Why was no counter-arrow systems ever developed in the ancient

>>32918206
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B_6BU7SYf8

>>32918240
Not expecting that accent from that guy.

>>32918206
>inb4 shields
What the FUCK else do you want anon...

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>>32918206

Jesus Christ Hackson

It was called starvation

>>32918206
Castles.

>>32918206
If I recall correctly, that's what the lightweight wicker barriers the Persians carried around were specifically for. They came expecting an archery shootout, which they could usually win. Sure, you could argue that this is basically a shield, but it's really more of an ancient pavise.

...you could argue that a pavise is just a specialized shield, but come on man, they didn't have anti-arrow-arrows or really big turbines to blow arrows away or something. Your physical defenses are basically gonna be barriers of some sort. Otherwise, the defenses were mostly tactics. Outrange, outmaneuver, don't bunch up under fire, etc.

>>32918206
Wow, that is some retarded shit. Even for Hollywood.

>>32918240
> shitty old bow shot by old man
> 2 inches of penetration
> 'That's a killing wound!'

>>32918441
OP ask for counter-arrow systems that isn't a shield so I posted one.

A retarded answer for a retarded question.

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>>32918344
>don't bunch up under fire
Or you know, do bunch up under fire.

>>32918441
3 inch penetration is lethal

>>32918472
shit id be right in the middle.

The problem here is it's a bit like asking if there are any modern counter-bullet systems other than vests or plates

>>32918573

Not if you have a 4 inch layer of lard

>>32918206
what a stupid ass fucking question to go with that stupid ass fucking webm from that stupid ass fucking movie

>>32918206
Did they cut a bunch of stuff from the theater release?

I don't remember seeing that...

>>32918621

Yes. A lot of it was insanely retarded shit just like that

>>32918628
Its a fucking fantasy action film its supposed to be nonsensical and over the top, calm your autism man.

>>32918639
this mindset is why every fantasy movie is shit

>>32918639

I'm saying that, in the context of the entire rest of the film, a lot of it was STILL really, really far-fetched.

>>32918628
>pansy elves getting BTFO by dorfs
That looks awesome to me.

>>32918650
>>32918660
You aren't the audience for the films.

>>32918240
I was wondering what the hell those were for in Shogun 2.

>>32918472
that's where to aim the catapult

>>32918687

Yeah that's why it all got cut, right, because it was so good.

>>32918687
I love lotr but the hobbit movies were a steaming pile of shit

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Slavs, and a lot of others on the Eurasian steppe, had war wagons which proved effective.

They could link several together to make an impromptu fort. They started mounting cannons on them as time went on.

>>32918628
I'm sorry but Ram cavalry climbing a shield wall like a mountain slope is badass you boring fuck

>>32918803
That's pretty cool, how have I never seen these before

>>32918848
look up Jan Zizka

>>32918848
They got their fame during the Hussite wars. It's how infantry stands up to cavalry charges out in the open plains.

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>>32918206
Knights eventually went to heavy plate that could stop all but a few lucky shots into weak points like eye slits.

The Genoese mercenary crossbowmen of the Hundred Years War used Pavises - large, heavy, convex shields they'd stake into the ground and hide behind to reload.

Oda Nobunaga fielded hundreds of wooden walls mounted on wheels for his riflemen to use as cover between shots at samurai archers.

>>32918206
Why are all these webms appearing just now? They seem even more ridiculous than the rock jumping and bat ones that we've had for a long time.

>>32918441

In Japan in the 1500s or some shit?

where they didn't have any kind of medicine at all?

>>32919454

Have you seen the one where the goat cart extends spikes from its wheels and ramps off a cliff and there are 6 giants perfectly lined up to all be decapitated at once

>>32918206
>This is the same guy who directed the Lord of the Rings trilogy
I guess there really isn't any good left in this world anymore.

>>32919580
>5th season of Samurai Jack being made for Adult Swim

There is still hope anon.

>>32919570
wtf no, I recently saw one where Legolas was hanging upside down from a bat cutting the heads off about 1000 orcs.

>>32919621
>uses guns
Its not Samurai JAck

>>32918240
>do a live test
>blunt the arrows because MUH HORSE
So whats the fucking point? Its like testing a guns penetration with rubber bullets

>>32918206
Walls

>>32919580
For LOTR he had something like 5+ years to plan and prepare. Guillermo del Toro was originally going to direct The Hobbit until studio bullshit made it impossible, and Jackson literally had to start from scratch with zero prep time.

>>32919044
I thought shield/spear walls did that?

Not that war wagons aren't cool as fuck

>>32919663
Old Jack is still Jack, he just realized that war has changed.

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>>32918206

Skirmishers

>>32918206

JACKSON, WHY DID YOU HAVE THE FUCKING DWARVES FORM UP ONLY FOR THE FUCKING ELF DICK SUCKING FAGGOTS TO JUMP THE FUCK OVER THEM AND RENDER THE PLAN FUCKING USELESS

THEY COULD HAVE JUST FUCKING LOOSED ARROWS UNTIL THEY WERE OUT WHILST THE DWARVES HELD THEM OFF WITH THEIR FUCKING SHIELDS AND PIKES BUT NO THEY HAVE TO JUMP AND TWIRL LIKE GAY FUCKING BALLERINAS AND THEN GET A TON OF DWARVES KILLED

P.S. YOU STUPID MOTHERFUCKER WHY DID THE DWARVES ARMOUR UP AND THEN TAKE OFF THE ARMOUR WHEN THEY'D ACTUALLY NEED IT IN THE BATTLE IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'D NEED IT JUST SITTING AROUND FUCKING CUNT

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>>32919626

My bad, it was like 8 fucking giants. I will admit that the cart-mounted gatling crossbow is dope as fuck though.

>>32919580
to be fair consider who they are working for
even the first few movies were a costly clusterfuck that almost did more harm than good

>>32918240

Neat

>>32919756
the only correct answer.

>>32919756
WOOLOLO

>>32920078

Jokes on you, I got Heresy, and you just wasted a monk on a skirmisher.

>>32918472
Deploy Legos.

>>32919663
This meme needs to die, Jack is not Batman.

>>32918441
back then it was. stubbed toes could kill you.

Fucking tooth infection could kill you.

>>32919684
IF you actually watched the video you wouldn't be talking shit.

>>32919802
Wow they cut alot from the movie

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>>32919770
Cruise control for cool.
Gottit.

>>32918472

Imagine firing a ballista at center of that and attach some iron balls and chain to the back of the bolt

it would be a meat grinder

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>>32918206
>Why was no counter-arrow systems ever developed in the ancient world?
>what is shields
>what is armor
In fact across entire human history you could easily distinguish image of warrior from image civilian by their armors. Armor means warrior class, warrior class means armor.

>>32922136
>implying anyone but the Romans actually successfully used ballistas

> attach some iron balls and chain to the back of the bolt
It would go flying way fucking off target.

>>32918206
wtf I don't remember this

>>32919802
what the FUCK peter jackson

>>32922299

Not with Roman Marble Magic it wont

>>32918803
fucking Czechs having superior armaments before it was cool

>>32920078
>countering trash with monks
git gud casual

>>32918639

>defending this pleb trash
I bet you loved the WoW movie too. The only decent Hobbit was the first one, the rest was pure nonsensical lore-shitting happenstances.

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>>32918206
>all these knife-ear bootlickers going "wtf that dumb"

>>32922136
I think you really, really overestimate the power of a ballista

>>32918240

>Samurai
>Compared to special forces all episode

This triggers the autism.

>>32918240
>Sammyrai

>>32920409
Not even that long ago the simplest of infections could kill you.

My grandfather survived WWII, died from a fucking ear infection after the war.

>>32918573
Maybe for japanese women. More than they normally get.

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>>32918206
>shields and armor
>forts and battle wagons
>occasionally pikes pointed up to sort of displace arrows

>>32918803
i remember these in AOE2

>>32924246
best aoe

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Macedonians had a wall of spears to deflect arrows.

>>32918344
>>giant turbines
>Titus, get the fan.

>>32924962
Except that doesn't deflect shit when the arrows are coming down at a steep angle. A "deflected" arrow is still lethal because it still falls point down.

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>>32925075
Then how did they beat the Perians? Answer me that Garshasp.

>>32923330
why?

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>>32918206
here they used cloth as a lightweight arrow deterrent on an otherwise normal shield.

>>32918206
>Phlanax

>>32919727
>I thought shield/spear walls did that?
that works when you have a well armed well trained infantry

the Hussites were really just a bunch of fanatical peasants with improvised weapons
still thanks to great morale and smart leadership they were able to defeat 6 crusades led by the HRE with their "muh heavy knights"

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>>32919454
>THESE BATS ARE BREAD FOR ONE PURPOSE
>WAR

Yeah man of course, the ancient greeks had these set up in their camps and around formations to protect against enemy archers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsVUISS8oHs

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>>32925866
Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but the phalanx formation used so many spears that waved in the breeze they actually would be able to stop some arrows from effectively hitting them.

>>32922338
he just did not gave a fuck anymore

>>32919454
New to the internet?

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>>32925191

Samurai weren't "special forces." Of course it depends on the time of history you look at, but samurai were anything from a social class of warriors to destitute, drunken bandits to simple body guards.

At the height of their relevance Samurai were considered middle-to-upper class warriors and essentially acted as an officer corps.

>>32926343
And then in the Tokugawa Shogunate they were bureaucrats who pretended to be warriors.

>>32918344
I thought wicker armor was for skirmishers.

>>32922795
Ballistas actually hit pretty hard. However, they demand expert construction, maintenance, and use. Wet weather also fucks them over.

>>32918206
It's called shields

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>>32919754
But anon, War...War never changes

>>32925866
>tfw you get the fucking HE in

>>32918240

That fake holographic presentation...

>>32926078
Bullshit was called on that source. No one takes that line seriously. And sure, maybe it stopped a handful, but most got through just fine.

>>32918206
there were some counter arrow systems

unfortunately they all weighed more than the bow, were expensive, hard to move with etc

same issue with the bulletproof shields in the trenches

>>32919727
Shield walls and phalanx formations died to William's kite-shield equipped cavalry, effectively ushering in the dominance of Cavalry forces throughout Europe.

>>32925159
Holding shields in a locked formation

>>32918206
>>inb4 shields

You're basically asking why something hasn't been invented that is more complex, less adaptable, less reliable, and probably more expensive than the simple solution of a shield?

That's an ass-backwards way of thinking, anon.

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>implying English arrows can pierce French steel

>>32918206
>armor

>>32931768
>What is the Battle of Agincourt?

>>32931579
>barbarians able to form a proper phalanx

>>32918206
>inb4 the obvious correct answer to the dumb question i asked

You must be some kind of a shiposter general.

>>32929243
I'm sure a lot got through, but I'd be willing to bet that they may have had reduced penetration. I'm sure that a lot that got through were bumped in flight by other arrows, or glanced off of the pikes. I'm sure that a few of the arrows that got through were uninterrupted and penetrated the body armor, but you gotta remember that when an arrow is stopped, it doesn't just vanish.
>>32936539
Yeah, OP is a huge fucking retard.

>>32918292
The technical term for that is "launch platform attrition". Nobody's launching shit if their firing solution generator just got pulled out of their eye socket by crows because the supply pogs didn't ship enough gruel to keep the Missile Corps up and running.

>>32918206
ancient south american civilizations of the calanders and rituals that we used to be afraid of type had arrow proof vests made of cotton dipped in saltwater brine.

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>>32934587
What about it?

Mongolians I hung out with told me a story about one of the steppes bands gengis khan took out. It falls into the realm of legend so it might just be made uo, but its pretty neat anyways.

>smaller tribe decides to stand up to the mongol hoard
>no armor, but its winter and they get an idea
>put on layers of heavy wool
>go down to the river
>smear mud all over the heavy wool clothing so it freezes
>add layers until its about "a hands breadth thick"
>covered in 4 to 5 inches of frozen river silt the mudmen go out to do battle
>mongolian archers loose a swarm of arrows
>mud men are impervious, they are stuck like pinecushions but the frozen mud just absorbs the arrows
>they laugh and shout insults at the khan
>gengis gets rip-shit punch a baby pissed
>orders horse archers to charge
>turns out frozen mud is really heavy, and being stuck like a pincushion full of arrows further limits mobility, and prevents use of weaponry
>unable to run away or fight back the mudmen are trampled to death by the horse archers they mocked earlier

Moral of the story is, theres such a thing as being too concerned with armor. Also, dont talk shit to gengis khan.

>>32918206
INFANTRY

>>32936948

I feel like it'd be a lot easier just to build a fucking wall or trench to hide behind than do that

>>32919756
>>32920043
>>32920078
>>32920125
>>32922751
Good to know there are people with goad taste on this shit website.

>>32936966
Keep in mind this story was made up by the mongols themselves to illustrate how all their neighbors were stupid and deserved to be raped and slaughtered.

I spent some time in mongolia. Ghengis Khan is thier version of alexander the great, and the mongols pretty much have a legend about how every culture their anscestors conquered deserved it.

Nost stories begin with somebody trying to trick the mongols, getting caught, talking shit in some big macho tribal manner, then being justly dispatched by the infiniteley intelligent and rightiously wrathful khan.

Kinda like the story about alexander the great conquering a kingdome in one sword stroke when he cut the gordian knot.

Was there REALLY a nation that decided thier best defense was to tie a bigass knot and say "wait! You cant conquer us until you untie this!"

Probably not. But its excellent ancient propaganda to illustrate the superiority of western pragmatism vs eastern mysticism.

>>32936948

That just sounds like a more stupid variant of the MUH FROZEN JACKETS STOP .30 CARBINE BOOLITS myth.

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>>32918206
Basket

>>32937113
Well it was made up by mongolians, so Im not sure why you were expecting great wit and cleverness from it.

>>32936948
Wouldn't the mud have already been frozen on the ground?

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>>32937190
Metal Gear: Medieval Operator

>>32925866
They even have Phalanx land-based CIWS mounted on mobile trucks now.

Wondered why president wouldn't have one at his inauguration, in case of the errant mortar or artillery attack.

>>32925436
Those crusaders were straight up retarded, though.

"Oh, they are fortified on a steep hill and have walls to protect them? Eh, they are just peasants. I'm sure the heavy knights will just drive through them."

>>32937224
'Aquitane calls for wetwork.. And we answer."

>>32937289
Probably they do, its just highly secretive and well hidden. Militarized public figures arent very popular in the american psyche.

Im betting they had rooftop stinger missile teams, plus those jet flyovers at big political events that really get the crowd going are probably actually on station in case of an air attack.

Wouldnt be too hard to hide a CRAM inside semitrucks with collapsable trailers parked about.


Point is, security measures are more effective when nobody knows you have them and thus cant plan to bypass them.