I'm looking to find some vintage load data on the .32 auto/

>>32830075
Jesus Christ, 20gr. of Titegroup in .32 Auto? .45 ACP recipes use the same powder in the 4-5 range. You're gonna not have a fun time

>>32830193
That's what it called for... wait, sorry I mean 2 grains. Im stupid. I forgot the . in between

>>32830230
Oh. In that case, I know nothing about vintage .32 Auto loads. Just was trying to stop someone from blowing their hands off

>>32830290
Thanks man. I'm new to reloading, and have been doing starting loads. I have my antique 1903 that I'd like to shoot but I want to make sure I put in time-accurate charges to prevent damage

>>32830075
.32 is a pretty anemic load and manufacturers have kept that constant so that people don't blow up their vintage guns. Just stay away from Fiocci or any riced up self defense bullets. Leigh Screwdriver bullets are low pressure though.

My 1903 won't function on anything less than Fiocchi.

Now Aguila- that's another story. When I was shooting it with Aguila it was bang..BANG. BANG!!.....bang. That stuff was all over the place.

>>32830343
This is what I've been using, cheap and vanilla http://www.midwayusa.com/product/1601182297/remington-bullets-32-acp-311-diameter-71-grain-full-metal-jacket

>>32830075
Can't help you with vintage loads. Lyman 49th ed puts your min/max loads for 60gr and 71gr jacketed bullets of 2.0-2.3gr of Titegroup.

>>32830401
That's one of the reason I started reloading. I don't trust the cheap ammunition my father and I buy for it and I wanted to insure each cartridge is of proper specs

>>32830075

The '03 Pockets were also made as .380acp, and all they did was bore out the barrel and change mags, so the gun CAN handle hot loads in .32

>>32830326
Come to think of it, I would start at the very low end of what you can find in any of your manuals, then increase until you find the lowest charge that cycles your pistol. Be careful, because Titegroup doesn't take a lot of powder at all, meaning a low case fill density, so case detonations are not a far way away.

>>32830495
case detonations, you mean the case itself exploding?

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>>32830530
Basically, if a case has a low fill density, the round can just explode instead of having the correct pressure curve. Never really looked into why, but I have experience it, and it wasn't fun

>>32830571
And this is a random occurance? What powder would you recommend? We got titegroup because the three manuals I own all said that it was acceptable and we didn't have to pay a hazmat fee since it was local.

>>32830075
Huh, is the 03 what the Tokarev was designed after?

Is the Tok closer to a 1911 or a 1903? Anyone have any knowledge on this?

>>32830600
No it's not random. It happens sometimes when a load is metered way too low. I was being a dipshit and loaded half loads of red dot in 45 because my scale wasn't zeroed properly and i didn't notice. One blew up, but i was luck my and it didn't cause damage to anything.

If you stick to what manuals say, you'll be fine, just don't underload. I would imagine Titegroup is more prone to it because its real fast burning and doesn't require a lot of powder already and powder generally doesn't meter well at very low weights (depending on your powder throw). Just be careful and smart and youll be fine

>>32830644
Yeah, I found the importance of not underloading thanks to my powder feeder jamming on me. One of the cartridges got a real low amount of powder and caused the bullet to stop right after the chamber. Luckily the case and gun are completely find and a rod and hammer got the bullet out, but now I personally observe how much powder is in each cartridge and measure every 3-5 rounds. So basically 2 grains is fine, just be careful to make sure it's that level?

>>32830643
Not really sure, the tokarev is a much larger handgun, and has a hammer along with a completely different guide rod. I think the general shape is what gets people

>>32830725
2 grains is fine if that's what your manual says you can do. I just don't want to make a blanket statement because I can't verify it myself

>>32830750
Ah, I see. So it's probably more akin to the 1911. Neat-O.

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>>32830756
Yeah, if this thread is still alive tomorrow I'll post the pictures of the specs of the three different manuals and what they say.

In the meantime this thread may be used as Reloading General. I don't see enough of these on /K/. Feel free to post reloading stuff

>>32830833
Forgot to mention, if this thread does get archived. I'll start another one labelled Reloading General with the same picture of the 1903

>>32830833
Cool, I'll be looking for it. I have like 8 manuals or so, just none with me because they're all at home and im in college right now otherwise I'd go check them. But i hope it works out for you.

>>32830643

It closest to an FN 1903

>>32830750
>has a hammer
So does the 1903.

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>>32830075
Before I get into details it's worth noting that .32 Browning and .32 Colt Automatic were separate loadings initially and until about 1907.

The .32 Browning appeared in late 1899 with a plain lead bullet and a powder charges of 2 1/2 grains of Walsrode Gray shotgun powder. This switched to jacketed and soft point 71gr bullets and the charge was bumped up to 3grs in 1901. In late 1902 the charge went back down to 2.5gr and finally in 1905 it was changed to 2.3gr of Bullseye.

The earliest load data I have for .32 Colt Auto is from early 1903 and calls for a 71gr bullet - either jacketed or soft point - with the same 2.5gr charge of Walsrode Gray. By mid-1903 it was changed to 4.2gr of Walsrode Green. Very shortly after this it was changed to Bullseye powder, but the notes I have don't specify the powder charge. At least 2.3gr but later comparative data between the .32 Colt and .32 Browning indicate the Colt cartridge was loaded a bit hotter.

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>>32830643
As mentioned here-
>>32830983
the Tokarev is closer in outward design to the FN 1903. Here is a photo of my Polish Tokarev with a Swedish m/07 and Colt 1903.

The Husqvarana m/07 was a Swedish license-made copy of the FN 1903.

>>32830419
The mag well in the 1908 pocket automatic is larger than the 1903 pocket automatic.

Anybody have a line on replacement barrels in .32?

>>32830643
The FN 1903 was an extremely popular pistol in Russia so they wanted to replicate its general looks in the Tokarev. Internally, it is a slightly simplified 1911 because 7.62x25 is inappropriate for direct blowback.

>>32831011
I mean in how it's an enclosed hammer. The name of it is 1903 pocket hammerless after all

Iiii'm back. Going over to the shop to take pictures shortly.

>>32835615
Well?

>>32831351
Gotcha, sempai.

https://www.gunpartscorp.com/Manufacturers/Colt-33188/AutoPistols-35748/1903PocketHammerless-43575.htm

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>>32837745
Sorry, had an interview. I'm back, here's a general picture of the setup. It's a bit messy but I can still work and locate everything

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>>32838262
Here's the main book I'm using and load data, it was the default that came with the reloader

>>32830571
I think the light load detonation issue is because you're exposing too much surface area to the primer flash. In a fuller case, the flame front is going to propagate outward from the primer pocket at the burn rate of the powder. In other words, it starts small, ramps up to max burn/pressure, then drops off sharply as available volume increases along with unburnt powder decreasing.

In a light load, the surface of the charge is below the primer pocket. The flash ignites the entire charge surface from the outset. There's no ramping up of heat/pressure until the bullet unseats, there's just max instant pressure. This might be enough to cause a chamber failure before the bullet has a chance to unseat and get moving.

That's my thought, anyhow.

>>32838331
What's that on the opposite page, Tokarev or .30 mauser?

>>32838262
>that pencil

That a Ticonderoga #2?

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>>32838391
it's .30 Luger
>>32838402
Nope, vintage Dixon #2

Here's the other manual and its stats

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>>32838451

My next two cartridges I'm going to attempt are .32 S&W for an 1898 hand ejector 3rd model and 6.5X50 for a war relic arisaka BTW

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>>32831119

>FN 1903.

I really want one of these. I've seen one or two online in OK condition for around $900-$1000.

As I understand it the FN 1903 is basically a longer version of the Colt 1903. I wonder how the clones stack up with the original.

>>32840411
They are exactly the same only bigger, they aren't "clones" browning sold the us rights to his guns to colt and the euro ones to FN. Most old colts have a FN version.

The TT33 is literally a 1911 (with a couple ease of manufactureing changes) on the inside and a 1903 on the outside

>>32838357
I think that makes a lot of sense.

>>32838331
I would just start at the low end and if that doesn't cycle, move up until it does. But if it does work reliably, just keep it there.

>>32840755
It's been working perfectly fine at 2 grains so far. My AP-MBP is cycling them better than it has in a long time

>>32840558
>they aren't "clones" browning sold the us rights to his guns to colt and the euro ones to FN. Most old colts have a FN version.

Yeah I should have been more clear on my post. I was wondering how the Swedish clones compared to the FN/Colt originals.

>>32840776
Then just stick with 2 gr, I wouldn't go lower though

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>>32841051
Alright good, I just wanted confirmation on that, Along with this, I've been having a bit of trouble understanding how to use my scale. There a part that measures the fractions of grains (.1 and so on) and I can't find how to properly read it

>>32841142
Can't help you there, I use an old hornady balance