How would China be able to fight the USA? https://www.youtu

>>32963563

That was the USA Navy video from when they went through the south china sea recently by the way.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFKorQXUAkA

>>32963563
>every deck hand has a fat dip in
>porn 'staches
>goofy female pilot
>I don't know what I expected

>>32963669
Fucking episode IV opening scene.

That really has to be one of the coolest looking ships ever made.

>>32964224

Its fucking huge.

TL;DR They can't

>>32964229
its bigger than I realised

>>32964224
a chick I knew in highschool is a medic on that ship.
i was cruising Normie Book and there she was next to it.

why do they still have people standing out there and giving hand signals in 2016
Why are munitions hand loaded
Is it just for fun and doesn't happen in wartime or is that their full time job?

>>32966312
How the fuck else would it be done?

>>32966346
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3hl-nq3-lU

>>32966312
person speaking has to identify himself before you know who it is telling you the 411

but if you look to your right and see Red Shirtman waving at you, you know you're receiving orders from Red Shirtman

>>32963669

Wtf is that how big the zumwalt is? Makes an Arleigh Burke look tiny

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>>32963669
That image makes the Zumwalt seem way bigger than it actually is

>Trump accepts the One China policy

They won already

>>32963563
They can't.

>>32966456

How Xi destroyed Trump with just plain ignoring him like you do it with an annoying child.

Marvelous.

China cannot begin to match American naval power. It doesn’t have to. They focus on anti-ship missiles – read “carrier-killers” – such as the DF-21. Fast, stealthed, sea-skimming cruise missiles are very cheap compared to carriers and dangerous when arriving in numbers simultaneously. Losing even one supercarrier would drastically reduce US ability to project power and immediately undermine US position as peacekeeper of frozen conflicts in the region. Conventional war against China speaks ghastly global economic consequences. This would not generate allies.

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>>32967116
>this kills the DF-21

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>>32967116
>They focus on anti-ship missiles – read “carrier-killers” – such as the DF-21. Fast, stealthed, sea-skimming cruise missiles are very cheap compared to carriers and dangerous when arriving in numbers simultaneously. Losing even one supercarrier would drastically reduce US ability to project power and immediately undermine US position as peacekeeper of frozen conflicts in the region. Conventional war against China speaks ghastly global economic consequences.

You want "ghastly consequences", economic or otherwise? The official US response to sinking a carrier is still letting fly with nukes. Even China isn't retarded enough to invite armageddon.

>>32967397
>The official US response to sinking a carrier is still letting fly with nukes

lel

>>32967116
>the df-21d has never been fired at a ship, even in testing, despite being in service since 2009 and supposedly having the ability to target using OTH radar since 2013

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China will wait for America to die, rather than do anything. America is like an asshole dad that always orders you around. You keep telling yourself you'll stand up to him one day, but in reality you just wait until he dies,
say some unkind words to his grave and move on.

>>32966456
>>32967074
Trump is cancer killing the USA

>>32967740
this entirely

america's enemies eagerly await the dismantling of the american war machine by enemies within, which is inevitable.

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>>32966433
Zumwalts are pretty big.

>>32967397
>m-m-muh precious carrier
>they w-wouldnt dare

Holy shit americans are completely unprepared for war with major power. Neither technologically, nor mentally

>>32967787

I really hate the fuck that they're only building 3 of those ships. I was kind of hoping that with all the discussion regarding the 350-ship navy we'd maybe get a few more in the budget but it seems like they're just going to accelerate Burke production instead.

>>32967820
>Implying the destruction of an airbase and nuclear plant isn't a massive declaration of war.

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>>32967820
How many packs of ramen noodles can you guys buy with all your amassed 50 cents?

>>32966312
>hand signals
It's loud on the flight deck.
>why not use radios
Live munitions can be set off by RF radiation

>>32967820
The US is prepared for a major war. We've got the best military in the world. Nobody else has carriers like we do or the ability to project power. You would find in the event of a major attack the anger and will would be there.

>>32967820
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>>32966456

There is only one China, and its government is in Taipei

>>32968134
And traditionally part of the reason for a lot of people on a warship is dealing with battle damage. What good is an automated warship when there is nobody onboard to fix it when it's attacked.

>>32968044
>>32968149
That doesnt change the fact that Trump has filled his cabinet with people who are woefully unqualified for the position, people who lied to congress under oath, and at least one actual Russian asset in Flynn. Mattis is just about the only thing Trump hasn't fucked up. His administration is fucking clownshoes.

>>32968165
Obviously the DC systems will be automated. And there will be automated DC systems to fix damage to the automated DC systems recursively all the way down.

>>32968191
Sounds like a lot of bullshit to me. Are you still mad because Hillary was too sick to campaign and win the election. Trump is doing a lot of good things already and I'm still not tired of winning.

>>32968202
You can only do that so far. Technology is not that advanced and the military is traditionally conservative in accepting radically new things. People work and are flexible.

>>32968224
And here we see the common ostrich defense. Democrats have made good use of it the past few years, I wonder how long the MAGA bunch will utilize it?

>>32968337
No ostrich here. I've got a lot of friends in the military. It's not what it used to be, but their morale went up 1000% last month. Trump will help the military and the rest of the country. MAGA

>>32968380
>Trump will help the military and the rest of the country.
How? He wants to wreck the advances in health care coverage. He selected a wealthy donor for Education whose activism has completely fucked over the Michigan school systems with a "choice" between a public system in a budget death spiral or unregulated charter schools that mostly have worse outcomes than the public option. He's putting people in charge of agencies they have vested interests in destroying for personal gain. His Secretary of State is wayyyy too close to Putin. He made the Director of National Security and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff optional attendees on the National Security Council while in a completely unprecedented move giving Bannon a permanent seat, despite the council typically not having a political officer there to control them.

>>32968575
He wants to fix the health care system that Obama destroyed. You're obviously a progressive liberal. You will hate anything he does. Prepare to cry a lot for the next 8 years. MAGA

>>32968657
>He wants to fix the health care system that Obama destroyed.
HOW?! FUCKING HOW?! The only thing he's basically said is repealing the ACA, which is going to fuck 20m Americans out of having any coverage.

>>32968706
At this point the ACA means that a lot of us have insurance that has become so expensive we can't afford to use it. ACA destroyed health care for a lot of us in the middle class. What good is healthcare if your deductible is thousands of dollars. I had decent healthcare until Obama fucked us on it. Remember the whole you can keep your insurance? You can keep your doctor? You'll save thousands of dollars a year? All of those were blatant fucking lies!

>>32968748
>All of those were blatant fucking lies!
Yes, yes, blame the president for corporate greed, sheep.

>>32967820
Remember that time we were attacked 26 years ago and went and fucked a bunch of stuff up? That was a relatively small attack by a few people and the nation rallied. It doesn't take a whole lot for us to focus our anger and fuck somewhere in particular or just in general. We may not attack the right place, but we're going to fuck stuff up.

>>32968794
*16 years

>>32967903
Zums are only an intermediate testbed stage. They never planned on building the entire production run. They just needed enough to do some proof of concept stuff, and to have a place to try out a few other things.

The gen after the Zums, now that's going to be some futuristic shit.

>>32968706
>which is going to fuck 20m Americans out of having any coverage.

Insuring 6% of the population, at a cost of $1.2 trillion to the rest of the population, is not good economic sense.

You wonder how Trump got elected? Bullshit like ACA is how. We didn't want another 4 years of Obama with menopause.

>>32968763
He shouldn't have made those promises, then. It cost Hillary the election, weaselboy.

>>32963563
I don't get this "China wants to fight USA" meme.

USA is the one trying to antagonise China to fight.

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>>32969281
>Childish "fuck everything liberal" voters

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>>32967820
>Holy shit americans are completely unprepared for war with major power. Neither technologically, nor mentally
t. Imperial Japan circa 1941

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-russia-ties-michael-flynn-dossier-2017-2

>>32963563
>How would China be able to fight the USA?

i think you are missing the point

my understanding is the chinks have a very long time frame & given their huge population mass, it looks like the future of planet earth will be yellow

where will china be 100 years from now ? still some backwater communist shithole ? or more developed with more technology ?

look at what china is doing building those island in ? some sea near there, openly building military bases, for what ? 20 years from now china will just send 3 million troops to take over japan, and still have 25 million troops for other uses

>>32969297
I would love to hear more about how mean amurrica burry. China dindu nuffin

>>32969318
>Assblasted liberal voter

>>32969434
>look at what china is doing building those island in ? some sea near there, openly building military bases
A don't get why people get in arms about this, saying im neutral but they're building them because they can. There isn't anything they're legally bound to, to say they can't.

People automatically assume it's an act of war, but why. They have every right to do what they are doing in and around their country. I don't get how the west can think it's some international police force to state they can't.

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>>32969063

>Zums are only an intermediate testbed stage. They never planned on building the entire production run.

This is blatantly wrong. The original plan was to make at least 30 of the things. They were never intended to be a mere "test bed."

>>32969476
Is China surrounding the USA asserting military pressure and conducting nuclear tests nearby?

>>32969485
>Hurr, let's stour heads in the sand about everything wrong with Trump, his administration, and actions because we voted for him, and meme "hurr she lost" at anybody daring to criticize Il Duce

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>>32969496
China is building them to claim that the entire SCS is their territorial waters.

>>32963563
They wouldn't, the PRC is a paper tiger.

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>>32969599

Hey don't knock paper tigers now

>>32969587
Yes but if any other asian country disagreed then they have to right to say otherwise. Why is it the west that feels the need to moderate it.

Maybe all those shitholes can stop killing each other and look to protect their national borders.

>>32969513
Is America building illegal islands to extend US territorial waters and impinge on the Waters of Chinese allies?

Was America caught red handed hacking a major Chinese defense contractor?

>>32969510
He has a point though. Anyone can draw up a blueprint and say, "hey, we could make this really cool ship." But to actually build it is different. Gotta build things to really make progress. Can't just draw blueprints for forever.

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>>32969697
>The big asshole military power of the region starts muscling in on what was open seas and even your territorial waters
>Maybe even a bit of your land
They have been bitching about it, but here's you're (you) and 3 Yuan for the post.

>>32968575

Holy fuck if you think the 'affordable' care act was a good thing then you're either a 14 year old who has no idea how much mommy and daddy are paying for insurance or you're being paid to shill here. i didn't even read past that first sentence since its obvious you have zero clue.

>>32970135
Reminder that the ACA was directly modeled on Mitt Romney's Massachusetts "Romneycare" as the only palatable option to Republicans.

>>32970176
And exactly how many Republicans voted for it?

>>32969773

That's fine, but the Zumwalts weren't intended to be test bed. They just weren't. The Mitscher-class destroyers were built as test beds. They intended to build only 4 and that's exactly what happened. The Zumwalts got cut down from 32 to 3.

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>>32970176

Reminder that when Obama was elected the Dems controlled congress.

>>32970195
Just because the Republican party became mindlessly obstructive at that point doesn't mean it wasn't functionally the Republican style plan. What the Democrats wanted was a proper single-payer system instead of further entrenching the economic power of the insurance industry. But nooooo, that's "socialism."

>>32970231
Yeah, and?

>>32970238
It wasn't mindlessly obstructive. The ACA is a steaming pile of shit. It sucks and it's destroying our health care system. "Proper single payer system" is worse. I'm hoping Trump repeals the ACA and gives us something that at least halfway works.

>>32970261
>It sucks and it's destroying our health care system.
You mean the system of "fuck you if you can't afford insurance, so you have to use emergency care and be an even harder drain on the system or just die?"

>>32970310
And now we have I can't afford insurance and I sure as hell can't afford the huge deductibles. We have destroyed our health system and spent a massive pile of money on something that is fundamentally broken. Something that was sold to us with lies. We didn't get to keep our doctors, our insurance, or save thousands of dollars. We're paying thousands of dollars more a year for crappy insurance we can't afford to use. This was never intended to work. It was intended to help destroy the middle class, fail, and put everyone on single payer.

>>32970358
>And now we have I can't afford insurance and I sure as hell can't afford the huge deductibles.
Why the fuck aren't you using the subsidy system if you can't afford it?

>We have destroyed our health system and spent a massive pile of money on something that is fundamentally broken.
We're spending a lot less now on emergency care because people are actually getting preventative.

>Something that was sold to us with lies.
Mistaken hopefulness at worst.

>We didn't get to keep our doctors, our insurance, or save thousands of dollars. We're paying thousands of dollars more a year for crappy insurance we can't afford to use.
You must live in a Republican state that didn't expend Medicaid like they were supposed to.

>This was never intended to work. It was intended to help destroy the middle class, fail, and put everyone on single payer.
Have you ever considered that ending the tyranny of for-profit medicine and the predatory insurance industry might be a good thing?

>>32970358
>It was intended to help destroy the middle class
Also, it's easy to argue that every single GOP tax and economic policy has done far more actual damage to the middle class and create a new aristocracy.

>>32970385
Because I'm middle class. I work for a living and pay taxes. People like me were absolutely screwed by this system. We don't qualify for subsidies but we can't afford to use it.

No. It wasn't mistaken hopefulness. Look at what the people setting it up are on record saying. They said what they had to say to sell it. We all knew it was wrong, but they said it and sold it on that anyway. It was sold on complete and utter lies.

For profit companies are what has made this world great. The government never does anything efficiently or well. We should be figuring out how to let the market fix this issue and remove the red tape so doctors spend more time on medicine than filling out forms. Make medicine cheap and keep insurance for catastrophic problems.

>>32970242

And so you can't blame Republicans for anything that occurred around that time frame.

>>32967903
Burkes, Virginias and LCS

>>32970433
>Because I'm middle class. I work for a living and pay taxes
So do I, and I think you're full of shit.

>>32970467
Nope. I'm full of hope right now. We kicked out the commie and now we have MAGA!

>>32969562
>grasp at straws and lie to yourself about why Trump won the election, ensuring Dem's will lose more ground in 2018 and Trump's reelection in 2020

>>32969434
>I know nothing about demographics - the post

China is running toward a huge population crisis. They fucked themselves over demographically with the one-child policy, and since their culture and government do not facilitate immigration they will be hard-pressed to recover. Remember, Chinese people who come over to America end up American, but not the other way around.

Look at these posts:

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>>32970358

We're in a thread about how China can fight the US, and more than half of the discussion is about United States health care policy. That should tell you everything you need to know about the significance of China's military threat to the US.

>>32970433

>The government never does anything efficiently or well.

So what? Remove all regulations and just let corporations do whatever they want with no accountability to the public? That didn't work out so well in 2008.

>We should be figuring out how to let the market fix this issue and remove the red tape so doctors spend more time on medicine than filling out forms.

Most of the "red tape" for doctors comes from insurance companies, not the government.

>Make medicine cheap and keep insurance for catastrophic problems.

Insurance shouldn't be for just catastrophic problems though. It should cover more basic needs as well.

>>32970511
No. We need a minimum level of government to provide the basic needs. If you follow the original intent of the US Constitution you can get that.

The red tape comes from both. A lot of it comes from Medicaid/Medicare to the point where doctors refuse to accept it.

Why? There should be an option for no insurance, catastrophic only, or everything covered at your option. The big thing here is people should be paying for their own insurance and deciding where they spend their money. If people were more in control of how the money was spent they could shop things around and find better deals which would lower costs. Right now it's not their money and they don't care.

>>32970385

The biggest problem for Democrats is that they simply forgot their base. Hillary based her campaign around gender issues. Jim Webb is the person who should have been the nominee.

>t. reasonable centrist who often gets frustrated with both parties for different reasons

>>32970547

"No insurance" isn't really an option. It's the lack of an option. Lack of access to preventative care leads to more catastrophic cases, which makes the system more expensive for everybody because hospitals are legally required to treat catastrophic cases regardless of the patient's ability to pay for it.

>>32970590
Or let Bernie actually carry his momentum instead of twisting the primaries to give Hillary her "due."

She still wasn't the supervillain she was painted as, though.

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>>32970511
>That didn't work out so well in 2008.
>Thinking it wasn't precipitated by bankers having to work around ridiculous regulations and mandates

I bet you think Obama administration's financial policy was helpful to the middle class too.

>>32970590
In a free country no insurance is an option. We are free people not serfs. People should be allowed to make that choice and accept the risks.

>>32970643
What, you think the Reagan era cuts did anything but shift payroll from even distribution towards top level executive pay and tax-cheap bonus payouts?

>>32970677
The Reagan tax cuts gave us a booming economy. I remember what happened before and after him.

>>32970511
>Insurance shouldn't be for just catastrophic problems though. It should cover more basic needs as well.

You're not really clear on how insurance works, are you?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurability#Characteristics_of_insurable_risks

You don't go to your auto insurance agent to pay for gas or a tune-up, instead there are many providers for those services, which you can choose from.

It should be the same for health care, I shouldn't HAVE to use insurance to see a doctor for a physical, but there are regulations in place that prevent even so cheap a thing from being affordable.

>>32970726
>The Reagan tax cuts gave us a booming economy.
Short term. Long term they created wage stagnation, driving everyone except a very small few poorer and poorer (yes, even the majority of wealthy individuals) while those few got a larger share and got the poor fools like yourself defending the policy.

>>32963563
Because for all the technical data and blueprints they steal, they can't really steal experience and procedures without knowing the reason for them. They'll just have to build up their own experiences with running a carrier and logistical support that comes with one.

>>32970729
>but there are regulations in place that prevent even so cheap a thing from being affordable.
You mean arbitrary overcharge pricing on the chance someone will pay the full amount and not have their insurance negotiate down to what is still a massive overcharge?

>>32970752
I'll take the results of one of our greatest Presidents over advice from a moonbat commie. Things get better w/ a fiscally conservative President. They suck when we get someone like we've had the last 8 years who wanted to make us all dependent on the government.

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>>32970793
How odd that your beliefs are so backwards from reality.

Republicans have NEVER really been fiscally responsible.

>>32970831
I didn't say Republican. I have hopes that Trump as a businessman will do as he says and drain the swamp.

Strangely you don't attribute the HUGE deficit to Obama?

>>32970793
Also, because this is /k/:
Hughes Amendment.
Iran Contra.
Destroying the mental health infrastructure.
HUD Grant Rigging.
Being directly responsible for the Savings & Loan Crash.
Operation Ill Wind.

Actually, now that I look at it the way you canonize Reagan makes Trump's election make more sense.

>>32970893
Obama got handed the tail-end of a dual war AND a recession, and then two years into his first term an obstructive House that refused to do anything, to the point of even causing a government shutdown as an attempt to force an ACA defund (which failed).

>>32970929
And just like him you blame everyone else for his faults. He wanted to be a dictator but that wasn't what he was elected to be. I am hoping history records him as what he is. The worst President in American History.

>>32970912
Stealing money from social security to pay for pork barrel projects.

Last good president we had was Ike, damn good argument can be made for Kennedy

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>>32970970
>He wanted to be a dictator
You're a special snowflake who believes everything Fox news says, aren't you?

I bet you raged about all of Obama's executive orders, yet are fine with Trump doing it at a far faster, far less vetted rate.

>>32970988
I don't watch Fox much. Might have seen 6 hours of it in the last year. 4 of that was the inauguration.

Executive orders depend on what they're for. When used properly they're a good tool for the head of the Executive Branch to instruct the people below him on how to implement something. When used to make law they're crap.

>>32970893
>as a businessman
he was never a great businessman
>drain the swamp.
except he's done exactly the opposite

trump is a poor mans idea of what a rich man looks like and a weak mans idea of what a powerful man looks like

>>32971042
He's a multi Billionaire. Are you jealous?

We'll see what he does w/ the swamp. It takes time. Worst case he's unlikely to be worse than Hillary. Best case we can straighten out a lot of corruption in this country.

>>32971026
Except they can't "make law." An EO can only define policy within powers granted by the Constitution or law passed by Congress.

>>32970988
>using executive orders to do things that nobody even knew you were planning on doing, stripping Americans of rights, importing foreigners
vs
>using executive orders to get the things done that you were elected on

Also, I don't really give a shit what "rate" Obama and Trump signed executive orders at. He's literally only been in office 3 weeks. Come back in 4 years and we'll see how they stack up

>>32971058
Exactly. They have been used a lot to do things which didn't match that.

Trump's recent EO on immigration was a good example of an EO which instructs his people on something that is clearly within his delegated powers.

>>32971051
>Best case we can straighten out a lot of corruption in this country.
By making the Executive branch more corrupt?

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>>32970793

>Things get better w/ a fiscally conservative President.

If only we had one. Instead we're stuck with Trump. Rand Paul is the only Republican who has seriously been trying to push for a balanced budget. And he's being ignored as usual. And Trump himself has made it very clear that he doesn't care about the deficit at all.

>>32971067
>importing foreigners
If you're not a First Nations native you don't get to bitch about this.

>>32971073
>Trump's recent EO on immigration was a good example of an EO which instructs his people on something that is clearly within his delegated powers.
And as the 9th Circuit Court found violates the Constitution.

>>32971075
Hard to be worse than Obama, and almost impossible to be more corrupt than the Clintons and their pay to play scheme. I'll give Trump a couple of years to decide if he's doing what he promised. Right now what we have is the people he's nominated for cabinet positions and a few executive orders. I haven't seen any corruption yet.

>>32971099
9th Circus Court you mean? Would you like to point out to me exactly where they quoted the law on that instead of feels?

>>32971051
>He's a multi Billionaire. Are you jealous?
he seems like a miserable old man to me but that's besides the point. the point i think you're trying to make is that business experience necessarily translates into proficiency in government - it doesn't
>We'll see what he does w/ the swamp
considering devos just got nominated after her family donated 200 million dollars, the ceo of exxon is now head of the state department, his son in law has been installed as a senior advisor while nobody in their entire family has divested themselves from the family businesses i'd say we can make a pretty good guess at how efforts to "drain the swap" are going to go

>>32971099
Sure we get to bitch about it. We bought this country fair and square w/ blood and treasure.

>>32968748
Or, don't choose the high deductible/low cost plan with a HSA and then never contribute to the HSA, and then act all surprised when you have a health care expenditure that should have been covered by your HSA that would count towards your deductible but oh shit, I didn't put anything in my HSA 'cause I spent it all on a buttload of pokey instead, and now its all Obama's fault.

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>>32971121
And here we see the Trump voter try to excuse everything away.

>>32971129
Trump works with people he knows and trusts. I don't know if a businessman will translate into government, but community organizer sucked. A businessman might be what we need, and can't be worse than the alternative.

Let's see what they DO as opposed to how much their existence offends your sense of feels.

>>32971099
>using ad hominems to try to take down someone else's statement
Not an argument.

>>32971169
I think you need to look up what ad hominem means again.

>>32971149
How about use the insurance which work offers, which has become significantly worse since the ACA was passed. It now sucks. There's not a lot of extra in my budget and a HSA is not in the budget, but then again I'm paying my own bills not getting subsidized by the government. Working Americans got screwed by the ACA. The FSA not so much.

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>>32971099

>If you're not a First Nations native you don't get to bitch about this.

This shit is what drives people to vote for Trump. Every American citizen has a right to voice their opinion on immigration policy and fuck anybody who says otherwise.

>>32971224
OK, great, but when the policy on immigration in question is "all them brown people are terrorists and criminals" it's hard to take you seriously.

>>32971224
It's how we know we're dealing with an irrational person. War and conquest has been an acceptable method of growing a country for all of history. Now we have people who think countries shouldn't exist and that everyone is entitled to the work of their neighbor's labor.

>>32971248
>implying most illegal Mexican immigration isn't based in criminal organizations.

>>32971181
Ad Hominem: (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
So, what that poster said is that unless the other poster was of a certain ethnic background then he was not allowed to complain. This in no way made an attempt to argue against the statement made, and instead focused on the person making the statement. He tried to disqualify the complaint based on who said it,and what their personal qualities were, not whether the complaint had merit on its own. By attacking the person who said it rather than its own validity, it becomes an ad hominem.

>>32971248
It's not "All them brown people are terrorists." It is immigration from specific countries w/ problems are on hold while we evaluate it. Those countries are what 15%? of the total Muslim population?

>>32971248

Donate every you own to the nearest pre-American tribe. Then we'll talk.

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>>32971248

The only "brown people" who are getting deported are ones that blatantly broke the law. Thank God for ICE and thank God for President Donald Trump.

>>32971271
trump didn't even do a good job because a bunch of muslim countries aren't banned

>>32971271
Except we've never had terrorism from refugees or those countries. In fact, every attack was individuals who were on far easier to acquire visas, or were naturalized citizens. And Trump conveniently excluded countries like Saudi Arabia, that he both holds businesses in and was where most 9/11 hijackers came from.

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>>32971259
>>32971302
>Implying this all hasn't happened before

>>32971311
He wasn't banning Muslim countries. He was temporarily halting immigration from countries where there are problems. It's about not being able to verify their information.

>>32971167
>Let's see what they DO
so far what i've seen with regards to the picks he's made looks like pay for play and nepotism. (devos, kushner)

he's already on record as using his executive power for personal enrichment (see spicer/ivanka incident) - carter gave up his shitty peanut farm while trump is directly endorsing his daughters products, costing the government a million dollars a day to keep his wife protected in new york and using the mar-a-lago as a direct means for people to purchase an audience with him

from what we can tell he gets most of his information from cable news and rashly executes based on that, which boggles my mind considering he has all the information from an enormous intelligent network at his disposal. the fact that he actually gets upset and responds to what happens on SNL speaks volumes about him and his personality

trump had to call flynn at 3 in the morning to ask if a strong or weak dollar is more beneficial for the US economy - this is something most college economics freshmen would know

bowling green "massacre"

he's been actively working to discredit the press (calling NYT fake news, "all polls that don't agree with me are fake news")

flynn discussed sanctions with russia before trump was even president hinting that they'd roll back sanctions

i mean these are just a few things that have been DONE, not said - and we're not even a month in.

>>32971329
It's his prerogative as President to determine who comes in. You don't get to second guess him. He can stop some or all Immigration at any time and be within the law. I think he should say "Just to be fair and to work with the courts we are going to stop ALL immigration to the US for the next 4 months while we evaluate the vetting procedures.."

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>>32971394

I'm sorry, are you suggesting that a man is wrong for defending his fucking daughter from blatant harassment? Do you really expect anybody who isn't already a fanatical anti-trumper to get upset about that?

>>32971271

>>32971329 <<this

wahhabism is probably the leading cause of muslim terrorism and saudis bankroll it and its expansion. the house of saud is a pox upon humankind

>>32971394
That's how it's been spun or reported by the people who hate him and are determined to stop him at all costs. He's tweaking people like you on purpose and it's working.

>>32971449
And? You fix the problems you can fix quickly and deal with others as you can. Saudi Arabia is a different issue and needs to be handled carefully until we get enough energy resources online where we don't need them.

It still doesn't change the fact that he has the authority to limit immigration. The fact you don't like it doesn't change his authority and the 9th Circus Court is completely and utterly full of shit on this.

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>>32971447
no, i'm suggesting he has yet to divest himself of any of his prior business interests and he's using his position of power as president to further enrich himself and his family. spicer literally said "go buy ivanka's stuff" - nordstrom's decision to stop carrying seems to be based on the fact that people aren't buying it and it might be potentially damaging to nordstroms brand to keep carrying it considering most of their clientele is wealthy urbanites

i think outright suggesting that someone buy her products goes beyond defending her from harassment

>>32971459
how about you pick any of the points i've made and respond to one of them with a reasoned response - you have no idea what my agenda is or if i "hate him" or if i'm "determined to stop him at all costs"

keep it about any one of the issues i brought up and drop the ad hominem please

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>>32971490
could you specify which part of the ruling you specifically disagree with?

>>32971504

Here's the thing:

I think you're right.

Trump really isn't a good president.

Jim Webb is the guy who should have won.

But he didn't and I sure as hell wasn't going to vote for Hillary.

>>32971213
how 'bout insurance and health care costs were going up even faster before ACA took effect, so comparing where you are now with your insurance 10 years ago isn't really a comparison?
the plural of anecdote isnt data.
also, your employer probably used ACA as an excuse to screw you and cut your health care bennies figuring you'e blame the black guy in the white house.

>>32971504
What do you want covered?
He has turned over control of his company to his sons. He's not in control and is well within the law.

His family is entitled to Secret Service protection. If his wife chooses to stay in New York and send their son to school that's between them. Did you complain about Obama's trips all over in Air Force One?

I haven't heard of the weak dollar thing and suspect that's an urban legend. Someone at his level of business would know.

I think the Bowling Green Massacre is a mistake at worst, and likely a dig at his opponents to give you something to bitch about. He seems to throw out a bunch for you to bitch about then move on and do something. While you're bitching he's doing things.

Some of the media deserve to be called fake news. Obama went 8 years where he essentially called Fox News that.

So what if Flynn discussed things w/ Russia before Trump was President? A new President is setting policy. Who cares if he's discussing things w/ allies and opponents? Are you bitching about Obama trying to interfere since he's out of office?

>>32971549
Trump is either going to be an incredible President, or a crappy one. On the other hand we knew Hillary would be corrupt and crappy so it's worth the risk.

>>32971549
>hell wasn't going to vote for Hillary.
i voted for johnson so i could say i didn't vote for either and if i could redo i think i'd vote for hillary despite how terrible of a candidate i think she was. i think the biggest reveal from the DNC emails was that the establishment worked to shut out bernie, who I think might have been a stronger opponent to trump - i think both candidates are symptoms of people who don't hold capital getting less and less of their share of the benefits of globalization and automation

>>32971615

It wasn't really about Hillary either. It was about the Supreme Court. Like I've been saying. I'm a centrist. I don't care who runs the government so long as they are reasonable. But the Supreme Court is different.

>>32971636
And that is why we got Trump. People voted in large part because of who he said he'd appoint to the Supreme Court.

>>32971629
The biggest reveal from the Hillary email was that she was sending classified material on an unclassified system. Many hundreds if not thousands of felonies and lots of data exposed to the rest of the world. Anyone else would rot in prison for the rest of their lives for that.

>>32971426
And it's the Judicial branch's duty to determine if the ruling has a sufficiently valid cause and is constitutional, and the Executive couldn't prove in the 9th Circuit Court that either was in effect.

Carriers are essentially obsolete. Of course, they are still useful in the sense of political expediency (more flexibility around dealing with other nations air bases and overflight rights) and, of course propaganda. But, as a combat platform they have been clearly over-taken by missile technology. A carrier can't go anywhere without being surrounded by missile ships because it if any modern enemy combat vessel gets within a thousand km of a carrier it will sink otherwise.

So, why have a carrier at all if the objective is to control territory? It's nice to have fixed wing aviation to do things like launch early warning craft, run ground strikes, etc, but it's useless against combating enemy surface groups -- those aircraft are just inefficient missile first-stage boosters.

>>32971580
>He has turned over control of his company to his sons
that is in now way similar to placing his business assets in a blind trust - he's still capable of instructing his sons on how to conduct business and is still able to take advantage of inside information or his position of power to enrich himself. what i will cede is that a business of the scope and complexity like his would be much more complicated to completely divest oneself from but it's the only way to fully ensure there are no conflcts of interest, especially given that his family members are also in positions of political infleunce

>His family is entitled to Secret Service protection
agreed, but he's doing so at the expense of the taxpayer instead of moving into the white house. the secret service are renting space in a building which trump owns and has the ability to set the price of rent on - he could, for example, rent it out to the secret service free of charge

>I haven't heard of the weak dollar thing and suspect that's an urban legend. Someone at his level of business would know.
feel free to google "trump flynn dollar", appears it was a leak from a staffer and the releasing organization was huffpo - so feel free to discredit that, huffpo is trash imo but it's possible that it could be a legitimate insider source.

>I think the Bowling Green Massacre is a mistake at worst
there are two incidents of her using the same phrasing before the MSNBC interview - seems intentional to me. see also spicers reference to an attack in atlanta that never happened and trump's statement in tampa claiming that the press won't report terrorists attacks
> give you something to bitch about
drop the ad hominems dude

>Some of the media deserve to be called fake news. Obama went 8 years where he essentially called Fox News that.
he called the new york times fake news - this isn't some kid in romania spamming sensationalist articles to facebook for ad clicks - it's a 150+ year old journalism establishment

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>>32971840

>Heavily used in every conflict since WW2
>Obsolete

doubt.jpg

>>32963759
Looked like she was an NFO, not a pilot/aviator.

>>32971861

Anonymous sources are not sources, they're rumors.

>>32971861
>>32971580

>So what if Flynn discussed things w/ Russia before Trump was President? A new President is setting policy. Who cares if he's discussing things w/ allies and opponents? Are you bitching about Obama trying to interfere since he's out of office?

because we don't know effect what the promises made to lift sanctions had on russias involvement in the election - also tillerson lobbied against placing the sanctions previously because they would prevent a proposed 500 billion dollar for exxonmobil to purchase russian oil and gas rights. once again a direct conflict of interest

>>32971861
He's not required to put them in a blind trust. He's following the law. Deal with it.

Again. He's Entitled to it. The renting space applies to all of the former Presidents from what I've seen.

I'm still skeptical. A leak and the Huffpo.

I know there are incidents beforehand, but so what? Sometimes people remember things wrong or misspeak. If they have a D behind their name they can literally get away with Murder. (Kennedy) If they have a R they get crucified for using a correct (but archaic) spelling which was on the card. (Quayle)

So he called them on it? So what? How many times did Obama do similar things to Fox News?

The 9th Circuit judges were a complete joke -- only 1 of them tried to challenge both sides. After listening to the travel ban hearing I understand why right wingers have used the 9th Circuit as swear word for so long. No wonder the vast majority of their rulings get overturned at the Supreme Court.

>>32971978
>He's following the law

This doesn't not make you a scumbag.

There is a significant overlap on the Venn Diagram.

>>32972044
And there is a significant area where following the law has no significance on you being a scumbag. He's following the law but people don't like it! Guess what NOTHING he can do will make them happy so the best answer is to follow the law and tweak them every chance you get so they pay attention to their FEELS instead of what he does. Trump doesn't care if your feelings are hurt! MAGA

>>32972044

So we've devolved into arguing that "Trump is mean"? Okay, Trump is an asshole, I'll give you that. A lot of great leaders were assholes. Sometimes it is necessary to get shit done.

>>32972097
I've read that about him. Supposedly he's an OCD perfectionist asshole in a lot of ways, but once you accept that he's supposed to be decent to deal with. That and the fact that he doesn't like to lose is what give me hope with him.

>>32972097
Well, it's not that he's mean.

I want my president to be a mean son of a bitch.

It's that his actions aren't good for America. Dickriding a guy no matter what he does is one sure way to make sure that they never live up to their potential.

>>32972138
The problem is we have at least 2 outlooks on what is good for America. We just got done w/ the guy who hates America and wants to significantly change it. Now it's the turn of the guy who loves America and wants to MAGA! Somehow the left in this country has decided if we disagree with them we are evil or stupid, but we might just have different starting points and different values. We're more for personal responsibility and small government instead of a big nanny state and big government.

>>32972097
Carter is a good example of that. Supposed to be a nice guy who you might like having a beer with, but an absolutely horrible President.

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>>32972138

>Dickriding a guy no matter what he does is one sure way to make sure that they never live up to their potential.

I've criticized Trump plenty of times in this thread. I just don't see him as the harbinger of the apocalypse that certain people want him to be.

>>32972171
The weird part is, there's a significant overlap between Obama and Trump.

Both of them are sick of countries mooching off of US defense spending, both of them want to confront China, both of them disdain conventional Washington politics.

But yeah, if he released his tax returns, created a blind trust, and concentrated on his job, America would be better off.

For one thing, he has more time to actually be president, for another, that buys him some support from fence-sitters.

Uncritical praise is one of the worst things you can do to somebody. It totally fucks with their ability to function. I like a lot of things about Trump, but when he screws up the best thing is to call him on it.

>>32972216

I don't think you'll find many people who voted for Trump who don't have concerns. We're used to Republicans who promise the world then get to Washington DC and tell us "Sorry we just can't do anything." Trump has a few policies that concern me a lot, but he knows how to run a big company and that should translate into a big government in a lot of ways. He's got a HUGE ego, hates to lose, and works all the time. Those are good things if he wants to accomplish something. I'm of the opinion of give him 2 years and see what he does.

>>32972190

Carter was so happy during Trumps inauguration it was weird. All the other Dems looked fucking depressed but Carter was all smiles the whole way through. Either he's getting senile or he secretly voted for Trump.

>>32971861
Giving free board to the Secret Service is illegal as fuck too.

>>32971978
While the domestic COI is technically true, his business is international and this subject to the emoluments clause.

>>32972267
I'm just saying, a lot of Trump's base doesn't seem willing to call him on it when he fucks up.

I think the tax return thing and the blind trust thing are a fuck up.

Everybody fucks up some of the time, and he isn't going to be able to govern effectively without some kind of negative feedback from his allies.

>>32972216
He doesn't need to release his tax returns. If nothing else it will annoy his opponents. He can't win this one so best not to even try.

He doesn't need to put his business in a blind trust. He's following the law and going beyond the requirements. You don't get to make up new rules for him. You can't just make a multi billion dollar business go away when it's hard property and your name.

He's got lots of time to be President. The man almost never sleeps!

>>32972171
>Obama
>Hates America
You're an idiot. Admitting there are problems and wanting to fix them isn't "hate", it's an actual love of country.

>>32971394

>carter gave up his shitty peanut farm

And that turned out to be a mistake. When he got back the peanut farm was completely ruined. Trump doesn't want his businesses to suffer the same fate as Carter's peanut farm.

>>32972305
If you don't think his base calls him on it, you're in your little echo chamber not listening to them. Everyone I know who supports him is questioning things he does or announces. There are tons of interpretations of them. Those are all things for down the road when we see what he does. Until then we're cheering him on and hoping he succeeds.

The funny part was from the start it was
He's going to drop out any day.
He'll never get the nomination.
He'll drop out any day now.
He'll throw the election to Hillary.
He'll lose to Hillary.

Guess what? He won. We have a President who loves our country and is used to winning. I'll take a chance on that.

>>32972171
Nobody decided that, it's just an indisputable fact.

It's no less a judgement than the fact that we breathe oxygen to live.

>>32972317
>He's got lots of time to be President. The man almost never sleeps!
And yet he spends his mornings watching TV and comes in an hour later than Obama and Bush did. And then just quits for the day and watches TV all night when his predecessors were at the least reading up briefing packets.

>>32972342
No. Obama was close friends with the terrorist Bill Ayers. From what I can tell he hated America. He worked for 8 years to destroy us and to destroy our standing in the world.

And see that? "You're an idiot!" That's your tolerant leftwing ASSHOLE for you.

>>32972374

You forgot the best one:

>He never actually wanted to be president, this is all just a publicity stunt for a new reality show

>>32972374
See, what worries me is the old

>the politicians virtues are the statesmans vices

Look at LBJ. He was an absolutely brilliant speaker of the house, because he was good at power games, but when he ended up in the White House he screwed up massively because he wasn't used to macro level management.

I worry that Trump will be unable to get as good at the Oval Office as he was at candidacy.

I mean, I'm happy to see DC vs. Heller not get "reinterpreted" and I'm happy not to see an immigration "amnesty" but I'm worried he's going to slip on the autistic detail stuff.

>>32972384
So if we disagree with you we're evil or stupid? Oh, you are so underestimating your opposition.

>>32972386
If nothing else, it was nice having a president that called Israel out on their shenanigans.

>>32972349
Trump is 70 fucking years old, and the presidency ages even those with healthy lifestyles like the last two 20+ years. He should have just fully retired from his companies and done an inheritance transfer.

>>32972397

Trump on the other hand is used to running a multi billion dollar conglomeration of companies. He's used to being the man in charge. The people he's nominated I think bode well for him on macro level management. It doesn't matter if you like them or not, he has generally picked very successful people. He's an anomaly. We'll see if it works.

>>32972386
Because you don't have any friends who have out-there opinions, right?

>>32972405
That was a good example of Obama. Always side w/ Islam and always go against Israel when you can get away with it.

>>32972414

>Trump is 70 fucking years old

Hillary is 69 years old. A whopping 1 year younger.

>>32972446

AND she had blatant health issues.

>>32972430
He's not used to working with any real rules or checks on his will, either. Or being diplomatic. Or being in what is effectively a 24-hour job.

>>32972462
She had the flu on the trail. Whoop de fucking doo. Trump eats fast food, never exercises, and spends several hours eating junk food and getting angry at the TV every day.

>>32972466
The man who wrote "The Art of the Deal" isn't used to being diplomatic? Sure he is. He just plays the game differently. He's a New York businessman who's brash and demanding. I think a lot of that is an image. He demands far more than he expects to get, and because of that comes into negotiations at an advantage. It's all about getting what he wants and needs. He's a dealmaker.

>>32972442
Yeah, but Israel deserved it.

>>32972430
See, everyone would be a lot more chilled out if he'd run for a Senator's office or governor or something beforehand.

Something where you have to deal with courts and the legislature constantly undoing your shit and fucking with you.

>>32972500
There's where we differ. There are times when our interests don't match, but Israel is the only western style military in the Middle East. They're also our closest ally there.

>>32972486

>Trump eats fast food

Maybe in blatant photo-ops

>never exercises

Golf counts as exercise

>and spends several hours eating junk food and getting angry at the TV every day.

[citation needed]

>>32972491
No, he's used to bullying or conning everyone into what he wants. Which could backfire, as he loved constantly shorting everyone when it came time to pay his bills every Atlantic City building contractor would jack up their estimates just to be able to clear minimum profitability.

>>32972516
You don't think he was used to that? A man in business at that level is going to have lawyers on staff all the time. He is on a first name basis w/ a lot of the politicians because he had to deal with them. I think going from high level CEO to President makes more sense than CEO to 1 Senator among many to President. People like Hillary or Obama do Senator because they don't have any other credentials to stand on.

>>32972521
I agree, with the exception of Israeli settlements.

I think the settlements are stupid as hell.

Everything else is cool, but they need to stop building those settlements.

It just gives the haredi fucking shits more power, and the Palestinians more excuses to bitch.

I think Obama was right not to veto the Security Council resolution about those.

>>32967820
yeah we weren't prepared for WW2 either, not that it mattered

>>32972533
>Maybe in blatant photo-ops
He's professed constant love of it.

>Golf counts as exercise
Sure, if you walk the course instead of always using a cart, like Trump does.

>>32972551
Well, if you run a company, you run it. It's yours. 100%.

If you're a President, you don't control the purse strings, and the courts have the final say on your laws.

You have to work with a lot less power, and a lot more uncertainty.

Really, he's a couple weeks in, so we have no idea what he'll be like by the end of his term.

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>>32972556
Why stop building the settlements? They earned that land the hard way. They've got as much right to that land as anyone else.

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>>32971344

>Why don't you help the poor syrian children reeeee

>Why do you intervene in a sovereign Muslim nation and cause yet another war for oil in the middle east reeeeeeee

Iraq war was a huge mistake. However, had Saddam not been removed circa 2014 we'd have liberals demanding we intervene for the poor chillins of Iraq suffering under President Uday Hussein's tyranny. Emotional saccharine feelings have no place in foreign policy decisions. It comes from people who think you can intervene in a fairytale media fiction way with a happy go lucky ending.


>>32972539

I'd rather have a slimy bastard like Kissinger in charge of democracy than an earnest nice guy. He was right to note how we've been terrible dealmakers of late, that we walk around the world like the naive aw-shucks rube waltzing into the marriage ceremony of a used car salesman's son and a horse-trader's daughter and going "I just inherited 500,000 dollars and I dunno what to do with it! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯"

This is captured in the writings of a right-wing anti-semitic nationalist by the name of Thomas Friedman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Friedman

>>32970510
>We're in a thread about how China can fight the US, and more than half of the discussion is about United States health care policy. That should tell you everything you need to know about the significance of China's military threat to the US.

Really, that's the conclusion you drew? It's not "4chan is just prone to shitposting" or "k/unts are dumb"? Or did you ignore half of the RAND corp papers in the last 10 years? What about the last 3 quadrennial defense review? I really want to know how you're able to fucking breathe, since your post indicates less than even double digit IQ.

tl;dr? Shut the fuck up and get the fuck out.

>>32972608
Basically, the logic goes that Israel is eventually going to have to make some kind of peace with the Palestinians, and there needs to be someone to make peace with.

If the Palestinians don't have any land left, that means no Palestinian state, which means no two state solution.

Everyone has been pushing the two-state solution, but after it failed the last couple times the Israelis have been pretty iffy about it.

Also, I didn't know this, but

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-says-israel-settlement-growth-not-good-peace-104054406.html

>>32970793
confirmed for never picking up a econ textbook.

Just another average k/ poster.

>>32963563
>China does not think they can really stand up to USA navy do they?
Other than paid shills, we don't, we're proud/nationalistic(?) but we're not retarded.
t. chink

>>32971051
>He's a multi Billionaire.
he's not. I don't think you know what really constitutes his business "empire", and what the term "Brand Equity" really means. I suggest you fuck off 4chan and actually educate yourself. 4chan is not a place for retards to improve themselves. It only makes their stupidity more acute.

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>>32972650

The stereotypes of the thrifty, ruthlessly cunning and mercantile Semite is not an antiquated or bigoted stereotype any more than that of the drab and wooden and efficient German or the rebellious and haughtily proud frenchman. You need a slick ruthless businessman kind of mentality to survive against these sorts of regimes and individuals. Outside of the nice, quaint and peaceful gated communities of Western Europe and the washington DC enclave politics starts to resemble on the best of days more classical turn of the century Chicago or Boston or NYC. We need someone willing to play by Hama rules as much as is possible.

And another point I've found stressed not just by this author but others is that public/private dichotomy. Never EVER publicly throw the Israelis under the bus. That does you no good whatsoever - it will hurt you with the US senate, it will hurt you with the Israelis digging in and rallying the wagons and the Palestinians won't like or acquiesce to you any more than they would have otherwise. Their interest in the US is because of the executive's leverage with Israel, and not putting up public solidarity destroys that.

Why I'd say the decision to not veto it was a mistake of Obama's. You can answer that by simply asking what did we gain by not vetoing?

It didn't strengthen the Israeli left/center, who lack any kind of personality.
It didn't make the Palestinians moderate themselves.
It didn't show any kind of earnest threat to Israeli settlement building because it was a parting shot by a president whose party was slaughtered in the federal level. And his party on the federal level almost unanimously blasted him for the failure to veto.

>>32972650
>I'd rather have a slimy bastard like Kissinger in charge of democracy than an earnest nice guy.
Trump isn't a statesman remotely in the caliber of Kissinger. I recommend you read his On China.

>>32972402
Not automatically, no. Just in this one case.

>>32972650
And then he just gives into China and is acting like Putin's pet.

>>32972696
>Other than paid shills
There are no paid shills on 4chan. The demographics here is of very little interest to The State Council. If you were a chink, you would know that. I bet you were born here and barely speak the language, you fucking banana.

>>32972669
Of course 4chan is all about shitposting and everyone is dumb. But since you're such an expert, how about you explain to me how those publications you cite describe how China would threaten the United States in a war? Or is it that they actually only discuss how China would be able to prevent the US from intervening in a local war they choose to start, not threaten the us itself.

Get stuffed cunt.

>>32972834
I wasn't talking about 4chan specifically, and yes I was born here but I spent most of my childhood in China and frequently go back to visit my parents.
I bet you dont even use lime or wechat nerd :^)

>>32972785

Trump doesn't need to be - He is no Mattis either and Kissinger wasn't president. We have to wait and see how Tillerson performs as secretary of state but I am willing to give him the opportunity to do so. Course you can add that he's no Nixon either, and that's true - for good and for bad. We have to see how he pans out.

I'll try and read his On China soon. It sounds like he does a masterful job detailing the nature of Chinese foreign policy and outlook but I would be hesitant to think that we can simply emulate past policies towards China and expect the same results. The world is different in 2017 than in 1970, and I doubt we would have shown rapproachment with the Chinese if they were threatening the South China sea like they are today. Likewise since that book came out the Chinese have gone full retard and started to ratchet up a bellicosity that caused their incredibly efficient soft power to start to rot overnight.

My expertise isn't China but rather the Mid-East so I don't know what policy you'd or Kissinger would be advocating for China.

China's strategy is to spam a shit load of anti ship missiles and strike American bases. American basesbases will definitely be fucked but it is yet to be seen if they can spam and hit American ships.

>>32972870
Why don't you read them yourself? I'm not here to educate you, only to call you names, which you rightfully deserve.

You dumb cunt,

>>32972888
I have wechat. Hardly ever use it. Don't lie. We both knw you're white, at least on the inside.

>>32972929
I'm going to put this politely. You don't have the prerequisites to comment on east asian geopolitics.

>>32973020

Honestly you seem like a troll judging from the responses here and with your snide passive aggressiveness and acting as if there is a certain esoteric level of secreted knowledge that is required to be able to observe east-asian geopolitics.

Not to mention when I ask you "I don't know what policy you or Kissinger would be advocating" I leave the door open for you to correct me and explain what policy you are recommending with regards to Chinese bellicosity and expansionism.

Instead "nah man you're a sheepel you can't understand this gnostic information". Which you've been doing to that other fellow >>32972870

So good work on the baiting you got me.

Fucking nigger.

>>32973085
Tl;dr, you're dumb.
Then again, that's expected of someone who holds Friedman in such high esteem. Enjoy your stupidity and incorrect assertions. I'm sure the consequences of being wrong is fairly mild in your profession.

Ciao.

>>32968134
>Live munitions can be set off by RF radiation

>"Ivan look, and American airplane!"
>"Radio it into HQ Sergei"
>American plane explodes

John "Stray Voltage" McCain my ass.

Regarding ACA. My company now pays 70% more in health care benefit costs than before Obamacare. This retains benefits that are marginally worse for families with children and low wage earners. For us married w/o kids or single, the premiums are vastly higher, and co-pays are fucking crazy.

In the end, I started working off the books ( cash under the table) so that I can afford health care. The state covers the bill, which is the only way I can afford a shitty house, old ass car and multiple sclerosis.

The only thing is that I'm not entitled to any workers comp, unemployment benefits, or employee protection afforded by law.

While I hated fucking over my fellow citizens being on state Medicare, it's either this or be crippled as fuck with no treatment or have treatment but lose my house and start eating ramen.

Everything was great under G.W. and I was getting awesome care with almost no copay. For blue collar slaves with (not quite disableing enough) conditions, we got fucked. Just about ruined my chances at real retirement.

>>32973693
Obamacare sucks, but what does it have to do with this thread?

>>32973809
It turned into a polite OTT

Remember kids, polite sage when you post off topic.

>>32973842
I sage still a thing on 4chan? I thought they got rid of sage ages ago. I don't even have an email field to put it in...

>>32973864
It goes in the options field now, and it's always hidden so people can't use sage as an insult.

Frankly, I just miss putting witty things in the email field.

>>32973904
I think they should bring back visible sages, with the caveat that fucking up and putting sage in the name field should be an instant ban. "Sage goes in all fields" was always a cancerous meme.

>>32974204
I enjoyed putting sage into the password field, knowing that nobody would see it but me, but knowing that I'd truly completed things.

>>32970643
>deregulating the financial industry made things more regulated gais

>>32970985
Kennedy has the advantage of being assassinated to distract from his flaws. He nearly drove the world to nuclear war twice. I will give Reagan credit for actually believing in the Laffer Curve. After the massive tax cut, he raised taxea a half dozen times trying to find the "sweet spot". Also Bush Sr. for raising taxes when it was necessary for the country even though he campaigned on "no new taxes".

>>32971073
An unconstitutional EO that banned countries that haven't had their natives try to kill Americans in the US, conveniently left out any nation in the region that has a Trump property, and Trump said exceptions would be made for Christians. Also, the EO blocked green card holders, you know, people who live here legally going through the years long process of naturalization.

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>>32976375
>I will give Reagan credit for actually believing in the Laffer Curve
>there are people, to this very day, who believe that the US is on the right side of the laffer curve and not the left
>many of these people exist outside of cemeteries and mental institutions

>>32971580
Fox News is fake news. Poll after poll fibds that Fox News viewers are consistently less informed than viewers of any other news media. How do you end up less knowledgeable than CNN viewers? fffsss

>>32971669
The guy he's chosen was the president and founding member of a fascism club. Like holy shit.

>>32972386
Lowering the unemployment rate and improving the economy for eight years while the GOP opposed every single thing he did is hating America?

>>32970510
>China is running toward a huge population crisis.
Meanwhile America is minority white, whatever happens to China it will still be Chinese
Thats the point of having a Nation, and an Identity, there is more holding China together than just their fucking government.

How much has the average American IQ declined due to mass immigration? How many non-white half breeds are running around?

>and since their culture and government do not facilitate immigration
Oh I see, you are one of those people, an utter goddamn retard. Ethno-nationalism is the only thing that stands the test of time. America will not exist by 2100 unless things are changed

>>32967116
If they ever hit a carrier the US would nuke their entire country so fast they wouldn't know what happened.

>>32973693
Obviously Obamacare was bad for white people, thats the point
Just be poor, never have kids, and let the foreigners replace you

>>32976736
Changing the math with which employment is calculated was hardly a solution to the problem.

Employed percentage of population is still at fourth year lows.

>>32972556
>I think the settlements are stupid as hell.
No doubt your on a plane back to whatever ancestral plot of land you came from huh
Because new world settlements are "stupid as hell" ?

Who gives a shit about palestinians, they are muslims & terrorists
Every last one of these "people" should be killed, and the world would be better off for it.

>>32977089
>Changing the math with which employment is calculated was hardly a solution to the problem.

The math wasn't changed.

>Employed percentage of population is still at fourth year lows.

No shit. You are aware that includes children and retirees, right?

>>32977057
You stormfront is showing.

>>32963563
That video sure does bring back memories...

>>32977247
your reddit is showing

>>32977057
>Meanwhile America is minority white, whatever happens to China it will still be Chinese.

Minority white is still > full subhuman

>>32963563
By flooding the US education system with their dumbest citizens who all have "degrees"

>>32972650
>I'd rather have a slimy bastard like Kissinger in charge of democracy than an earnest nice guy. He was right to note how we've been terrible dealmakers of late,

Funny, because Kissinger was the biggest backstabber of them all.

>>32977326
Look at South America for an indication of what America/Canada will be
Everyone some form of mongrel, average IQ in the 80's
Permanent left wing governments or right wing dictatorships

>>32977298
Go fuck yourself, you're the one coming up in here posting blatant stormfront propaganda that isn't even close to true.

What was it, did Daddy beat you and Mommy not love you enough? Grow up poor and socially awkward, so when somebody told you that you were tyhe genetic superman who has to fight back you bought it hook, line, and sinker?

Get that weak-ass shit outta my /k/.

>>32977357
Again, at worst you are putting America at equal with China.

Nonwhite is nonwhite.

>>32977359
You're not even white

>>32977366
Chinese non-white is better than mestizo & muslim & black non-white
When whites are a minority, it won't be "America" anymore
China will still be China, even if the communist government falls.

>>32977410
>Chinese non-white is better than mestizo & muslim & black non-white

Hahahahahhahahahaha. No. Those niggers got where they were due to whites.

Again, you state that America won't be "america" anymore, just the same as every other nation. Just as shit skinned as China.

>>32968191
>Mattis is just about the only thing Trump hasn't fucked up.

And he's already come awfully close to fucking that up. Remember the day Kellyanne came up with "alternative facts" right after Spicer blew his top at the press about crowd size estimates? There are a couple of sources that say Mattis was about to resign that weekend, only about 2-3 days after he was confirmed. It was only a couple of quick phone calls and a promise for Spicer to reign his shit in that made him give the administration another chance. I doubt he'll last 6 months.

>>32977468
>just the same as every other nation.
Thats not what nation means

Yes of course when the demographics of a country is totally fucking replaced, its no longer what it was

America will just be Brazil soon enough, where the military police goes on strike for a few days and there is mass murder in the streets

But hey you people don't care huh

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>>32968657
> the health care system that Obama destroyed

>>32977472
>Reads fake news
>Believes fake news
>muh sources though

>>32977493
No, you are a Chinese han false flagging with race, and I'm reminding you that you are as shit skinned as the hue's, drinking gutter oil and shitting in the streets like the Loos.

>>32977524
? I'm not Chinese you fucking idiot

I am just not happy with you fucking suicide cult nihilists pissing away western civilization

>>32963759
>Top Gun Anthem wailing in the distance

>>32970261
>It wasn't mindlessly obstructive.

My dude. They were filibustering Obama's POSTMASTER APPOINTMENTS. If that's not "mindlessly obstructive," then what the fuck IS?

>>32977543
Yes you are.

No need to lie to me

>>32970654
>In a free country no insurance is an option.
>We are free people not serfs. People should
>be allowed to make that choice and accept
> the risks.

So you get in a car wreck and...what? The EMTs hold off on stopping your bleeding until they can establish whether you have insurance? They help you anyway, and then the ER pulls out your IVs and dumps you in the parking lot when a couple hours later they learn you don't have insurance?

No. We're a fucking civilized country. We help people who are in need, even if they're stupid or selfish assholes who think they can "take their chances" even though it DOES affect other people than just themselves if they develop cancer or get in a car wreck or get their fingers cut off at work.

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>>32970793
> Things get better w/ a fiscally conservative President.

>>32971042
>trump is a poor mans idea of what a rich man
> looks like and a weak mans idea of what a
> powerful man looks like

Fucking BINGO.

>>32971490
>The fact you don't like it doesn't change his
> authority and the 9th Circus Court is
>completely and utterly full of shit on this.

And you went to law school where and when?

Funny how Trump losing a court case suddenly turns a bunch of neckbeards on /k/ into legal scholars.

>>32971580
>He has turned over control of his company to his sons. He's not in control and is well within the law.

Except he still receives daily reports and his instructions supersede his sons'. He IS in control, and is violating the emoluments clause of the constitution.

>Someone at his level of business would know.

lol... yeah, you're a real master of businessology to rent your name out and build golf courses and hotels.

>>32977609
>civilized country

lol
Meanwhile millions of whites are victims of non-white crime every year
Millions more live in fear, millions more have fled the place they were born because its taken over

So very fucking civilized

>>32977727
>and is violating the emoluments clause of the constitution.

Sure m8, and you have a court decision showing that? Oh wait you don't, because its nonsense, and a president owning a business doesn't violate the constitution.

>>32971580
>I think the Bowling Green Massacre is a mistake at worst

So why'd Kellyanne mention it twice? Say something untrue once and maybe it's a mistake or misunderstanding. Repeat it over and over, and you're FUCKING LYING.

>Some of the media deserve to be called fake
> news. Obama went 8 years where he
> essentially called Fox News that.

Fox News *IS* that. Surveys have shown on more than one occasion that Fox News viewers are less well informed than people who don't watch ANY NEWS SERVICE AT ALL.

>>32971695
>The biggest reveal from the Hillary email
>was that she was sending classified material
> on an unclassified system. Many hundreds
>if not thousands of felonies and lots of data
> exposed to the rest of the world. Anyone
>else would rot in prison for the rest of their
> lives for that.

You know Trump and several of his cabinet members are using unsecured email servers RIGHT FUCKING NOW, right?

Trump is STILL USING THE SAME FUCKING SMARTPHONE he was using during the campaign.

>>32971965
>So what if Flynn discussed things w/ Russia before Trump was President?

So it's...uh...against the fucking LAW?

>>32972021
>After listening to the travel ban hearing I
>understand why right wingers have used
>the 9th Circuit as swear word for so long.
>No wonder the vast majority of their rulings
> get overturned at the Supreme Court.

You're a fucking idiot. The 9th Circuit has the third highest rate of being reversed among all the circuit courts. And "vast majority"? The 9th Circuit is the biggest circuit court in the country. They rule on over 10,000 cases a year. You know how many of their cases get reviewed by the Supreme Court? About a dozen a year.

You don't know...what...the...fuck...you're...talking...about. So shut UP!

>>32972171
>We just got done w/ the guy who hates America

Don't need to read any more from you. You're obviously retarded. Like, literally mentally deficient.

>>32977792
1st amendment idiot

>>32963563
they get fucked by the us and their allies endlessly forever

>>32972386
>From what I can tell he hated America.

From what I can tell, you have shit for brains.

>>32963563
that video is cool as hell

>>32972442
>Always side w/ Islam

Yeah, while killing Osama and droning the living fuck out of Afghanistan and Iraq... TOTALLY taking their side...

>>32977901
"Killing" osama
No proof needed huh

Obama was just a puppet, he can't control what the military does
And all this droning of cities & infrastructure is to drive "refugees" to europe

>>32972551
>A man in business at that level is going to have
> lawyers on staff all the time.

Yep. And he had such a good relationship with them that they insisted on meeting with him in pairs because he would lie TO HIS OWN LAWYERS so much that they wanted a witness there to confirm what it was he'd tell them.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/kendalltaggart/trumps-lawyer-we-met-with-him-in-pairs-to-avoid-lies?utm_term=.ab2Y3G4bg#.qu0gJrPbw

>>32977932
>buzzfeed

>>32969434
3 million chinese "troops" armed with airsoft guns who have never fired a live round in training before sailing across open seas in chinese "ships" whos maiden voyage will be straight to davy jones locker due to quality control issues.

>>32977741
>Oh wait you don't, because its nonsense, and
>a president owning a business doesn't violate
>the constitution.

No, a president profiting financially from payments given by forerign governments is unconstitutional. And that's what Trump is doing. You can say it's nonsense all you like--foreign governments are still paying his businesses for services.

>>32977863
>1st amendment idiot

The 1st amendment does not make it legal to negotiate with foreign governments when you're not a diplomat accredited by this one. It's literally against the law, and Flynn might just be losing his job because of it.

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>>32977929
>"Killing" osama
>No proof needed huh

Oh, you're one of those.

>>32977942
>>buzzfeed

Did you even look at the article?

>>32967740
>China will wait for America to die
China isn't doing too hot itself. Xi is facing heavy resistance from Zemin's faction and his "anti-corruption campaign" is not endearing himself to middle management and regional leaders. On top of that you've got the ever ready to blow Taiwan and Tibet situations with the added troubles of a Hong Kong seeking to more and more autonomy, which also undermines Xi's efforts to fight corruption/Zemin's faction, and increasing unrest among ethnic minorities and the students/youth. A slowing economy coupled with both rising dissatisfaction amongst the working class and a level of corruption that can only be found in Africa is also an area of alarm. Not too mention they are still reeling from the devastation that was the One Child Policy.

>>32977987
>No, a president profiting financially from payments given by forerign governments is unconstitutional.

Payments for value given is not a "gift"
Show me a court case ruling such a thing is unconstitutional

>>32978072
Chinese government being replaced by a new government doesn't end the country
Because a country is greater than the government, or its institutions.
A country is its PEOPLE, America has forgotten that, so America will cease to exist

Corruption is the norm outside the west, its only white people who value honesty or truth or whatever

>>32978086
America has never been ethnocentric.

From its inception they have been importing all sorts of groups, from freemen to slaves.

>>32978094
America was a explicitly white country up until very recently

You libs wanna lie and try to pretend the recent demographic changes that have been deliberately brought about have always been the norm.

>>32978086
>Payments for value given is not a "gift"

So Trump is giving them a non-profit price? No, no he's not. Therefore he's making money on the "payments for value given."

You're saying, if Saudi Arabia gives him $100, they're bribing him. But if they give him $500 for a hotel stay that costs him $400, then it's just business and everything is cool. No, it's fucking not. And you'd be screaming your shit-head off about it if it was Obama's hotel.

This is how bribes are done these days. No one drags out a suitcase full of cash. They give a cushy consulting job to your wife that pays $500,000/year and doesn't require her to actually do anything. They don't pay $10,000 to vote yes on that bill, they just pick up the tab for an all-inclusive two week vacation in the Bahamas. They don't give you a fat envelope of used $100 bills under the table, they go with your construction company when you bid on a job for them, and don't bother looking at the other bids put in. Shit like that. Pulling this "he's just getting payment for value given," marks you as the dumbest mark in this whole thread. Or someone totally corrupt who knows what Trump's doing and just doesn't give a shit because he's your boy and you're going to stick with him...

>>32978106
Wtf? When did the civil war happen again?

China would obliterate America in 2200, when America would has around 20% white population remain and basically a 2nd Brazil.I am Chinese BTW. China won't even need to change as long as she maintains 100 plus billion dollar defense budget a year.

>>32978318
all profits go to the treasury
no a billionaire can't be bought by giving his wife a job, or a vacation

The tax payer covers those things now

>>32969510
Do you honestly think Congress would approve the amount of money that the Zumwalts got if they were told it was just a testbed?

>>32972385
Hey, the man needs to sleep in. Sitting up and tweeting about the latest SNL takes a mans energy. SAD!

>>32963563
who chooses this gay music?

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>>32972486
>She had the flu on the trail. Whoop de fucking doo.

She fell over half-dead and you cuckolds spent the entire week pretending there was some sort of southern heat wave hitting New York.

Not that I'm complaining, it was a blast to watch that zombie shuffle.

>>32963563
Not yet, but they openly say that is their ultimate goal and are making strides to achieve that. Give them time. They'll be a force to reckon with.

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>>32977410
>You're not even white
Awww, is da widdle white supremacist mad that he was called out in a perfect on the nose response?

>>32978844
>She fell over half-dead
She had a little trouble getting into the car.Just like with the emails you just blew everything out of proportion.

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>>32978072
Nice memepost you casual The Economist reader

In reality China is officially growing 6.7%, which is way below private indicators showing 7-8%

>>32969587
>claim that the entire SCS is their territorial waters.
But China doesn't claim the entire SCs

>>32969859
China doesn't claim that

There's only 9 dashes. That picture has like 20.

Nice bait image though

>>32970510
Nice meme

In reality, China is STILL younger on average than the USA. Furthermore, Japan's economy has grown 125% ever since its working age population peaked in 1987.

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>>32979936
>>32979964
Here's your 3 yuan.

China is claiming a bunch of rocks that disappear at high tide as the basis of basically trying to take the entire SCS.