>daily reminder that you will never feel the wonderfully soft

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Truly the best AK platform.

The Swiss just make good shit.

>that knot on the barrel

Swiss engineering is best engineering

>>32942176

But what does it do?!

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>>32942155
>>32942175
Tfw when you feel the hammering of a full auto Stgw 90

>>32942222
Its for rifle grenades

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>$28,000

>>32942222
There's a little spring there. It was meant for rifle grenades, who never got purchased by the army and thus were never produced

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>>32942308
>>32942222
>>32942176

The once mockup picture I saw looked similar to the Belgian rifle nades.

>>32942302

Beautiful.
Seems expensive.
Is it because of the limited numbers in the USA?

The only things that are different really is a long heavy profile barrel.

The attachment for bipod on bayonet lug is common. The grip is meh-tier. The stock is superfluous as you can get a cheek riser from SAN Swiss Arms for their standard folding stock.

>Buy SIG 556 (or 551 if you're lucky)
>Get a 20in barrel made from a blank
>If you bought a 556, get a Swiss lower (if you bought a 551 nevermind this step)
>Get foregrip and gas system
>SG550 clone for less than half the price

>>32942352

>franken gun with non swiss made, non cold hammer forged barrel

Really not the same at all since their barrel is the real life of that rifle bro.

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>>32942416
I know. It's sad the ATF gets their panties in a knot over a fucking metal rod. I understand the upper not being something we can import from there, but the barrel seems like a little much.

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>you will never have an Israeli-made mil spec Tavor with cold hammer forged barrel

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>you will never own a pristine 1958 production Winchester 94 with A1 blueing.

>>32942347
Yep. Very few in the US.

How much do those cost where you are? And where are you?

>>32942511

$4200 Canadian monopoly dollars new plus taxes.

You can get an excellent condition one used with low round count for around $3000.

They retail for less here than in Switzerlamd. Which is nice.

>>32942347
George Bush Sr. banned scary salt weapons from foreign countries so we could sell more scary salt weapons made in the US.

Only a few got in so the demand has spiked the price up. I have never seen 28k though, 15k is what I last saw for one a few months ago.

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>>32942155
>tfw Canadian and can own these
feels good for once, you guys have better everything else though

>>32942533
Smuggle me a 550 in a box labeled airsoft parts when?

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>>32942560

We can have short barreled shotguns too without an ATF cuck-stamp.

Its a Norinco 870 clone if youre wondering.

>>32942563

Never
Dont want the RCMP shooting my dog.

>>32942175
It's not an AK derivative.

>>32942222
dildo

>>32942626

>but it is

>>32942155
Considering it's an unlined barrel with a fairly heavy profile, the accuracy really isn't surprising.

>>32942870
No, it's not. The only similarity in the action is that they're both long-stroke gas piston systems.

Literally everything else is different, even how the action is constructed is different.

>>32942222
>>32942634
ribbed for your pleasure

>>32942962

Its not an AK variant but the swiss literally took the AK and said "ok how do we nake this into a not shitty peasant rifle?"

>>32943076
You may as well be arguing that the Stoner took the AG42 and made the AR-15 from it.

That's how far removed from reality the claim that the Swiss had the AK in mind when designing the 550 is.

>>32943377
Go write Eduard Brodbeck. He designed it maybe he's still alive

>>32942477
AUG has a selection of barrel lengths, all CHF

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>>32942155
But I do anon

>>32942155
That feel when you own one in original green/grey. Black a shit.

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>>32944199

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>>32944199
That feel when you went from an awful green army one to a perfect Black Special one

>>32942302
> I could get a SG1 for 2k instead

>>32943705
It's also inherently better than jewshit bullpup.

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>>32944199
nice taste.
>>32944223
>>32944253
you guys are gay man, green and grey is sex

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>>32944199
>>32944376
Plebian taste detected

>>32942155
I could, but 3k€ was just too much for it. Bought an AR instead.

Well, if the ATF white paper is legit, then they might be reinterpreting 'sporting purpose' to include modern sporting rifles, and we might actually be able to get them again.

>>32942155
I'd buy a sig if it wasn't a
>that heavy,
>overpriced,
>with a mediocre trigger,
mountainjew meme gun

>>32944634
>heavy
4kg isn't what I would call heavy. The AR-15 is only .5kg lighter

>overpriced
That I can agree

>mediocre trigger
That's why when you buy it, the gunsmith fiddle with it before giving the rifle to you

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>>32942155
I've gotten as close as I can get

>>32944658
SCAR 17 is lighter

>>32944765
Yeah from .4kg and is as overpriced as the SIG550

>>32942155
>soft recoil
>surprising accuracy

There are are better on the SIG550 bnut you picked the ones an AR-15 is better by design.

>tfw when you never get a chrome-lined barrel on a SIG550

>>32944889
>what the fuck did I just read

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>>32944889
Wat

>>32944916
a yuropoor who cant speakadaengrish

>>32942155
Bros.
Even some people in the ATF agree that sporting is different today.
If we all agree on it being an AK variant, and AKs are sporting rifles, then, it stands to reason, that it would be importable.

Eventually man.
And maybe even as an SBR with a permanent suppressor so it's a full length gun...

>>32942962
>long stroke gas piston system
>rotating bolt locks up the exact same way
>stamped steel welded receiver
>rock and lock mag catch

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>>32944916
>>32944924
>>32944935

Okay i am trying to figure out what >>32944889 meant.

I think he wanted to say, that an AR-15 has by design a better accuracy and a "softer" recoil impulse.
With "softer recoil" I think he means the percieved recoil.

Since I don't really know what he means with "by design" when it comes to accuracy, the only thing I can imagine what could lead to a better accuracy on a DI-system is that there is no piston above the barell, what could lead to (theoretical) inaccuracy. A piston, that is connected to the barrel (like the AK or the SIG550) can influence torque as the barrel heats and interfere with barrel harmonics as the bullet travels down its length.

Regarding the "by design" less recoil, I think he wanted to say, that since all the moving parts on an AR-platform rifle are in a straight line, the recoil may be more "manageable". Or maybe he meant, that the AR uses a bigger recoil spring, idk. Or maybe he meant, that the SIG550 is very front heavy and thus it is not as easy to do quick follow up shots while standing.

But all that stuff is just very theoretical, and I can't say if there's any truth about it, since I only shot the SIG550 and not an AR yet.

Also he is right, the SIG550 doesnt have a chrome-lined barrel (unlike most AR-15) but what confuses me is, that a chrome-lined barrel would decrease the accuracy, so it is actually a plus on the SIG550 that it doesnt have a chrome-lined barrel?

>>32945208
>Also he is right, the SIG550 doesnt have a chrome-lined barrel (unlike most AR-15) but what confuses me is, that a chrome-lined barrel would decrease the accuracy, so it is actually a plus on the SIG550 that it doesnt have a chrome-lined barrel?
Correct. Most people on /k/ don't actually understand firearms, they just regurgitate the memes and shit they read all day. Chrome lining only helps with 1) maintenance and 2) durability of the barrel itself. It has a negative effect on accuracy, though, and a fair few nations that place a great emphasis on accuracy decided against chrome lining in their service rifles (for example Switzerland and Finland)

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>>32942175
???

>>32942155
Maybe we can, there repealing NFA

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/repeal-nfa

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>>32942155
>>32942155

Never?
>implying I don't already

SG550 series master race bros get in here

>>32945299
I have one.
>no last round BHO, no bolt release
>worse sights (still top tier though)
>worse ergonomics
>less modular
>more annoying to clean

Great rifle. But not better than the SG550.

>>32942155
>non-freefloated
Into trash it goes along with mountain jew "engineering"

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>>32945449
U mad?

>AR15 is lighter
>Cheaper
>Simpler
>More Accurate
>Objectively better

I tip my fedora to all you retards who jerk off to this archaic piece of shit

>>32945449

Please explain to me the advantages of free floating on this rifle when youd be hardpressed to find a more accurate semi auto service rifle anywhere else in the world?

Have you ever shot one with iron sights?
If you had, a real Swiss made one, youd shut the fuck up.

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>>32945652
>>Simpler
>>More Accurate
>>Objectively better

>>32945652

>lighter
Sure. With a shorter thinner profile barrel to boot. AR is a carbine, 550 is a full length service rifle with long stroke piston. The advantages are many.

>cheaper
You get what you pay for. Your AR's barrel will last 15k rounds. The 550s barrel is rated at 70 000.

>simpler
>shits where it eats
>"buffer tube"
The SIG is extremely simple and straight forward. Whats so complicated about it?

>objectively better
For which purpose?
If you want to just spray bullets ok?

>>32945652

>more accurate

Oh boy thats a good one.
No guns faggot confirmed

>>32945238
Yugoslavia and Hueland don't either, but it's because they're poor as shit.

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>>32945760
>30 round mag'
I should buy one. Switching mag' for 5 rounds is lame

I want a 540

>>32942496
I inherited a marlin 30as in .30-30 from my liberal grandpa who was obsessed with western movies.

I've read they are similar to mod94's.
What am I in for other that ammo prices and reloading?

>>32945827

Lot of fun to shoot.
30-30 has a nice kick to it.

>>32945824
The Manurhin has a weird color pattern though

>>32945824

540 looks like an early 2000s video game model with low polygon count and poor texturing compared to the 550.

>>32945871
Well the 540 is basically a 550 prototype so... pretty normal

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>>32945561
Yes, pls gib Stgw 57

>>32945886

>tfw you can buy Chilean made 540s and 542s in Canada

>>32945705
>The 550s barrel is rated at 70 000.

The SIG550 was only tested for 15,000
And btw, it has no chrome-lining nor inside-nitriding so I doubt it will last any longer

>>32945725
see >>32945208

>>32945906

Then you have no idea what youre talking about.

The Swiss regularly get into the 10s of thousands of rounds with their rifles with yearly sport shooting.

Its a CHF service rifle. Theyre made to last into the 50k+ range.

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>>32945906
>>The SIG550 was only tested for 15,000
>when the gunsmith explicitly tells you that the barrel is pristine until 45k and that you only need to change it past 70k

>>32944586
>ahegaoface.jpg

>>32945939
CHF alone is not going to get you 50,000 round endurance unless you have designed only for light firing schedules or your standard for accuracy is low.

Calibrating the latest batch of 550 given to our Jungschütze tomorrow morning; the process includes sticking a gauge down the barrel to estimate how many rounds the gun has shot. I'll try and be here to post what we find.

>>32946422
Pics of gauge and how it works would be interesting since it's measuring a rifled bore.

>>32946422

Nice.
Keep us.posted.

>>32946426
It's a simple conical gauge with numbers that we let fall into the chamber. Depending on the depth it falls we determine how degraded the rifling is

>>32946503
So basically its fucking rough and really wi only show you very heavy wear.

>>32946722
Hundredths of millimeters

>>32945665
Non-freefloat is outdated for this day and age.
How accurate is it? I keep hearing this but no technical data.

>>32942155
>daily reminder that swiss ball is great for target practice but garbage for everything else
>unlike the rest of 5.56 it actually was designed to be a non-lethal as a flying chunk of metal could be, the swiss consider effective terminal ballistics to be inhumane

>>32947618

10 year old swiss children can hit 10cm targets at 300 yards with irons.

You tell me.

>>32946426
>>32946503
>>32946722
he's describing a throat erosion gauge if you want to know how it works.

>>32947779
>it actually was designed to be a non-lethal as a flying chunk of metal could be

Is it because the twist rate on the SIG550 is just 1:10 twist?
Or what makes the SIG550 less deadly than an AR-15 technically speaking?

>>32947806

Hes talking about the swiss military ammo.

Rifle is excellent.

>>32947806
it was designed not to fragment or yaw, iirc it has a heavier jacket to prevent fragmentation. it just ice picks straight through, which 5.56 is notorious for but you don't get good terminal effect within what is otherwise considered preferred engagement range.
don't recall the reasoning for their special snowflake twist rate, whether it followed bullet design or vice versa or there was some desire to make their production undesirable but compatible to nato nations.

>>32947830
this, i'm just speaking of their military issue 5.56 ball ammo.

>>32945208
>SIG550 no chrome-lining

What? Is the swiss army really just using a match rifle as a standard issue rifle?

Didn't know that, somewhat changed my view on it though.

>>32944658
>4kg isn't what I'd call heavy
9 pounds before optics and accessories is pretty goddamn heavy compared to literally every other service rifle.
>the AR-15 is only .5kg lighter
Which fucking AR-15 are you comparing it to? Cuz the M4 is 6.36lbs/2.88kg, and the M16A4 is 7.18lbs/3.25kg. Most civilian, 16" barreled AR-15's are in the 6.5lb/2.95kg range.
>that is why when you buy it, the gunsmith fiddle with it before giving the rifle to you
Only and exclusively applicable in Switzerland. Buy it anywhere else and it comes in a box, no gunsmith to be seen. And even with a gunsmith trigger job it's longer, heavier, and creepier than an aftermarket AR-15 trigger.

>>32944782
>$3000USD vs, $15,000-28,000USD
>as overpriced
lol fuck no, at least not in America.

>>32945208
>with "softer recoil" I think he means the perceived recoil
Both measured free recoil and perceived recoil are less in a significantly lighter AR than they are in the SG550.

The measured free recoil is less due to significantly less reciprocating mass and the perceived recoil is less because there's both less measured free recoil to start with, and it's in line with everything.
>since I don't really know...
Obviously
>regarding the "by design" less recoil
Direct impingement will always have less measured free recoil than any other current repeating firearm design, full stop. Stoner knew this and this is why he selected it for a rifle originally intended to be used primarily in full auto.
>but all that stuff is just very theoretical
No, it's long-term known science that's both mathematically and real-world-experiment provable. Which has been done, repeatedly, with very consistent and predictable results.

>>32945665
>please explain to me the advantages of free floating on this rifle
Less outside influences to the mechanical repeatability of the barrel leads directly to more consistent groupings.
>when you'd be hardpressed to find a more accurate semi auto service rifle anywhere else in the world?
M16/M4/AR15 family. AR10 family. SCAR family. XCR family. AS-Val family. Pretty much every rifle that isn't HK or an AK derivative is mechanically more accurate.

The Sig gets its accuracy reputation from the match grade ammo the Swiss military uses. Feed it Federal M193 and accuracy is worse than almost every other 5.56 NATO service rifle, and conversely feed almost any other 5.56 NATO service rifle Swiss match ammo and it will do far better than its reputation would indicate.

>>32945725
Is true though.

>>32945705
>the 550's barrel is rated at 70 000
Before it's literally unsafe to continue using due to excess headspacing. It will have basically no visible rifling left by that point.

They use the exact same steels and exact same forging process for their barrels as about half the rest of the world, there is absolutely no possible way they are getting 3x the barrel life of an identical-except-chrome-lined barrel using the same standards for replacement threshold. It is literally mechanically impossible.

>>32945939
So is literally everyone else's service rifle though.

>>32947547
That is what the rest of the world would consider "its fucking rough" considering the rest of the world measures to ten-thousandths of an inch.

>>32947790
That's really not very fucking good though. And you said "can hit" not "can hit every shot without ever missing"
>10cm=3.94"
>target is 1.2573 MOA
The USMC expects noncitizen immigrants and niggers to be able to do that at 500 yards from an unsupported position with only a couple weeks of training with clapped-out and abused rifles.

>>32948212
Eh, hundredths of a millimeter is fine for a field gauge, which it sounds like their erosion gauge is.

Can AR fags please tell me why they shit on anything that isn't an AR when someone wants to get a new rifle? I get your gun is very good which is why people buy them, but sometimes people want something different.

>9 pounds
Golly, I wonder why it has soft recoil?

>>32948269

Literally sour grapes.

Theyve never fired a swiss made sig.

>>32948269
Because it's simultaneously the cheapest, lightest, softest recoiling, most accurate, most ambidextrous, and most easily modified quality general purpose rifle that exists.

It is commercially available in over 20 different calibers and can be modified to take over 100 different calibers without having to have a gunsmith individually modify any single part.

It can fulfill any role a rifle is capable of fulfilling from varmints to targets to people to dangerous game, and has been used to kill everything from weasels to whales.

I mean, if you want a non-AR rifle because you want a non-AR rifle, fine. But if you want a rifle that does [x], the AR does it better than any other rifle regardless of what [x] is.

>>32948308
The swiss can't change the laws of physics either.
Even a swiss made SIG550 will have by design
>more recoil
>heavier front
>less accuracy

And somewhile ago there was a thread here stating, that many swiss made SIG550 suffer rust problems on the gas tube.

>>32948308
If they were literally sour grapes how would they be typing??

>>32948331
But sometimes people want a rifle, that doesn't jam every 5 shots because it's annoying at the range

>>32948194

>SAN SWISS ARMS uses the same.materials and craftsmanship as mass produced US army m4s

Yeah.okay buddy.

Stay sour.

Keep your $1000 rifle and ill keep my $4000 rifle and you can keep having oodles of fun acting like your rifle is made to the same standards as mine.

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>>32948360
Sounds like the AR would be right for them.

>>32948360
I've been shooting a Stgw 90 for ages.

Never failed me once. Never.

Same with my Stgw 57.

>>32948362
So you're saying that SAN SWISS ARMS doesn't use foundry certified 4150CMV? Because their website says they use foundry certified 4150CMV, just like FN does.

Are you saying that the foundry SAN SWISS ARMS uses is somehow superior to the foundry used to make US military barrels?
Because FN and SAN SWISS ARMS use the same foundry.

>>32948360
>jam every 5 shots
Did you fish that AR out of a burning landfill or are you just a time travelling GI from somewhere in the first 2 or 3 years of the introduction of the M-16?

>>32948363
Nice 400chf poverty rifle

>>32948413
Jokes on you, I got it for free.

Stills shoots better than your 4K PE90, so I laugh.

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>>32948362
>acting like your rifle is made to the same standards as mine.

Theyre not the same standards. The m4 has chrome-lining.

>>32948413
>Stgw57
>400chf

By those standards, the PE90 is a 150CHF poverty rifle