Space will, eventually, be militarized. This is an inevitability.

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Alliance ships look like shit

>>32935794
Most likely would be either a new branch, or a large subdivision of the Navy.

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>Which branch of the military (for the US) would most likely be given control over space-borne weaponry, or even manned ships?

Before the Air Force became a thing it was part of the Amry. Then it became it's own thing.

I believe same will happen with space. Air Force will control it till it becomes Star Fleet.

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>>32935955
That's what I'm thinking. It kinda depends on what form it takes. Like if it's just a bunch of drones and unmanned satellites and shit I feel like the Air Force will probably just run all of that. If it's actually crewed "ships" it'll probably either be the Navy or the Space Navy. Hopefully they come up with something cooler sounding though
>tfw you will never see space battleships bombarding a planet surface to pave the way for dropships to land marines on the planet surface
why live

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>>32935914
>waah why don't alliance ships all have cherry-paneled smoking lounge rooms for officers

How did space prussians get so gay?

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>>32935794
*Jumps in from hyperspace behind you*

Heh, nothin personnel, kid..

>>32936107
>implying LoGH ships don't engage from roughly 1000x the distance that SW ships do

>it is logical to assume that humanity will carry our grudges into space.

However speculating on it is an utter waste because it's so far out nothing we know now will matter.

UNSC

>>32935794
Would it make sense to militarize NASA? They have a lot of infrastructure and a lot of smart experienced government employees.

Why does anyone think it would be the Navy building space ships? Space is the Air Force's domain.

>>32935794
Stargate says it's the Air Force.

>>32936159
>They have a lot of infrastructure
Not really, not anymore. NASA wastes all of their time and money these days sending routine missions to the ISS to do boring shit and monitors climate change. They've really become quite a joke. The military could build a new space agency from the ground up and they'd probably be better off than trying to get the retards at NASA to do it.
>>32936131
>it's so far out nothing we know now will matter
Not necessarily. There have been very plausible ideas since the 60s to create, for example, space stations equipped with nuclear warheads that could bypass early warning systems. Treaties have since prevented these for obvious reasons, but with the rise of dickheads like China who don't give a fuck, I wouldn't be surprised if within the next 50 years we have some type of permanent military platforms in space. Technology and bureaucracy isn't going to change so much in 50 years that military branches or the current limitations of space travel will no longer exist.

>>32935794
Chair Force, answer is pretty obvious.

>>32936159
I think initially yes, however, warfighting in space will shift to the Navy or Air Force
My monies on the Navy as the Air Force is more about experimental shit, I dont think its gonna be the Air Force

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>>32935794
Halo did it pretty right I think in your regard.
It would definitely start out as it's own branch, something like Space Command.

The question is, would Space Command also deploy troops for combat operations, or would it simply function as the logistics for the regular army/air force, such.

>>32936169
Because as of right now the Air Force is just in charge of things like satellites and the like. Once you start getting "ships" with crews large enough to necessitate a captain and the like, it seems to make sense that it would adopt a naval hierarchy. I mean look at it this way. Military spacecraft would likely be operating far beyond any resupply or support for prolonged periods of time. This is pretty similar to the way fleets used to operate, or at least lone frigates and the like. The Navy has more experience with giving standing orders and allowing commanders to determine their own course of action than the Air Force does, which has always had nearby air bases and whatnot.

>>32936200
I'm sure I'm being influenced a lot by science fiction, but it seems to make sense to me that a "space command" would basically have a department of marines under it that would operate much like the current Marine Corps does. But it's hard telling. It makes equally as much sense that they would just transport troops and atmospheric craft that are under the Army and Air Force. Perhaps Marines might just be used as security details aboard ship or as boarding parties or something

Air Force and Navy will cease to be separate entities. By this point "air superiority" and "naval superiority" will be archaic concepts.

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>>32935914

Say that to my face imperialist not online see what happens

>>32936067
>How did space prussians get so gay?

Gee I wonder.

>>32936117
Well they can't engage from 1000x the distance if the only warning they get is a sensor warning that three capital ships are exiting hyperspace within their targeting range.

Their only chance would be to hit them hard immediately as they exit hyperspace.

>>32936217
A lot of this needs to consider the state of affairs on the planet at that given time.
If we've somehow managed to either globalize or seperate the first worlds from the third worlds to the point where there is no more large scale fighting, i'd imagine the current US military would either be transformed into a sort of national guard, or just be incorporated into the new US Space Command, which would be the primary branch.

>>32936219
How would they be archaic? You'll still be incapable of landing massive numbers of personnel across the entire planet. More likely than not, spaceborne troops would be used to establish a "beachhead" from which ground troops, ships, and aircraft would do fighting like normal.

>>32935962
>Air Force

You guys are all fucked. There is only one group that deals with conditions that can be considered at all like space: Subs.
Out for long periods of time, with no easy resupply. Surrounded with extreme pressure instead of vacuum, but still closest thing we have here.
Complex systems that MUST WORK, all the time, or you are fucked (this is just an area where the Navy has a HUGE fucking advantage over any other branch).
Social management (IE, how to deal with people that are stuck together in a confined space for long periods of time). Again, Navy (esp subs) have a huge advantage in experience here.

If it goes to anyone else, they will fuck it up.

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Dont worry goy just use a giant metallic space ball fortress to defend your interstellar republic

also remember to trust the earthchurch and phezzan is our greatest ally

>>32936282
This. It's what I was trying to hint at with
>>32936205

The Navy has the most experience with operating independently for long periods of time

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>>32936277
Not him, but the navy would be pointless as all Air Craft Carriers/Destroyers will be in space now, with likely the ability to bombard the planet. Any navy would be very small craft used for stealth operations, possibly submarines would be good as well.

The air force would be archaic in the sense that you wouldn't have any aircraft that weren't capable of both space and atmospheric flight. The concept of bombers would probably be completely scratched since you could just move a capital ship over a planet and bombard the living shit out of it any which way you please.

Basically, those concepts are archaic because anyone who owns the atmosphere around the planet (I.e. has the most capital ships in orbit) will effectively control the planet.

You may have little skirmishes, primarily to do things like knock out shields or anti-orbital canons. But if shit really went south planetside, they'd just go full Darth Malak and bombard the planet into extinction.

Imo, it would be split between airforce for orbital stuff, with a naval style organisation for larger longer ranged vessels due to different logistical needs

>>32936328
Well it would make sense that you would probably still have an air force in terms of a planetary defense force. You can have craft that are capable of both space and atmospheric flight, but they will never be as good as something dedicated to one purpose or the other. That gives the defender a bit of an advantage and also a reason to still maintain a dedicated air force

>>32936370
That makes no sense at all...an aircraft that is capable of space flight vs an aircraft that is limited to the atmosphere would be a landslide.

All the dual capable fighter has to do is fly up. LoL, and with engines capable of breaking the atmosphere, you bet your ass it's going to be a lot faster than that F-16.

>>32936328

But what about conflicts between factions within a planet? If you're trying to pacify the rebellion of a single continent or something a space fleet won't help much, or at least it would be much cheaper and more convenient to maintain a planetary garrison force using conventional non-spacefaring equipment to deal with such small problems when the space fleet isn't around.

>>32936383
An aircraft capable of space flight is also going to be much heavier and likely less maneuverable than a pure-atmospheric design. It also takes a tremendous amount of fuel to get into space. At least with near-futuristic technology, a fighter traveling from its space carrier down to the surface would probably be designed as a one-way trip until they can refuel, or at best, just enough fuel for one trip back out of the atmosphere to dock with the carrier. It would be beyond impractical to give it enough fuel to constantly maneuver in and out of the atmosphere just for dogfighting purposes. It would be like the size of a B-52 with three times the weight

>>32936386
I believe once you get develop things like space fleets, control will no longer be country by country, but planet by planet, just due to the nature of things. We you can have large military ships anywhere around a planet in a manner of minutes, there's no point in having or fortifying individual countries.

>>32936472
We're looking at two different stages, you're looking at the beta stage, where we're switching over, I'm looking a couple of centuries ahead when Space fleets/combat is the norm. Access to different planets means access to different resources, we'd undoubtedly find some other type of more sustainable fuel.

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>>32936067
>Space Prussians
>gay
I have literally no idea what you're talking about.

>>32935794
>implying we wont be taken out by an asteroid in the 10-20 years
shiggy

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>>32936107
*nukes you*

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>>32936328
Yeah yeah, he who controls the orbitals controls the world.

The point is that the Navy has the neccessary experience with long missions with no resupply, complex systems and social integration. This is something that none of the other branches really has to deal with.

If you think a fighter jet is complex, take a look at a fucking nuke sub.

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>>32935914
>800 UC
>not having 32 forward neutron cannons

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>>32936637
>needing forward firing cannons

>>32936621
pashang yeah love this show hope to see the UNN whoop the MCRN

>>32936703

Oh right I forgot the only time an imperial ship can be found in battle is turned around and retreating

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>>32936737
>retreating
>not running headlong into a trap
It's like you never watched the show

>>32936472
Youd think by the time were advanced enough for all this you could use precision orbital railgun strikes as a fill in for CAS.

Im guessing there would need to be transport aircraft (once the troops are on the ground you are gonna need to move them around). Transports are vulnerable, so thats where fighter craft come in as escorts.

Im assuming they could have CAS functions but I think their primary purpose would be transport escort and elimination of enemy foghters.

Why have bulky manned aircraft that are capable of rentry and launch to orbit though? Why not just fire your infantry down in drop pods to secure a beech head, transports come down filled with vehicles, supplies, and swarms of small atmospheric craft. Why have a big easily targeted fighter when you can distribute that payload and firepower across a dozen smaller drones?

Why waste resources trying to build a "it does everything fighter"?

You have space based attack drones that are only for space, and you have smaller atmospheric drones for troop support and dropship escort.

Its cheaper and more effective to build something for each role than to try to build something that can only kinda do both.

>>32936768
How is an image ruining anything bruh?

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>>32936768

>>32935794

Watch some Stargate. My bet is on Airforce.

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>>32935794
Reminder that Bladerunner is before Prometheus, Alien, Aliens & Alien 3, which are before Firefly, which is before Alien Ressurection, which is before Serenity.

The Scott-Whedon universe is the best sci-fi universe.

>>32936787
>he actually thinks man will fight and die in the stars
>not machines

Angry NASA

>>32936946

NASA is always angry that's why they keep firing rockets at space

they hate space

>>32936107
>Implying you didn't come out of hyperspace too close to the system

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All your forward facing death rays are no match for my rusty space carrier of doom.

It pisses me off when in a space opera these enormous ships can apparently bend space-time or whatever to move near instantaneously, but use dinky fucking missiles and direct energy weapons for combat.

Surely they would use the magical reality bending technology that allows it to jump for fucking unmaking their target instantly.

>>32937033
I dont know why, but this made me laugh my ass off more than it should have.
>The rocket cruises into space after a sucessful launch
>as it hits the vacume of space it detonates in a brilliant ball of fire and destruction
>the project lead watches, gripping his coffee cup in hands trembling with bareley contained rage
>"fuck you space" he whispers to himself as tears of rage bead up in the corners of his eyes
>someday, they will find a way to destroy the black void of nothingness that has defied them for so long.

>>32937114
P.S: Scott Orson Card had the right idea in Ender's Game with the "md device".

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>>32936721
It's going to be great.

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>>32937114
Kinda like the death beams in the hyperion cantos.

Basically its an offshoot of drive tech that extends an invisible cone of distorted extra dimensional space/quantum funkyness that fries nuerons.

Basically focuses a pocket dimension into a searchlight-like beam where physics are so fucked up human brains cannot exist, leaves the enemy ship/city untouched but fries all organic brainmatter.

I mean the technobabble behind it is so much word salad sprinkled with the word quantum here and there, but yeah. If you can summon the magnitudes of energy to fistfuck your way past physics and hop around the galaxy why not channel those kinds of energies into exotic weapons?

>>32937174
>hyperion cantos
Hey, I've gotta read those. I've recently read starship troopers and half of the "ember war saga" back-to-back in a space opera binge, and from your post it sounds like my kind of novel.

By the way, one thing I'd like to see in any story where there's an ability to open a "worm hole" between two remote locations is someone opening a portal between the center of a nearby star and an enemy. Should produce a cone of intense radiation and gravitational pull right?

>>32937248
I think they did that in Stargate, or something similar.

>>32937248
They're good books, his other series (illium/olympos or something) isn't so much space combat as far future human type stuff.

Forever war, has some cool ideas about the issues dealing with speeding up/slowing down and firing maneuvering missiles over space.

It actually depends.

Starting out, it would likely be the Air Force.

It depends though. If we have space craft simply to act as weapon platforms, like nuclear warheads housed in small satellite installations, then it would remain in the hands of the Air Force. In fact it wouldn't be at all surprising if the Air Force has already developed or attempted to develop such projects.

If we have expanded and have colonies on other planets, meteors, and moons then it would probably be more of a Navy/Marines thing since you would need a branch focused on vessel support (Navy) and a branch focused on rapid deployment of ground forces in foreign ecosystems (mother fucking Space Marines dawg)

>mfw going Air Force
>mfw best branch with best space tech

>>32937468
>They're good books, his other series (illium/olympos or something) isn't so much space combat as far future human type stuff.
I don't mind that, as long as it's good. I'll read Hyperion after I finish Cat's Cradle and see where I'll go from there. Thanks senpai.

>>32936328
Come to think of it, why doesn't someone just say "fuck the space neutrality and shit" and secretly build the world's first orbital bombardment platform?
A few anti-missile defences and it would be virtually untouchable.

>>32935794
In the future maybe we will have some kind of battle ship, but in my opinion the humanity will have evolved so much and reached a certain point that that the technology will be something that our current minds, even the ones of the Sci-Fi creators, couldn't even imagine...So it's almost impossible to do this kind of forecast

>>32937174
I really should read again this amazing serie

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It'll never happen. We already have shit for this.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Space_Treaty

>>32937248
In an obscure fleet combat game called sword of the stars humans have a special hyperdrive that requires special shielding to survive the transit.

So they came up with a weapon that simply sends the enemy ships into hyperspace, if unshielded they dont survive transit, if shielded they are dumped lightyears away from combat.


And the hyperion cantos was pretty cool. I think col kassad strapping up into power armor to beat the shit out of the shrike is one of the more badass scenes in scifi.

The shrike is another neat example of exotic weaponry. Capable of shredding entire planetary populations because it can manipulate time, so to an outsiders perspective this thing just appeared literally everywhere at once for long enough to disembowel them.

In earnest it was only in 1 place at a time, but across as many timelines as it had victims. Plus, since its able to communicate to itself both into the future, and into its past, and can also traverse between the two destroying it doesnt mean its gone, it can just teleport back from a point in time where it wasnt destroyed and continue its rampage.

>>32936721
>being an earther welfare leech
We're going to drunk up your oceans pretty boy

>>32937603
>In earnest it was only in 1 place at a time, but across as many timelines as it had victims. Plus, since its able to communicate to itself both into the future, and into its past, and can also traverse between the two destroying it doesnt mean its gone, it can just teleport back from a point in time where it wasnt destroyed and continue its rampage.
Reminds me of the "Incanters" from neal stephenson's Anathem.

>>32937595
That is obviously a paratrooper.
Have the italians descended into cannibalism?

Also what if some nation says "fuck that sheet of paper"?

>>32936205

That's how it works in sci fi, in real life there wouldn't be large crews because the "ships" designed to fight wars in space would be designed to fight wars in space, not make a cool sci fi setting.

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>>32937699
This. I think the best description of future space warfare Ive heard is "mostly automated eggshells ponderously navigating space and firing at targets so far away as to be completeley out of view."

Once you get dealing with those kinds of vast distances and immense destructive power it ends up boiling down to who can detect and fire on whom first.

We already HAVE tech that can fire at orbital distances. Be it gravity slingshotting fleets of missiles out to mars, or casaba howitzers which detonate a nuke and channel the energy into a near light speed particle beam that could be lethal to crews of spacecraft at solar distances, and outright oblitorate spacecraft at ranges like from the earth to the moon.

Casaba howitzers were designed in the 80s, their math and physics show that theyd be able to focus megaton yields onto a .02 degree cone at ranges from low orbit around earth out to mars.

They were gonna arm a bunch of satellites and unmanned attack craft with em as part of the starwars program.

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>>32937595

And everybody knows treaties NEVER get broken :^)

>>32937776
>Casaba howitzers
Read up a bit on those and I now have a boner

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It would probably start off as an extension of the navy, but the first fleet launched would quickly betray its home country. I think that anyone who was given an opportunity like that would want to seize power for themselves.

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Imperium of maaaaaaan!

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Most likely the chair force until ships get big enough for navy customs and training to apply.

2-10 man crew the AF can handle 10- 100 then you need naval training.
Like the anon above said, the submariners are already living this shit. So they'll likely be the natural choice.

>>32935794
>Space will, eventually, be militarized. This is an inevitability.
Nah, we're going to die on this rock.

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Is anyone read or done with the Expanse series.

I imagine it will unfold similar to that.
Once we occupy more than one planet then we'll start dividing up space accordingly.

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>>32936107
hehe not bad kid

>>32938894
I'd love it if at some point we just renovated subs to be spaceships.

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>>32938936
Sad but most probable future for mankind.

>>32935985
call it the Aerospace Corp, maybe?

>>32939441
Maybe slap union or something on the front to appease those damn dirty hippies.

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>>32936768
Hey

>>32937776
Radars cannot detect steath fighters at 20 miles away, TODAY

Why do you believe that they will be able to detect stealthed objects hundreds of thousands of miles away ?

Even doing shit like finding satellites in orbit is very hard.

>Be it gravity slingshotting fleets of missiles out to mars
Gravity sling shot is not magic has to be planned out/only can launch at certain times/only go certain places.. and its slow as fuck

So you triple your travel time to slightly reduce the original needed delta-v

>>32937152
>>32937171
God damn I was getting sweaty watching that, great fucking space fight, pretty believable too. Minus how those gatling guns ripped through the other ship, I guess they're all lightly armored?
The Expanse really nails it on the head for me, hope they keep it up. Haven't seen the one that aired yesterday

>>32939537
Oh I'm an idiot, I thought that was the gunship fight...

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>>32939441

>the Union Aerospace Corporation
this will not end well

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>>32935794

Navy but only at first. Military would be consolidated into Space Command.

Land forces become
* Light (Army)
* Heavy (Marines)

Air Force disappears since it gets subsumed into combined Navy role with the Space Command.

a separate Patrol division may get established which focuses on speed, recon and home defense
- we might consider this to be a combination of Coast Guard, Army, and Air Force in terms of their legacy

> ----- Why Navy? -----

Because spaceships would be the carriers and forward operating bases. However they move around and are considered to be ships.

The "mothership" or "battleship" is a space transport but it also acts as a heavy weapons platform and a place for smaller ships to restock (or refuel, if fuel is still a thing).

The concept of a Military Base is a static immovable structure - air force base, army base, national guard armoury, you name it.

While these may be established, its the larger Ships that will still form the backbone of the space military.

There are some rules of logistics that simply cant be ignored, if you have a bigger ship you can put bigger weapons on it. And if you dont, somebody else will.

This allows you to do alot of damage to one target, or outfit with a ton of different weapons that can take on a large number of targets (similar to the super star destroyer).

Carriers are also Siege Weapons.

This trope was averted somehow in Star Trek and I cant see how, since they would have to assume fights with the klingons and rombulans would demand to have a large capable ship that could one-shot others with megaphasers (which ironically they did concede in the TNG series finale in a hypothetical future)

Logic simply suggests, and no spock pun here, that if somebody can make a bigger one with a bigger gun they will.

Even if it has no other purpose than to sit around and collect dust until its used (and in star trek even a ship like that could be used for something like transport in its off time).

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>>32939523

While glancing at future tech you failed to note improvements in Sensor technology which would probably be important for there to be much space travel in the first place.

I have no problem forseeing the ability for us to just detect the presence of things because it Exists in a spot and has Atoms.

And moreover to be able to detect what kind of molecules and elements its made of.

> this will likely also uncover the capability to make an FTL drive, not that it goes faster than light, but that it just ends up somewhere else really quickly, the ship may not even technically "go faster" in terms of velocity as a result.


Also put away the talk about rocket engines because any sufficiently advanced civilization which has a militarized space fleet probably isnt even going to be using FUEL for its ships much less Thrusters (much less thrusters with such a poor thrust to fuel consumption ratio as ours)

Its just a logistical issue that it cant be pulled off with current TIER technology.

Militarized space will not be a bunch of little satellites and paper mache re-entry vehicles. Thats current tier shit, not next gen stuff.

> and you can forget Ion Drives and Reactionless Drives like the kind we theorize building right now
> they lack the proper acceleration to be feasible... but it may be a couple stairsteps on the way to having a truly functional space civilization.

I guess this comes down to what kind of sci-fi genre you're considering in terms of Militarized Space.

I dont personally see ANYTHING LIKE what we have or could achieve with our current tech, even within the next 60 years of development at its current rate...

To be worthy of considering it a society where the space issue is well... even worth considering.

The Gundam series (space colonies, short solar system reach) is even below the tier of tech im thinking of, and its still militarized space with hulking armored spaceships.

>>32939847
>I have no problem forseeing the ability for us to just detect the presence of things because it Exists in a spot and has Atoms.

Ah ok, it'll happen because magic

>>32939847
This is retarded. We're not talking about crazy magic shit for like 4000 years from now. We're talking about the near future, when space is first starting to become militarized. Nobody is going to have a quantum magic ice cream particle engine or super amplituded photonic devastator beam in the next couple decades or even centuries for that matter.

>>32936225
This is why any major fleet would have interdictors to stop warp ins.

Say what you want about the sequels, Mass Effect really does a lot of good for the idea of militarized humans in space. They put a lot of love into the lore and it was a shame to see it fall to the wayside in favor of another shooter game with some RPG elements.

The blurbs about how humans were the only race with carriers, and in general how they actually understood that space battles would be fights of attrition and heat displacement were really nice touches.

>>32940031
>magic
>it'll work just like muh video games
>physics? who needs it

>>32939523
>>32939847
>>32940014
>>32939923

Stealth in space is impossible.

http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/spacewardetect.php

Educate yourselves.

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>>32940073
The sequels were fine. Mass Effect 3 was even good right up until the ending that basically invalidated everything you just did for the past 5 years. But yeah I love the Mass Effect lore too. They use just enough technobabble to make it hold together without sounding ridiculous. Like the Element Zero shit being the reason that spacecraft have artificial gravity, and we see that that goes away if you lose power. Not to mention it was a very "realistic" in its structure and everything. As far as I remember, all of the individual countries and everything back on Earth still existed, but the Systems Alliance kinda served as an international body to project and protect humanity into other systems. Kinda like a big giant UN with actual power

Fuck, I miss Mass Effect. Hope they don't fuck up Andromeda
>you will never relive the meeting with the Prothean VI on Ilos again for the first time, or the dialogue with Sovereign when he revealed his true nature

>>32935794
Actually the Air Force started out as 'Air Service; United States Signal Corps', only in early 1918 did it become the U.S. Air Service

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>>32940252

>>32940159
That whole page is an autistic rant and is also full of a lot of bullshit. I don't give a shit if, in theory, you can detect anything in space. Yeah, that's true. In practice, there is no god damned way in hell you can pinpoint an object hundreds of thousands of miles away with any kinda of accuracy to hit it if it is using any kind of heat sink or decoy or anything like that. Yes, space is empty, and being empty means it is very easy to see things, but you're just being retarded. By this logic, we should be able to pick up a cooked turkey orbiting the Moon. Because, after all, it's emitting IR radiation and there's nothing between here and there to obscure it!

Not to mention that entire rant basically hinges on the assumption that the target ship in question is actively using its thrusters or has just cut them. No shit, you aren't going to be very stealthy will 6,000K exhaust coming out your ass. But more likely than not a ship would burn into a particular orbit or whatever, dissipate or sink its heat, and then "coast." Submarines do this too already, they will occasionally find an underwater current and ride it, reducing their prop speed or cutting it entirely so they're effectively almost entirely silent.

That whole blog post comes off as if it was written by a very autistic angry guy who just finished a 100 Level physics course and thinks he knows everything about electromagnetism and military sensor arrays

>>32940203
I need to replay all those again.
The constant mystery about the infinitely many past civilizations and "reaper cycles," and beautifully detailed environments including genuinely interesting planet descriptions made those games for me.
And with me3, even the dlc was very worth the cost. Excellent missions rivaling the best story missions through the series.

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>>32940288
>>32940159
And actually, several times throughout that stupid shit he contradicts himself by saying there may be a way around these problems but that the technology "does not yet exist."

No fucking shit the technology doesn't exist yet, that's why we don't have giant space submarines killing each other 400 miles above us. We're talking about the future when potential technologies to solve these issues may or may not exist

>Man cannot fly, it's simply impossible! Even if he were somehow able to create more lift than the force of gravity pushing down on him, it would require some kind of very strong metal frame for his wings. That kind of technology simply does not exist

>>32940203
Or explore an open wasteland planet in the Mako with your Space Bro and Blueberry waifu

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>>32940288
>That whole blog post comes off as if it was written by a very autistic angry guy who just finished a 100 Level physics course and thinks he knows everything about electromagnetism and military sensor arrays

Its mostly just compilations of what a bunch of actual stemfags who also happen to be sci-fi nerds have said in regards to stealth in space.

>But more likely than not a ship would burn into a particular orbit or whatever, dissipate or sink its heat, and then "coast." Submarines do this too already,

see pic

>>32940324

You keep referring tp 'him', nice reading comprehension there. Notice how all the pretty boxes have names underneath them? Its different people.

You havn't actually provided a workable solution to achieve stealth in space.

>>32940320
I hated ME3 mostly because it just fucking ruined the whole mythos behind the Reapers. It might have made a few sperglords bitch and cry, but I would have much preferred that they made no attempt to explain the Reapers or they're purpose. That was the coolest thing about them. I still remember Sovereign's line from ME1
>Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding
And then Vigil on Ilos
>In the end, what does it matter? It is your goal to stop them, not to understand them

It was so cool to me to think that they were these somehow infinitely old creatures, evolved beyond any kind of a label, that existed solely to serve some kind of purpose that mortal beings simply can't fathom.

And then Bioware (with EA's help, I'm sure) ruined all of that by giving us the retarded Star Child and telling us the Reapers are just dumb robots made by an old robot to make sure organics don't make dumb robots that kill them forever

...kay. What the fuck about that is beyond comprehension for mortal beings?

>>32940324
It's also like, they project ahead for new technologies and always fail to understand how those new tech will totally revamp society

If we have cheap easy fission/fusion power, the whole world is different
Not just that ships have more delta-v...

>>32939230
There's a book series where they did that, turned subs into stealth raiders and carriers into massive dreadnoughts. All sea ships on Earth were converted into space going fighting ships because the other civilizations in the galaxy were using ships made out of polymers and light ceramics instead of metals, so it gave them a massive armor advantage with the way ship weapons and combat were conducted before humans got off Earth. It was the Alexander Galaxus series. Definitely not hard scifi, but a good adventure type with some good HFY.

>>32940364
>You havn't actually provided a workable solution to achieve stealth in space.
I could easily come up with something on the spot and talk out of my ass, but that's not the point here. The point is that it is quite literally impossible to fathom any kind of future technology that would make these things possible. I don't really give a shit what a bunch of angry nerds on the internet has to say. For every one of these naysayers I'm sure the military has already had 30 people work on solutions to these issues.

The thing in particular you just posted shows how the author is extremely narrow in his thinking on how space combat would play out. Large engines are neither needed nor recommended for minor trajectory changes in Earth orbit. A ship could easily use RCS fuels to maneuver to intercept an enemy craft without generating enough heat to be detected. Furthermore, nobody in here has said that stealth is even a necessity for space combat. Modern day ships are not stealthy in any way, at least not yet. You can easily see them on radar. Modern naval combat focuses more on defeating enemy weapon systems with countermeasures and having weapon systems that they in turn cannot counter.

And again, show me a sensor that can detect a steaming hot turkey in the vacuum of outer space from thousands of miles away and I will personally get down on my knees and suck your tiny dick.

That whole page is a rant by a nitpicking nerd. Excuse me, several nitpicking nerds, who seem to be dead set on believing that people only imagine one form of space combat ever existing. They make a lot of assumptions.

>>32940110
Even Star Wars, the very franchise that you were 'muh hyperspacing' uses interdicters.

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>>32940469
Also if the enemy has omniscient sensors everywhere, wouldn't the first objective be to destroy these sensors before moving your ships in?

>>32937248
>>32937603
If you want well done space combat without absolute sperg levels of realism check out the Odyssey series by Evan Currie.

>>32937651
>m-muh dust
stay mad mickey you only got to build your planet because we paid for you to go there


>also implying free government drugs arent based

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>>32935985
>Cosmo Navy

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>>32936067
That was a cool scene, BSG had stellar battles.

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>The point is that it is quite literally impossible to fathom any kind of future technology that would make these things possible.

No shit.

>A ship could easily use RCS fuels to maneuver to intercept an enemy craft without generating enough heat to be detected.

They cover this early, you can still detect minor manoeuvring thrusters from very far away.

>And again, show me a sensor that can detect a steaming hot turkey in the vacuum of outer space from thousands of miles away and I will personally get down on my knees and suck your tiny dick.

Succ.

>That whole page is a rant by a nitpicking nerd. Excuse me, several nitpicking nerds, who seem to be dead set on believing that people only imagine one form of space combat ever existing. They make a lot of assumptions.

Its just an interesting hard sci-fi site, don't get so triggered by it. Obviously they are wrong and future technology will invalidate most of it, so? Should we just never talk about anything related to technology in the future because we are probably going to be wrong about it? Whats the point of this thread then? If you skimmed down the bottom you will actually find a very long segment about possible stealth ship designs which might actually work using real science(tm), most topics including stealth have many segments which show 'dissenting' and different viewpoints.

>>32940768
meant for>>32940469
im retarded

>>32940768
They know exactly where to look for voyager
and it's beaming a transmission right at them

No they couldn't find a dark fucking space ship at 11 billion miles

Nor pinpoint the real object out of thousands of decoys

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>>32936107
*destroys all three in one shot*

lol scrub.

>>32940203
>The sequels were fine.
Like hell they were.

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>>32936131
As OP speculated, it might be five decades or five centuries until we have the technology and desire to militarize space.
We've been killing each other for 2 million years, I highly doubt we're gonna stop in the next few hundred just because some hippies wanna screech about peace and shit.

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>>32937595
How the fuck are you gonna enforce that treaty to someone who has orbital weapons? write them a stern letter of your disdain?

>>32936768
this thread was shit before the first captcha was solved.

>>32940854
In the future we will all be post-racial secular liberals! Lets just ignore that these liberals are a dying breed in the west, and have no presence in 90% of the world

>>32937540
that's a good way to start a war you might not be prepared to win.

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>>32940940
Really think somebody is gonna fuck with you if you have orbital weapon systems in place?

>>32940791
oh i love you "yuh huh you can have stealth in space" guys, you're so obstinately stupid.

Until a future technology comes along and disproves the laws of thermodynamics you will always be a scientifically illiterate idiot

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>>32937093
hel is a pleb tier ship

>>32940818
I never could figure out why a station designed specifically as a defensive fortification to be used in case of a seige would be covered in floor to cieling windows.

>>32941036
how many orbital platforms will you get operational before your enemy spams icbm's at you?

if that doesn't work, are your elementary schools impervious to suicide bombers?

war is hell. you start one by grossly destabilizing the whole planet, don't be surprised when the whole planet finds a way to hurt you, no matter how low they have to go to do it.

>>32939537
>I guess they're all lightly armored
Of course. It's space. It's the delta v problem. More armor means more mass, which means more fuel needed to maneuver, which means you need more fuel to do move more, which means less distance. It's a vicious cycle. If you put too much armor on your ship, it won't be able to do much without using up too much fuel or not being very agile in a fight. So you're better off making it less armored and maneuverable, with system redundancies to make up for anything lost in a fight.

>>32936621
>>32936721
>>32937152
>>32939537
>>32939590
The Expanse is pretty fun, but, it annoys the fuck out of me a major plot point revolves around stealth in space. They might as well have centered it around reversing entropy.

Every battle was a knifefight in a phonebooth too, because PDWs look cooler onscreen. Realistically, it would be everybody sitting about for days waiting for interceptor missiles to hit days after they're detected, and a few days after their own defensive interceptor missiles succeeded/failed.

And they wasted the stealth tech on ships for LOL OUT OF NOWHERE pdw point fucking bank shit to death when they could have just slapped it on said ACV/missiles with nuclear payloads.

Also, railguns a shit in space. Same reason heavy chemically propelled rounds would be limited: Railguns eat their rails, so you have to carry waste mass. The reason the military has a hardon for them right now is because they're still cheaper than a bunch of smart missiles.
>Check official show wiki
>"Also called a gauss gun"
GOD FUCKING DAMN IT
Gauss guns also a shit. They're so inefficient they're barely even toys.

>>32936621
Right in the obelisk

Railguns, nukes, or nukes launched from railguns fired over hundreds of KM.

the guys with the best detection capability win, weapons are so advanced that development of countermeasures would be pointless, detection and targetting are literally all that matter and are so insanely perfect that actual wars never occur.

also alien life is never discovered after hundreds of years of space exploration, mankind is never substantiated and we all kill ourselves ending the pointless existence of a failed species doomed to stagnate in this form of evolutionary "endgame" isolation

>>32942095
>actual wars never occur.
Hypervelocity projectiles at colonized planets. That's about it. "Orbital bombardment" is a misconception that it's even necessary to sit in orbit to achieve the same effect accurately. Although it's definitely not hard-scifi, aliens sitting on a Pluto base bombarding the Earth in Yamato 2199 was probably the most practical spacewarfare I've seen in recent memory.

Pretty much every "realistic" analysis of space warfare I've seen concludes missiles/ACVs across weeks like a fucking football game trying to intercept while making it to the target. Like football, a fuckton of waiting for seconds of action. Everything but grand strategy would have to be AI controlled due to reaction speeds involved nearing interception.

Boring as shit, yeah.

>>32942095
>alien life is never discovered after hundreds of years of space exploration
This is objectively false. We will likely see alien life discovered on Europa and other places in our lifetime.

Intelligent life, probably not. But it's becoming more and more likely that life is elsewhere.

>>32942228
Am I the only one secretly hoping the fucktarded Planet of Hats trope is actually par for course?

Navy is already the branch that handles space stuff. It'll be Navy.

>>32941205
>Interbus Stratios
HNNNNNNG

>>32942228
Scientists think they are already picking up alien light-pulse broadcasts from hundreds of different sources actually.

For a long time they thought it might be regular background clutter but as telescopes and computerized clutter-cutting software improved they realized the signals were incredibly powerful, too regular, and spread out amongst several hundred stars that all more or less could posess livable conditions around them.

They tentativley stated that aliens might be friggin everywhere, but that they dont want to shit the bed and freak out about something that turns out to be an undiscovered natural phenomena.

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Trump is already putting the first plans together to control the cosmos. It'll be the best anyones ever seen, Believe me.

>>32941046
You people have no idea of the difficulties of detection in space

Big detection arrays will be physically large & costly too

>>32942009
Stealth materials are so fucking expensive (read: rare) that they start a war over some belters stealing it (against the wrong people). Would you really put that on some disposable missiles instead of reusable ships?

>>32942009
>not having regenerative rails

lmao d you even future

>>32941046
Didn't they detect it as a thermal anomaly?

Was the stealth ship designed to absorb energy and not emit an IR signature?

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>>32936067
I would fucking serve as a Colonial Marine on a Battlestar in a heartbeat holy shit softlock Raptor insertions while patrolling space shipping lanes from pirates and then tracking the pirates down in the battlestar back to their asteroid hide out to give them option of surrendering or being roasted by the 405mm rail guns affixed on the hull would be a fucking dream come true. Also it would prob be a mixture of Navy, marines and Airforce in the Space Forces. Fuck the Army.

>>32935794
Air Force and Navy will merge.

Smaller space craft will be commanded/controlled like air plane - air Force , larger craft will be commanded more like naval ships or subs - navy.

space is literally already the purview of the air force and there is literally no reason it would become the purview of the fucking navy, jesus christ

it ESPECIALLY wouldnt become marines. do the marines even have their own ships?

>>32944587
>not even hiding the greenscreen section of your set

>>32935794
New branch but with Navy influence due to the nature of living on a spaceship for extended periods.

>>32936225
LoGH uses hyperspace too.

>>32936186
>The military could build a new space agency from the ground up and they'd probably be better off

I fucking wish a bigger would. Raise my taxes 10%, if it went to military spaceships I'd never know about, I wouldn't fucking care. Imperium of Man WHEN?

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>>32940159
http://toughsf.blogspot.com/2016/10/the-hydrogen-steamer-stealth-spaceship.html

ooops

looks like you can have stealth

>>32935794
Air force will probably take over the Marines from the navy and the two will merge and head off into the stars, Leaving the army and navy here to be homebodies.

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>>32940818
destroys it all with millions of shots

>>32937114
The best answer for not doing that I've read is that hyper engines are extremely fucking expensive and fucking yuuuuge as well. Missiles are much too small to mount engines, and very few ships can be build.

>>32943412
>Scientists think they are already picking up alien light-pulse broadcasts from hundreds of different sources actually.

Citation fucking needed

>>32935794
You come up with this awesome concept and you're worried about which branch is going to do it?

Space will never be colonized so long as colonization is demonized. NASA is more worried about filling a diversity quota than it is about putting life on Mars.

>>32947267
http://www.space.com/34541-alien-life-search-possible-seti-signals.html

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>>32947293
Sad!

I will fix it!

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>>32947330

>you will never forge Elon a sword out of Martian iron and pronounce him First Emperor of Mars as hundreds of colonists thrust battle rifles into the alien sky

>>32947293
Its a good point. NASA likes to get all high and moghty like they werent originally founded to give captured nazis who built V2 missiles with slave labour a place to work.

My grandpa worked as an electrical engineer on the original apollo lander, his claim to fame was being part of the team that built that big simulator room you see in the apollo 13 movie. Says that they basically just improved on a bunch of military tech and that the goal of the original space race was always military in nature.

Rocketry translated into ICBMs, satellite tech for surveillance, and that the capsules all carried depth charges hidden on board in case one sunk and the soviets tried to recover it.

space is covered by maritime law so the navy

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>>32936768
Where do you think you are?

>>32942009
>And they wasted the stealth tech on ships for LOL OUT OF NOWHERE pdw point fucking bank shit to death when they could have just slapped it on said ACV/missiles with nuclear payloads.
The stealth materials are ludicrously expensive. You don't put those on one shot weapons.

>>32947760
>a STEALTH SHIP, only mars can make those!

Mars proceeds to never field a single stealth anything for the rest of the series.

>>32942009
They do a pretty good job of plot-patching to explain it though.

The stealth ship that btfos the martian flagship is deliberatley trying to board and capture the intel that the captured crew of the canton posesses because they need to get close to jam transmitting capabilities to be 100% sure the intel doesnt get sent somewhere else.

In the assault on the bad guys station the stealth tech on the bad guy's ship means they cant target it with torpedoes at long range.

Only plot hole I dont like is how mars supposedly has such an advantage due to thier grasp of stealth tech but for the whole series they pop up on peoples sensors left and right. Even belter garbage barges seem to be able to detect them from orbital distances.

Youd think for all the hullabaloo everyone makes about martian stealth tech the writers could be bothered to actually throw a martian stealth ship into the mix atleast once.

>super secret martian delta seal ranger space shuttle door gunners use a stealth ship to infiltrate an enemy base and wreck shit when?

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>>32948148
>>32948225
IIRC, Earth just blew up the R&D/production facility along with the rest of Deimos.

>yfw you live in a dome and suddenly one of your moons is falling

>>32937058
*gets choked*

>>32937152
>>32936621
Is season 2 out yet? I can't remember seeing these particular scenes, but it has been a while since I watched it.

>>32950046
s02e01-03 are already out

>>32950116
Damn. How to watch in Australia?

>>32935794
NASA.

>>32950351
I think due to earth curvature effecting shooting angles you gotta stand on your head to watch it properly.

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>>32944587
I love the Raptor.

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It's not inevitable if humans trigger a global thermonuclear holocaust

>>32940326
>blueberry

shit taste

>>32935794
>shitty digital cammie pattern
wtf

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an another question: why big ships with a crew of 2400 when you can have a KI operated drone ship? it could reach a speed beyond every known phsyics..

Autodesk’s automated design software generates already KI optimized structures by itself.

>>32950430
Nay-Sa owns space, space people, maybe you heard of them?

>>32950480
This thing is fucking awful, why didn't your mother abort you whilst she had the chance?

>>32946356
>the only greenscreen is the outside where all the spess is

Not bad considering how nowadays the entire room would be green.

>>32941205
surely you dont actually fly that garish overpriced piece of space trash

>>32950870
>it could reach a speed beyond every known phsyics..
Anon, it's time to put the bong away.

>>32951575
Stratios can be pretty good. Covert Ops Cloak and better stats because its a faction cruiser.

Could be fun until we go interstellar, but beyond that point interplanetary warfare becomes relativistic, and the winner is whoever shoots first.

>assuming of course you don't both shoot, and both of your species are wiped out

>>32936328
Hint, a space fighter would look like this, not anything manned or designed for maneuvering.

>>32937248
The Culture does something similar, but instead of "open wormhole from star to target" it's "open wormhole from the impossibly energetic space between universes to target".

Gridfire's a helluva drug.

>>32947368
no one will. he will not allow any of his colonists to take weapons with them. he specifically said that mars will be a gun free zone.

fuck that guy.

>>32936754
BLACKED

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>>32937248
>opening a portal between the center of a nearby star and an enemy.
You. I like you.

>>32947293
I don't think space has any savages to genocide. The only thing demonizable would be the expense.

>>32952807
>I don't think space has any savages to genocide. The only thing demonizable would be the expense.

We'd probably just make our own out of ourselves.

>>32952636
>Mars has no lifeforms, hostile or not
>traveling through space with mere millimeters between you and the void
>Guns in pressurized living spaces with an unbreathable thin atmosphere outside
>Bringing extra, worthless mass into orbit in the first place when every added pound of payload increases the cost of space launch (and the interplanetary journey at that)

You're a fucking idiot. If I was colonizing Mars I wouldn't want anyone with guns either. All it takes is one dumbass to ND and you lose a fourth of your breathable atmosphere. Do you think they'd build you an indoor range when every single fucking thing, including your goddamn fork, cost a fucking fortune to even put onto the planet in the first place? I'm sure they'd love you wasting resources donning a suit and oxygen just to go out and shoot at the Martian plains. What about when you glockleg yourself on the journey over and everyone blows out the ship into space because the 10mm bullet easily goes through the aluminum hull?

Interplanetary colonization will be an ascetic experience for those willing to live with little and under great constraints. Bringing guns just cuz would be retarded, with huge potential consequences. Some dumbass here on Earth will likely only leave a .30 caliber hole in his wall and dresser, a dumbass on Mars can cost lives and potentially billions of dollars with a single bullet, and the entire mission if on the spacecraft. Fuck off your gun fetish, if you want guns so much, keep your fat ass here on Earth.

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>>32935794
I kinda think it will initially be the air-force, but eventually when the system matures it will either be a new branch or the 'new navy'.

Also, I really love the Halo warship design for the humans. Basically a kilometer long rail gun with big engines at the back and armor around the gun and reactor.

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>>32953863
Shame all their names are retarded.

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>>32935794
That's wrong. The actual future is far more depressing. Global demographic trends show that Africa, South America, India, and the Middle East will soon dominate the global population, with the supermajority being Africa by far. Eventually through cross breeding all that will be left is Africa.

In a few centuries the world will be one giant Detroit and it will remain this way indefinitely. This is your real inheritance.

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>>32940759
More like interstellar battles!

>>32953863
I also like big guns and I cannot lie.
Sir isaac newton is the deadliest son of a bitch in space.

https://youtu.be/hLpgxry542M

>>32953889
>UNSC ship names
>retarded

pick one.

>>32953925
this is what the left call progress

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>>32936282

Never thought about this. Interdasting.

>>32941214
A E S T H E T I C S

You can play children of a dead earth right the fuck now and build lasers with Epa Watt per square meter at 1km range intensities.

>>32954094
UNSC ship names sound like a 14 year old got home from poetry class, sat down with a two steps from hell album, and decided that he wasnt being nearly edgy enough with his fanfiction haiku titles.

>>32937595
>However, the Treaty does not prohibit the placement of conventional weapons in orbit and thus some highly destructive attack strategies such as kinetic bombardment are still potentially allowable

I need somebody to get some tungsten rods in orbit ASAP

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>>32956480

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Greatest ship coming through

>>32947293
This

>>32953491
Spotted the no funs

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>>32954094
The HALO ship names sound like a 14 year old trying and failing to sound poetic and edgy.

>>32956876
Did you see the Halo Wars 2 trailer? I had to turn it off after 30 seconds, the writing is sub-/tg/ tier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Adh46ky_-WI

>>32956896
Halo was cool when I was 14. Now that im a grownup I kinda realise how terrible it was. The first one was great for its day and age, everything after that got increasingly moddy and stupid.

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>>32956710

https://webmshare.com/play/YGQmN

>>32958033
Agreed. Despite that, I wish they'd get around to releasing them all on PC. It's like microsoft doesn't want buttloads of easy money for porting them over.
Holy balls did halo 1 play so much better when you aren't dealing with retard's 30fps on a console. I can say the same with other ported over games too. So much difference, plus they don't have to hide half your vision with fog effects etc on some games to tame the graphics for weak console chipsets.

>>32958150
>It's like microsoft doesn't want buttloads of easy money for porting them over.
Just release the ones from dead consoles like the 360. Keep your competitive edge and get more people desperate to buy the new one since they played it on PC and don't want to wait years for the xb1 to die.

>>32940505
souce?

>>32935794
>What will the US Government do in five centuries

Fuck off with this retarded shit.

>>32936186

>The military could build a new space agency from the ground up and they'd probably be better off than trying to get the retards at NASA to do it.

^ FACT

>the retards at NASA

They really are. Fucking hate NASA. What a load of fucking faggots.

>>32937595
That means nothing

>>32956555
>I need somebody to get some tungsten rods in orbit ASAP
NASA and the USAF have repeatedly stated that "rods from god" were nice in theory but horribly impractical. The amount of fuel required to get something that heavy into orbit is far too expensive. You can fire something like 100 cruise missiles for the amount of money it would cost to put 1 rod in orbit.

>>32959151
Stfu faggot
>>32956876
>>32955453
>>32953889
What a retard this guy is, yikes

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>>32959667
>liking anything about the HALO lore
you must be at least 18 to browse this site.

>>32959751

I bet you didn't even read the books and thus know nothing about the lore

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>>32959751
>Being edgy against Halo
You sound like a stupid 40K fan, lol gtfo kid

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>>32959762
>reading the books
oh my god it just keeps getting better

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>>32959776
>40k fan
I'm not *that* retarded

>>32959798

>trying to turn the fact that he doesn't actually know what he's talking about into a positive

You're right, this really does keep getting better

>>32935794

>which branch
I'd say the Navy, or a department of the Navy. It just makes sense. Their command structure/experience/tactics etc. is already arranged around having crews in tight spaces, far away from the country, need to operate somewhat autonomously etc. etc. with US Marines (or a department of the Marines) as the ship security forces/boarding party
>hypothetical space combat
barring any handwavium jump drive technology.... we'd be dealing with fleets moving very, very, very fast in straight lines. When traveling at relativistic speeds, you can't exactly maneuver, or even slow down too quickly without killing everyone on board.

with fleets being retard distances apart, and traveling at crazy speeds, the idea of any kind of "cannon" weapon doesn't make a lot of sense. I'd say war ships would be more like point defense boats with long range smart missiles. they would launch salvos of self targeting, shrapnel/nuke/radition missiles into the predicted trajectory of enemy fleet. defense would include good old fashioned point defense, electronic warfare with trying to disable/jam missiles as they come in, and maybe even launching drones to intercept missile salvos long before they reach the fleet.

I also see possibilities like drone ambushes. think "mine field" but with attack drones that kick on when you fly by.

part of me thinks a lot warships would be the space equivalent of "tugs". a small ship with a small crew, pushing around a giant rack of missiles. they fire their volley, or let the thing up to shoot on it's own, and then GTFO in their little tug ship.

thanks to the way space works, heat dissipation is a real bitch, so traditional weapons, and even lasers present way, way too many problems. smart missiles really seem to be the ultimate solution to space combat.

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>>32959821
>he likes halo *and* doesn't have any smug anime faces to shitpost with
yeah keep telling yourself you're superior

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>>32959811
Whatever you say!

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>>32959867
finally some quality content

>>32938951
Pretty cool series but really anti-climactic

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>>32959888
>>32959849
You're a weird fuck

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>>32959888

>>32959849

>being so incapable of admitting you're wrong you have to resort to "o-oh yeah well i posted a reaction image and you didn't!"

The ironic part is by being so desperate to avoid admitting you're a retard your posts only become more and more retarded. And yet you'll keep going, won't you. You're already planning some retarded faux-smug response to this post. Look at you, fingers already on the keyboard. Go ahead. Let's hear it.

>>32959842
>heat dissipation
But space is cold.

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>>32959937
>>32959930

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>>32953491
Tell that to the russians.

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>>32960003
That was meant as a survival weapon if they landed in the wilderness.

>>32960043
I'm aware of what it's for, but you'd be a fool if you think they're going to stop bringing handguns with them to space, even if it was a one way trip to mars.

>>32935794
space is super gay without guns

interplanetary fighting wont be a thing for a long time when warfare in space becomes a thing it'll be around earth possibly defending space stations or satellites or maybe there will be conflict over the moon idk
but if its on earth how would that work? would the space ship fire missiles at the battle field? What would its role in battle be?

Also what kind of missiles? idk what its called but i read about something that fires what are basically steal rods from orbit which would act kind of like meteorites once they hit the ground because of how fast they were moving (think the thing that killed the dinosaurs but smaller) if getting stuff into space could be made cheaper (or if the materials were harvested in space) this could replace traditional bombers

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>>32959980

The even MORE ironic part is that you claim to be superior because of your reaction images but all you're posting is tired old reposts that everyone who cares to already has in their folders. Not a single ounce of OC among them. If you're going to use reaction images as an autistic crutch for your autistic arguments you could at least put a modicum of effort into it and post some OC. When the people you're insulting for not posting content actually have better content then you do, it's just pathetic.

>>32953491
>noguns
Honestly, the first object someone is going to 'invent' in space will probably be some sort of zip gun using a pressure canister.

>>32953491
You bring a valid argument, but a single bullet hole is not enough to cause explosive decompression and can easily be sealed.

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>>32935794
If there's one thing that sci-fi does a shitty job of portraying, it's the fact that space battleships will require a shitload of radiators if they use any kind of 'hot' technology. Lasers get damn hot. Cannons produce a lot of waste heat. Radar systems, computers, even the engines would all account for a degree of heat that needs to be radiated away from the ship, which is not an easy thing to do in space.

>>32959957
>But space is cold.
This shit right here is a good example of what I mean.

Space isn't 'cold', it's a vacuum. Our favorite way of keeping equipment and people cool on Earth is through conduction+convection; a hot object heats up the air (or coolant, water, whatever medium you like) around it, and that hot air either rises away, or is forced to move by fans, pumps, etc. It's a very good way of getting rid of waste heat, because the atmosphere and oceans act as massive heat sinks.

You don't have that in space, you only have the third method of heat transfer - thermal radiation. Infrared light, mostly. Having a large array of radiator panels with a clear line of sight to the void of space is what most battleships will require, because radiating heat is not a very efficient method of transfer compared to convection or conduction.

There are a couple of ways around this that I can think of (within current engineering/physics constraints):
>Use a large internal heat sink that can absorb as much energy as the ship will produce in a typical battle, then have it radiate the heat out gradually.

>Carry a supply of coolant that can be vented directly into space once a critical temperature is reached.

>Use weapons, engines, and power supplies with low thermal output. e.g. missiles, ion drives, and hydrogen fuel cells. Nuclear reactors will be too hot unless better methods of converting heat directly into usable electrical or kinetic energy are discovered.

>>32936621
what is this show

>>32960324
The Expanse. Season 1 is all on Netflix, season 2 is currently airing.

All space ships will be spheres. Unless they are for planet flying in which case they will not

>>32948148
But wasn't that speculation? "Only Mars could have good enough tech to make those"

Then it turns out Protogen fielded two others when they attacked the station. So does only Protogen have the ability to make them?

>>32936169
Because a space ship is like a ship but in space, and the navy have more experience with ships than the air force.

>>32960336
thanks

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>>32956655
>transcendence and descent in one game

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Not passing any political judgements, but I think we can all acknowledge that by the time humanity is traversing the cosmos in giant spacecraft (pic related), the United States of America will likely cease to exist.

Nation-states as a whole will likely cease to exist. Or, at the very least, the notion of competing military powers on earth will be meaningless once we encounter aliens.

>>32961836
>once we encounter aliens.
The last time humanity encountered 'aliens' was colonial expansion to the americas and boy we sure found peace there.

>>32961926

I never said we will find peace. I believe the vast majority of the world's problems will be solved in the future, leading to the obsolescence of most wars. With the introduction of aliens into the picture, humanity is forever united as a human identity can develop in earnest.

>>32962022
I think a more likely scenario would be the farther and farther colonies breaking away from Earth and causing wars in that sense.

>>32962527

I agree with that, especially if Alien rivals don't exist in any political sense.

>>32962929
Even if they did, why would humans instantly throw away all their infighting to fight/appease aliens? You know how many humans would switch sides? Jump ship to be filthy xenoloving scum?

>>32962527
>I think a more likely scenario would be the farther and farther colonies breaking away from Earth and causing wars in that sense.
Pretty sure that's what was going on in the Halo universe before the aliums showed up, thus explaining why humanity just happened to have a significant fleet of advanced warships on hand.

Regardless of whether we get FTL or not, I can definitely see humanity's tradition of infighting continuing out into the stars, even if it's a case of those of us inhabiting the Solar system deciding to invade another, already populated colony system because we've used up all our natural resources.

>>32963675
It would only take maybe 3 or 4 generations of space faring people to forget about Earth and decide they don't need to be part of any sort of alliance or whatever and Earth of course would be like 'fuck you we need all the mining you're doing' or whatever and boom, space war.
Space war in and of itself would probably involve a lot of capital ship cock waving with no actual shots fired.

>>32963765
Also, if you think about an "Ark" style of transportation where FTL is not possible, it will be generations and generations of people living and dying aboard the ship itself.

Once they make planetfall, there would be 4-5 gens. Add to the fact that any ship to send supplies/cultural information will take around the same time... it is possible that humanity will develop a completely different culture... as well as different genetics with the settlers creating a founder effect of genetic variance. Over thousands of years, they will be a completely different species.

Crazy to think about.

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>>32963809
I have a feeling that by the time we've got the technology to build generation ships, we'll already have genetic manipulation down-pat and we'd be using it to optimize our colonists for whatever conditions they would be facing on their new homeworld.

On the other hand, I think it might be easier to mutate or genetically engineer a group of people in a way that makes them a lot more tolerant of extremely low temperatures - putting them into cryogenic hybernation, or even freezing them indefinitely, would be a better solution than trying to fit enough food, water, habitation, and other necessary equipment onto an interstellar spaceship.

>>32963765
>Space war in and of itself would probably involve a lot of capital ship cock waving with no actual shots fired.
If there's no FTL, then yeah, it'd be akin to a Cold War scenario where launching an attack is going to get both sides killed. Depending on the speed of some hypothetical FTL travel method, then 'hot' wars could definitely be fought over systems particularly rich in certain important resources, or even just habitable planets, provided that FTL allows for quick response times. If you could hop from one system to another in under a year, maybe.

I think scenarios where two or more factions start to race in their expansion is possible; both set their sights on one system, and send as much military power as they can to wrestle for control of it when they arrive. Stealth and drive technology would become very important in that case, so your enemy doesn't know exactly how much military force you're sending along with your colonists; it might be possible, even worthwhile, to bluff the enemy. Make them think you're sending a small fleet, but use stealth tech to hide your numbers.

This is all spitballing, of course - I just hope medical science advances enough so I can be alive to see it all happen.

>>32964272
Even with FTL, it would still be a lot of cockwaving and not much action. If ships engaged it would be in the middle of nowhere and would only be to wear down the other side.

With FTL, you can destroy the enemy homeworld without much effort, but it's assumed if you do that, the other side will respond in turn, so there should be an unspoken understanding not to. So shows of force would actually meet each other.

They send 1 battleship, we send 2, they send in three destroyers we send 8, and before you know it you have two armadas massed and threatening each other.

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>CTRL+F
>"homeworld"
>not about the game

dissapoint desu

have some spacenazis

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>>32964337
This depends on what kind of FTL each side is capable of, which means even hypothetical situations can get murky as hell.

Just some common examples of what might be possible:
>Jump drives - disappear in one place, reappear in your chosen location. Hard or impossible to track your enemy or know where they will appear next, this would be the most tactically 'powerful' type of FTL. Whether the travel time is instantaneous or not depends on how you travel, e.g. traveling through some kind of hyperspace vs. forcing wormholes to open.

>Warp drives - stretch space behind you, shrink it in front of you, and travel the same distance far more quickly than the speed of light. It should be possible to detect distortions and figure out where your enemy will be coming from, so this is not a very stealthy drive technology, but more likely to be workable in the future than 'jump' drives.

>'Realspace' FTL drives - travel within 'normal' space, but use some method of eliminating or reducing the relativistic mass that your ship gains at near-light-speed, thus allowing you to exceed the speed of light with a powerful enough engine. Whether this is detectable or not depends on what kind of particles are emitted by your ship as it travels. This is probably the 'slowest' method of hypothetical FTL travel.

>Wormholes - the 'conventional' kind. It'll require you to form a wormhole, then drag one end of it in a sublight ship to your destination; on arrival, it'll grant instantaneous travel to your starting location. Good method of transporting ships, people, and supplies between allied systems/planets, but also a high priority target for enemy strike teams. This assumes that you're placing the wormhole in a system that's already secured.

Ships in Warp and Realspace FTL could be intercepted and possibly even fought before arriving at their intended location, and if any of these FTL methods have travel times measured in months or years, then a 'hot' war would be feasible.

>>32936186
>They've really become quite a joke
>Sent rover to mars, is still roving and sending back info
>Landed shit on a meteor
>Photographed Pluto in High res
>Sending probe to Jupiter (Juno)

NASA shit takes time, people with limited knowledge and short attention span just assume they're doing nothing, when really their missions take 10 - 20 years

>>32964598
There's also the question of defense - even if you're facing an enemy with Jump Drive FTL, it's still possible to have enough gun batteries, missile drones, and detection stations in place to obliterate whatever fleet happens to show up in your system.

Sure, the enemy could simple 'jump' some gigaton nuclear bombs into your back yard, but what's the point of that if it irradiates the planet that they're trying to take control of?

I also doubt that one faction would only start waging a hot war until they're running out of resources; you don't start an invasion when your system is running low on everything, you start one when you have enough resources left to assure a high chance of victory in a conflict.

>>32940759
It was the one time we got to see them actually do their job.

Colonial doctrine was to engage with the battlestar and let your fighters cover.

>>32940854
War drives technological advancement and nothing brings people together like a common enemy. Studies have shown that people only work together if there's a common goal they reach on their own; even die-hard enemies will put aside their differences for a temporary alliance.

In other words, when we find alien life then all of humanity will finally unite and move into the stars. Until then, there's not a lot of need.

>>32935794
ITT: /k/ meets idk.
Wonder how many played Children of a Dead Earth here.

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>>32946356
It's where the elevators are. The entire hangar structure runs along the pod, but they have it sectioned off for practical reasons.

>>32947147
This and maybe Aliens (not shown) is one of the few closest we get to realistic popularization.
>>32942191
As boring as naval in Wargame and any spreadsheet chair force game. At least Command is a workout.

Liberty Stands for Freedom

>>32963765
What'll happen is like what happened with the New World: various nations will colonize the planets, so say Mars will have a Chinese colony, an American colony, etc. and they'll be proxy fronts for our wars on Earth until we get fat and lazy and let them get independence.

>>32964687
They don't "take" that long
It's just that they are wasteful bureaucrats who are scared of risk and like dragging shit out

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>manned space fighters

>>32965713
America won't be colonizing anything because America won't even exist by the end of this century, none of the west will if current political & demographic trends continue

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>>32965763
Go stand in the hallway and think about what you've done.

>>32935914
>Clouds

That means its in atmosphere. Something that big will never fly in atmosphere. Let alone hover without any visible engines.

I literally had a dream about colonizing Venus last night. Not even the clouds, but the molten surface.

I thought it was bizarre, but beautiful.

>>32965865
LoGH ships have antigrav, simple as that. Same as the ships in Star Wars.

>>32965979
Except that doesn't _actually_ exist.

You need far more autism to ignore that fact then to think it's stupid because of it.

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>>32935794
>space fleet on fleet combat inside of humanity's lifespan
>Soon™

>>32936067
There's literally two episodes about how the space prussians got so gay.

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>>32966019
>complaining about fictional science in an anime with giant space fortresses covered in liquid metal, gas that can disable an entire planetary defense system, artificial gravity, and faster than light travel

>>32966036
The oldest survivor of the American Civil War died in 1956.

He saw mankind move from horses to locomotives, automobiles, airplanes, helicopters. He saw the telephone, telephones, radio, television and the hydrogen bomb invented. A year after he died, the Soviets put a satellite into orbit.

Human knowledge grows exponentially; the only reason we're not in the stars right now is the lack of desire.

>>32935985
Well, Macross shortened the U.N. Space Navy to the U.N. Spacey.

Of course, in actual life it'll probably be, for the U.S. at least, the Navy due to the similarities of manning ships, with marines becoming space marines. Marines would probably specialize in ship-to-ship boarding situations, on-board maintenance of order, and dedicated strike teams to drop down planetside ahead of dedicated troop transports or for smaller operations.

Air Force will probably evolve into support staff for the Space Navy, controlling planetary and orbital defenses. Small craft would be obsolete in space, I believe, while atmospheric fighters would still be used as ground support for planetary landings when anti-space weaponry forces the fleet from giving bombardment support options. The lack of any friction and the possible growth of targeting systems would make ships with considerably stronger defenses than strike craft be more efficient in space.

Army is still the army with the navy still playing taxi for them, this time around the galaxy. Nothing much changes, since they're still a guy handed a rifle and told to shoot that other guy.

I might be a tad influenced by John Hemry's vision of what combat would be like with his Lost Fleet series, where battles would be fast-moving fleets making passes at each other in an attempt to damage each other as much as possible before moving in for another attack, which is why I feel strike craft may be obsolete in space.

>>32936528
Haven't people been saying that for decades?

>>32939203
in the grim dark of the future everything is edgy and overpowered

>>32966061
I just saw the stupid pic and said it triggered my autism. You don't have to keep triggering my autism.

>>32966107
There's also really nothing to DO once we get to the stars. For now it's a novelty. It's something everyone thinks they want, but don't actually. Like flying cars.

When we fuck earth up enough that it's actually easier to undertake a 10000 year project to give Mars a thin, but breathable atmosphere, then to fix earth's, we will do it.

>>32966134
Not really, if you read some of their stats for weapons and armor. Modern day tanks blow Leman Russ tanks out.

>Leman Russ originally was stated to have 150 mm thick armor.
>Abrams has 350 mm in just the turret alone.

>>32940505
what game is that?

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>>32935794
Space ships will need to be fairly armored, to protect from the Kessler effect causing a chain reaction of exploding ships. Carriers will likely be pointless, why fly a plane close to the enemy when a missile will have no trouble flying incredibly long distances? Combat will likely consist of a mixture of missiles being launched and intercepted, and railguns being launched and dodged, all at incredibly long distances. Ships will probably be unmanned, and commanded by incredibly complex AI's.

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>>32966160
Fuck that nonsense. It's there, let's go.

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>>32937595
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>>32966160
>There's really nothing to DO once we get to north africa
>There's also really nothing to DO once we get to the mediterranean
>There's also really nothing to DO once we get to egypt
>There's also really nothing to DO once we get to russia
>There's also really nothing to DO once we get to asia
>There's also really nothing to DO once we get to north america
>There's also really nothing to DO once we get to south america
>There's actually nothing to DO once we get to australia
>There's also really nothing to DO once we get to the top of mt everest
>There's also really nothing to DO once we get to the south pole
>There's also really nothing to DO once we get to the mariana trench
>There's also really nothing to DO once we get to orbit
>There's also really nothing to DO once we get to the moon
>There's also really nothing to DO once we get to mars
>There's also really nothing to DO once we get to other systems
>There's also really nothing to DO once we get to other galaxies

>>32942009
>but, it annoys the fuck out of me a major plot point revolves around stealth in space. They might as well have centered it around reversing entropy.
The stealth is specifically supposed to be alien tech so it's excusable