Out of curiosity; is it really that difficult to build a gun

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>>32964471

>Second video

A 1911 GOING FOR 115$?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

GOOD FUCKING MOTHER FUCKING CHRIST AND IT FIRED PERFECT.

>>32964471

A zip gun is far easier to build because its basic pin shot. But to far and complex for the average non-gunsmith or even metal worker? Hell, you'll get something like the chechens>>32964538
Or a zip gun.

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Homemade weapons thread?
Pic related Gambian Homemade Rifle, kinda clear about the inspiration

>>32964471
>is it really that difficult to build a gun from scratch?
No.

>>32964471
its easy to make a gun. it's hard to make a great gun.

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>>32964471
if illiterate Chinese peasants could do it with hand tools in the early have of the 20th, than yes it is , given things like the internet and power tools

Guns are piss easy. It's just a matter of how nice of a gun you want.

Ammo is a little harder.

>>32964538
>>32964471

> 1911 going for 115

Is Philippines considered a /k/ountry?

Those shed made guns are nice. Honestly, we need to get rid of regulations regarding gun manufacture here in the states.

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>>32965035

>YFW somewhere in some backwoods theres a technologically advanced redneck 3D printing guns somewhere.

>>32964471

they make backyard AK47s in pakistan

making something that shoots is easy. making something that shoots repeatedly,accurately, with longevity is hard.

>>32964538
>>32964988
>ITT: Children who do not know where cheapass 1911 knockoffs come from.

>>32964471
Beware of jump-cuts and "here's an example I made earlier" when it comes to those Flip docos.

>>32965929

is that the rp9 gen 2

>>32965952
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2y2SL54M-Q

>>32965929
>>32966003
http://www.weaponeer.net/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=20491&PN=2

>>32964471
>is it really that difficult to build a gun from scratch?
It depends on the gun and what equipment you have. Those groups of people in less developed areas that make guns tend to have well equipped machine shops that are way beyond what most people in the US with an interest in building guns have.

What I don't understand is the lack of semi copies of the grease gun, Mp40 and all other cheaply made 9mm copies of smgs.

Why?

Why can't anyone make a 200 dollar Grease Gun for the civilian market?

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>>32966166
Im workin on it. But desu adjusted for inflation youd have to do $250, which is the bare minimum cost to manufacture, smaller scale manufacture drives price up to around 300.

I think I can sell these for 400 and manage to make profit. I gotta lot of work to do still tho.

>>32964988
>.45 acp invented to kill Filipino insurgents
>pinoys start making them in their backyard
Pottery

>>32966180
>vertical magazine on a sten
absolutelydisgusting.jpg

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>>32966212
>Doesnt know what a MP 3008 is.

In all fairness its a pretty obscure gun. The volksstrurm made a ripoff of the sten in the later days of WW2 with a vertical magazine.

>>32966221
So not only is it absolutely disgusting, it's also literally Hitler.

>>32966228
Now youre just being obtuse.

You wanna build better shit? Be my guest.

>>32966189

Ironic too

has mr. pepe guy given up, or is he still plugging away at his pipes?

>>32966362
>is he still plugging away at his pipes?
Pretty sure the only thing he was plugging away at was napkin doodles and dragon dildos.

I think I just figured out how to improvise RPGs, does that count?
they probably won't have anti-tank capabilities, but they should still be able to explode

>>32966213

What the help is that?

k

>>32966166
>What I don't understand is the lack of semi copies of the grease gun, Mp40 and all other cheaply made 9mm copies of smgs.
Have you just not looked? Valkyrie Arms produces a semi auto M3 Grease Gun and GSG is working on a semit auto MP40.

>Why can't anyone make a 200 dollar Grease Gun for the civilian market?
They aren't going to be that cheap, especially not in low production quantities. Keep in mind that Hi Point carbines cost more than that and they make heavy use of molded plastic for the frame and zamak castings in place of parts that would need a lot of machining like the bolt.

http://www.valkyriearms.com/m3a1.html

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>>32966166
>Why can't anyone make a 200 dollar Grease Gun for the civilian market?

I share the same sentiment. Even upwards of 250- 300 would be amazing. Something about it is just.... so sexy.

>>32967963
See: >>32967893

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>>32966381
I wonder if fireworks with a can full of motor oil/petrol fitted to the front would work for anti-personnel?
are there any readily available chemicals that could be made into thermobaric war-heads?

>>32967974
>Goy, a 1500$ grease gun is available! Why are you complaining?

Nigga, that's 1200 dollars more than a grease gun should cost.

>>32964538
I'm sorry, there's no goddamn way they made that 1911 in that hut workshop. Where do they get the steel? They had no power tools or machining tools. The idea that 3 guys can file steel into a 1911 is absurd.

>>32968168
>Nigga, that's 1200 dollars more than a grease gun should cost.
And what makes you think it would be able to hit that price point when in limited production and when modern designs that take advantage of more advanced cost cutting techniques just manage to hit your price point. Just because a gun was cheap when produced in large quantities doesn't mean it will be cheap today relative to modern inexpensive designs, especially when only being produced in small quantities.

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>>32968114
>thermobaric warheads
nigger I'm no rocket scientist, I have no idea about that
btw here's my project, launcher and ignition should not be a problem if you manage to get it that far
>inb4 v&

>>32964471
Guns are easy. Cartridges are the hard part.

>>32967974
Yah. I know. That's why they should make them in mass production ya dingus. There's no reason a basic sten tube gun should cost anymore than a hipoint. Now go play.

>>32968448
>That's why they should make them in mass production ya dingus
There needs to be demand for that first, otherwise it's just pissing away money.

>There's no reason a basic sten tube gun should cost anymore than a hipoint.
>gets told why old blowback subgun reproduction aren't cheap
>still insists they should be cheap
Are you retarded?

>>32968478
>earlier refers to hipoint.
>"No demand for a sub $400 PCC."
Wat are you on bruh?

>>32968478
"blowback subgun aren't cheap"
Wtf do you think a hipoint carbine is retard?

>>32968433
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasin_(RPG)

>>32968433
a really basic fuel-air bomb would do, though something that can produce lots of carbon monoxide quickly could be pretty good for clearing rooms.

>>32968513
>>"No demand for a sub $400 PCC."
Except they wouldn't be sub $400. MAC11s are similar when it comes to lowering costs through minimal machining and use of stampings (which are less complex than the stampings the M3 Grease Gun uses with minimal welds between the stamped components while the M3 has more complex welds all over), yet modern MAC11 clones just manage to just hit that $400 price point in pistol form.

>>32968539
>what are modern manufacturing techniques designed to cut costs
I already said why the Hi Point carbine can be produced for less.

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>>32968478
So you're saying that a gun that some bubba can slap together in a shed for less than $200 bucks would be IMPOSSIBLE to mass produce with modern equipment and sell for twice that amount because there's ZERO demand for a cheap reliable PCC?

>>32968433
holy fuck that's horribly unsafe. spend 5 seconds on google and figure out what a fuse looks like.

>>32968623
>why is the pistol 400 den?
>what is market anyways?
>technology makes things harder and more expensive

>>32968600
nice, I didn't know they had a name for those

>>32968637
If you ever get in a situation where you have to use an improvised RPG I don't think safety is going to be your first priority

>>32968626
Some bubba can't make complex stampings like the M3 Grease Gun uses in their shed. Also, you're forgetting about having to pay employees and maintain the necessary tooling, which accounts for a much larger portion of the cost than materials. Not to mention that something built in someone's shed might not be the cheapest option when compared to a design that takes full advantage of todays equipment and techniques.

>>32968681
>technology makes things harder and more expensive
Modern technology makes things easier and cheaper to manufacture, so long as those designs can make use of that technology. Many older gun designs can't be adapted for manufacturing with modern techniques and therefore end up being more expensive relative to modern designs that are built to take advantage of modern cost cutting techniques.

>>32965035
There is literally no law against making a gun in your shed.

>>32965135
Nope, he's probably making tube guns like the OP or a pps43 since parts kits cost around $60 and can be put together functionally for under $200.

>>32966180
"Press A to reload"

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>>32968815
Google is your friend, use it.

>Many older gun designs can't be adapted for manufacturing with modern techniques and therefore end up being more expensive.

I'm calling some fucking hardcore, talking out of your ass, bullshit right there. You're either trolling or full on autist.

It's not that hard to make a simple blowback pistol or subgun if you have a decent setup. Like everything else, you have problems. You have pretty long setup and takedown time for all your tools in the workshop (I'm assuming pretty limited workspace, which is realistic for 80% of dudes). Solid lock breech pistols and any rifle is going to be more of a challenge, as well as if you want to put more finish. Keep in mind that most of these home made guns have shittastic welds and seams, the angles on the cuts are irregular and often fucked up, all sorts of parts are loose or out of spec, and the tolerances are fast and loose.

A really rough looking blowback monstrosity made entirely out of steel and aluminum is not that hard to make. It might not be entirely safe either, and it'll probably take undue time - you're handfitting everything, after all - but it can be done without compromising fit where it matters, i.e. headspacing, a moderately passable lockup, and sear engagement.

>>32966166
Part of what makes the original designs of the Sten, M3, MP40, etc. cheap or simple or whatever is that they're open bolt blowback subguns. When you make it closed bolt, you start having to change the design a decent bit to fit that.

>>32968182
You clearly underestimate the will of people to get shit done. People can do anything with enough time and drive to do it.

>>32968881
Automation can't do everything. Modern designs are made with what's easy and cost effective to do with a CNC machine in mind, while older designs took into account what was used at the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSCk7dKSudU

>>32968729
making it useable would be.

>>32968626
>So you're saying that a gun that some bubba can slap together in a shed for less than $200 bucks would be IMPOSSIBLE to mass produce with modern equipment and sell for twice that amount because there's ZERO demand for a cheap reliable PCC?

Yes, quite likely, because labor costs money. Not to mention overhead. Bubba isn't counting the cost of renting or owning his property, and paying the gas and electricity into the equation.

>>32966221
how bad are the feed problems?

>bumps mag
>JAM

>>32968182
5 a month with 3 people putting in 50hr weeks = 120 man hours per gun. Also talking about guys that have done nothing but this for a living for years.

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>>32969255
this is how an impact grenade is structured, the concept is more or less the same
btw how would you go about making the fuse, I'm genuinely interested

>>32968915
And if someone had a lathe or a CNC machine, it would be even quicker.

>>32965035
You can actually make guns so long as it follows the regulations, both federally and state. You can't sell those guns without a license.

>>32970178
>You can't sell those guns without a license.
When will people stop repeating this bullshit?
You can sell anything you make. You cannot make it for the purpose of sale without a FFL.

>>32968182
>>32968915
>>32970157
I didn't watch the videos in the OP, but a lot of those places like Khyber Pass do have lathes/milling machines, though they're sometimes line shaft driven (all run from a single gas motor that they're connected to with belts due to not having electricity run to all the buildings). I've also seen at least one video of a workshop in a less developed area where there was a more modern CNC machine visible in the background at one point, possibly run off a generator.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_shaft

Got a question here.
From what I understand, break-action shotties are pretty much the easiest guns to build that are still useful, right?
Now, what problems would there be if I wanted a tri-barrel break-action, like the chiappa holy trinity? Making a firing mechanism that alternates between the barrels?

Depends on what you're building and what you have available, tools and materials.

My first gun was a cap gun mechanism, attached to a 1/2 copper pipe, and a wooden stock I made cos I've been wood working since forever. That was when I was in grade 4 or 5.
It fired aluminum tube of sparkler powder, with a cap gun cap as primer. And shot some tiny fraction of a ounce of aluminum and solder.

Currently I'm working on a single shot 410 pistol using a lever breach and hammer fired.

>>32970409
you could probably make 3 trigers, but then there's the problem of where to put the 3rd one

How does one go about forging their own barrels? Half the articles I read about "making your own gun" start with "Buy a barrel of the type you want". I assume cutting rifling is the hardest part.

>>32970235
>You can sell anything you make. You cannot make it for the purpose of sale without a FFL.

Are you arguing against yourself?

>>32970504
By going to a gunsmithing school.

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>>32970409
>From what I understand, break-action shotties are pretty much the easiest guns to build that are still useful, right?
Making the gun part is about as complex as a semi or full auto design in a pistol caliber. They're simpler in that you don't have to worry about the magazine component or potential reliability problems in tuning the feed angle

>Now, what problems would there be if I wanted a tri-barrel break-action
The biggest problem would probably be making a 3 barrel cluster and having them all shoot to relatively the same point and trying not to make the gun overly bulky. The trigger group wouldn't be much of a problem so long as you were either content with using different triggers for each barrel or content with having to re cock it after each shot with a different hammer for each barrel.

>>32970504
You don't. The only time you'll see people actually drilling their own barrels is if the barrel is going to be shorter than 2" or maybe 3" in rare cases, as if you're drilling a hole deeper than that you're going to risk the drill bit wandering. Companies that make gun barrels use specialized drills that are actually called gun drills due to originally being used for making barrels.

>>32970583
There are people who could make a better functioning gun than that over 300 years ago with farm tools.

>>32970442
That sounds fun. Make a thread or post somewhere once you finish. Make pics, and videos if possible, too.

>>32970443
Yeah, I figured there'd be a problem with that. I wonder if one could use the system some machineguns between the world wars had, where pressing a longer trigger higher up would fire a single shot, lower down full auto, or the other way around, with the second mode being one of the barrels.

>>32970531
I think what he means is that you cannot make a living outta making funs without FFL?

>>32970594
>There are people who could make a better functioning gun than that over 300 years ago with farm tools.
No, they didn't. They still had specialized tools for the task. If you want to make a gun barrel like they did then look up the book Foxfire 5, then promptly give up.

>>32970583
Makes sense, thanks. But what you posted looks rather bulky. What am I looking at, anyway? Looks proper post-apocalyptic, though.

>>32970632
>What am I looking at, anyway?
A semi auto .32 ACP "pistol" made with hand tools except for maybe a drill press. It uses Kel Tec p32 magazines and the barrel is just a blank that wasn't turned down at all and was just cut to length.

>>32970660
Oh damn, that's amazing. Gotta love myself some .32ACP. Love shooting it through vz.61. Such a fun little gun. What's the weight and length of that beastie?

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>>32970681
I don't know, I don't think the guy who built it said how much it weighed. Pic related is the bolt, the guy who made it got around problems with machining the bolt by simply making it as several separate pieces and screwing them together. I'm think the firing pin channel was cut with a hacksaw to avoid problems with the drill bit wandering, but that might have been from another person's design who built the bolt in the same way.

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>>32970583
>that monstrosity gun
It's beautiful. I'm saving that picture to masturbate to later.

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>>32964471
It's not that difficult if you're a machinist and have a small shop.

If you're using hand tools the difficulty increases a lot.

Having a guide really makes it easier too.

>>32970100
that's a very simplified version. even in that version it has multiple safeties including a spring cap, two weighted pins, and a final failsafe in the detonator spring.

your design is literally trash. the "safety pin" doesn't even prevent pin movement. the only reason you included a spring on the detonator is because you happened to glance at a schematic without even considering why they included one.

kys

>btw how would you go about making the fuse, I'm genuinely interested
I'm a chemist I'd feel safest with a pyrotechnic arming system with a compressed powder safety mechanism.

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Has anyone made a gun using the professor parabellum guides? I'm think of ways this could be modified to a double barrel. It shouldn't be that hard. I dont like the way the barrel locks with just that modified screw switch thing. I feel like that could break pretty easily when shooting.

>>32970849
That's actually pretty clever I think. Brazing it together might help a bit for the long run, maybe. Thanks for the info. It looks like ass, and it's beautiful.(What he said >>32971050)
I do enjoy usabel, if not optimal, crafts.

This is rather awesome and I want one, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfYLFZV5wMY

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>>32971156
by the way, here's the real deal with an inertia controlled arming system. Quite a bit different in reality.

>>32970621
I never said they didn't, I am just implying somebody 300 years ago made something better with nothing but farm tools.

>>32971176
I would really avoid anything from Professor Parabellum. The guy published a few straight blowback designs without completely understanding how straight blowback works and his bolt designs that were way too light to be safe with the calibers that the gun was designed for, which completely turned me off of all of his works. There is too much other information out there from sources that haven't had problems as blatant as that for me to want to risk anything with his designs.

>>32971156
actually I took the spring from a break action shotgun project and figured it could work to set off a detonator, calm your tits
also
>pyrotechnic arming system
desiretoknowmoreintensifies.png

>>32971621
http://www.passioncompassion1418.com/decouvertes/english_fusees_types.html

As CNC and 3D printing become cheaper you'll start seeing more and more home made guns. There will be nothing stopping you from downloading the designs for a 1911 Colt and starting an automated fabrication. 3 hours later all the parts are in a bin ready for you to assemble.

>>32964471
It's difficult depending on the complexity, availability of tools/supplies and user skill.

A slam bang pipe shotgun? Easy.
Open bolt SMG? Pretty easy but requires either some significant tooling or a LOT of time.
Revolver? Can be done with basic tools but timing it requires a lot of hand-fitting.
Something with locking surfaces that need to be balanced/aligned correctly? Getting pretty tough, great potential for danger. Significant skill required.
Luger? Extremely difficult, but that didn't stop a Gunsmith in San Mateo from building them from scratch. But he is a specialist on the Luger, has all the tools you could need and it still takes a long time.

>>32969563
Depends on what ammo im using, it really likes 147 grain flat nosed rounds, or plain lead 115 grain reloads. round FMJ 155 grain jams a lot.

>>32966189
>>32966268
Absolute cuckoldry

It's like the Japanese and their ceremonial Garands

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>>32972948

>>32971829

Well according to the 2nd video in the OP they spend 12 hours a day working on the guns? So making everything precise comes down to a science since they have templates? Couldn't you base designs off templates or blueprints >>32971709

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>>32966268
>>32972948
Not really ironic or cuckoldric. .45 was invented to kill Moros, Muslim Filipinos. Some of those guns they're making now (which are made by Catholics; Muslims make their guns further south) will probably go on to do the same thing.

>pic related
>the Muslim 'Barrett'

I have a retarded question just for the sake of a madmaxy post-apoc fetish.

Could a large box or drum magazine, top or side-fed (semi)auto shotgun be made in a garage scenario with basic powertools? Reasoning being shotshells are abundant, easy to load with all sorts of bullcrap and don't really need you to be dickin' around with making rifling. For a wall gun in a settlement next to some choke-point, emplaced gun or a drive-by special for a truckbed? Something what is to shotgun like a machinegun is to rifle. I realise it sounds like a terribly impractical weapon, but hey, I like silly things. Maybe even belt-fed?

I've seen some belt-fed autoshotguns done, but I have no idea of a background of those.

>>32978475
No.

ITT: Everyone is pissed off because the filthy fucking ATF won't allow open bolt semi-autos and short barrels.

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>>32978475
Yes, look into slam fire shotguns and let your imagination go from there. Or look up more info on building semi-shotguns. I imagine you could pretty much build a giant fucking 12ga sten. Anybody else just get an erection?

>>32978634
Are you not?

Home made guns are so dumb.
All you need is a metal pipe that won't explode, and people put together the least functional looking blocks of metal together possible to do it. Why you'd want some ghetto ass home made piece of junk that's more likely to injure you than anything without any real or proper machines and not trying to make something with some planned out measurements is fucking crazy and dumb it makes the cheapest made saturday night special weapons made out of crap material look extremely professional in comparison. I can't believe people that wouldn't want to buy a saturday night special are enamored with a slamfire pipe gun like wtf

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>>32978657
>full giggle 12ga STEN

>>32978657
>Are you not?

I am also ITT so yes, I am.

>>32966189
wasn't .38 special also invented for flip killing too?

yeah pinoys are /k/

>>32966213
>>32965929

This is what a good idea looks like.

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>>32978657
>>32978681
Oh, yes! Full retard 12ga STEN does sound rather cool.
...
But can we go bigger?

>>32978673
IDK if your mom just never loved you or something, but things CAN work that you design yourself. Not everything that works is a patented diy kit you can buy for $19.99 plus S&H. Physics makes it true that certain things will happen when a specific set of circumstances come together (ie, cartridge is contained in a proper chamber and barrel and the rest of the parts function to make a gun) This is why I'm embarrassed to be a millennial. I bet you can't even change a fucking tire yourself.

>>32968182
As somebody who runs a fucking machine shop, this. There's no way in hell they made those slides or barrels, and it's highly unlikely they're able to file frames from scratch.

What's likely happening is that they're stealing and/or being sold blemished/unfinished parts from a local arms company like Armscor and hand-fitting everything together, like people who build 1911's here in the US do.

>>32978728
40mm sten the size of a small automibile?

>>32968881
He's literally right though you fucking mong. Why do you think revolvers and 1911's are more expensive than more modern handguns?

>>32968114
>are there any readily available chemicals that could be made into thermobaric war-heads?
Magnesium powder isn't too expensive. I'm only speculating, but if you want to make a bomb with it you should probably pack it around a conventional high explosive charge but have a lot of tiny air channels in the powder so the gasses from the explosion can heat it up instantly

>>32970504
You don't nigger. Smokeless propellant, barrels, and magazines are the bane of resistance movement gun manufacturer's existence.

>>32978728
full giggle, belt-fed 12ga STEN with dragon breath shells?
if we're talking about small arms, at least

This thread is terrible

>>32966189
>this fucking meme
.45 acp was developed way, way after the Philippines. The military DID publish the .45 caliber requirement when they were looking to adopt a semi-auto because it worked well in the phillipines though it wasn't actually used in the war.
https://youtu.be/ZCi4EIdfT9A

>>32978744
Fuddlore and prestige. They're made by some of the biggest companies in firearms that have been making them since the beginning. they've got the most cost efficient tooling figured out by now, senpai.

>>32978657
>giant fucking 12ga sten
Have fun with your 9 pound bolt.

http://www.orions-hammer.com/blowback/

>>32978736
>, but things CAN work that you design yourself.

>>32966213
>your parents didn't love you my wooden receiver works just fine with semi automatic slide recoil i can't believe you fags wasted all that money and bought a glocknade

>>32968433
>pull safety pin, launch rocket
>reaction forces drive firing pin right into primer.
>(this kills the operator)
I dub it the "Newtons Extra Chromosome Remover"

>>32978818
if you make it so the spring is compressed, you deserve it

>>32968182

This guy is right.

>>32969619
>>32968915

You two are gullible.

Look at the machine work on them, the pins, the different textures, the logos, the complete lack of flaws. Unless they have a CNC shop behind that hut, they didn't do any of that. I mean, when you started seeing the grips made of various materials, did you assume they molded plastic using ancient filipino casting technology? lol

>>32978759
Not really small arms, per se. I was thinking a mounted gun, on battlements or a truckbed. But hey, 12ga sten is ridiculous and awesome idea. Someone call breeki_bro!

>>32978860
if he really does it I need a video of that fun in action, I'm already getting a boner

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>>32964471

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfvJtjbY9TM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQlyitOGDUg

>>32967963
That niche is pretty much filled by the Hipoint carbine. People who want a cheap way to spray 9mm everywhere just get that.

I own one, it's not bad at all. No, it's not sexy, but it's reliable as shit.

>>32979190
>youtube.com/watch?v=uQlyitOGDUg
>*sent from my IPhone
Cringe.

>>32964471
Relevant question: What all goes into the price of legal gun manufacture? Why don't we see cheaper low-end guns?

Even Hipoints and Jimenez's cost like $150. I understand that quality control has to be tight (relative to other industries anyway) but the parts cost for the steel and plastic can't be that much, and there can't be all that much labor involved...

How much of the cost is taxes and compliance with regulatory bullshit?

>>32979328
>I own one
Was it made privately or by a shop?

I've never understood why people make cars in their back yards, but guns all end up like trash

granted you need some serious skills somewhere in the pipeline, but when correctly recorded it would be possible to make a gun a monkey would builld

part of the problems seems to be
1. design made without consideration of the tools/skillset of the manufacturer
2. no ingenuity in re-purposing generic civilian parts
3. an assumption that a complex design means a complex manufacture
4. plans that don't include notes on process, testing and standards
5. a fixation with trying to replicate what is common, or outdated

your average person can buy high grade steel over the counter, people make cars, swords, rockets at home; guns shouldn't be such a struggle

>>32972948

>Filipinos copy American weapons
>Chinese copy Russian weapons
>Japanese base something off another

It's poetry among Asian thievery

>>32979366
The few actual scratch-built cars I've seen have looked pretty trashy too, to be honest.

People fix cars in their backyard, or put together kit cars, but people generally don't actually make cars.

>>32979366
Idk. Most of thise cars are kits. Also junk yards have parts. I guess if there were huge scrap yards full of gun parts people would fabricate nicer zip guns.

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>>32966180
shhhheeeeeeiiittt
I better get back to work on my mosin project...

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>>32964471

>>32964471
Depends on the model. I had a helleva time with those hinge pins on an AR-15.

>>32979456
More?

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>>32978848
Christ dude, you're a fucking idiot.

The world has been making guns of the same quality with simple milling machinery for a good solid century before CNC was even a thing.

Flaws are just something you polish out with a file and logos/numbering are things you use a decal for.

>>32979630
They didn't have any mills either, to be fair. If you watch the video critically, you realise that there was no footage of them actually making anything, only assembling parts, and they mention techniques like welding even though they don't have a welder. The quality of the revolver is also a lot rougher than the 1911s.

My guess is, someone else makes the rough 1911 parts, and they do the finishing. The buyer also mentions that someone else does the bluing and then he fits the handles and finishes the product off. This jungle workshop would therefore be only completing one step in a larger manufacturing chain.

My guess is, they probably did originally make it all themselves, until they went all Henry Ford because of the better profits available relatively recently as the American market opened up to the local industry.

I'm also guessing they weren't dumb enough to take some extremely conspicuous-looking white foreigners with thousands of dollars worth of television production gear to their actual workshop, when there are police everywhere and their neighbours want to get them in trouble, because protecting their livelihood is probably a good idea.

>>32968433
Why not put firing pin in the rear so when the warhead comes in to contact with a hard surface the force will send the firing pin forward?

>>32980049
that's an option too
I need to find a way to test the designs without getting arrested to see if they work though

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>>32978797
According to this guy's spreadsheet, a 20ga would have to have a 5.5lb bolt, that's almost managable. I plugged in values for 28ga and it falls around 3.7lbs. He doesn't list it on that site but his spreadsheet works a 410 out to only needing a 2.8lb bolt. That's really only double the necessary weight of a 9mm bolt. Either of those seem doable to me. That'd be some crazy fun shit in open bolt full auto (especially since pressures are a little lessened so less weight is needed.

I'd be interested to make a steel pipe semi sten in 410, that'd be the bee's tits. Anyways, that's a fucking really good link; thanks bro.

I did remember seeing a post of some Luty-Esque rifle using old 7.62x39mm steel casings that had new bullets in them and used .22 nailgun blanks as both the primer and propellant.

That's the thing. Scrap weapon. Yes. Scrap ammo... now that's the hard part.

>>32980131
either base the gun on shotgun shells or rig a nailgun to accept improvised flechettes (literally just glue a paper cone on the back of the nail)
if you have access to a furnace and can into casting then knockoff conventional ammo is a possibility

>>32979399
Flip here. I should really get off my arse and start to properly draw part of designs and send them to Armscor.

Hey, they might bite...

>>32979366
Some enterprising shops here churn out locally made vehicles powered by Isuzu truck engines, capable of carrying 21 people at (relatively) break-neck speeds of 120 kph. Without seat belts.

They are known as "uso-uso"(pimped-out/cool in the local slang) jeepneys. Riced-out sheet metal creations.

They used to steal/hog the other lane too, but two tragic accidents later, they just stuck to overspeeding.

>>32966166
>Why can't anyone make a 200 dollar Grease Gun for the civilian market?

Because there's no reason to give shit away to cheapfags. If YOU want a cheap gun then YOU invest the time and money and YOU build the motherfucker instead of sitting there with a gibsmedat attitude!

If 400 bucks hurts your toy budget you need to fix your life.

If want cheapguns, go take a machine shop course while studying examples of home machine shops, then build yourself a home machine shop instead of buying safe queens for the same money. You can do more with the shop and build it gradually.

A couple thousand bucks will get you a legit industrial knee mill and some tooling. You can run that off single phase using a VFD. A couple thousand more will get you a lathe, but I've gotten them for as little as 350 bucks at auction because people aren't prepared to haul the heavy ones.

You can have a pretty gud machine shop for the cost of a couple of SCARs.

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>>32980102

The charts also lists everything double to three times heavier than really needed.

Here's a closed bolt 9mm rifle which uses a 0.76 lbs bolt (340 gram rather than 770 grams as the chart says you need with a closed bolt). You can go lighter with pistol sized pistol barrels and even lighter with smoothbore barrels without any case head seperations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB1lsmyOSW0

Bill Holmes made an open bolt 12 gauge full auto shotgun and described how he regually encountered realiability problems with the cases splitting no matter what he tried, so gave up trying to make it commercially. Probably still viable as a range toy however.

>>32970266
Line shaft driven equipment was industry standard in 1911. Classic guns were made on classic machinery. Also line shafting is wonderful when you only have one motor or engine to drive your shop. That shit is very, very practical.

>>32980428
>dat pic

Floro 9mm SMG.
Didn't see a lot of contracts, looks like shit too.

>>32978475
Milling machines and lathes will exist after an apocalypse as will generators and fuel. Machinists and mechanics can easily return to business because we know how and there would be massive abundance of machinery and tools and scrap.

Take a machining class. Take a machining class. Take a machining class. It will change how you think and what you can do for the rest of your life and convey a profound understanding of metal.

>>32979354
>Why don't we see cheaper low-end guns?

Because it's retarded to throw away profit. 150 is disposably cheap.

>>32980411
This needs to be copypasta for this type of thread

>>32970531
No, he's not.

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>>32979526
>solid wood gun with metal internals and barrel
thats some crunchy-granola shit right there

>>32980774
The dude got off three shots before it rendered itself inoperable. He named it the Pine ABORTION

>>32965135
Nah, 3d printing won't give you materials strong enough to make something interesting.

The thing it may allow form is easy production of forms for stamping(ofc. I'm talking metal 3d printing, not plastic) which opens up your options a little bit.

>>32966166
Aren't there some regulations regarding production of open-bolt guns?

>>32980774
There is literally nothing wrong with granola. It's a delicious snack.

>>32966180
>A button
kek

>>32980986
I meant to link to the thread http://www.weaponeer.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8035&PN=1&TPN=2

>>32980471
Eh, I want to get into machining eventually, but I know metal from forging, so I know my way around cutty stabby stuff. Shooty things are little beyond me.

But hey. I never doubted that lathes and mills won't be there. It's just that I wondered if it could be done without them, and instead, with some elbow grease, drills, angle grinders, dremels, files and possibly hammers.

>>32980309
>Arnscor

Nigga it's yo birthright

>>32980986
>He named it the Pine ABORTION
Should've named it Pine Arbortion.

Two puns for the price of one!

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>>32979403
>>32979405
fair comment, but I think the point still stands

the number of dead simple working designs, there is far too much mucking around

slam fire shotguns
multi cylinder shotguns are often hideously unsafe, but I've seen some that work
break action shotguns
I've seen .22's built inside tiny flashlight tubes
.22 blowback handguns made basically from pipe
large caliber single shot rifles that work with an interrupted thread (like a tank barrel) , some with a basic bolt. they are used all over syria

If it was me I'd start with revolvers, very few parts, very few tools, practice rifling, could take medium caliber rounds wit the right steel

I want to see less reliance on welding, though it requires few tools it's very hard to weld correctly and to a high standard.

I want to see designs that utilize non-serialized parts like magazines, for those who don't live in nanny states
that nosuchthing guy on youtube gets it and he's only 12

why are there a thousand shitty suppressor designs on the net
there are only a few working commercial designs that arn't gimmicks
someone with the right paperwork needs to make all the shitty suppressors on after another and give one an authoritative backing
suppressors should be cheap as shit, if you have the paperwork for one you shouldn't have to pay through the nose to buy one

why are there no plans for magazines for commercial firearms, just because some are overpriced and lack non-proprietary manufactures

>>32985516

+1 on suppressors should be cheap as shit. It's a muffler for crying out loud and doesn't have any moving parts. You're really just paying for the material and engineering putting it together the overall design hasn't changed.

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>>32980428

>Knock off tec-9

>>32985516
The good thing about welding is, that a welder can be bought for cheap, whereas milling machines or lathes are much more expensive.

Magazines are a good point, though there are a few plans out there, also not nearly enough on barrels and DIY rifling. Swaging cartridges and making the dies is a good topic I want to see more on too.

Unfortunately, most online stuff is done under the assumption that barrels, magazines, ammo, etc. is just freely available to purchase. That's a terrible assumption to make because of a few reasons, firstly because of simple interest, secondly because outside of America these things can be pretty tightly controlled, thirdly because if you're preppin' for muh UN gun-grabbin' stormtroopeez then they'll become tightly controlled and/or much more valuable in America too.

>>32978769
Fell back on 45 caliber revolvers because good accuracy/reliable with old ammo/auto loader design. Brass hears 45 man stopper and better pistol, gets 1911. I'm OK with this.

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>>32986481
>Brass hears 45 man stopper and better pistol, gets 1911. I'm OK with this.
Yeah me too

>>32971709
That's not how cnc works. You have to prove your workpiece, you have to know exactly how to hold the workpiece, a ton of shot goes Into it

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>>32986235
>Swaging cartridges and making the dies is a good topic I want to see more on too

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>>32986235
you're right that welding equipment is easy to buy/build (pic related)

however getting QUALITY welds is another matter entirely, the risk with welding is that defects arn't always so readily observable, a novice could easily struggle getting the right kind of flux and rods

another thing is stamping/CNC can generate large numbers of identical weapons, greatly reducing fitting times.
imagine an auto shop was tasked with spitting out a thousand extractors, frames and slides between their routine work

>>32964538
Not gunna lie it did look smooth, that's what time and effort gets you. That said it's also probably a little bit loosey goose, the pinoys won't fuck around below mil standard tolerance unless they are cloning a match pistol - even then they'll give it some leeway and pay more attention to the bushing.
It's the reason why RIA's/ATI's/etc run like raped apes

>>32964943
The hardest part is casings

>>32966189
To be fair they were Moros - ie Muslim's

>>32968168
economy of scale is the major reason why the greasegun was so cheap.
Some small garage op churning out stamped greaseguns is not cheap.
A full factory pumping with machinery stamping 100 recievers an hour becomes cheap quickly as long as demand is there

>>32965502
That's because home made guns are murder guns.
Goes bang a few times and only goes out maybe 10 yards if you're lucky.
Its for shooting drugs dealers on bad drug dealer days.

>>32968182
>humans turned steel iron and rock into civilization.
>HURR DURR how day do dat niggah
Fucking tribal.

>>32968729
>let me point a claymore infront of me
This is you.

>>32964471
I have 12ga mines that may or may not ruin the day of someone getting within 1k m of my bunker.

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>>32970442
Show me how to make a sawn off in 12 gauge.
I need it for bandit reason.

>>32980177
He doesn't know how to make a forge and cast/mould.

>>32981134
These fucking granola crunchers in this thread
>he thats our word you cant use it
Fucking granola cruncher.

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>>32989411
>not poonting a claymore in front of you
you can also rig it to explode upon removing the pin and leave it on the ground for ebin lulz

>>32981029
There are 3d printers capable of working with titanium. They're stupid-expensive and out of the range of most gunmakers at the moment, but the tech is there and currently being improved upon.

>>32984600

or the Pine Aboardtion, if you prefer