were armed pilgrimages after all. For the first Crusade, the figure I recall hearing was something like 150,000 made it to Constantinople, and of those about just shy of 1/3 were combatants. Your combatants were a mix of levies, men at arms, and mounted knights which actually skewed toward the wealthier fighters. Hypothesis DISCARDED.

>>32975196
Bombasts, culverins, and early mortars started to replace siege engines as of the 14th century, and once stable and plentiful supplies of nitre, charcoal, and sulfur could be had, the siege machines were phased out basically by the 1400s. Bows stood their ground until the 1500s with matchlocks. You also had lighter field artillery coming out around the time of matchlocks. It was really the first artillery that could be used reliably as direct fire, whereas for the first phase of its development artillery was too heavy and slow, basically, so indirect fire was better suited.

Also, bayonets replaced pikes. They did not replace swords. That's why once the plug bayonet came out, pike and shot formations were gone and everyone started moving to line formations. Yet even through this period, basically right up until 1870ish-1880ish, they were using cavalry sabers even if they saw diminished use over time.

>>32991326
>XVII
I'd say it's more practical for unarmored. They don't cut as well as dedicated heavy cutters, but much more importantly they're long and fast. As long as you can get one strike in to give the opponent pause, you can follow up with a better one and it's pretty much over at that point. I'd take it over a XIIIa any day.

>>32990045
whiteman katana

>>32991326
is this autism?

>>32989382
Thursday problem with these thoughts is that, excluding the cost of the actual antique, the amount of money you'd need to put into a sword to make it look good as new in a way that wouldn't ruin it's appearance would cost so much more than taking that sword to one of the renowned smiths, and asking them to make you a 1 to 1 copy of that sword. You're buying a sword for 10's of thousands, putting another 6-8 thousand into it, to come out with a sword that's worse than a modern day $850-1200 Albion

Excluding standard issue 20th century military swords which were so heavily mass produced that you can find them for sale for $300-400 easily, to the point where some very well respected hema instructors advocate using those antiques for sparring after cleaning them up and making them safe (rounding the edge, rolling the tip)

>>32988610
>that knife
dick status: muh

>>32993468
literally a shaft a 2 balls

>>32972478

I like the leaf shaped Celtic swords; they're like an oversized Gladius.

Or an Estoc.

>>32992894

Not really

Someone had to compile the various pommel, blade and hilt designs from historic pieces.

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>>32972478
That is nice and all, but it really doesn't capture the full destructive potential that nature can give you.

>>32993671

>he still hasn't figured out that stick + stone + fiber = stoneaxe, WMD.

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>>32992894
Yeah it's a typology, not autism. There's also a Medieval European single edge one, the Elmsile Typology of falchions and messers. It's relatively new compared to the Oakshott Typology.

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>>32993468
>>32993547
Nah that's the bolloc dagger you two are thinking of.

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>>32993686
Yep, I could never figure out why one would add all those additional failure points to such a powerful weapon system, that has proven to the the best WMD ever.

Because honestly anything you add just dilutes the rock's destructive potential.

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>>32972478
African

>>32978668
Ur a fagt

anyone looking for extremely well decorated swords should check out this link. Would never buy one, but they're great wank material

>http://templ.net/english/weapons-middle_age_and_modern_age.php

>>32992894
No it's Oakeshott you uneducated fucking serf

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>>32972478
I've always been big on cavalry sabres.
Perhaps not incredibly effective in traditional sword combat but they look sexy as fuck.
>Tfw you will never dice kebab with your NCO Sabre.
Why live?

>>32992894
>>32993703

its a sort of autism... and I say that as a historian who's worked on those sort of things.

We need to understand what these objects are as archaeologists and historians. and the only way to really define those is by creating typologies. Its not exclusive to swords - there's typolgies of pottery, roman glass, textile weaving, all sorts of stuff. in 1000 years time there might be typologies of the rifles and cars we use today.

The problem is, we cant use names. lets use oakeshotts' sword typology. its 1100. the knight asks for "his sword". and he gets a type Xa. in 1450, the knights great-great(skip a bit brother maynard) great-grandson asks for "his sword", and its a totally different thing, and XVIII. So we need to use terms that are defined, so we can study them while being clear on what we're talking about.

Otherwise, we're constantly reinventing the wheel, defining what we're talking about. we can compare the type 1 loom weights found in pit A, with the Type 3 weights in pit B, and compared those type 3's with ones in a dig on the other side of the country, and we can conclude they're the same type, same fashion, probably the same date.

that's why typologies are made - to be able to easily classify, and codify items which often exist for centuries.

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>>32994864
Ctd -

So, if by "autism" you mean, a need or desire to put things into neatly ordered boxes, then yes. its is a sort of autism.

its the need to be able to group similar types, link them, identify them by that, and most importantly, be able to convey those groups to a colleague or anothe person, be it face-to-face, or over the internet.

of course, if you think "autism" is just "stop being interested in things I dont like" then, well, no, then that's just you being a dickhead.


(edit: helps if you remember to press "post" doesnt it? Duh.)

>>32975022
Is that a KATANA?

>>32978617
Because you can drag it.

>>32980849

>mfw the filthy yankee that gets the basket to his fucking teeth whines about "YOU DONT USE THE BASKET FOR THAT"
>my boner exploding forth sweeps the field of the foe with no further use of my sword

Seriously, i'm not sure I would rather take the hit from the basket than a pair of actual brass knuckles. It will really goddamn hurt.

Sides, the other hand is for your pistol, you cretin.

>>32981969
I also got a Kriegschwert coming in within the next couple of weeks.

>>32993703
Why were medieval krauts so much into curved single-edged weapons?

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>>32995321
no more than the rest of central europe - the curved messers can be found in Hungary, Czech Republic, Austria, Poland, Estonia, Sweden. There's even a couple found in Iceland.

curved swords work for cutting. doesnt matter if its cutting in india, or japan, or germany. physics are the same.

there are popular cultural elements, but that's local fashion, as much as it is mechanical elements.

and a *LOT* of single-edged swords are straight, not curvy.

>>32976413
> See this test with an admittedly dull blade? That invalidates your point.

You are a fool.

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>>32996809
Congrats for not watching more than 1 minute of the video before coming to your conclusion. He clearly states on later swords that they are properly sharp, he even uses a few Albions in this video. More so he had varying levels of damage, some of the cuts were successful, and would have been likely lethal. But the point is that in an actual fight were you likely are not going to be able to get in a really hard slash, a gambeson can be very effective to help stop slashes.

I never said this video single handedly proves anything other than it's not such a clear cut case like the video I was responding to was implying.

More so the first video did not bother to set any parameters. They did not mention the quality or historical accuracy of the gambeson, nor did they mention if the sword was at a realistic sharpness level, nor if it is balanced like a historical sword would be.

>>32996964
>He thinks his swords are properly sharp
fixed

>>32991326
18b is the best and most aesthetic and the most does-everything, including being of a handy size that is not overly long. Prove me wrong.

>>32997012
Your evidence to suggest his swords are not properly sharp? Do you know any thing about this guy?

He is the most popular sword review/general channel on YouTube. He uses a work sharp for his sharpening, and confesses to liking his swords a bit sharper than they were probably kept in historical times, since his sharp swords don't need to worry about clashing with other blades so can have more delicate edges. He is a HEMA practitioner.

tl;dr He has exclaimed while reviewing a few ALBIONS (the gold standard of modern swords) that they could have come a bit sharper.

>>32978522
>Wheel pommel
>Straight rectangular cross-guard
>half fuller
>DOUBLE-HANDED

Oh, I am in love.

>>32987852
Those are straight fucking sexy, man.

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>>32998824
Well get ready to give up your first born... It's an Albion Steward (if I'm not mistaken)... ONLY $1,016 for the base model. Oh and if you don't have a child yet, no worries, because Albions typically come with a 9ish month waiting period as well.

https://www.albion-swords.com/swords/albion/nextgen/sword-medieval-steward-xiiia3.htm

>>32998824
>Wheel pommel
Pleb-tier. Scent stopper is the patrician's choice.

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>>32998966
Well really it comes down to personal aesthetic desire when talking about buying a sword. Even though I agree, and I bought a sword with a T4 pommel, pic related.

>>32975022
Eastern European saber, possibly Polish.

>>32998892
It's actually the Crecy.

I kind of want a nodachi

I don't know why, but suddenly I just do

>>32998824
scent stopper pommel >> wheel pommel >> that irish see through bullshit pommel

>>32998892
for all you albion owners, how do you deal with the lack of sheath/scabbard?

Do you just hang your 1000+ dollar sword on the wall and let the humidity set in? wrap it in oil paper? keep it in a gun box, keep it in the original box?

>>33000977
>Implying anyone on /k/ owns an Albion
Like any other carbon steel thing, keep it coated in oil or some other protection like renaissance wax.

Often times you don't even want to store swords in scabbards because the organic material tends to trap moisture which can rust your sword faster.

Also if you do want one, you could commission a scabbard, due to how precise Albion makes them, there are several makers who can make a scabbard that perfectly fits your sword without even having your sword

>>33001001
>Also if you do want one, you could commission a scabbard

well, if implying anyone on /k/ owns an Albion is a stretch, implying anyone here would drop another 5000 to get a scabbard is a farther stretch

but thanks for the info, the main reason I've been holding back from an albion is their lack of scabbard.

>>33001001
>Implying anyone on /k/ owns an Albion
$800-$1,200 or whatever isn't even a lot of money. Loads of /k/ommandos have rifles that cost that much, I'm sure there's a swordfag somewhere who has stuff that's better than $200 chinkshit.

>>32976413

Gamberson only really works against straight swords hitting along the midsection (they bounce back); hitting with the tip (top 1/4) of the sword will penetrate just fine.

Curved swords do fine against such with a middle of the blade hit, as the blade slices across the padding rather than bounces back.

>>32975022
Mamluk sabre my man

>>32975022

What is the furthest one on the right?

>>33001259
basket hilt broadsword

nice too

>>32972478
wow, we're actually having a civilized and respectful thread on /k/ discussing swords

never thought it could happen back in 2016

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>>32972478
Which one?

>>33001404
blade: xvia
pommel: v2
guard: 12

>>32974880
>wade through a bunch of starving serfs with pikes

are you actually implying that pikes were useless?
in formation pikes and halberds were fucking lethal and hard to break.

they are no where near comparable to shovels, you could even argue a pike due to its size was more expensive than a spear and so was not given out willy nilly.

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>>33000977
Yeah I don't own one. But it's one of the reasons I'm not considering one. I've got a Valiant Armory on the way, for $650 one of the big selling points is that it has a sheath.

I'm next considering Lockwood, they are around Albion price, but with sheath.

If I were to get an Albion, I would not bother, just keep it in a large Pelican because that's a lot cheaper than having a proper sheath made.

>>33001093

I own a greatsword and rapier from Regenyei and I have two longswords on the way from him in march

>>33001259
A backsword with a non-generic blade shape. Never noticed until it was pointed out, they are usually more like one-sided versions of older medieval blades.

Actually that cutout back of the blade makes it appears to be a messer blade that has been mated to a side sword hilt.

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Kriegsmesser

>>33001259
Its blade looks like that of a messer however the handle is somewhat different so it may be a basket hilted broadsword or may be some variant of a Messer

>>33001259
>>33002128
>>33001870
>>33001280

it's a Swiss saber ya dinguses

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>>33001851
>Lockwood
Just looked them up, they look great.

>>32995101

Yeah

All sword geeks have at least 1 in their collections

I have 3 in addition to several Euro swords.

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>>32972478

Best sword coming through

>>33002348
Yeah so far I've not seen any major criticism against them, then again there is not that many reviews on them.

>>33002595
gay as the wielder's costume

>>33002673

They were the only real effective sword when good armor was common.

>>33001863
How are Regenyei's greatswords?
I have a blunt longsword and arming sword from him for HEMA and they handle great

>>33002690
just get a gun nigga

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>>32976060

>>33003471
I don't know, but good luck getting one. I've been on the wait list for over a year now. Their feders are great though, I like mine more than my Ensifer

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>>33001874
already been posted broseph
>>32990045

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>>32974935
>Look at that beautiful ebony god, thick and long.
>with extra ribs for increased pleasure.
Holy shit, anon.

>>33001851
>>33002348
Just checked out lockwood, looks like it's a 900 dollar sword with an option for a 500 dollar sheath

One of their swords of KoA looks strikingly like the VA Rhienlander but it's going for 1400 bundled with sheath. The difference being it's made in USA and uses a different grade of steel.

And I think the difference between Lockwood and Albion is Lockwood is just one guy making it by hand, and Albion makes them with machines and laser. Price wise they're the same but Lockwood would have a sheath more readily available.

VA seems more and more to be a suitable choice DESU

>>33003471

Extremely well made. I found I do have to be vigilant on oiling it, though. Most of it is exposed metal and not wearing gloves has surface rust start within a few days.

which sword would modern infantry would use if there where no guns (or armor) today ?
>inb4 sabre
the sabre is too large and is to be used on horseback for full effect.

i think pic related is good choice, the other good choice would be the cutllass.

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>>33004823
forgot pic.

>>33004823
>the sabre is too large and is to be used on horseback for full effect.
You are aware infantry sabres are a thing right?

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>>33004593
Yeah the VA Rhinelander is what I have on order.

Lockwood uses stock removal like Albion, but has an operation like VA where it is really just one guy and an assistant or two, and you can typically get the sword and a sheath together for around $1100-$1300.

Lockwood probably has about the same level quality leather work as VA, but the blades are better with attention to detail, at lest the general consensus I hear.

It maybe a few years before I get another full sword, but I kind of feel I would end up getting an Albion Doge (if still in production) and just not get a sheath, a Pelican case would be fine.

>>33004823
I would say the greatsword. It was fantastic for breaking pike formations (not actually breaking pikes themselves, but redirecting them and using them to guide the sword into the pikeman) and then easily used as their own pike formation with a quick change of grip, rendering the meta of warfare of bringing an even longer pike formation into battle completely useless.

Unfortunately, the greatsword came in as guns were becoming widely adopted in formations, making their popularity short lived as pikes were dropped in favour of rifles.

Since the tactical longswod is gone forever, should I just get a tinker practical? Seems popular.

>>32996809

> See this test with an admittedly shitty gambeson? That completely proves my point.

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>>33004947
What Tactical Longsword? Many brands make/made modernized longswords.

The Tinker Longsword is good yes. I plan on getting one eventually, even though I have a higher end longsword on order now. I would have said a Valiant Armoury A-trim long sword, for $330ish you are getting a lot more quality. But I think he just stopped taking orders for them. Also look at Ronin Katana's European swords, they are roughly finished, but really well assembled and durable.

>>33005031
KoA has tinkers for 220.

The other one I was referring to is the VA Zombie Slayer, my bad.

>>33005061
I guess you missed it, they were available back in december/january

>>33005091
Oh yeah sorry, you just missed it. I noticed it come up like a week after I ordered my Rhinelander and it seemed to of went away a few weeks ago, along with the A-trim line, which makes me sad because I was considering the I-beam

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>>32987763
>a stick with a string attached is more aesthetic
>European swords were cheaply made
>longswords crushed armour
>longswords not used in duels
>peasants used longswords
Lmao please tell me this is b8. I refuse to believe someone can be this retarded

>>33004695
Nice, I might get one
Anyone know about how Regenyei sharps handle?

>>33005531

The one I have is sharp. I have no idea how his blunts handle.

>>33005735
Ah sweet, I'm looking at getting a sharp longsword first, then maybe a messer and greatsword.
Also a sidesword

I just want one of everything pretty much.