Next General Knife thread.

>>32890967
Maybe the last one died for a reason, maybe you should replace this with a richfag general or something, you know, something we actually want not just what you want
Lol well at least what the only people on this board that matter want, really.

What are some knives every collector should have?
Or like, the most popular? Any models comparable to the 1911, ar15, glock 19, sks, mosin, mini 14?

bowie? ka bar? crkt m16? gerber evo?
Everyone seems to shill with what they got

>>32890967
And how about a topic to discus for a bit of a bump;

Favorite brand for Folders, Fixed Blades, and others.

Favorite folder brand would have to by Spyderco, with Cold Steel and ZT being close behind.

Favorite fixed blade brand, maybe Ontario with Beker, Condor, and Cold Steel on the mind.

>>32890991
I've thought about this before actually... I think if you are really into it, in no particular order:

1) Buck 110
2) Buck 104 or 119
3) Sebenza (even though I don't think they are good for the money)
4) Spyderco PM2 or Manix 2 or Military
5) Kershaw Skyline
6) Maybe a Higonokami and Opinel
7) and fuck it, an XL Espada cause "meme knife"

>>32891060
Okay you got my attention, I've not seen one quite like this, what does it look like closed? There was a benchmade design with a blade longer than the handle, forget the number though.

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>>32891079
About like you'd expect. It's based off a WWII Italian folding bayonet used by paratroopers. I'm kind of obsessed with them.

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>>32891106
The bayonet

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What's your preferred EDC blade length? What do you do for a living? I think it's funny to see office guys keep 3.5-4" blade knives.

All these safe queens, do these knives ever see use? Bugs the fuck out of me when I read/watch reviews on knives and they NEVER address operation of it, how well it works, etc. Just fit and finish and mindless faggot shilling. Their blades could be aluminum and they wouldn't be affected.

What's a cheap folder, under $35, with a 3"-3.5" blade that can rip through a can lid and pop beer bottles like no ones business? Will see heavy camping usage. Also looking for a fixed blade with a 5" blade

>>32891128
Hey what skyline is that? Is it custom scales?

>>32891219
Standard skyline. I painted it.

>>32891190
>All these safe queens
Every one I posted has been used. Some shots are from when they were new.

>>32891156
Under 3 due to city laws

preferable under 2.5 for preference

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>>32891156
~3". Even less is fine. Anything more and you will really freak out normies and it is too much

>>32891190
Kershaw has the best selection of decent folders in that price range IMO. You can find sales on them a lot too.

>>32891031
All of those knives are absolute garbage.

I wouldn't waste my money on that. Fallkniven, Benchmade and Becker absolutely wastes that trash, and for the price you spent on those garbos, you could have three knives from each of the aforementioned brands that last ten times as long.

>>32891236
My state states only folders under 4 inches in TOTAL length.

Good thing it's not enforced.

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>>32891190
Just about anything that is as slim as a knife can be used to open a bottle if you leaver it over your index finger knuckle. For that price I would recommend the medium Cold Steel Voyager or Ontario RAT 1.

I use all of my knives, but I own so many that they are not always carried. More so I'm not bring a Al Mar if I have to pry up shipping stapples, I'll bring my Code4 or RAT 1.

Also, unless you are greatly abusing a knife, quality knives don't really show wear after you clean them. I can show you so pics of slight rust spots, or worn down/dirty G-10 and all of that... but I hope you would just take my word for it.

pic related, is the CS Recon Tanto from my first post, you can see the scratches and wear.

>>32890991
>>32891031
All this +
Douk Douk, Otter mercator k55, Lagiole, Fairbarn Sykes dagger from sheffield,
Kukri knife (Thora blades<----best or Himalayan imports), Ka bar usmc, Okapi, Carl schlieper Sodbuster,
Hubertus Automatic knife, Böker Sports knife, Original Balisong, Svord peasent,
That swiss army knife with every tool ever, Mora classic, Original Leuku,

>>32891319
....This is turning to quite the list... I can't belive I forgot to USMC though. At this rate the "must own knives" will be an complete collection of it's own

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>>32891031
>3) Sebenza (even though I don't think they are good for the money)

>>32891524
Most of them are under 100$ though.

>>32891549
Well yeah, they feel great in hand, have a super smooth lock, a timeless design, and all that...

But he runs his s35vn WAY too soft, I can feel it when I sharpen them, and other people have manged to warp the edges of theirs with a normal angle bevel while cutting hemp rope...that is disgraceful for even a $30 knife non the less a $400 one. This is my major complaint. He says it is for ease of sharpening, but 99% of people who buy a $400 knife know how to;
A) sharpen a relatively easy steel like S35vn
b) Can afford to send it out to a professional sharpener
c) Send it back to factory for sharpening.


Also, I fully trust that Cold Steel did not fake their results in the video where they tested the Sebenza lock strength. And it makes sense that it would fail so easily considering how smooth it is to operate. Granted if you have even 1Lb on the back of the blade, you are doing something wrong, but the point stands that a $400 Titanium Sebenza has a weaker lock than a $40 Kershaw Leek framelock.

>>32891190
>Safe queen
There's a difference between not using a knife and not abusing a knife

If you spend $100+ on a knife you're damn well going to keep it in its best shape. I'll keep it sharp, I'll remove scratches, I'll remove any sort of rust - keep it looking new.

All my blades see use, but that doesn't mean they have to look like they do

>>32890987
>Thinking some people matter more than others
>On an anonymous message board
>On a hungarian dirt sifting website.

I think you are all faggots for buying knives you don't use.
INB4 Hunter 3-1 Actual
INB4 SOGfag posts fake knives

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>>32891779
Yay cool nice to see you Hunter. Glad you are now sharing the "Namefag" name, it makes me happy.

>>32891779
>>32891798
SAMEFAG

>>32891798
Hunter is cancer but no more so than any other namefag on /k/

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>>32891816
Oh cool, is it a British Calvary Saber? Do tell, I've been thinking of getting a thrust focused sword, currently I have a Hanwei Katana and a Longsword on the way... But I am thinking of getting a Rapier, problem is not many production companies seem to make good sharp once for under $700 or so.

>>32891833
Not British, it's Spanish. From around 1907 to 1913. Just a standard issue cavalry sword, nothing too special about it and I don't think it's seen any combat, but it's possible since sharpening these was unnecessary for its purpose and the guard has some damage on it

I got it for an incredibly low price, the guy would only sell in canada and I was the only person bidding, got it for roughly $70usd and I could probably sell it to collectors in the states for 2-3x that if I keep it in the condition it's in

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>>32891885
Wow that is really good. That's about what I payed for my 1907 Enfield Bayonet at an auction this summer.

>>32891060
>>32891106
>>32891115
In germany it´s called "Verlängerungsmesser" quite common among hunters.

>>32891083
w2c?

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>>32892303
love the Boker Kwaiken, and Kwaikens in general, one of my favorite designs. How long you have it?

>>32892259
Amazon. Shun folding steak knife

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by the way, whoever was in the last thread asking bout pi related

its called the scalper, they took a take on a food prep knife.

Where can I get a good quality NR 40 repro?

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I've never posted in one of these threads before, so here goes.

I'd like to get a belt knife that can take a beating. Something that'll last, nothing large, nothing fancy.

What would you guys suggest? In return, boobs.

>>32892653
There are quite a few, that's a very general description.... Well the brand Mora for starts, but I don't consider them supper heavy duty. Schrade has quite a few that are good and pretty cheap. Condor is worth looking at, but most of their stuff is carbon steel which will be better for the money but will need to be cleaned up from time to time. And also Kershaw and Cold Steel and Buck.

Pretty much just any of those brands, but avoid these steels 420 (unless Buck), 4116, 440, maybe CrMoV unless you really like the design, and I can't be bothered to think of more.

>>32892737
Neat, I don't need a blade longer than 4", 3" would be optimal, I think. I'll check those brands out.

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just picked up this bad boy for christmas. gunna use it for paring, chopping, making kindling and heavy to mid camp use. I wish it didn't have the stupid notches on the top

also got the fieldcraft cause why not.

>>32892653
what do you intend on using your knife for mostly? be realistic

>>32892772
ka-bar TDI

>>32892821
Opening boxes, removing stray underbrush from around the house. And maybe fucking with electrical wire if nothing else is available to cut with.

Anywhere to get a pantographic knife without the fucking fake nazi marks on it?

>>32891251
>>32891308
Thanks

Thoughts on Ontario Rat 2? I'm thinking 3.5" is too big. Checked out the Blur at the mall today. A tad bit too big. I like the Kershaw Skyline a lot actually. Online it didn't appeal to me, but in person it does.

I like the RAT2 blade more, but the Skyline handle. Ugh.

Anything else in the 3" to 3 1/4"?

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>>32893464
>
Or, instead of one ~$40 knife, maybe both a KA BAR Dozier and Kershaw Chill. That would be about $36 total.

Anyone feel they have too many knives? Or the opposite, and withed they had fewer, more quality knives? I don't know if I could sharpen the Skyline as easy. I miss like Scallion, it was a good little knife.

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>>32893507
my ole bugger

>>32893507

i wish i never sold some of my other knives personally.
i can never have too many personally.

I also looked at the cheapo Kershaws, the big ones that are like $15-$25 on Amazon, were marked up to $35-$40, and just waay too big. Thought I wanted a Brawler one day. That would have just sat in my drawer forever. It's good to see knives in person. It's crazy how big a difference a 1/4" or 3/8" can make in hand/ in pocket. Guy was helpful, and suggested a Kershaw Pico, but wanted $44 for it.

Just don't know if I want to buy several cheapo Kershaws, or get the nice $30+ RAT 2 or higher end Kershaw.

>>32893164
lightweight is your friend, so maybe go with a folder. Don't bother getting an expensive knife unless you're ok losing a $100 tool. expensive knives are cool, but losing one is like pissing your money away. If you're not retarded and don't misplace your stuff, by all means, have at it. But it's better to learn off a piece of crap then buy a better knife.

never get serrated edges unless you plan on cutting a lot of rope, even then resist getting it. serrated edges are a bitch to sharpen and they're only good for steak knives (due to glass or ceramic dining plates). folders should always be flat grind or hollow. you want a strait knife with no recurve, and a slight drop point. the tip of the knife should be in line with the handle. and lastly, a blade should be about 3" to 5", short blades suck balls. and never buy a batman wing fighter's knife, they're fucking retarded, a strait blade is just as deadly as any "combat EDC"

as for EDC folder, I'd say go with either:
-Gerber AR $38
-TAC Force TF-469 $9
-Columbia River M16 $47
-Columbia River Drifter $23
-Kershaw OSO Sweet $24
-Kershaw Skyline $38
-Schrade SCH404L Ceramic $22 *insanely sharp and light weight
-Schrade SCH309 $12
-Schrade SCH216 $10 *Lweight, good steel
-Ka-Bar Jarosz $40
-Ka-Bar Dozier $20 *super light and good steel
-SOG Fusion Salute $35
-ESEE Avispa Frame Lock $40 *very strong

get something cheap first, then buy your spiderco or benchmade

>>32893809
>batman wing fighter's knife
Karambit, never buy a Karambit. they're retarded as fuck as useless as a knife

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>>32893464
The RAT 2 for all intensive purposes is identical to the RAT 1 just scaled down. I bought a RAT 1 for a female friend of mine and figured it was a bit too big, so I bought the RAT 2 (pic related) and gave that to her. The Skyline is like an in between size.

>>32890987

Not OP, let him post what he wants. It's his life, why should he change his shit for lil special snowflake faggots like yourself? If you don't like what you see, don't post. Or post some thing that makes OP choice of knife, look even more gayer than what it is.

>>32890967
Ewwww, a tanto point *vomits*

>>32893949
>Ewwww, a tanto point *vomits*
That's a CS Recon, it's a damn good blade

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Soooo many choices.......

How many knives do you guys have in your collection?

I'm thinking about getting a RAT2 and then a cheapo folder in the sub $20 range.

>>32893809
Thanks for post. A lot. Also
>ESEE Avispa
Did Ontario copy ESEE or did ESEE copy the RAT handle?
>>32893912
Thanks, so did she not like the RAT1? I haven't seen either in person. Leaning towards RAT2 only from seeing 3.4-3.6" knives with huge handles turned me off.

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>>32893949
>>32893984

OP here, the American Tanto is defiantly not my favorite type of design, not the best for actual outdoor use, but I do really like the looks of the San Mia Recon Tanto, hence why I got it. Really I was mostly interested in the steel, this was my first laminated blade.

It could be worse... Just look at these two I sharpened this summer.

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Are there any double blade knives that have a short wide stubby Kershaw Shuffle type blade paired with a long skinny drop point or spear point?

Pic related are among my favorite EDC to have.

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>>32894031
Yeah the RAT line is good. I happen to own *cough cough* a "few" Skylines, along with the Rat 1, and a Chill. (pic related) I have no experience with the Dozier or Drifter.

Out of the three I have, the Skyline and Rat are the best. Between the Rat 2 and Skyline though, I would get the Skyline. The Rat 2 is large enough to be kind of a size above the others.

Not to ad confusion... But I have a CRKT Ripple (looks like the Chill) and it's really good. I don't have it at the moment, my gf is borrowing it for work.

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>>32894031
Oh and the skylines in the Pic:
Top is a Blue/Blackwash BladeHQ exclusive
Bottom is an Orange Fixed (no longer made)
Right is a Damascus one
Left is a normal
and the center is the Carbon Fiber/s30v (pic related)

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anyone got a go-to outdoorsy knife?

>>32894177
Are those Skylines on the sides bigger? The blue and center ones look smaller. Which ones have the 3" blade?

It's just so hard to choose without seeing them in person.

>>32894245
All Skylines have the same dimensions, it's just their location in the pic.

All of those besides the regular are well over $40 though, so you are looking at the Regular.

I would say your best options are:
Rat 1 if you want a larger knife (still a medium folder though)
Kershaw Skyline for the medium, imo the best small edc size.
and the Rat 2 or CRKT Ripple for a small knife, in my opinion a little small for me at lest.

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>>32894234

>>32894031
i have 2 fixed blades for camp chores
the TOPS BOB and Anaconda 7b

1 balisong (garbage), 1 folder dagger Gerber Applegate-Fairbairn (ruined), 2 folders cheap.

I'm thinking of getting the TOPS scandi trekker as my EDC. I like tops knives a lot. the tops C.U.T. 4.0 looks like a EDC beast.

I'll get a new balisong from benchmade and maybe a Schrade SCH003 for a new folder.

as for you, id go with the dozier, it's half the price, half the weight and made of the same material the RAT 2 is made out of.

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>>32894320
forgot the scandi trekker pic
>that ergonomic handle

So many god damn choices. Might go with 2 contrasting knives for work. How does this sound:

Kershaw Skyline paired with a Kershaw Half Ton

Or

Kershaw Chill paired with a Kershaw Shuffle

skinny blade for slicing & fat blade from prying

>>32891156
The women I have been with said you never need more than 3 inches.

>>32894076
send them back to tops to get resharpened you fool

>>32894234
hundreds, how much do you want to pay?

>>32892338
Just bought it the other day actually, my entryway into more expensive knives.

>>32894360
Kershaw Skyline is a great choice, good steel, beautiful design, good edge geometry, light weight. for 40 dollars you get a well rounded knife.

don't mind me, i like cheap, reliable steel. schrade everyday

>>32894436
oh i wasnt asking for a recommendation, i just want to see other peoples knives

>>32894424
Lol... Not with a mirror edge they won't. More so, I was sharpening these for a customer.

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>>32894494
havnt used it yet, waiting for warmer weather

>>32894512
nice
i wish i would see more knives with the ferro striker at the bottom.

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>>32894234
Thank's a lot BirdMan, this literally took me the better part of 20 minutes to figure out. I could not come up with 1 knife, instead 11 divided into 3 heaps. Understand, I live in the woods for 2 1/2 months a year, and in that time I carry a fixedblade everyday. So I rotate a lot like I do my folders.

From smallest to biggest:

For carving
-CRKT Minimalist
-Gavkoo EDC
-1970's Tapio Wirkkala Puukko
-Gavkoo T-Rex

For general carry
-Rock Creek Pronghorn Skinner
-Rock Creek Nyala
-Kaybar Becker BK-15 with Micarta
-Ontario Blackbird

I carry when bushwhacking with a machete/ax/chain saw
-Buck/Tops Nighthawk
-Knife I made
-Ontario SP-10

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>>32894593

>Birdman
DAMN

>Gavkoo T-rex

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>>32894645

lol thanks... and yeah got ya name wrong.

Yeah it's one of my favorites, it has such amazing edge geometry, it just slices really well. This is actually some of his really early work. The T-rex maybe from his first batch, and the EDC was about 8 months latter. It is amazing the quality difference between them, you can see how fast he improved. I can only imagine what his work must be now.

I bought the Gavko EDC and T-Rex off of a guy on YouTube a few years back. He had to sell them because he need money for school. I got them DIRT CHEAP, I got them together for like $160 or something around there. They are worth like 4 times that new.

>>32894773
nice gets dude.

>>32894512
I better see that bitch get dirty

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Hope I don't get banned for this but, would you guys buy knives I make? I only finished one, and it turned out alright. I used oxygen/ acetylene torches for the heat treat, following the medium cherry red glow color before squelch. They would all be 1080 Carbon steel. Not the hardest or toughest. Would probably charge just ten dollars + shipping since I'm just starting out. Or should I go to a forum for this kind of thing?

>>32894890
Actually maybe like $15-$20, for materials + SOME labor. I would of course, be losing on the time&labor end.

I don't mean to b a h8ter, but anyone else think Spyderco's are ugly? Like, a cheezy Chinese wannabe original atrocity of knives? Up there with spike brass knuckles and downward curving daggers and fantasy katanas?

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>>32894823
I actually did not realize how many fixedblades I had.. I have 18.

>>32895053
What is the name of the KA Bar top left? I used to have one. Lost it. Came with black and tan scales right?

Of ALL of those, if you went camping with some buddies, which one would you bring? Might do fishing, but definitely going to have some canned baked beans

>>32895008
+1
a few spyders are ok, rest of ew

>>32895053
>no condors

you know what im gonna say
kek

>>32894890
So you heat it up to a cherry red (no longer magnetic), dip it in the oil to quench it... Then do you temper it by heating it to the oil glow and letting it cool slowly? Other wise it's gonna be really brittle.

The method I've used before is placing the hardened blade on a larger piece of metal that is at an oil glow and just letting it lay there until safe to touch... that normally will give you 55ish hrc depending on the steel.

>>32894890
$20-25 is a reasonable price.
you gotta take into account the time you spent, and the stuff you used and bought

that being said, if i wasn't a poor fag at the moment id be happy to buy from you

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>>32895096
It is a BK-15 and it has a larger variation called the BK-5. Yes does come with black and tan scales, I bought Micarta ones for it.

If I could only bring ONE knife, Probably would be my Buck/tops Nighthawk... But Ideally I would bring three; a Heavy duty, general carry, and carving knife.

If I could bring three, if would be my Ontario SP-10, (Kabar) Becker BK-15, and Gavko T-rex

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>>32895117
Yeah I'm surprised I don't have any yet too. There fixed blades just never appealed to me, besides a few that came out this year, I'm going to have to get some.

I really like their Machetes, I've handled and used a few, but oddly enough I don't own any of them as well, just Cold Steels.

What's a good fixed blade for general innawoodsing and camp use? Just got a benchmade barrage for edc and an esee 3 for light stuff

>>32895261
Really need a budget, because my answers would vary greatly. Of my 18 fixedblades (see >>32895053 ) I would say 7-9 of them could be considered general around the camp use.

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>>32895261
i will always recommend a condor Hudson bay

thy can be had for sub 50 (if youre lucky sub 40)

on amazon

what should I look for in a knife that a folding utility razor with 10 blades in the handle will not provide. Inb4 prying tool

>>32895317

god damn it

knife center not amazon

i guess amazon works too,

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Also have a buck 55 and a benchmade hidden canyon. What else could I get that I'm missing?

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>>32895342
Really for most people a utility razor is fine, the most common use for a knife in urban life is opening boxes and stuff, and if anything a razor maybe better for that... and I say this as a guy with a few grand of knives.

I'll argue that a folding knife is better for larger cuts (like cutting into something), carving, rope, opening bottles (depends on the design of utility razor though), and are just more fun to play with. Folding knives are more than a tool for me, but may just fall into the idea of functional "man jewelry"

>>32895317
Great knife. More just a leave it at the camp knife though

>>32895400
Well that's all personal opinion... what do you want? You all ready have all the utility one could need.

>>32895342
Kershaw Shuffle. Bottle opener. Nice carver. $12.50 Amazon if you dont care for getting your favorite color. $13 for generic all black.

>>32895425
Is love an auto or otf but lolcanada. I wante a small edc fixed blade but got that covered now. I want a nice slipjoint knife like case or something

>>32895439
this knife looks like it would fit my needs thanks anon

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Anyone got one of these?
thinking about getting one and wondering if ice pick grip can be done with it

>>32894890
I'd buy the clean straight looking one, pointing down right

>>32895517
That's like the new fudd-tactical knife. I've seen a lot of range attendants with it on their belt.

Just get a regular knife idiot, then you can do actual knife stuff more easily. That thing is designed for a specific and retarded purpose.

>>32895517
I own one, and no you can't. The blade curves forward, toward your knuckles.

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>>32891239
You got..... every time I see that picture

>>32895517
I got one out of curiosity. Let me just say, it's a piece of shit. Save the approximately $50 and buy something more worth your time and money.

>>32895637
>Just get a regular knife idiot,
i have regular knives just wanted to see how people liked it, calm down spazz

No body needs assault knifes, little lone kitchen knifes of any kind, you all should turn these in to the police immediately.

Do balisongs make for good general purpose knifes or are they just for parlor tricks

>>32890987
So much bait on /k/ these days

>knifes
are we 12? It's Knives.

>>32896214
Ya bait is way too obvious to get any bites.

>>32896236
Personally I find Balis impractical. They are great for collection and just fun... and hurting your self... but in most places they are illegal to carry and if they aren't they still will scare the shit out of people around you. But if you want to carry one anyways for the fun of it, more power to you.

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>>32896314
I was just making fun of the britbongs and that shit knife statue that is literally all kitchen knives.

>>32891156
Probably 3-4 inches, my area doesn't have very strict laws, i'm not downtown much, and when i use a knife around normies it usually ends up being a conversation starter rather than scary. I also have p big hands so i need the extra grip length.

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Didnt know there was a /ktg/. Posted in another thread I'm trying to get one of these. Really don't care for frn scales so if I get it then I definitely plan to change them out.

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>>32897565
Well right now you can buy it in tan G-10/ZPD-189 from BladeHQ, of course it's not going to be cheap with that kind of steel. $210.. A bout what my Laminated ZPD-189 Al Mar Eagle goes for.

http://www.bladehq.com/item--Spyderco-Stretch-2-Knife-Brown-G-10--26835

>>32897634
Yeah, I'm looking at getting it for much cheaper. I'll share the price tomorrow when it's secured.

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>>32897685
Cool I'll look forward to it. The Stretch is a bit of an odd ball, over looked often. I almost bought the Supper Blue sprint run.

Odd ball Spydercos are my favorite though, my favorite knife of all time is the Tuff and the Junior is up there to.

>>32893164
Go ahead and get a morakniv for like 15 bucks. Perfectly fine tool that will last if you take proper care of it. They can take a good amount of abuse as well.

>>32890967
But is it ready for the coconut test?

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>>32890967
Now this is a knife

>>32899878

That's a Famas.

>>32895286
Willing to spend up to 200

>>32897894
I think it looks like an oversized delica. With a bit more belly. Kind of wish they kept it as a staple knife rather than continue doing sprint runs on it. I imagine that's why the price on these are kind of outrageous.

>>32900094
At that price point you have a lot of options... Personally I would go with Bark River Knives, Survive! knives, Blackjack knives, Fallkniven, or Swamp Rat if you want a tank. But I think Swamp Rat is building up a new line up and not producing knives right now.

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>>32900228
Secured for $135.

>>32900811
Awesome. Is it a VG-10 or a ZPD-189?

>>32900863
Zdp-189. It's a factory second with no glaring issues. Guess I'll see what's wrong with it when I get it.

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>>32895400
hk feint

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>>32895400

A Morakniv Companion. Cheap, (like $12), tough, beautifully simple. Swedish-made, so you know it wasn't made by sweatshop workers so an Indonesian factory owner could rip you off.

It perfectly fulfills the purpose of a fixed blade: it's a tool you can abuse when you meet an unexpected obstacle, without worrying about damaging your $50-200 knife. If it breaks--and it won't--just buy a couple more. It's a knife you can lean on, which is the point.

You can also get it in blue or red or bright orange and sheep won't be scared because they'll see it as a tool.

I appreciate good knives. I've got a few Benchmade folders, a Spyderco, a D2 Ontario RAT-3 and an ESEE 6. My favorite is my orange Mora Companion because I never think twice about taking it anywhere or using it for anything. That's really what a knife is for.

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>>32900966
>caring about sheeple

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Idk if this is potato or not.. Most of my pictures to friends are a but fuzzy because speed

>>32900811
I have one that I got for $100. Is that the Stretch 1 british racing green or the 2? Because for some reason the 2 is now $115 as opposed to the 1 for $145 originaly

>>32901622
Think it's a 2. British racing green.

>>32900966
SS or carbon

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Update on this knife I bought recently if any of you paid any attention to the post, have discovered a single downside to it

The blade is too long, the tip of it is so close to the butt of the knife that if you are wearing loose fitting pants it can grab onto the fabric and open up inside your pocket, if you're not carrying it clipped

>>32893213
Anyone?

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Is the Endura 4 the best EDC blade you can buy for ~80 dollars?

>>32903072
I don't think there is such thing as "The best" different people have different needs, for example when I am doing my manual labor job I want something more heavy duty than an Endura, so I bring my Code4.

But yes the Endura is one of the best options at that price point.

>>32903118
Is there something inherently weak about the Endura that no one mentions? Is it because the blade is a bit thin?

>>32903222
Nothing really wrong with it, it will obviously work fine for any normal cutting task, in fact really well given the thin blade and all, and evening light prying and stabbing.

But it does have a very thin blade and a very acute point. Honestly a lot about thicker bladed knives is not even that they are stronger, but they give more confidence.

Like I said though, normally I prefer to carry thinner blades (or thinner geometry) when I'm not working manual labor. Because they are better at cutting.

>>32900966

>because I never think twice about taking it anywhere or using it for anything

I do the same thing with my s30v and s110v PM2s. I know guys that'll pocket full custom folders and not think anything of it.

It's all relative.

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I impulse bought a $10 knife at Harbor Freight and it's amazingly not shit. Nice grippy G10, decent steel for the money (8cr), solid grind and finishing, and after a clean and lube it actually flips decently. I'm kind of shocked.

>>32903118
Ugly, so it doesn't get my vote. I'd say Cold Steel Code 4 gets my vote.

>>32905518
I've noticed that the people that talk shit on Harbor Freight usually don't even use tools to make a living. They have some stuff worth buying, and some stuff not. It's it's disposable, it's probably better to get HF than HD. Considering safety glasses n basic stuff at home depot starts at $4.99+ and is the exact same shit.

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>>32903072
It's a solid choice.

Namefag, I ordered a shuffle and kbar dozier. I'm holding out on the Skyline for when I get a raise or something.

What are your guys' next possbile knife purchases?

I hate looking at knives at shops and then buying online. Is it wrong to ask if a shop would match Amazon's pricing or am I a complete Jew?

>>32906488
It kind of depends. My experience as somebody who used tools for a living for a few years was that really simple HF stuff tends to last pretty well, and some of their more complex tools are surprisingly good, like their torque wrenches (plenty accurate for lug nuts) or their digital calipers (99% as accurate as a Starret but 10% of the price.) We had high-end stuff for high-end work but for day to day stuff some of their tools are pretty usable.

That said, their power tools are pretty much trash. Some are acceptable for home shop use - I have one of their 1"x30" belt sanders and like it - but I wouldn't put one in a real shop. I also won't go near their ratchets, their only worthwhile sockets are the impact ones, and any kind of hand tool that needs to be precisely machined usually isn't precise enough, torx drivers are a good example. Some of their precision equipment is surprisingly OK, though, like their digital calipers.

>>32905518
Not bad. Handle looks cheezy, but if it can hold a sharp edge, it's a winner.

>>32906657
I personally love their wire strippers. That's what I started with, cause being tight on $, then thought I'd reward myself with a pair of Kleins. They wore out just as fast as the Pittsburgh budget ones. Truck got stolen, long story short, didn't lose too much $$ from tools, and easily bought it all back, including duplicates.
>>32891156
^pic of the $35 strippers, and virtually identical $4.99 stripper. But last just as long with heavy use.

What are your guys' next possbile knife purchases?

I hate looking at knives at shops and then buying online. Is it wrong to ask if a shop would match Amazon's pricing or am I a complete Jew?

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>>32894890
Where are you based? I just told /k/ I was going to make custom knives for them too. I'm in eastern PA.

>>32906931
Southern California.

>>32906562
i would consider paying a $3-$4 stocking fee. to cover the man's salary

>>32890991
Spyderco Delica 4
Morakniv Companion
Benchmade Griptillian
Opinel carbon no 07

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>>32906562
I'm actually not looking at knives to buy right now... I have no budget for it, I bought a $650 longsword a few months ago and waiting on that.

But I may buy a few short term list knives: Cold Steel machetes and cheaper knives (sub $50) which is pretty much like shit posting for me. A few Condor's on my list too.

As for more expensive knives on my long term list... and just a few on my list:
-Al Mar Jig Bone Eagle
-Kansei Matsuno F011
-ZT 0095 blackwash
-Lion Steel TRE
-Some Microtech OTF, maybe the Combat Trodon
-A mid-sized Bark River Knives
-Cold Steel Ultimate Hunter
-Spyderco blue/s110v PM2
-Sebenza
-A Strider (pic related)

>>32906562
I would love to have a knife store around me... but there are non with in at lest 30 miles. I live in Nj.... If there were, I would gladly spend more and give them business. I live in Maine in the summers, there are some sport stores with a decent selection, but normally just Buck, Case, Gerber, Kershaw, and a few other more budget friendly brands.

As a result I am not able to handle most of the knives I buy before I get them. So I do a shit ton of research and watch a bunch of reviews first... There are very few knives I have bought that I don't like as a result.

>>32906931
Oh cool, I'm in Nj, right near Philly... Around Cherry Hill if you know where that is.

>>32894890
Interested

Are there any knives with sterling silver or maybe like, cobalt, cadmium, tungsten, or any cool lesser known elements? I look at the periodic table and think there has got to be more use out of all the metals than iron, nickel, chromium and vanadium.

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>>32907559
>wanting a knife made of noble gases

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>>32907559
A few random facts I know:

Well Super Blue steel uses a lot of Tungsten. Pic Related is my super blue Kanetsune Nishiki

Also a lot of higher end pocket knives use Titanium handles. I have seen some Titanium keychain knives (I have one somewhere) and Gavko made some with carbonized edges. I've even seen someone make a composite Carbon Fiber/Titanium blade.

I have a letter opener with a Sterling Silver handle and a mother of pearl blade, but as a whole Silver, gold, ect... are two soft to make op the actual cutting edge. The most expensive modern knife ever sold (Gem of the Orient) is solid gold with gems, but it's obviously for display.

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>>32907559
idk but this looks neat. I think the bolsters are titanium. damascus steel. and marblized carbon scales.

>>32891079
google Marbles Game Getter or folding bowie knife

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Just ordered pic related. Did I fuck up?

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>>32907836
You ordered it from a legit site for a realistic price?

If so, no not at all. I really like Hinderers design, and they are really well made. More so they retain value pretty well, normally if it's in good condition you can sell it at a loss of like $100.

I've only gotten the chance to very briefly handle one... but besides that my budget only allows the ZT Hinderers (pic related)
Make sure to post it on /k when you get it. Would love some up close shots.

>>32907897
>>32907836
wtf i genuinely thought this was like a ~$15 walmart knife

plastic mold looks to me like super cheap mass production

>>32907897
Almost bought the ZT 0562cf but I caved and I got the Hinderer.

>>32907917
It's a G-10 handle on one side... it's not molded it's carved out by machine. The other side of the handle is Titanium, and high end steel like 20cv and s35vn.

>>32907968
What size you get? XM-18 3" or 3.5" or XM-24? And what blade style, the one in the pic?

If I had the budget I would go for the Hinderer too. But the ZT's are no joke, considering they use Bearings even... I'm kind of surprised that he has kept with phosphor-bronze for his actual knives. Unless he has, I've been out of the loop for a while.

>>32908162
The one in the pic. XM-18 with the spanto. Was thinking about the "fatty" but went with the original. The customization options also were a plus. Might swap out the G10 for a titanium scale eventually.

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i know that the whole "set angle sharpening system" is the main thing among most of the people on here, but what is your go to freehand sharpening stuff?
>hey im fuckboy i dont know shit about freehand sharpening halp

what would you recommend to that fuckboy?

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Why does Leatherman put such a low angle grind on thin blades?
I only cut up some thin leather and a plastic package and there are already burrs and dings on the edge. 420 hc sucks man. Should've gone for the vic.

>>32907836

I've been on the fence about a hinderer for the better part of a year but currently the only ones that really interest me over newer designs are the m390 no choil spantos.

I'd probably spend way too much swapping out hardware and buying the CF scale he sells for fucking $200 and end up with a hinderer that cost almost as much as the custom wayfarer I want.

>>32908314
easier to put your own edge over it???
id be down with leatherman if the blades werent 420hc

>>32908246

>what would you recommend to that fuckboy?

Practicing with cheap production knives and sending your good blades to a professional with a guided system until you're experienced. Accept the limitations of freehand sharpening.

Also get used to never being able to sell/trade anything you've sharpened. I turn down 100% of freehanded blades unless it was done by either the maker or someone I know does good work. The amount of ruined bevels and absolutely fucked up blades I've seen will haunt me forever.

>>32908314

They aren't really primary cutting tools. I'd consider the blades in any multitool to be a backup of a backup.

Try a microbevel and see if it holds up any better.

>>32899887
Kek

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>>32908246
Here is my complete set up, note I sharpen for a small income that supports my blade hobby, so I have a lot more equipment than most.

I primarily use a Wicked Edge (I can run you through all the stones and attachments I have if you want) but I'm pretty good at free hand too, I started free handing long before I had a set angle system.

For the rough work I use a very old (was my Grandfathers) and large Norton Try Stone, then if I want a higher polish I move up to water stones, I have 4k, 6k and 8k (pick related, sorry it will be upsidedown sorry). Then I have a straight razor strop and a strop block for final polish. Also the Spyderco Sharpmaker is great for fast touch ups and serrations.

I also free hand axes, swords, machetes, cleavers, ect... on a 1x30 belt sander. Thinking about getting a Work Sharp though for swords.

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From a recent vacation in Japan

>>32908955
i usually just go with arkansas stones and go through a softer arkansas up to a hard arkansas, or a translucent if im feeling uppity. ive mostly been looking to stray from them a tad bit to see what other options for sharpening i have. would you recommend high grit waterstones if i already have higher grit arkansas stones already? also, what do you think would be a great lower grit stone to use? any recommendations from you?

>>32909042
V nice set, i dont cook really but i envy nice kitchen knives

>>32906837

The rusted out klien is the result of someone who has a bad habit of laying their strippers in water.

Anyone else so hyped about the 2017 releases that they are saving for them rather than buying ones you currently want now?

I'm way too excited about the Spyderco Paul Alexander Sliver. A compression lock flipper with the ergonomics of the Ouroboros but with better steel and carbon fiber... just makes my mouth water and my dick hard. There's at least 10 other knives I really want right now but that one has piqued my interest. My wallet is ready.

The Caribbean is cool too, and I am really hoping for Para 3 sprints and a Maxamet Manix 2 with g10 scales. Also want to see how the Benchmade 87 turns out (my wallet is NOT ready for that one... yet), and the new ZT0055 hidden flipper looks like it'll be fun to play with though I won't get one. Can't wait for my next trip to BladeHQ.

>>32908246

I primarily sharpen freehand and what types of stones I use is mainly dictated by how polished an edge I want.

If I want a coarse apex finish that can be applied quickly and is well suited to large volumes of slicing work then I will use a Norton India combination coarse/fine oilstone.

If I want a fairly polished apex finish like the kind I run on my EDC knives normally (equivalent of about 4K grit) then I use Sigma Power Select II waterstones (which are the fastest cutting waterstones in existence) and shape my edge bevel at 1,000 and 3,000 grit before applying a microbevel with an abrasive that doesn't shed grit (E.g. DMT EEF, Spyderco M, 16 micron CBN on a balsa strop).

If you want to learn how to freehand, I recommend watching this video, getting some cheap knives, a Norton India IB8 coarse/fine oilstone, some mineral oil, and practicing until you can consistently produce the sharpness demonstrated at the end of the video:

https://youtu.be/cWU_qTp3DLM

>>32908556

Having to send out your good blades for sharpening just means you will be afraid to use them because they will spend most of their lives moderately to totally dull.

I would strongly recommend learning to freehand or buying a guided system yourself rather than sending your knives out to be sharpened. Just make sure you practice on cheap knives until you get decent at it.

>>32909191

I think waterstones are really only a good choice if you use a fairly high level of polish on your apexes. For coarse finishes (I.e. ~320 grit) a Norton India F, Norton Crystolon F, DMT C, or Atoma 400 would all be better choices and would certainly work much faster than any Arkansas stones.

For fine finishes waterstones are fantastic because they work quickly and leave a fine finish relative to their grit, greatly speeding grit jumps to a high polish. They are not cheap though as you need a flattening plate (DMT XXC or Atoma 140) and multiple stones.

If none of your knives have more than 3% vanadium (so less wear resistant than s30v) then King stones are a cheap and effective option. If you want to be able to sharpen more wear resistant steels this way I recommend Sigma Power Select II waterstones as they are made of silicon carbide and have almost no binder meaning they shed grit easily and thus have an EXTREME cutting speed compared to most waterstones.

>>32911323

Right but I'm not telling someone who is just starting to freehand to sharpen super steels on expensive knives because that's a recipe for disaster.

Who the fuck freehands midtechs and customs anyway?

>>32911770
People who use them. I freehand my customs. Once you get a hang of it on cheaper steels it ain't that hard.

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>>32910483
I'm always excited for the new years releases, normally mostly for ZT, Spyderco, and Cold Steel.

But this year I'm liking where Condor is going the most.

And the 0055 is on my list for sure, maybe a long time before I have the budget for $150+ knives, but when I start work again after this semester, I'll be tempted.

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>>32911910
gotta say i'm excited for CS too, just wish they'd make this is something other than damascus, though it looks nice

>>32911795

I guess you never plan on selling or swapping, in which case it doesn't really matter, but I've lost track of the number of freehand "sharpened" out of production knives I've had to turn down because they absolutely FUCKED the factory bevels. I'm talking like ~16 degrees on one side and over 20 on the other. Entire bevels turned into convex abortions blending into the primary grind.

Too many idiots trying to hock damaged blades in private groups led to me requiring macro shots because inevitably some shitass will ruin a one-off and try to dump it.

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>>32912127

Ha, at least they're not thinning their primary grinds on a ~90 grit stone and running ~10 degree per side edge bevels...

>>32912127
Sometimes I use that as a leverage point to buy a used knife for cheaper. There is very little edge damage/fuck ups that can't be fixed in a regrind and polished out to look natural.

There are some knives that really can't/should not be sharpened with an angle system. My Gavko T-rex and EDC for example (see pic related >>32894773). Gavko is a genius when it comes to edge geometry, would not want to ruin that with a "V" bevel. So I free hand them of water stones. I think I blended the polish pretty well.

>>32907273
You make knives too?

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>>32912298
Not really, I have a bunch of 1095 laying around, but I never did anything with it, plan on doing something one day, I have the stuff I need to do it. I only "made" one knife. It's mild steel though that I case hardened, but have since reground, which negated the case hardening.

It's the 2nd largest one in this pic, the slender bayonet looking one. Nothing fancy.

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>>32901412
>fuzzy because speed

>>32912271

I actually sort of want to buy an endura or delica to try this on. I don't know what it is about their Japanese models because I normally don't have any interest in backlocks but I really want to carry one for a while.

>>32912292

>Sometimes I use that as a leverage point to buy a used knife for cheaper.
>There is very little edge damage/fuck ups that can't be fixed in a regrind and polished out to look natural.

Not a bad idea to score a cheaper user.

In some cases, absolutely. I've salvaged plenty of chipped edges and mismatched botch jobs and saved a lot of money in doing so. In cases where some dingus convexes a previously well-shouldered bevel, I'd have to remove so much steel that it would be obvious to me and anyone else that's handled that particular knife before. Like I said, for users it's not that big of a deal provided you have or don't mind making a sharpening choil to work with. What gets me is guys that spend months to years waiting on someone's books for a spectacular 1-of-1 and think they can grind away and dump it for secondary market prices.

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>>32912522

The Endura gives a lot of cutting edge length and has the least overtly thick blade geometry you can get in a folder with a cutting edge that long.

Even so, the fact that you can thin out the primary grind to ~0.035" thick at 1/4" behind the apex and put a 10 degree per side edge bevel with a 20 DPS microbevel and it will hold up just fine in EDC use tells you just how overly thick other folders blade geometries are. Remember that a stock Endura blade is at least ~25% thinner everywhere than any ZT.

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>>32912792
I'm curious, how thick it your Endura behind the bevel? I tend not to god supper thin, because I have chipped thin bevels on thicker Zip Ties before, admittedly from torquing the knife, which sometimes is hard to avoid while reaching into a, whatever, trying to cut a zip tie.

My thinnest EDC's are about 25 thousandths behind the primary bevel, an typically I run around 17dps with no secondary. My thinnest geometry knife is my Gavko EDC at ~.012 above the bevel (it's 0 convex, so "bevel" is a bit subjective) and about ~.042 at roughly .25 up from the bevel. (>>32894773 is pic related)

Also, not all ZT's are complete tanks, my 0770 is roughly the same as a PM2, so not Endura thin, but not thick by any measure.

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>>32913088

I usually measure at standardized distances behind the apex (1/32" behind to approximate the "at the shoulder" measurement used by most, and 1/3" behind to give a sense of blade geometry).

My HAP40 Endura is thinned out such that it's ~0.035" at 1/4" behind the apex and ~0.010" at 1/32" behind the apex. Probably fairly close to your Gavko EDC, since that kind of lean grind is what I am typically aiming for in my EDC knives.

Only production folder that was that thin from the factory is my Spydiechef, which was in the ~0.035" at 1/4" and ~0.015" at 1/32" behind the apex from the factory. Just had to lower the edge bevel angle to what I prefer and put a microbevel on it.

>>32914330
This inspires an interesting topic (at lest in my mind) I'll reply in a while when I'm not on my phone and not in my Calc II

Is there too much shilling about steel types among knives? I feel like you have to spend a LOT of money for slightly harder/ stronger blades. However some of my favorite knives I've had, I found out, are 420 and 440 HC which seems to be garbage according to internetfaggots. Yet I know I've had some "mid-grade" stuff I thought was junk.

What are some of the cheapest, most effective sharpening products on the market? Right now I just have a Grit stone from Home Depot that would probably be best defined as COARSE and VERY VERY COARSE on the other. It puts a wicked edge on cheap kitchen knives at least. Feels like 150 and 300 grit sand papers

>>32914670
This is a big generalization, but:

This is the law of diminishing returns. Once you get to spending the minimum for a functional product, anything after that will cost more and more for less and less improvements.

I don't trust 440, if I were to get a 440 knife it would be based on if I think the brand will give it a proper heat treat. 420Ch though is not a bad steel, people tend to shit on it and AUS8a, CrMoV, ect... just because they are entry level steels. They are like the minimum in functionality. So it's like bringing a Toyota to a car show with Ferraris, of course people are going to talk crap.

As for your experience with mid-grade stuff, you would have to give more examples.. Further more at any "grade" there are always some duds.

>>32914937
I would say mid-grade experience as Buck and Gerber. Both low end and more pricey knives. Like you mentioned, now maybe I'm wrong but I believe the proper heat treatment is more important than what exactly the alloy truly is. Like, if the steel is setup the way it should be, it's a fine instrument. If it got too hot, cooled too slowly, then it will have quirks. Regardless of the metals used.

>>32914670

Quality of heat treatment often matters a lot more than steel choice, and a lazy or messed up HT can make any steel perform like crap.

Even more than the over emphasis on steel choice, the problem is the relentless shilling of highly wear resistant steels as if that is the only steel property that matters for knife edges and toughness, apex stability, corrosion resistance and cost don't exist as criteria.

>>32914830

If you want cheap and fast and aren't looking for a super fine finish then Norton India combo coarse/fine oilstones or Norton Crystolon combination coarse/fine oilstones can't be beat for value vs. effectiveness.

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>>32914330
*warning, random rambling*

It is not supper common to find knifefags that are into supper sharp geometry knives. Why?

If you break down the core functionality of a knife, it is to cut. By making a knife really thin you greatly improve it's ability to cut. Yet most knives, and not even just modern ones, are thicker than they need to be (given the steel they use), for cutting the medium they are designed for. Why you think this is?

I think they are a bit thicker to add a bit of abuse protection against accidents (twisting the edge) and people who don't know how to use knives... Otherwise people would say stuff like "this knife breaks too easily". Also thicker edges hold longer, less sharpening, which most people are not practiced/have equipment for. And in some cases, like choppers, they need thickness for the weight so it will chop well, but they still tend to have thicker edges than needed.

Besides some kitchen knife makers, some production knives (like the Endura), Gavko, and Carter Cutlery, I don't know of any somewhat popular manufactures that make super thin geometry knives. And maybe Rockstead, but their grinds don't seem supper thin, just their edge geometry.

>>32914937
what steel do you consider a "Ferrari"?

>>32915044

For production makers it's a matter of minimizing warranty, heat treatment and QC costs as well as supporting the marketing around "super steels"

The thicker the blade stock and blade geometry the less likely clueless users are to damage the knife by being dumb, the more lax your heat treatment process and protocols can be, the less sensitive to QC the blades are and the less likely to have their edges burnt in dry power sharpening, and the less noticeable HT induced differences in performance will be.

Meanwhile, thicker edge geometries and thicknesses also compensate for the lower apex stability of high vanadium content steels, enabling marketing and pricing around wear resitance (even though a thin blade that is dull will often make cuts with as little force as a thick blade that is sharp).

If you want thin blades your choices are custom makers like Gavko, Carter Cutlery, etc or Spydercos and regrinds.

Hopefully the success of the Spydiechef encourages Sal to make some more really thin bladed Spydercos.

>>32914937
>I don't trust 440
what about something like a Randall Made Knives knife? they make knives in 440B, but they use a temp controlled oven and an oil quench. Puma and Boker have had good success with 440C.

>>32915001
Proper heat treat does matter more than the steel, because a bad heat treat can ruin any steel, higher end ones even more so, because generally they require more complicated heat treatments to utilize their advantages.

But that being said, a higher end steel with a proper heat treat will out perform a lower end steel with the best possible heat treat, assuming those steels are intended for the same purpose.

That's something a lot of people don't get. There are 3 big factors to consider with cutlery steel (maybe 4 if you count price), and the same steel can vary based on heat treatment:

1) Wear Resistance, how well it will hold an edge and sort of, how hard it is to sharpen.

2) General strength, how much can the blade handle before it bends or breaks.

3) Corrosion resistance, how will it rust?

Generally the more you pay the more all 3 go up. But if you want to greatly improve one, you typically have to scarifies others, ex:

ZPD-189: Amazing wear resistance, okay corrosion, horrible strength. Often it will be laminated because of this.

CPM-3V; Amazing strength, okay edge retention, bellow average corrosion resistance.

CPM-M4: Amazing edge retention, okay strength, poor corrosion resistance.

H1 (technically not a steel even): Perfect corrosion resistance (at lest with normal use, it will never rust), but okay at best strength and edge holding.

>>32915044
This is a massive complaint of mine as well.

Part of it is, knife makers are able to get only certain thicknesses of bar stock to cut their blade blanks from. If, for example, they can only get S30V in 1/8" blanks, they're gonna make all their S30V knives have 1/8" thick blades even if a 1/8" thick blade is sub-par.

Not even the super expensive custom knife makers are willing to put in the tool wear and man-hours to grind their bar stock thinner. Let that sink in.

>>32915114

It depends on the mix of steel properties you are looking for.

The over-emphasis on wear resistance in steels means that highly wear resistant steels tend to be quite pricey regardless of how they perform in apex stability (ability to resist microscopic chipping and rolling at the apex), toughness, and corrosion resistance.

If you prioritize other traits above wear resistance (I.e. toughness or apex stability) then cheaper to buy steels can end up being much better performers of they are heat treated correctly.

For an easy example: 1095 @ ~63 HRC will be way better in a kitchen knife than s110v since wear resistance is totally wasted on a kitchen knife and s110v has low apex stability.

>>32915160
what are some steels with decent apex stability ?

1095 kitchen knife? What about these factors:

Can it be dishwashed?

Can it be thrown at a tree stump?


HMMMMMM???????

Oh wait, dats factors #1 and #2

>>32915262
I can't remember the word off the top of my head, but there is a basically a delineation of steel over 0.7 something %, or so, carbon content. anything above that forms carbides and starts affecting grain boundaries. above that percentage, AND start adding elements which form compound carbides (i.e. larger carbides), you make the problem even worse.

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Although, is cutting performance all that matters when you collect knives? It's a dumb sounding question, but it occurred to me on the drive home, that my FAVORITE knife hands down is my Spyderco Tuff.

Objectively the Tuff is a horrible knife in the sense that a knives main utility is to cut. It has an atrociously steep grind (almost .1 1/4' up), the factory bevel is a joke (.03 at heal and .06 at tip), and it has a very small edge length to total length ratio... it's like 1/3. Also being made of CPM-3v, the lock would break far before the blade, so 3v is completely unnecessary.

But I love it. I like the goofy shapes and awkward proportions, the looks have grown on me, I think it looks great. The handle is super ergonomic for me. The action feels great when opening and closing, even though with out fail it will bite my pointer finger knuckle 1/10 times I close it. And it just has the perfect weight and balance. And the fit&finish is near perfect.

That being said I rarely carry it.

>>32915600
how much did you pay for the tuff?its somethiing that id eventually like in my collection but totally backburner

next on my list is the ouroboros, then do a washer swap on it
i really wish it had better steel, s110 , m 390 anything really

though vg10 isnt the end of the world

>>32915262

In general, apex stability increases as carbide volume decreases, as hardness increases, and as grain size decreases.

The Platonic ideal for apex stability would be 1095 or Shirogami #1 at about 67 HRC (where 100% of the steel is converted to martensite) with the smallest possible grain size. Close to that are 1095/Aogami/Shirogami/52100/O-1/A-2/at high hardness.

For stainless steels, steels like AEB-L, 13c26, CTS-BD1, and so on can have very good apex stability at high hardness.

Nitrogen steels like LC200n and Nitrobe 77 also very much for the bill, actually peforming slightly better than AEB-L type steels due to the replacement of carbon with Nitrogen increasing apex stability.

If you don't need corrosion resistance but want to keep as much wear resistance as you can, then tool steels like M2, M4, HAP40 and 3V have fairly high apex stability as well.

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>>32915659
I bought it new years ago, I think they were like $240. But now they seem to have gone way up in value for now, it will probably go down in a year or two.

>>32915694
I'm curious of what you think of s35vn... I've heard many cases of s35vn knives actually having their whole edge roll or warp. Mostly with the Sebenza which seems to be run way to soft. I've only sharpened a few s35vn knives, they seem to polish up really well, but seem like they would not be as wear resistant as s30v.

I kind of feel s35vn is a lower performance steel than s30v, at lest the way most companies heat treat it. Which makes me wonder why most higher end brands are pushing it.

>>32915747
really? ive found zt's s35 to be quite nice
prefer it over s30 from spyderco or benchmade any day

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Hey guys why isn't the Cryo more popular? It's an awesome shape, awesome price, what are the cons?

>>32915799
thumbstud is in the way of the cutting and sharpening path, shit drives me crazy

>>32915694
>The Platonic ideal for apex stability would be 1095
why? 1095 is a carbon content beyond the level needed for full martensite conversion, and starts forming carbides. how could this possibly be the ideal stability? it's not a big deal, but it also isn't "ideal".

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>>32915767
Yeah I sharpened a ZT 0808 (pic related) for my cousin a few times. Like I said, it was easier to sharpen than my s30v knives and seemed to polish faster.

But I have never tested it out, since I don't own any s35vn blades. But I do know that Chris Reeve's s35vn knives seem to be run too soft. I forget the YouTuber, but this guy does a lot of edge retention tests at a standard polish and angle, cutting hemp rope, and his Sebenza actually ended up with a warped edge, which is atrociously bad.

>>32915831
my 0452 seems to keep an edge for a good while , more than the s30's ive used plus ive experienced microchipping with s30 never s35, and yes ive noticed its easier to sharpen

id acgually rather a somewhat softer steel because a dented edge is easier to fix than chipped imho

>>32915799
It was insanely popular when it first came out for a few months, at lest in the YouTube knife circle.

But knives have limited popularity... it's actually a lot like meme trends. And then there are rare ones that are popular for a very long time like the PM2 and Sebenza (like Pepe).

Also >>32915831 is me.

>>32891031
espada lol

>>32915850
>ive noticed its easier to sharpen
nothing in S35 makes it "easier to sharpen". your opinion can be disregarded.

do any of you have experinces with lockbars pushing in with heavy use?
my 0452 locks up relitivley early(less than 50) but with hard use the lockbar and moves to 70-80%lockup or even more then the lock sticks when you try to disengage it,
flipping or opening it any way results in decent earlyish lockup but this hard use issue is bothering me

>>32915883
Yeah I agree it is a subject opinion, probably conformation bias... However, directly from Crucibles web site:

> It (CPM s35vn) is also easier to machine
and polish than CPM S30V

Sauce:
https://www.crucible.com/PDFs%5CDataSheets2010%5CdsS35VNrev12010.pdf

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>>32915884
Well having it push over a little is normal, it means the blade is rocking back on the stop pin and allowing the lockbar to walk over more. The more slop in the pivot, the more it will walk over.

I just pushed down on a few of my Ti (insert) frame locks (Tuff, Ti Military, ZT 0561) and non of them walked over more than maybe 5%.

As for stick, the steel insert should negate a lot of it... But if it still sticks a lot, it means it is walking too far over.

You may want to contact ZT about it, they have really great costumer service. The spring assist on my ZT 0770cf M4 snapped, and they sent me a new spring with in a week no questions asked.

>>32915946
> It (CPM s35vn) is also easier to machine

guess you missed this part...
>in the annealed condition

>>32916000
i think i will contact them with this and see what they want to do about it
it does end up walking a good bit

>>32915884
it's a shit design and biting. you bought a gay knife

>>32916016
Guess I did. Also guess differences in heat treat is too big of a variable to claim one is easier to sharpen or polish with two similar steels.

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Bought this earlier today on sale(pic is not mine tho). Haven't used it for anything yet but feels solid as fuck.

>>32916049
the difference in abrasion resistance of vanadium carbides vs niobium carbides is not enough for you to notice in sharpening an edge

>>32891156
6 inches

>>32915747

S35vn is mostly just s30v with 1% less vanadium (3% instead of 4%) and small amounts of a few other elements to make heat treatment easier.

Don't judge the steel by the laughable heat treatment CRK does on it, but do note that people still give him money hand over fist for knives that will get eaten alive by a Cold Steel in CTS-XHP.

>>32915818

From my understanding it is impractically difficult to take any of the lower carbon 10XX steels to full martensite hardness and that's why 1095 has been used by the few people who have tried it (E.g. Alvin Johnson).

>>32915883

Depending on the type of stones used, someone *might* ,be able to notice the difference between 3% and 4% vanadium in hand sharpening, especially if using sub-optimal abrasive choices (E.g
AlOx or Arkansas stones).

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>>32916412
Once again, I'm fully willing to admit a conformation bias... So anything I'm saying could be clouded by that. And I am hoping you guys will explain why you think I'm wrong, or my opinion is flawed. That's how I (we) can learn from one another.

The difference I felt was while using the diamond stones of my wicked edge starting at 100 going to 1,000. The S35vn feels more "gummy" like the stone sinks in deeper with each pass, leaving cleaner lines, and requiring less passes, where as s30v seems like the stone passes over it with out biting in as much. And on ceramic the s35vn seems like it "grabs" the stone and resists it more.

Based on this s35vn is more comparable in feel to VG-10 or CPM-3v (been a while since I did 3v though). Where as s30v seems more like CTS-XHP (as done by Spyderco and Cold Steel).

I notice that harder steels feel like they don't grab at all and the stones glide right over it, and it's a higher pitched sound as well.. Like CPM-M4 (ZT), ZPD-189 (64-65Hrc as done by Al Mar), VG-1 (Cold Steel), and older very hard 1095 knives (like the chef knife in pic related)

P.S. What do you all think of Japanese White and Blue steel? I have a Blue Steel knife (>>32907724 pic related) but honestly have not used it much or sharpened it.

>>32891122
>pakistan

flush that shit down the toilet where it belongs

I don't know wtf happened to me, but going through this, and the last Knife General thread got me more interested in knives than ever before. Like, I want to go camping or something just to put mine to use. Anyone else with this feel?

>>32894890
I'd buy one depending on the price.

>>32912792

Goddamnit, now I'm looking at a delica, endua and a stretch in that laminated HAP40. I'm trying to buy a USP you guys need to stop.

>>32917352

I use mine at work every day so all these threads make me want to do is buy more knives.

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>>32917352
>>32917486

Yeah this is an interesting thread, I'm actually surprised, it's reminding me of some of my time on CliffStamp's forum.

I've been into knives for 10 or so years, and it's rare than my knowledge gets challenged. Then again I've never really read into detail about cutlery metallurgy

>>32917437
Well with the matching wood scales, (see how the wood blocks are from the same section of wood? It isn't cheap materials. Would you be interested at $30, assuming shipping might be $5? I'm going to get my knife supplies and show what I got

>>32917537

I decided not to go too far down that rabbit hole past understanding the characteristics of common blade steels based on their composition and how they perform for me.

Most of the time when I'm introduced to a new steel it's through a spyderco, so I've got a great wealth of information available to me on the forums and youtube. Otherwise my most common buys are in s35vn or m390 these days, both of which I'm can sharpen comfortably.

>>32916734
this is exactly what i experienced with s35 on a lansky diamond system
and s30
spot on
gummy is actually a decent discriptor

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I'm looking for a general purpose fixed blade for camping and hunting. Currently looking at
http://www.buckknives.com/product/102-buck-woodsman-knife/0102FAM01/
should i buy it? its about 50 buckaroos on amazon

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>>32917712
Ahh the 102, a classic. It's almost a tradition in my family. My great gradfather had one on his work desk as a letter opener, so does my grandfather, and my uncle, and his male children. I actually don't own one, I have a 105.

It's a fine knife for general use, but the idea of "camping knife" has changed. Modern woods knives tend to be much more robust.

I highly recommend getting a Becker or Ontario, if you every want to try some more abusive stuff.

But honestly the 102 is a good starting knife, that or a Mora. You may also consider going a little larger, like the for mentioned 105.

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>>32917818
Here's a close up of how I want to finish that slicer with Red vulcanized fiber

>>32916734

That's really interesting, I usually don't notice the difference between such comparatively similar steels when I sharpen freehand, but my stones also tend to ignore a 1% difference in vanadium content. For instance I can't really tell the difference between M4 (~4% vanadium) and HAP40 (~3% vanadium) by feel.

As for white and blue paper steels, they (excepting SuperBlue) are fairly pure carbon steels. Shirogami is similar to 1095, and Aogami is only slightly more alloyed.

Aogami Super is more like a Japanese 52100.

>>32917537
That's probably because I also post on Cliff's forum. He is the one who popularized Landes' work on apex stability, after all.

>>32916412
>it is impractically difficult to take any of the lower carbon 10XX steels to full martensite hardness
critical temperature is critical temperature. how is having a lower carbon content preventing conversion?

>3% and 4% vanadium
that's not the difference between S30 and S35. you're also not going to sharpen either on Arkansas stones.

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>>32890967
Does anyone have machinist's drawings for an m9 bayonet?
If anyone owns a quality m9 could they measure it as best as possible for me?
Also if anyone has an m9 and you can take a good clear photo of the m9 on graph paper with a ruler all lined up that could help me.
Thank you.

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>>32917712
102 is a nice hunting knife choice, especially if you like a smaller knife than a 119.

Mora is good for general woods work for sure.

>>32917876
I have no experience with HAP40 as of yet. I've not seen any knives of it that have caught my eye nor have I got in any from customers. So you consider it similar to M4 in general? How about with ZPD-189, because that and M4 tend to be the most time consuming to get right when sharpening for me.

Small world I guess. I've kind of been out of the BladeForum/CliftStamp/YouTube knife scene for a while now, been more into swords and just busy with work and school.

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>>32918032
Man I'm not a fan of the newer buck sheaths. I like the older style. I forget what year this 105 (pic related) is, but I think it is early 90's... I'll have to look at the stamp again.

>>32914330
Just remembered I do have one a bit thinner. This Puukko is from the 70's or 80's if I recall right. the bevel is just about ~.011 and it's like ~.035 a 1/4 up. I think I put a 15DPS on it, but after a little carving, I think the steel is not good enough to hold that well, I may micro bevel at 19ish or reset it at 17.5 ish. (pic related)

>>32917922

I just did a little more looking into it, and it appears that 1095 tends to be preferred for the cementite created in addition to the martensite, not for making it easier to hit full martensite hardness. I never realized that until just now. Now if someone out there would start actually making custom fixed blades in 1095 at ~67 HRC with full grain size minimization techniques used, I would be a very happy man.

As for s30v and s35vn, the only meaningful difference I can see in comparing their compositions is the ~1% difference in vanadium content: http://zknives.com/knives/steels/steelgraph.php?nm=S30V%2Cs35vn&ni=3044,&sz=3&hrn=1&gm=0

>>32918046

I follow Cliff's forum still, and occasionally get into discussions on BF or the Spyderco forum, but I also like lurking these thread and helping out where I can. It's nice not to have to deal with the Internet Vanadium Defense Force once in a while.

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>>32918171
I haven't tried the older style. I'd prefer a drop in like my condor.

>>32917712
https://www.amazon.com/KA-BAR-Marine-Corps-Fighting-Straight/dp/B001H53Q6M/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1486525622&sr=1-1&keywords=ka-bar

how about between this and the buck 102?

>>32918927
Well both are pretty much as classic as American fixed blades get.

The USMC (Kabar) is a larger knife... But really they both fill the same functional roll given their tang (how the blade goes into the handle) and handle design. I would go with the KaBar though just because it's larger, and my preferred size.

I would recomnd something more like the Schrade SCHF42 or the Becker BK-17/Bk-15.

I have the 15, pic related is the tan handle one >>32895224

>>32918214
>1095 tends to be preferred for the cementite created
cementite is basically a simple carbide. it's going to help wear resistance, but still negatively affects edge stability (which is where I think this discussion started).

>now if someone out there would start actually making custom fixed blades in 1095 at ~67 HRC with full grain size minimization techniques used, I would be a very happy man
you don't need to go over .8% carbon to get that. you can get that with just martensite. again, all you're doing by going higher in carbon is trading stability for wear resistance. depending on intended use, that's not necessarily a bad thing, but needs to be taken into consideration.

>>32907559
take a look into Stan Willson's knives.

prepare to sell your first born child for one tho

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>>32919714
forgot to include pic

>>32891015
I want one of these in my life.

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>>32919746
Reminds me of Rainy Valloton's work

>>32915044
>I don't know of any somewhat popular manufactures that make super thin geometry knives.
Ka-Bar Dozier. AUS-8 and only $15

>>32920386
S.W. is best. every design aspect is perfectly continuous. look how the blade design matches perfectly with the handle, also has an 'invisible' button release. I believe this is a $6,000 knife.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCW0TDikags

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>>32920415
I've never personally handled a Dozier, but to me it looks like an average edge thickness, no thinner than something like a Kershaw Skyline, probably around ~.025 to ~.030 behind the edge.... We are talking like purpose built slicers, around or bellow ~.015

>>32917352
i go camping a lot, so I came to look for knives that could help me. didn't find much help tho, mostly collectors i think. just get tops, mora, bark river or fallkniven

>>32920628
How exactly do you measure edge thickness? Just the width right where the bevel starts?

I just measured my Lionsteel TRE, which is quite a good slicer, and it's around .0165.

>>32917712
>>32918927
just get the Kansbol. it's an amazing forest tool and cheap

https://www.knifecenter.com/item/FT12634/morakniv-kansbol-utility-knife-fixed-12c27-blade-od-green-tpe-handle-polypropylene-sheath

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Grew up slicing deer and doing general stuff with Gerber knives. In light of their quality going downhill, what's a decent EDC/folding knife on a ~$100 budget?

I've messed with a few Benchmade griptillians, seen them survive some substantial abuse on the trail and in the field. Should I be looking elsewhere or is that a good buy at $100?

>>32919646

Yes, I understand now that cementite formation is not necessary but I would think the trade-off in apex stability would be so low that I don't see much downside to benefiting from the greater wear resistance the cementite would give.

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>>32922013
I'm not a huge knife fag but the Griptillian is about the best bang for buck I've ever seen in a general use folding blade. Just picked up my second one after giving my old one to a friend.

>>32917617
I understand the majority of people don't have their own property or live in an area with interesting woods but you could always just go to a lumber yard and pick up some boards of various shit.

I'd pay $30, yeah, that's $10 more than a mora companion but it's custom made so why not.

>>32922465
eh its about $20 or $30 too much to be the best bang for buck

>>32922465
Yeah for band for the buck, the Spyderco Manix 2, I don't know if it is still at the $80, and the Cold Steel Code4

>>32923308
what're you getting with a $100 spyderco that you can't get with a knife half the price
>inb4 muh steel

>>32922013
if you want a field knife, i'd recommend against the griptillian, it's more utilitarian, won't last long in the field

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>>32922013
honestly something from Cold Steel in CTSXHP with a triad lock

>>32923334
In the case of the manix 2
S30 v ( decent steel)
Good ergonomics
Ambidextrous yet very strong lock
Waruntee from Spyderco
Some complain but I haven't ever had issues

>>32918017
please help me friend

>>32894031
+1 for rat 1 ,pried frozen 2x4s apart with it.

post #300 niggas

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This thread has lasted surprisingly long... Picture 100

>>32925435
And of course, it's upside down

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>>32925444
lmao, hey namefag how the fuck are ya?

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>>32891190
>All these safe queens, do these knives ever see use?

Yes. Yes they do. This southard has been my primary for the last few months and its performed very well. Just becaus cts-204p doesn't show as much wear as aus-8 doesn't mean people don use these knives.

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>>32925448
Actually feeling pretty sick... My stomach apparently did not like last nights dinner that much and has been throwing a hisy fit all day... I had to miss two classes... and I feel bad cause my GF's gaming PC is at my house and I'm to sick to drop it off at her place... but she insists I don't worry about it.

But enough of personal info... that Condor has a beautiful edge, you know the source of it?

>>32894890
I would buy.

>>32926129

just a random image i saved, its nice isn't it?
it looks like it needs stropping but still

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Doug Ritter Mini Griptillian in M390

>>32927358
>buying mini anything
SHIGGITTY DOO