Has there ever been a vehicle as heavily armored as a tank but

>>32931077
"pereh"

Some '60s missile tanks were as heavily armoured as contemporary tanks,

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>>32931077
>>32931191
If you were curious what he named is an Israeli missile carrier built out of the hull of a Magach-5 and disguised as a normal tank. Carries a box launcher holding 12 Spike ATGM's and even has a dummy main gun to fool goat herders. Dumb thing was classified until 2015.

>>32931077
Closest thing that comes to mind is IT-1. Basically a T-62 armed only with 3M7 SACLOS missiles. Alternatively Objekt 287 which used a different kind of missile (I forgot the name) and was based on the T-64 basis.

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>>32931191

You know, I had thought of that one, but I'm not sure how well armored it actually is. It's got an M48 as its base, and then a bunch of little israeli-made armor blocks all over the front. It seems like that might add up to some decent protection, but I just don't know.

>>32931248
>Closest thing that comes to mind is IT-1. Basically a T-62 armed only with 3M7 SACLOS missiles. Alternatively Objekt 287 which used a different kind of missile (I forgot the name) and was based on the T-64 basis.

Cool, thanks. I am looking these up now.

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>>32931252
yeah how good is Israeli ERA compared to k1?
and why isnt it on merks?

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>>32931248
It 1 is has a sexy reload

>>32931235
Used to see them park in my base, It's very hard to distinguish those things from Merkava even from up-close.

>>32931276
M-60 hull, not M-48.

>how good is Israeli ERA compared to k1?
Superior, K1 is outdated now.

>Why not on Merks?
New (expensive) Merk hulls are better used as conventional MBTs. Old M-60 hulls are far less useful on the front line, giving them ATGMs and keeping them back keeps them useful without the cost of new production vehicles.

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>>32931393
>>32931248

>>32931472
Really? It's kind of obvious from pictures that it's a Patton chassis and that the turret is almost nothing like a Merkava - from a close-up. During an actual confrontation I presume it's a whole 'nother story, because the guys on the receiving end won't be too anal about what's firing on them.

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>>32931474
>M-60 hull, not M-48
It clearly has an M48 hull.

>>32931474
>M-60 hull, not M-48.

Wikipedia claims that it's a Magach 5, which is the M48. Magach 6 and 7 are M60.

So which is it? A 5 or later?

>>32931499
>It clearly has an M48 hull.

This looks like an M60 to me. >>32931235

What am I missing here?

>>32931492
From the pictures you can see it looks different but from seeing from the front mostly you kinda just see a merkava looking tank.
Maybe i was just a pleb.

>>32931499
Looking again you seem to be correct.

Need to brush up on my western AFV IDs.

>>32931545
Well from any engagement distance I'm sure it would be practically indistinguishable.

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>>32931077
/thread

After reading this thread I'm not convinced I have any idea what the difference between an M48 and an M60 actually is.

Can someone help me out here?

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>This blows up the crew

>>32931584
it doesn't because it'll soak up at least one round and the fuel tank will soak up three, why even play any other country

>>32931077
Any Soviet missile tank prototype. M60A2 Shelilah or whatever it was called I think was exclusively missile armed too.

>>32931739
M60A2 was gun and missile armed. Exclusively missile armed? Not really.

>>32931751
Didn't it have like really really short and large calibre gun? It thought it was just for missiles.

>>32931780
By doctrine, Starship used missiles against enemy heavy armor, HEAT/HE against everything else.

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In the 1970s the Soviets developed the IT-1, a modded T-62 with pop-up launcher which fired a unique ATGM known as the Drakon.

The IT-1 system was treated top-secret and its existence only became apparent after the Cold War. The West only learned of its existence after information provided by Viktor Suvorov. Today information about it remains limited

Multiple people have already given the modern example which is the Israeli Pereh. Itself classified until recently.

>>32931798
Yeah, got it, but I mean I don't think such a length to calibre ratio can put put high muzzle velocity. Or was it exclusively low speed HE ammunition without KEP? Did they manage to solve the problem of the gun wearing off much faster from GLATGM?
Looked it up real quick and I suppose I mixed it up with Sheridan. This one seem to be only armed with missiles.

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The Israeli's are sticking ATGM's on everything they have by this point

Israel and ATGM's is like North Korea is with MANPAD's

>>32931876
south koreans have a similar setup on whatever their humvee is

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>>32931077
Raketen Jagdpanzer Jaguar - originally SS-11 missiles, then upgraded to HOT, then TOW.

There was also a Kanone Jagdpanzer with the 90mm gun.

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>>32931880
So do Russians.

>>32931852
M551 standard loud out was 10 missiles and 19 conventional rounds. In Vietnam they dropped the missiles for more HE/HEAT/Beehive rounds.

>>32931077
M60A2 Starship

>>32931927
Wrong.

same deal as Sheridan. Or MBT-70.

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>>32931876
The Spike family is top tier, so I don't see a reason not to.

>>32931964
Israel basically planned to eliminate Syria's entire tank force with long-range but precise ATGM vehicles in the event of war while the air force dealt with strategic targets and merkava's guarded the border

Now that syria has been btfo they can still do it with egypt if peace breaks down I guess

But yes the key difference with North Korea's MANPAD fetish is while those are largely ineffective against anything but helicopters or low flying attack aircraft the Israeli missiles could wreak havoc on modern tank formations. The Spike NLOS is as accurate as the Javelin with a 30km range.