Obscure weapons thread, starting with Bergmann No. 1 / 1894

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Guycot 40-Shot Chain Pistol

>The Guycot chain pistol was the development of two Frenchmen, Henri Guenot and Paulin Gay in 1879. It is chambered for a unique 6.5mm caseless rocket ball type cartridge in which the base of the projectile is hollowed out and contains the propellant powder and a primer. Upon firing, the entirely of the projectile exits, leaving nothing to be extracted or ejected from the chamber

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Nomar M1911 Magazine-Stock

>In 1936, Lewis Nolan Nomar patented this device, which is basically a large 40-round magazine for the 1911 pistol. He envisioned a military use for the device in trench raiding, giving men a compact weapon with a large capacity. Unfortunately for him, the device was both remarkably (and unnecessarily) heavy and obsolete the day it was patented.

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Mauser C77 Single-Shot Pistol

>The Mauser brothers’ first attempt at a commercial or military handgun was this, the C77 (Construktion 1877) model of single shot pistol. Why a single-shot sidearm in 1877, well into the age of centerfire military revolvers? That is a good question. By the time the design was complete, the Mausers opted (prudently) to not bother submitting it to military trials, as it was clearly already obsolete. However, despite this fact, and a total production of barely a hundred guns, it did apparently develop a small niche reputation as a quite good target pistol.

>The C77 is much more complex than a single shot handgun need be, but this complexity did bring some benefits. It was a falling block type of action. With the easy movement of the thumb from a firing grip, the breech could be dropped and an empty case ejected. When a new cartridge was inserted with the other hand, its rim would trip the ejector and automatically close the breech.

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Bergmann Simplex Pocket Pistols

>The Bergmann 1896 Number 2 pistol was a relatively successful compact pocket gun for its day, but quickly became obsolete as semiautomatic handguns developed and improved. Bergman and his chief engineer Schmeisser spent the late 1890s developing and improved version of the Bergmann automatics, pitting into two distinct lines of development. One was the Number 5 (1897) locked breech pistol for military service, which would evolve into the reasonable successful Model 1910. The other was the Number 6 (circa 1899) which would become the Simplex.

>The Simplex was a compact simple blowback pistol firing a proprietary 8x18mm cartridge slightly less powerful than the .32 ACP. It used a detachable magazine of 5, 8, or 10 rounds and shared the basic aesthetic lines of the 1897 and 1903 Bergmann pistols, albeit smaller and cheaper. However, the Simplex was in direct competition with the FN/Browning 1900, which was a spectacularly successful and popular design. The Bergmann Simplex was unable to effectively, and only about 4000 were made in total before it was dropped form production.

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Confederate Baby LeMat

>One of the rarest models of LeMat grapeshot revolver is this, the “Baby” LeMat. This is a substantially smaller gun than the normal LeMat, although it retains a 9-shot cylinder and a central barrel. In the Baby, however, the cylinder is in .32 caliber (rather than the standard .42) and the central barrel is .41 caliber instead of .63 (and in this specific pistol, the central barrel is rifled, where they are normally smoothbore).

>These Baby LeMat revolvers were made under contract for the Confederate Navy, although production was very slow, and the contract was cancelled when even the first shipment of guns have not been receiver many months after it was scheduled. In total, only 100 of the guns were manufactured, and these were inspected and delivered to a Confederate representative in London shortly after the contract was revoked (the CSA agreed to take those guns which had been finished at that point).

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Frankenau Purse Gun

>Patented in 1876 in both the US and UK as well as Germany, the Frankenau purse gun was a very small 5-shot, 5mm pinfire revolver hidden inside what appeared to be a normal small coin purse. One side of the purse would even open, with several accordion pockets, allowing to to be used for its nominal purpose. The other side contained the revolver, with a hinged plate covering the muzzle and a trigger which would fold up into the body of the case when not in use. Few were sold and most saw a lot of use, making them pretty unusual to find today.

>>32964670
Here's a cartridge firing LeMat

>>32964499
That looks a lot like the stock on that unidentified pistol an anon was posting a few months ago.

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cold war shit is awesome
>The RG019 underwater nail gun was developed in the 1970s to allow Russian divers (Spetsnaz, GRU/KGB…) to fix explosives to steel, wood and concrete.

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Ruger Hawkeye converted to a single-shot swing-open .256 Win Mag

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Garand converted to .458 Win Mag

Where did OP go?

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>>32966715
probably left since nobody else posted. I hope this'll kickstart the thread

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>>32966740

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>>32966742

>>32966700
It even comes in power tool colors!

>>32966742
>fibreglass_shards_in_eyes.jpeg

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ENARM MSM. Hard to find a picture of this that isn't blurry beyond recognition

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PPSh-2. competitor to what became the PPS-43

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>>32964460
Pertinent labels on the picture itself.

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.22 rifle prototype by RJ Braveman for Stinger Corp, the company that made Stinger pen guns

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>>32966742

>In troop tests, soldiers suffered eye injuries when microscopic particles of fiberglass blew back into their eyes.

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The Vörös M1 pistol, holding 34 rounds of 9mm in a helix magazine. Designed in the 90s by a Hungarian inventor, only 60 were ever made.

Best of all, I know a store that sells one for 1000.-

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Ever look at the BHP's trigger mechanism and wonder if Browning was accidentally inhaling solvents in the shop? Well wonder no more! The original BHP design was striker fired which is SO much simpler.

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>>32967011
oh shit that's a great pic that I don't have yet, thanks anon

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for comparison, here is the final revision of the BHP trigger mech. All those bits behind the magazine - the hammer and sear and springs - none of the existed in the original.

>>32967023

No problem, it's what these threads are here for.

Have some folded ammunition, designed in the 70s to cut down on weight and length compared to regular ammo. Here you can see rounds with the same bullet and powder amount as .308 and 5.56mm.
You can just barely make out the primer on the 5.56mm one. Oddly, it's not in line with either the bullet or the combustion chamber.

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>>32967095
derp

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>>32967095
>>32967101

A variation (here in, and compared to regular versions of, 5.56mm) was also designed for a gun with three barrels, but only one chamber.

No guns or magazines were ever designed to use these, mind you. I'm guessing the main issue would've been engineering around the odd shape.

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ALSETEX Cougar MS40
straight-pull 40mm grenade launcher

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Brun-Latrige model 1900. There are different versions, some with ring triggers and some with folding triggers. The trigger feeds/cycles the gun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQvuUKoV7bg

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the Chinese CF-05 submachine gun. The first version could feed from either the helical mag or from a pistol mag (same mag as their issued pistols). Later versions dropped the pistol mag feature and went only with helical mags. Basically China's Calico.

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Last one before I sleep. I'm not Australian I swear, I work night shift

DN34 Handflammpatrone. Mini disposable flamethrower

>>32967011
Get it.

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>>32967011
buy it and post pics wtf r u just standing around for?
posting a webley with bayonet

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>>32964460

British ISTEC ISL-200 underbarreled grenade launcher

>We Half-Life now !

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>>32964499
>>32966088

>>32967210
looks like it was copied from calico but built differently

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The automatic 1911

>>32969724
>set phazers to stun

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>>32964460
Type 100 paratrooper model.

>>32973063
delicious TTsKO

>>32975180
>There are no pistols today that make use of this many stampings
Why? Isn't this vastly superior to milling/casting?

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Metal Storm 3-round 40mm grenade launcher. The recoil makes the energy seem decent. Probably not up to regular 40mm but not bad. Their stacked 12ga was piddly compared to normal 12ga.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFEsxMhrHZs

>>32975537
It doesn't save much work on pistols. Some portions of the slide and frame need to be milled. Since pistols are small it ends up being easier to mill the slide in one piece - especially with modern CNC milling. And the frames are mostly polymer now with only a little metal where needed.

Some pistols that did use stampings: early German SIG P220s used it for the slide, the P320 uses it for most of the fire control group, the Intratec CAT9 (total piece of shit) uses it for the slide. And various pistols use stampings for bits of the fire control group.

It works better on rifles because there are larger pieces that don't have explicit functions besides holding the whole gun together.

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RAW rocket, rifle grenades meet RPG

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SEK PSDR-3, a suppressed S&W 625

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OTs-38, a Russian revolver made for silent captive-piston ammo. The top tube is actually a laser, not the barrel. The gun fires from the bottom cylinder.

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RJ Braverman made some weird shit. This is a folding revolver

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Idaho (or INEEL) Integrated Breeching Shotgun. It's pump forward and gets a lot more barrel for its size than typical underbarrel shotguns

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patent US7634959

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SR-2 Veresk, a gas-operated submachine gun from Russia that we don't see in the west. It's remarkably light for its size at 3.64lb, probably due to the gas operation instead of straight blowback like most others. It shares design details with the SR-3 rifle.

The grips look pretty comfy tbqh. The stock not so much. Cheekwelds seem to be a luxury in Russia.

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last one, VAG-73 tandem magazine pistol

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>>32976137
Same maker as the MTS 255 correct? The pistol version makes me moist, I'd love to get one for slug throwing

>>32966981
>literal wire stock

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>>32976530
literally a bad shoop

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ROCKET
SHOTGUN

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20mm bofors on tripod. About the same dimensions and weight as a lahti gun excepts it's full retard. Famed for being bouncy

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The johnson LMG, arguably the sexiest firearm ever made

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>>32979206
The cut down version is real

>>32979401
Someone bring out the high-capacity clip Garand photo, please.

>>32979409
That would be the first generation FG-42

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The TKB-022PM

>>32979379
what the heck kind of projectile does it fire? that's some frogmen dart stuff

>>32966797
>>32966742
Jesus Christ...I've had fiberglass shards in my asshole before, and NEVER would I wish that pain go anywhere else.

>>32979836
You had to know posting this that people would want to know

>>32979829
It shoots a bunch of 20mm explosive rockets at once. It was inaccurate and terrible.

>>32979836
tell of the tale.

>>32979896
rocket shotgun though

>>32979911
It would perhaps have a niche use for canadian geese eradication with extreme prejudice

>>32979943
>>32979829
>>32979379
Is this the nazis anti-aircraft multibarreled panzerschreck-like dakka thing?

>>32975877
This wouldn't work against slant Armour

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H&K P-11

fun fact: used in 007 nightfire as a tranq dart gun

>>32964460
>bergmann
Oh boy here we go again

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>>32967023
>>32967028
>>32967035

That's the precursor of the Grand Rendement, not the Grand Puissance (High Power).

And the reason why the design is so different is because Browning and Saive were trying to evade a bunch of patents which were Browning's design, but belonged to other companies (like Colt).

As the GP/HP was released later, there was no reason not to use the pre-existing designs as the patents were free by then.

pic unrelated.

>>32964473
That's pretty sweet.

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>>32980517

>>32964576
I think this is something that would be nice to resurect.

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>>32975537
Poland developed almost entirely stamped 9mm Mak handgun in late '70. It's bretty good (for what it is) and in many places is improvement over previous service gun, P64.

It's still hasn't been entirely phased out from army service, but it's mainly due to subpar replacement.

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>>32980533

>>32980758
We metro nao

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Danuvia 39M, a Hungarian SMG used in WW2, chambered in 9x25 Mauser and used a lever delayed blowback mechanism
http://www.forgottenweapons.com/submachine-guns/danuvia-39m/

>>32979379
>not calling it the Schotket Rockgun

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Belgian conversion of the Chauchat to chamber 7.65x53 Mauser

>>32980870

Which is kinda weird considering that the Belgians were a huge fan of the Lewis gun. Which was called the belgian rattle snake due to its distinct sound.

>>32980950
>Which was called the belgian rattle snake
none of these guns with stupid nicknames were actually called that

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>>32980990
>none of these guns with stupid nicknames were actually called that

And that's where you'd be wrong.

>>32967234
>>32967229
So it fires a short burst of flames? Thats kinda nifty

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>>32981578
>So it fires a short burst of flames? Thats kinda nifty

No. They called it a hand flame thrower only because it replaced actual flame throwers though it never fit the same exact role.

It's more of an air burst thing than a flame thrower. You shoot it in the air, above your target. After first making sure the wind is right, or you'll have a bad day.

Officially it was for area denial, destruction of materiel and smoke screens. But it's primarly meant to clear trenches or open air fortifications. But you can't admit to using phosphorous against humans nowadays.

Here's a pic.
The belgian army still has some of these too.

>>32981640
>handheld white phosphorus launcher
even cooler

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>>32981652

If you really wanted to, i guess you could hipfire it like >>32967229 but that seems like a waste.

You could shoot it into a room or bunker (oh lawdy), but hipfiring it in an open space would be a waste.
Hipfiring at a nearby target would make it potentially hazardous with regards to backspash.

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>>32981668

I like the thing, but it's mostly been replaced by 40mm grenades. That kinda makes me sad, since I can think of many awesome uses.

I wonder if they ever made 40mm grenades which have the same effect.

>>32976530
My dick....

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>>32981688

Now that I think about it, its disappearance likely has something to do with safety as well. If WP gets hit by a live round, it has a rather high likelihood of going off.

Imagine having a HAFLA going off in your backpack.

DO NOT WANT.

>>32981688
WP 40mm grenades were created in viet fuckin nam but we're decided to be too dangerous.

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>>32979888
>>32979898
Trips and repeating pairs call forth the tale...

this is a good thread, dont die

Agreed, bump

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>>32979533

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Madsen LAR

>>32966740
>>32966744
that bayonet

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>>32984889
that's not a bayonet

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>>32967113
There were two test bed rifles for the folded ammo project - a modified FAL and M16A1.

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>>32967113
I've got a few of those rounds in my collection, as well.

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>>32964460

>>32984696
Bolt pistol?

>>32980498
thanks for the info, I'll check that out